i think i am the opposite irt. i wanna fuck black girls more than white girl

(06-23-2014 01:33 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  As I pointed out in my above post, dark skinned Indian dudes from the Carribean do just fine. As do the dark looking Sri Lankan surfer rastas. There's definitely a niche for cool dark skinned islander dudes with swag......... My advice to IRT is live in South Florida and befriend Carribean Indian dudes. Those guys are a world apart from the IT nerds of America and obnoxious Paki/Punjabis of Canada/UK.

I know a lot of UK Punjabi guys who are married to white women. It’s not seen as a big deal over there.

I don’t think non-Indian women intrinsically hate Indian skin tones. I think the issue is assimilation and acting more “western”. I bet if we fast forward 20-30 years then the next generation of Indian guys (US born) will not have the same issues as FOBs. Indians have been in UK for 3 generations now, so the culture is different. They’re pretty mainstream.

FYI The word “Paki” is a racist term in UK. It’s considered as bad as the N word in the US.

(06-23-2014 05:39 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 01:33 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  As I pointed out in my above post, dark skinned Indian dudes from the Carribean do just fine. As do the dark looking Sri Lankan surfer rastas. There's definitely a niche for cool dark skinned islander dudes with swag......... My advice to IRT is live in South Florida and befriend Carribean Indian dudes. Those guys are a world apart from the IT nerds of America and obnoxious Paki/Punjabis of Canada/UK.

I know a lot of UK Punjabi guys who are married to white women. It’s not seen as a big deal over there.

I don’t think non-Indian women intrinsically hate Indian skin tones. I think the issue is assimilation and acting more “western”. I bet if we fast forward 20-30 years then the next generation of Indian guys (US born) will not have the same issues as FOBs. Indians have been in UK for 3 generations now, so the culture is different. They’re pretty mainstream.

FYI The word “Paki” is a racist term in UK. It’s considered as bad as the N word in the US.

I remember the first time I went to Europe in 2001. I landed in Heathrow and took the tub to Central London. I remember looking around on the train wondering where were the English people? The whole train was like Indians and Pakistanis. Kind of like the way the subway in L.A. is almost all Mexicans.

^Yeah, most Indians outside of America are blue-collar. The US has strict (legal) immigration so its almost exclusively H-1B software guys with technical degrees or rich kids whose parents could afford to send them to American Universities you find in the US.

In Canada and the UK, you'll find Indian mechanics (no offence El Mech), plumbers, carpenters, etc because Indians there get all their relatives over. Even in the UK and Canada, its mostly blue-collar Indians who date outside their race. Maybe because the Indian educational system makes you beta?

(06-23-2014 06:21 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I remember the first time I went to Europe in 2001. I landed in Heathrow and took the tub to Central London. I remember looking around on the train wondering where were the English people? The whole train was like Indians and Pakistanis. Kind of like the way the subway in L.A. is almost all Mexicans.

The Indians settled into an areas like Southall, Hayes & Slough (which is the setting for the UK version of The Office), which are near Heathrow airport. There is a lot of noise pollution from aircraft in the area, so houses there were cheap there years ago. Also there were a lot of factories close by so there was a lot of work in the area.

There’s a couple of areas in UK which were previously shitholes with cheap housing, which were regenerated when the Indian community moved in.

(06-23-2014 05:39 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  I don’t think non-Indian women intrinsically hate Indian skin tones. I think the issue is assimilation and acting more “western”. I bet if we fast forward 20-30 years then the next generation of Indian guys (US born) will not have the same issues as FOBs. Indians have been in UK for 3 generations now, so the culture is different. They’re pretty mainstream.

Pretty much this. FOB dudes will always have their issues and will blame race for the lack of their success with women (white or not), but as people (Indians) assimilate more and become more "mainstream" they will have a relatively easier time with women (again not just white, but all races), the culture evolves as you said, and they become more Westernized.

A female friend of mine saw this photo on the cover of a WSJ magazine and said “who’s that Indian guy”. This guy is not Indian – he’s Neymar, and Brazilian, but an Indian guy could copy his look and try to get pussy.

Does anybody think Neymar thinks about his skin tone when it comes to women?

(06-23-2014 05:39 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 01:33 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  As I pointed out in my above post, dark skinned Indian dudes from the Carribean do just fine. As do the dark looking Sri Lankan surfer rastas. There's definitely a niche for cool dark skinned islander dudes with swag......... My advice to IRT is live in South Florida and befriend Carribean Indian dudes. Those guys are a world apart from the IT nerds of America and obnoxious Paki/Punjabis of Canada/UK.

I know a lot of UK Punjabi guys who are married to white women. It’s not seen as a big deal over there.

I don’t think non-Indian women intrinsically hate Indian skin tones. I think the issue is assimilation and acting more “western”. I bet if we fast forward 20-30 years then the next generation of Indian guys (US born) will not have the same issues as FOBs. Indians have been in UK for 3 generations now, so the culture is different. They’re pretty mainstream.

FYI The word “Paki” is a racist term in UK. It’s considered as bad as the N word in the US.

The 2002-2007 UK Labor Force Survey found that (of married/cohabiting respondents) 19.5% of 1.5/2nd generation British-Indian men intermarried/cohabited with another ethnicity. For women, the figure was 20.2%. For Pakistanis, the respective figures were 10.5% for men and 3.4% for women.

In America, the Census reports that the marriage figures are 23.1% for Indian-American men and 29.4% for Indian-American women. These figures are also for 1.5/2nd generation men and women of Indian descent.

It appears that the figures are pretty similar for the UK and the US. So I don't agree that the blue collar Punjabi guys are succeeding more than the more IT/South Indian dominated Indian-American population. Statistics don't show that.

By the way, there's a 0.56 standard deviation gap between White-English and South Asian-English men in the probability of having a chlamydia infection. This data was taken from a very large scale sample of British youth in the 15-24 age range. Data is scarce for British East Asians (ie Orientals), but it appears their chlamydia positivity rates are only slightly below White-English men. Afro-Carribean men were 0.38 standard deviations more likely to have chlamydia than White English men.

In America, the respective gap between White Americans and East Asian Americans appears to be 0.23 standard deviations.

The significance to these data would be that chlamydia rates are highly correlated to the number of sexual partners. These gaps indicate a significant difference in partner accrual among the ethnicities.

A 2000 sexual survey (NATSAL) found that young South Asian-British men had a lifetime STI/STD infection rate much lower than that of young White-British men - approximately 0.6 standard deviations. However, White-British men with 1 lifetime partner had a similar infection rate as the South Asian respondents.

Interestingly, the gap in STI/STD infection rates between South Asian-British women and White-British women was smaller than between the men of the same respective ethnicities. The chlamydia infection rate gap was also smaller.

In America, there is a similar, but stronger, trend among East Asian women and men. This reflects the greater tendency of East Asian-American women to form sexual partnerships outside their ethnicity, in comparison East Asian-American men.

It's possible that a similar trend might be at work among British South Asian youth. The South Asian-British women may be more likely to have interracial sexual unions than the men.

TLDR Summary of above post:

-2nd generation Indian guys in America marry other races at a slightly higher rate than 2nd generation Indians in the UK.
-2nd generation Indian girls in the UK and, more especially, the US are more likely to racially intermarry than the guys.
-Health STI statistics indicate that Indian/Pakistani guys in the UK are getting a lot less pussy action than UK white and black guys.
-Black guys get the most action in the UK and US.
-East Asian guys in the UK and US get less action than white/black guys, but Indian/Pakistani men get the least women.
-Indian/Pakistani women and, much more especially, East Asian women have more interracial sex than their guys.

(06-23-2014 06:42 PM)xpatplayer Wrote:  ^Yeah, most Indians outside of America are blue-collar. The US has strict (legal) immigration so its almost exclusively H-1B software guys with technical degrees or rich kids whose parents could afford to send them to American Universities you find in the US.

In Canada and the UK, you'll find Indian mechanics (no offence El Mech), plumbers, carpenters, etc because Indians there get all their relatives over. Even in the UK and Canada, its mostly blue-collar Indians who date outside their race. Maybe because the Indian educational system makes you beta?

A lot of the blue collar Indian guys in Canada and the UK send their kids to universities.

You're not completely correct about interracial mixing. The interracial mixing rates are higher for Indian-American guys than British Indian guys.

From my experience in America, it's actually the blue collar Indian kids who are less likely to interracially date. The white collar Indian kids go to the college and are more likely to mix with white or Asian girls.

^^^

Thanks for the analysis, but you can’t compare the US and UK in this instance – the cultures are very different, especially when it comes to interracial dating. The types of Indian in both countries are different too- as well being from different part of India there are different generations and different levels of assimilation.

BTW only approximately half of the UK Indian guys are Punjabi...

(06-23-2014 07:52 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  ^^^

Thanks for the analysis, but you can’t compare the US and UK in this instance – the cultures are very different, especially when it comes to interracial dating. The types of Indian in both countries are different too- as well being from different part of India there are different levels of assimilation.

BTW only approximately half of the UK Indian guys are Punjabi, the rest are not.

Fair point. British-Indians of Punjabi descent are only 40-50% of the British-Indian population. However, only 11% of Indian-Americans are of Punjabi descent.

So if you're correct that the Punjabis are more successful at interracial marrying, we'd expect much higher intermarriage rates for British-Indians than Indian-Americans. Instead, Indian-Americans have slightly higher intermarriage rates. Which indicates that having a large Punjabi population really doesn't make British-Indians much different than Indian-Americans.

I was doing research on athletic achievement among British South Asians and I found that they tend to be exceptionally underrepresented in soccer/football and other sports. British of Afro-Carribean descent are highly overrepresented. For example, British South Asian men are 10-11x less likely to make it to professional football/soccer, in comparison to British whites. Black men are 10-11x more likely to make it into professional soccer/football than whites. So the athleticism gap between blacks-whites is similar to the white-South Asian gap.

In America, we see the same pattern in athletic achievement, with blacks excelling and Indians being highly underrepresented.

So are the Punjabis really that different? Are they significantly better at sports and interracial marriage? That stats don't show that. I'm not saying slight differences don't exist, especially in sports, but there don't appear to be huge differences.

By the way, the majority of British-Pakistanis are Punjabis. So if Punjabi guys were alpha with sports and women, the stats (marriage, sports, STI/STD) would reflect that..... The stats do show a very high rate of alpha behavior among British blacks, which is what we would expect. British blacks are alpha like American blacks. British South Asians are, in general, not much different from Indian-Americans.

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That's what I was referring to. Islander swag.

(06-23-2014 08:06 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  Fair point. British-Indians of Punjabi descent are only 40-50% of the British-Indian population. However, only 11% of Indian-Americans are of Punjabi descent.

So if you're correct that the Punjabis are more successful at interracial marrying, we'd expect much higher intermarriage rates for British-Indians than Indian-Americans. Instead, Indian-Americans have slightly higher intermarriage rates. Which indicates that having a large Punjabi population really doesn't make British-Indians much different than Indian-Americans.

I was doing research on athletic achievement among British South Asians and I found that they tend to be exceptionally underrepresented in soccer/football and other sports. British of Afro-Carribean descent are highly overrepresented. For example, British South Asian men are 10-11x less likely to make it to professional football/soccer, in comparison to British whites. Black men are 10-11x more likely to make it into professional soccer/football than whites. So the athleticism gap between blacks-whites is similar to the white-South Asian gap.

In America, we see the same pattern in athletic achievement, with blacks excelling and Indians being highly underrepresented.

So are the Punjabis really that different? Are they significantly better at sports and interracial marriage? That stats don't show that. I'm not saying slight differences don't exist, especially in sports, but there don't appear to be huge differences.

By the way, the majority of British-Pakistanis are Punjabis. So if Punjabi guys were alpha with sports and women, the stats (marriage, sports, STI/STD) would reflect that..... The stats do show a very high rate of alpha behavior among British blacks, which is what we would expect. British blacks are alpha like American blacks. British South Asians are, in general, not much different from Indian-Americans.

As I mentioned before, it’s a generational thing too.. so you can’t really use the stats to compare. The issue is FOB nerdy Indian vs assimilated Indian and their level of comfort with western culture.

e.g. FOB nerdy Indian - arrives in the US, and has never been near any race of woman. How does he react when he sees white women? He goes crazy! He comes across as needy and aggressive and scares them off. These guys have no game and get frustrated & are the IRTs. There's also US born guys who are raised as nerds by their parents and have the same issues.

e.g. UK/US/Canada born and raised Indian guy, who grew up around white and other races of women and doesn’t see them as a big deal. He’ll be a lot more chilled with women of all races and has probably banged a few by his mid 20s.

I have no idea why you are bringing sports into this - a lot of South Asian families do not push their kids into sport because they think it’s better to make money as a professional. The most popular sport in south Asia is cricket, so there have been south Asian kids pushed into cricket and some have done well - one of the England cricket captains (Nasser Hussain) was born in India!

BTW The majority of British Pakistanis are not Punjabi, they are Mirpuri (Kashmiri).

(06-24-2014 09:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 08:06 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  Fair point. British-Indians of Punjabi descent are only 40-50% of the British-Indian population. However, only 11% of Indian-Americans are of Punjabi descent.

So if you're correct that the Punjabis are more successful at interracial marrying, we'd expect much higher intermarriage rates for British-Indians than Indian-Americans. Instead, Indian-Americans have slightly higher intermarriage rates. Which indicates that having a large Punjabi population really doesn't make British-Indians much different than Indian-Americans.

I was doing research on athletic achievement among British South Asians and I found that they tend to be exceptionally underrepresented in soccer/football and other sports. British of Afro-Carribean descent are highly overrepresented. For example, British South Asian men are 10-11x less likely to make it to professional football/soccer, in comparison to British whites. Black men are 10-11x more likely to make it into professional soccer/football than whites. So the athleticism gap between blacks-whites is similar to the white-South Asian gap.

In America, we see the same pattern in athletic achievement, with blacks excelling and Indians being highly underrepresented.

So are the Punjabis really that different? Are they significantly better at sports and interracial marriage? That stats don't show that. I'm not saying slight differences don't exist, especially in sports, but there don't appear to be huge differences.

By the way, the majority of British-Pakistanis are Punjabis. So if Punjabi guys were alpha with sports and women, the stats (marriage, sports, STI/STD) would reflect that..... The stats do show a very high rate of alpha behavior among British blacks, which is what we would expect. British blacks are alpha like American blacks. British South Asians are, in general, not much different from Indian-Americans.

As I mentioned before, it’s a generational thing too.. so you can’t really use the stats to compare. The issue is FOB nerdy Indian vs assimilated Indian and their level of comfort with western culture.

e.g. FOB nerdy Indian - arrives in the US, and has never been near any race of woman. How does he react when he sees white women? He goes crazy! He comes across as needy and aggressive and scares them off. These guys have no game and get frustrated & are the IRTs. There's also US born guys who are raised as nerds by their parents and have the same issues.

e.g. UK/US/Canada born and raised Indian guy, who grew up around white and other races of women and doesn’t see them as a big deal. He’ll be a lot more chilled with women of all races and has probably banged a few by his mid 20s.

I have no idea why you are bringing sports into this - a lot of South Asian families do not push their kids into sport because they think it’s better to make money as a professional. The most popular sport in south Asia is cricket, so there have been south Asian kids pushed into cricket and some have done well - one of the England cricket captains (Nasser Hussain) was born in India!

BTW The majority of British Pakistanis are not Punjabi, they are Mirpuri (Kashmiri).

I agree that Indian guys who are born and raised in a Western environment do way better than FOBs. Indian intermarriage rates increase significantly from the first to second generation in both the US and UK. Which is why (in my above post) I used intermarriage stats for 1.5/2nd generation British-Indians vs 1.5/2nd generation Indian-Americans. I excluded the 1st generation FOBs from my analysis.

The same is even more true for Chinese men. Their intermarriage rates both in the US and UK skyrocket from 1st to 1.5/2nd generation. When people note that Chinese women interracially mix at much higher rates than Chinese men, they often don't realize the gap closes quite a bit in subsequent generations. For Indian and especially Chinese men, growing up in a Western environment boosts their game a lot.

In both the UK and the US, 1.5/2nd generation Chinese men actually intermarry with white women at higher rates than Indian men. I was surprised to find that out.

I brought up sports stats not to insult anyone, but because sports success often opens doors to getting dates. My point was that a lack of participation of British Indian/Pak men in soccer/football probably has a detrimental effect on their success with women, while the strong performance of Afro-Carribean British men in in soccer increases their success rate with women. This is definitely noticeable among black and Indian populations in America.....

Of course there are good Indian/Pak athletes too. Amir Khan is the Britain's top boxer and gets lots of poon. Back in the 1990s, this cricketer Imran Khan married Jemima GOldsmith. A guy of any race can use sports to his advantage. At my high school, I knew Chinese and Korean dudes who played sports and dated hot white girls.

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(06-25-2014 02:55 AM)Saladin Wrote:  IRT: THE MOVIE

"Once you go brown, you'll never frown"

OMG I had one at the gym last night here in the UK.

He really freaked me out despite being half my size and spending the whole time I was there doing about a million bicep curls (only) with tiny weights.

I'm not sure this would have happened (me being freaked out and thinking "IRT IRT IRT") before I read this thread hahahaha

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15811458

Read this about Indians/Pakistanis in the UK.

Quote:We noted striking variations in number of sexual partnerships by ethnic group and between men and women. Reported numbers of sexual partnerships in a lifetime were highest in black Caribbean (median 9 [IQR 4-20]) and black African (9 [3-20]) men, and in white (5 [2-9]) and black Caribbean (4 [2-7]) women. Indian and Pakistani men and women reported fewer sexual partnerships, later first intercourse, and substantially lower prevalence of diagnosed STIs than did other groups. We recorded a significant association between ethnic origin and reported STIs in the past 5 years with increased risk in sexually active black Caribbean (OR 2.74 [95% CI 1.22-6.15]) and black African (2.95 [1.45-5.99]) men compared with white men, and black Caribbean (2.41 [1.35-4.28]) women compared with white women. Odds ratios changed little after controlling for age, number of sexual partnerships, homosexual and overseas partnerships, and condom use at last sexual intercourse.

Quote:
White women in Britain have more sexual partners than females from the other main ethnic groups but black men have an average of 50 per cent more lovers than white males, according to new research.


A survey of more than 11,000 adults aged between 16 and 44, published today in The Lancet, reveals that white women claim to have had an average of five sexual partners, black Caribbeans four, black Africans three, and both Indians and Pakistanis one.


Among men, those of black Caribbean and African descent both average nine lovers in their lifetime, followed by whites with six, Indians two and Pakistanis one.


Dr Kevin Fenton of University College London, the study's lead author, says this was the first research among the general population. Previous studies of sexual behaviour and health have been based on data gathered at genito-urinary clinics, raising fears over how far the findings could be generalised.


In analysing the results, the researchers took steps to prevent the data being skewed by a small number of individuals claiming large numbers of partners.


They find that higher proportions of black men admitted to having had sexually transmitted infections (STIs), and that black Caribbean men reported an average age of first sexual intercourse of 15 - two years lower than any other ethnic group of either sex.

Dr Fenton says that this could contribute to the higher incidence of sexual health problems among the black population in Britain, especially given that black Caribbeans tend to be younger and more often single than the rest of the population.

He also points out the role of cultural norms regarding issues such as multiple partners and the age of losing one's virginity, with the substantially older age of first intercourse and lower number of partners among Indians and Pakistanis coinciding with low STI rates.

When men were asked about whether they had ever been diagnosed with a STI, 10.9 per cent of whites, 19.7 cent of black Caribbeans and 16.2 per cent of black Africans said they had. The figures for Indian and Pakistani males were 3.4 and 3.2 per cent.

Despite claiming to have had fewer partners, black women report more STIs, with 22.7 per cent of those of Caribbean descent and 14.1 per cent of those of African descent admitting to at least one. The proportions among whites, Indians and Pakistanis are 12.4, 7.8 and 3.6 per cent respectively.

Dr Fenton warns that this could mean white women are less likely to report sexual health problems than blacks.

The average male age for loss of virginity is 15 for black Caribbeans, 17 for whites and black Africans and 20 for Indians and Pakistanis.

Among women it is 17 for whites and black Caribbeans, 18 for black Africans, 21 for Indians and 22 for Pakistanis.

Interestingly, the overall median claimed number of sexual partners is six for men but only four for women.

The researchers put this down to men exaggerating and women downplaying their sexual history.

Dr Fenton concludes: "While trends may change over time, one thing that doesn't seem to change in surveys of sexual behaviour is that men will over-report and women will under-report."

^^^^^
There’s a strong shame culture in south Asian cultures so I would take any survey with a pinch of salt. I personally know lot of UK Indian guys who were banging girls when they were 15/16. I know one guy who was banging an 18 year white girl when he was 14. When he was 16 he had a kid with a white girl the same age. That’s nothing out of the ordinary.

(06-25-2014 01:42 AM)Fighting888 Wrote:  I agree that Indian guys who are born and raised in a Western environment do way better than FOBs. Indian intermarriage rates increase significantly from the first to second generation in both the US and UK. Which is why (in my above post) I used intermarriage stats for 1.5/2nd generation British-Indians vs 1.5/2nd generation Indian-Americans. I excluded the 1st generation FOBs from my analysis.

The same is even more true for Chinese men. Their intermarriage rates both in the US and UK skyrocket from 1st to 1.5/2nd generation. When people note that Chinese women interracially mix at much higher rates than Chinese men, they often don't realize the gap closes quite a bit in subsequent generations. For Indian and especially Chinese men, growing up in a Western environment boosts their game a lot.

In both the UK and the US, 1.5/2nd generation Chinese men actually intermarry with white women at higher rates than Indian men. I was surprised to find that out.

I brought up sports stats not to insult anyone, but because sports success often opens doors to getting dates. My point was that a lack of participation of British Indian/Pak men in soccer/football probably has a detrimental effect on their success with women, while the strong performance of Afro-Carribean British men in in soccer increases their success rate with women. This is definitely noticeable among black and Indian populations in America.....

Of course there are good Indian/Pak athletes too. Amir Khan is the Britain's top boxer and gets lots of poon. Back in the 1990s, this cricketer Imran Khan married Jemima GOldsmith. A guy of any race can use sports to his advantage. At my high school, I knew Chinese and Korean dudes who played sports and dated hot white girls.

It appears that you not very familiar with British culture – it seems that you using American cultural mores to form an opinion on British dating preferences. Nobody gives a shit about whether you play for the school sports team in UK – it doesn’t affect the chances of you getting laid. There’s an old British joke about school sports – there’s more people on the field than there are people watching it. That’s how little it means over there.

Regarding Chinese people in UK marrying non-Chinese in UK – well that’s very likely to happen. There’s not many concentrated Chinese areas in UK. Chinese people tend to be more spread out over UK, so they’re more likely to end up with non-Chinese. A lot of their families open Chinese takeaways in small towns where there are only a few Chinese families in the whole town. If it wasn’t for mainland Chinese students coming into UK and settling there since the 1990’s the UK Chinese community might have disappeared within 2 or 3 generations due to intermarriage, much like the Japanese-American community in Los Angeles.

In my school aged 14-18 there was only 1 Chinese guy and the only Chinese woman was his older sister. So of course there’s a big chance they will end up with non-Chinese. The first time I saw Chinese male/Chinese female couple was when I moved to the US!

Indians and Pakistanis tend to live in very heavily Indian/Pakistani areas, so there’s a good chance that they might marry their own women. A lot of them prefer to, since they want a woman who would cook and help look after their parents. There’s not many non-Indian women that would do this. Plus with Pakistanis there’s the religion issue too. A lot of them marry Indian/Pakistani woman and bang white girls on the side.

My skin colour has no problems for me, in fact I take pride in it. Krauser mentioned me at the end of a Tom Torero podcast about a month back. I play on my exoticness, I tease women for not having a tan as good as mine during the summer. I date any women I get a DNA pull to regardless of their skin colour

I won't argue anecdote too much because I don't live in the UK.

Here would be my main point.

Very large scale and representative English health studies show that Afro-Carribean English young men have high rates of STIs/STDs, white English men are intermediate, and South Asian English (Indian/Pak) men are exceptionally low. Indian/Pak men are even lower than East Asian men in the UK.

The main factor that correlates with STI/STD transmission is the number of sexual partners. So a lot of sexual infections in a population is an indicator of a high level of sexual promiscuity. If Indian/Pak were having lots of sex with lots of girls from an early age, the STI/STD statistics would show that. Those stats certainly show high rates among Afro-Carribean men. but low rates among Indian/Pak men. Based on that, we can conclude Afro-Carribean men have lots of sexual partners and South Asian men have fewer.

Unlike sexual surveys and anecdotes from friends, these stats are from a representative sample and based on
impartial testing. So I trust them more.

Arguing about the sexual hook up rate of British-Indians is like arguing about their height. You might say British Indians are tall, someone else might say they're short, a third person can say they're medium height. Everyone has their own perceptions, biases, and personal anecdotes. The most objective way to determine British-Indian height, rather than rely on anecdote, is to measure a large representative sample. Hard to argue with that. Large scale and representative data sets are very useful, especially when the data is measured according to an objective standard.

If we want to ascertain on how much hooking up in going on, the best way is look at STD/STI transmission rates. It's factual data and not subject to bias.

In America, our STD/STI transmission rates are highest among blacks, intermediate among whites, and lower among Asians (our Asians are mostly Oriental). There are no figures for Indian/Pak people in America (those groups are included with the broader "Asian" racial category), but areas where the Asian-American is predominately Indian/Pak (mainly the Chicago and northern New Jersey suburbs) show the lowest STD/STI transmission rates.

So the point is that there seems to be some consistency in STD/STI rates in both the UK and US:

Black men are the highest
Then White men
Then East Asian men
Then Indian/Pak men

That order is true both in the US and the UK. So when you say UK culture is different, that very well may be true. You obviously know the UK better than me.

but I'd point out that the order seems to be the same.

Here's another interesting piece of data. As the Asian-American population has "diversified" (the proportion from Indian ethnicity is increasing, proportion from Oriental ethnicity is decreasing), the STI/STD gap between Asian-American men and white men has increased. So the data seem to support the idea that Indian-American men are lower in STD/STI than East Asian men, who are lower than whites.

(06-25-2014 08:25 PM)bojangles Wrote:  My skin colour has no problems for me, in fact I take pride in it. Krauser mentioned me at the end of a Tom Torero podcast about a month back. I play on my exoticness, I tease women for not having a tan as good as mine during the summer. I date any women I get a DNA pull to regardless of their skin colour

Why would it? White women love Mediterranean and black men. Dark skin is not a disadvantage.

If your aesthetics are nice and you carry yourself well, you'll do just fine.

A Pakistani cricket team guy married this.

What I don't understand from these statistics is how marrying white American or U.K. women is seen by Indians or Chinese as a sign of social success. It's blue pill male inferiority complexes based on race, the same type of sentiment that already dominates a lot of the actions of minority females. Most of U.K./U.S. are inherently toxic to begin with and looking for beta bucks. If a lot of these guys have a white woman fetish they should go to EE or even mainland Europe.

(06-25-2014 09:31 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  What I don't understand from these statistics is how marrying white American or U.K. women is seen by Indians or Chinese as a sign of social success. It's blue pill male inferiority complexes based on race, the same type of sentiment that already dominates a lot of the actions of minority females. Most of U.K./U.S. are inherently toxic to begin with and looking for beta bucks. If a lot of these guys have a white woman fetish they should go to EE or even mainland Europe.

It’s not seen as a sign of social success – a lot of British Indian guys just use white girls for sex and marry Indian women. If that want to wife somebody she had better be presentable, well spoken, good mannered, willing to cook and willing to deal with his parents. A lot of British-Indian girls are slutty too, but there’s a lot of decent ones out there too.

I’ve come across quite a few non-Indian women of all races in the US who have been burned by Indian men. The Indian guy dates these woman for a year or two, the woman falls in love with him, then he goes to India and comes back with a wife!