(03-27-2015 06:44 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  Kaotic, would Darien's approach have been appropriate if the girl had been giving LMR or indicated that she was hesitant about moving forward? I remember in your field report of the young latina you started making out with her and then specifically said something about wanting to test for LMR. When she didn't give any you ran right for the end zone.

When I have a woman back at my place for the first time and we're sitting on my loveseat I'll kiss her lightly, pull away briefly where we take a sip of our drinks and then I'm back at it seconds later. From there it's really up to her as to how far we go on that first pass. It's when she starts resisting that I get into trouble and lose my frame (which I'm working on from reading these field reports) however I don't see any resistance from her in Darien's post.

So the correct play would have been to push forward until she either A) She resisted OR B) He banged her. Correct?

I made out with her for a bit because we had a whatever connection at the bar, I noticed she got closer to me after we made out, then I started making out and didn't stop till we were banging.

Any girl that comes over instantly goes to my room, nothing else, so she knows the score, because we'll be "watching a cool or old movie".

First thing she's doing is sitting on the side of my bed watching me set things up, or even better, I'm showing off stuff I have.

Exactly, make a mental note of any LMR, if there isn't any, then it's go time.

(03-27-2015 06:52 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 06:17 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 06:09 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  Also kaotic, have you posted the story of the latina MILF here? Got a bit curious!

Anytime, I expect anyone on here to give honest straight up critiques and advice also.

Sure do, wrote a date sheet on it and had the gents on here critique me, tell me how I fucked up and what I needed to of done.

All the signs were there, an extremely valuable lesson learned.

Postmortem Review - Analyze this date

I went back and read your field report and remember when you wrote it the first time around. I had two situations like that happen over the last 3 weeks with identical outcomes as this one. I escalated as hard as I could, they resisted, this happened multiple times and finally I got the "I need to leave".

Now that you had some time to reflect on that night how could you have done anything differently?

The first thing I'd do is put some romantic comedy on (I put on a serious thriller movie), offer her a beer, when I tell her "shhh shutup I'm watching the movie" -smirk- I'd of immediately kissed her and started making out. Gauge her physical reactions, more than likely we would of start making out more (remember she pulled me back on the bed when we started making out before we leave).

I guarantee you we would've been fucking and she would of been a regular plate, I froze up, fucked up, I think it's because in my head I was like - "Holy shit got this banging latin girl with these nice tits in my bed!"

If you hesitate even for a second, it's blood in the water, sharks (women) will smell it (fear/lack of confidence) and decide right then and there to not bang you or let you try again.

(03-28-2015 02:30 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I guarantee you we would've been fucking and she would of been a regular plate, I froze up, fucked up, I think it's because in my head I was like - "Holy shit got this banging latin girl with these nice tits in my bed!"

If you hesitate even for a second, it's blood in the water, sharks (women) will smell it (fear/lack of confidence) and decide right then and there to not bang you or let you try again.

As always great breakdown Kaotic. I'm still figuring this out but it feels like it's almost a zen like state we need to be in. That is to aggressively escalate without hesitation or doubt and if we run into resistance to be able to immediately stop, disengage and truly be ok with nothing more happening. I've been reading up on push/pull and it seems to me this is just another flavor of that concept.

I'm still figuring out the right balance between aggressively escalating and going slow (think DeCarlow escalation ladder). There truly seems to be a sweet spot we need to stay in. Too little and we're cast off as being too timid and week. Too strong and it sets off the ASD alarms and they bolt.

(03-28-2015 09:07 AM)-g- Wrote:  She accidentally put in a 8 at first and I texted that number too. Ended up being some HB hooters girl in The town I'm going to move to next week.. She lives down the st from my future appt. Weird coincidence.

I am friends with a guy who accidentally texted the wrong number once.

He was trying to reach a male friend. The number he texted ended up being a girl with a good sense of humor.

Fast forward 3 years, and now they are married!

You never know what the universe will throw your way...

100!

Hot Thai chick from RCA, life is good.

Fuck. I got cock blocked by a frat brother (!) and her friends. I made out with her, tried to pull her home, but her friends fucking stopped me.

Whatever, at least I got her number. I'll get her soon enough. Any advice, also?

Oh, my brothers!

I am 29, I just got the first hint of the insanity that explodes your mind when you randomly log into Facebook and see the photos of the now 30 year old I had a huge crush on when I first moved to SoCal as a horny 12 year old. She was my first post puberty want-to-fuck her silly crush.

Ended up being a popular high school cheerleader etc... vapid personality as Orange County as it gets.

Anyhow man did she hit the wall like a bag of bricks. If she was a Tinder match or CouchSurfer request I may not even go for the bang. Wow.

Sad part is in her picture even way back in 08' her looks had faded drastically.

23yo is the first hard wall for many white chicks that spend too much time in the sun (she is a red head).

Wow. The guy she married looks well-to-do and dashing. He looks like he could have slayed hot 21 yo's all day long. I bet he is 30 as well..

I am just floored. I have heard about shit like this happening as you get older, just my teenage fantasies are being crushed left and right. This was a girl I was very intimidated by back then.

Well in her friend group one chick passed the wall with flying colors is a blonde surprisingly her skin and all held up well but she did move to Chicago at some point so that may have helped! She is with a tall, but very very beta looking guy. She looks genuinely happy (no cock stare)... can't trust that though I guess!

4 of the 5 in the group photo that used to be the solid 7's and 8's at my high school are now 30y 6's....

I might have accidently pioneered marching against austerity game. There are going college and university student strikes againt austerity measures in my current city so I decided to check it out with a classmate and to my greatest suprise it was a never ending supply of 19-21 year old arts and humanities students (my niche market). I just had to open with a situational line and push the broke and hungry computer science student narrative. Got 2 numbers that way last night.

Yup i'm in my late 20's and seeing this happening more and more.

Especially girls who are single mothers who recently gave birth, jesus christ. It's like they gave up fighting the wall.

There is one mother whose married with 3 kids, that whole family looks pretty solid which gives me hope. She calls her sons her "best accomplishments" - instead of her job or bachelors degree.

I just laugh when I open facebook and see all these whores having kids and getting married to dudes who have no fucking idea that me and my friends banged them.

Any girl that calls her kids "best accomplishment" and is single is plain stupid. Nevertheless, proceed as usual.

Today I walked in the bus and a girl locked eye contact with me, I'm not usually a fan of daygame, but I sat next to her, talked, number-closed, and made out. She's coming to my place tomorrow night.

Met a girl at a club a few weeks ago. Insta-date to a bar for a drink at a place I have on lock down then we came back to mine. Saw her a couple times after. Most recently I asked her if she wanted to hang out a few days in the future as she was leaving. She said sure, then paused and said, just so you know I'm not looking for a relationship. I said "who is?". Radio silence since then.

Probably a little over eager on my part. I should have pulled back and let her come to me. Hopefully she'll come around - if not charge it to the game.

(03-29-2015 02:38 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  Any girl that calls her kids "best accomplishment" and is single is plain stupid. Nevertheless, proceed as usual.

She's married with 3 kids and is a housewife to a guy that's pretty solid.

If she's saying that when she's married, I think it's great.

If she's single and saying that, that would be debatable.

Been a pretty interesting weekend, worked alot.

Owner of the shop I work weekends wants me to work more manager shifts, gave me a raise and a daily closing bonus if goals will be met.

It's a chill job to decompress from the weekday corpo job.

Updates on radio silencing girls:

I haven't talked my 19 year old black girl since last thursday, she said she was sick and couldn't hangout.

She hit me up this morning with fury

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She went full hamster, talking about she "just doesn't want to fuck me" and I basically told her I didn't have time for that.

I told her there's miscommunication going on, that the door is open if she wants to hangout still, that "when I'm with you I'm with you"

She told me she "doesn't want to be that girl" and what I meant by that "I'm with you statement"

I shut her down with "there's way too much over analyzing". If I didn't like her I wouldn't even bother explaining myself to her and we'll be more clear from now on.

It ended of course with her still wanting my dick and her feelings being stroked

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TL;DR Dick game strong that radio silence pissed her off, she showed her cards and folded.

I'll probably let this one go after a few more bangs, saying I got promoted, I'm way too busy, and don't want to lead her on.

The main:

Had some pretty intense sex Friday and Saturday, I really do dig her, my corpo coworkers loved having her around (they're all older guys and are married) so they're living through me.

I noticed she'll get a bit bummed when I don't answer my phone when she gets off work (you gotta instill a bit of dread).

The blondie with the booty:

We hungout last night, got some coffee walked around this cool man made lake.

We sat on the steps of this mini auditorium and just checked out the view.

We were silent, it was really fucking nice actually.

Then I taught her how to drive my car, neighborhood streets, then a main street. Then I showed her a racing version of what I did. We also went up this bit of a sketch street with sharp turns.

She loved every bit of this, we went home, we banged, goddamn she's flexible. I was grabbing her ankles and making her legs do the split while I was banging her out.

I noticed we're more open sexually now, she's not that shy anymore.

This chick is just a bundle of fun - I can also tell she's catching feelings for me also.

If she just loses a bit more weight I might keep her around.


Then This Broad Happened:

Matched this cute 7 on OKC

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YES I knew what I was getting into, I just wanted to see how far I could push the interaction.

Here's some highlights:
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Yeah a little ironic she wants to play Little Girl to my Dominant Daddy.

Anyways we chat up a few days, the conversation turns sexual a few times, making a roses are red perverted poems.

She's feeding into it and we plan on meeting up last night.

I'm at work and am confirming that we're hanging out, she's a bit resistant about meeting closer to my area but I soothe her feathers on that.

Then comes this:

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I play it cool and accuse her of describing that person as me also. I also explain I'm not asking her to come to my house, just a little closer so I don't have to drive to butt fuck egypt.

She texts me back then calls me (probably a bad idea to answer).

She basically says, hey I went on a date, then he got a hotel room and I didn't feel comfortable anymore, so I freaked and left.

She used terms like "he was using reverse negatives and word play" "I was almost sexually assaulted"

I kind of laughed and said, "gotta love thirsty guys" I told her "Look I'm only meeting you for coffee for an hour because I have shit I need to do after, it's not a big deal."

Her hamster was spinning "I know you seem like a pretty cool guy, but I don't even know you", I said "well it's on you, if you do want to hangout the doors always open"

She said thanks and kept saying she's sorry.....I just hung up.

The only reason I wanted to purse this was for the DDLG (Daddy Dom Little Girl) experiences.

Oh well, gotta love thirsty guys fucking it up for others.

(03-30-2015 12:12 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Updates on radio silencing girls:

I haven't talked my 19 year old black girl since last thursday, she said she was sick and couldn't hangout.

She hit me up this morning with fury



She went full hamster, talking about she "just doesn't want to fuck me" and I basically told her I didn't have time for that.

I think my crazy/drama threshold is extremely low as I would have immediately blocked her number and not replied if I had received that text. To me it screams instability and me waking up one morning to my car keyed and tires slashed

She used to receiving attention from the thirsties lol. Everything is well played Kaotic. I matched a bdsm chick from tinder, but seemed to be a SIF over snapchat. The last chick seems a bit wacky. The whole "I don't even know you" shit gets old. She's doing online dating wtf she expect?

"I kind of laughed and said, "gotta love thirsty guys" I told her "Look I'm only meeting you for coffee for an hour because I have shit I need to do after, it's not a big deal.""

Game!

If she doesn't want to hang it's her fucking problem!

(03-30-2015 03:19 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 12:12 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Updates on radio silencing girls:

I haven't talked my 19 year old black girl since last thursday, she said she was sick and couldn't hangout.

She hit me up this morning with fury



She went full hamster, talking about she "just doesn't want to fuck me" and I basically told her I didn't have time for that.

I think my crazy/drama threshold is extremely low as I would have immediately blocked her number and not replied if I had received that text. To me it screams instability and me waking up one morning to my car keyed and tires slashed

You know I think I'm having second thoughts about it, regardless of how tight her body and pussy are, yeah I just might next her for good.

I was laughing the entire time she was writing me I even said "well good morning to you too" she's obviously invested in me, as I am not.

I think I might just let her down easy, gotta find some new girls. Jariel's new post has me thinking about commitment.

(03-30-2015 03:38 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  She used to receiving attention from the thirsties lol. Everything is well played Kaotic. I matched a bdsm chick from tinder, but seemed to be a SIF over snapchat. The last chick seems a bit wacky. The whole "I don't even know you" shit gets old. She's doing online dating wtf she expect?

Yeah, girls always low what they can't get. She wants my feelings but she isn't getting them.

The Sub girl definitely seemed a bit crazy, I just wanted in on being her Dom, I enjoy that role and it's gratifying if you've ever played it.

I've played the IDKU card before, but in this case when she through those SJW terms my dick tuned out and I hung up not long after that.

I really need to start approaching more in person.

Turns out that the girl I made out with found me "creepy." Or, at least, her friends did. I was overly persistent and probably seemed pretty thirsty. I was also pretty drunk.

Oh well. The average college girl happens to have the memory span of a fruit fly.

More importantly, I'm pissed that I keep getting the make out, but it tends to just fizzle from there. It's really getting to be a pain in the ass.

(03-30-2015 05:07 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  Turns out that the girl I made out with found me "creepy." Or, at least, her friends did. I was overly persistent and probably seemed pretty thirsty. I was also pretty drunk.

Oh well. The average college girl happens to have the memory span of a fruit fly.

More importantly, I'm pissed that I keep getting the make out, but it tends to just fizzle from there. It's really getting to be a pain in the ass.

Usually I only makeout with a girl if I have my logistics in order and she's already at my house.

Making out is nothing to a girl nowadays, it's like fist bumping or a handshake.

Where were you making out with this girl ?

You say you keep making out and it fizzles.....how about trying not to makeout with the girls and have a stronger frame/game.

If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll expect the same results.

^^ Good call. It was the middle of my frat party.

I'm thinking it's probably mindset and sub-communication related. I'm showing "I'll make out with you, but I won't take you home." Or something like that.

(03-30-2015 05:15 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  ^^ Good call. It was the middle of my frat party.

I'm thinking it's probably mindset and sub-communication related. I'm showing "I'll make out with you, but I won't take you home." Or something like that.

Were you isolating her then making out with her or doing in the middle of the party for all to see ?

In most girls eyes, making out with them pretty much means you want to fuck them asap especially at a party. They'll have the upper hand in deciding if they want to or not.

The other girls probably saw it as creepy because more than likely you were making out with her in the middle of the party. (if that is in fact what you did).

Had a wild flameout recently...met a gal from Tinder, we went on ~5 dates over 2-3 weeks. Things actually seemed to be getting pretty serious, we did a 24-hour date (went to my friend's house to hang, banged, slept over, banged, got breakfast, saw a movie, lunch etc), later we did lunch+dinner and went to a museum in between. The sex was great and she was pretty sharp and very nice. Thought this might go to primary or LTR material.

I had to go out of town for work after the last date, we had been texting and talking by phone and a couple days after that poof no response. Threw out a feeler text and got nothing, called her and got one ring then the machine (usually sign that an iPhone user has blocked your number).

A few days later I called her from my work phone on a hunch and if she had been blocking me to get to the bottom of things. She picks up and says "what happened?" Tells me she hadn't heard anything from me, had texted me a bunch but heard nothing and so thought it was over. I told her I hadn't heard jack from her. We arranged to meet that night, but she no-showed and I never heard from her again. Given the flake I didn't really buy the story about her not getting my messages; I asked a couple girls I trust and they thought she was bullshitting me hard.

I know chicks can go ghost, but never heard of it right after an epic bang when things seemed to be escalating. Guess she found some new dick.

(03-30-2015 05:26 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:15 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  ^^ Good call. It was the middle of my frat party.

I'm thinking it's probably mindset and sub-communication related. I'm showing "I'll make out with you, but I won't take you home." Or something like that.

Were you isolating her then making out with her or doing in the middle of the party for all to see ?

In most girls eyes, making out with them pretty much means you want to fuck them asap especially at a party. They'll have the upper hand in deciding if they want to or not.

The other girls probably saw it as creepy because more than likely you were making out with her in the middle of the party. (if that is in fact what you did).

I got her away from her friends, but we were in my frat house's kitchen, which is a pretty public area (40+ people were there). So yes, I would probably say that we were "in the middle of the party."

How would you have dealt with the situation? Wait to kiss her until you're ready to take her home, or something else?

These are kind of newbie questions, but this is my big roadblock at the moment.

(03-30-2015 05:45 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:26 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:15 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  ^^ Good call. It was the middle of my frat party.

I'm thinking it's probably mindset and sub-communication related. I'm showing "I'll make out with you, but I won't take you home." Or something like that.

Were you isolating her then making out with her or doing in the middle of the party for all to see ?

In most girls eyes, making out with them pretty much means you want to fuck them asap especially at a party. They'll have the upper hand in deciding if they want to or not.

The other girls probably saw it as creepy because more than likely you were making out with her in the middle of the party. (if that is in fact what you did).

I got her away from her friends, but we were in my frat house's kitchen, which is a pretty public area (40+ people were there). So yes, I would probably say that we were "in the middle of the party."

How would you have dealt with the situation? Wait to kiss her until you're ready to take her home, or something else?

These are kind of newbie questions, but this is my big roadblock at the moment.

If it's your frat house don't you have your own bedroom? Just take her to your room to show her "this really cool...(fill in the blank)" and escalate from there.

(03-30-2015 05:45 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:26 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:15 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  ^^ Good call. It was the middle of my frat party.

I'm thinking it's probably mindset and sub-communication related. I'm showing "I'll make out with you, but I won't take you home." Or something like that.

Were you isolating her then making out with her or doing in the middle of the party for all to see ?

In most girls eyes, making out with them pretty much means you want to fuck them asap especially at a party. They'll have the upper hand in deciding if they want to or not.

The other girls probably saw it as creepy because more than likely you were making out with her in the middle of the party. (if that is in fact what you did).

I got her away from her friends, but we were in my frat house's kitchen, which is a pretty public area (40+ people were there). So yes, I would probably say that we were "in the middle of the party."

How would you have dealt with the situation? Wait to kiss her until you're ready to take her home, or something else?

These are kind of newbie questions, but this is my big roadblock at the moment.

Take her outside, take her upstairs, get her away.

Some place with dim lights and it isn't that loud.

"Let's get out of here, it's loud"

"Let's get out of here, this party's getting boring"

"Come here, I want to show you something"

'We should go check X out, let's get out of here"

-grab her by the hand and guide her- don't say a word

ESPECIALLY get her away from her cock blocking friends.

(03-30-2015 05:15 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  ^^ Good call. It was the middle of my frat party.

I'm thinking it's probably mindset and sub-communication related. I'm showing "I'll make out with you, but I won't take you home." Or something like that.

Don't make out with a girl until you have her isolated. If you're meeting these girls at parties and clicking then try and get her back to your place or to a private spot before you go for the makeout, otherwise you're stuck with just a makeout and no ability to escalate.

As said by Kaotic, make outs mean nothing. I've seen girls make out with 4 different guys at the one party and then go home with a 5th guy. You want to be that guy, not the first 4.