Post: #5001

@Mister X, sending a text and gaming a girl shouldnt be a struggle, even though it actually is. If you cant have fun or at least have have a "give no fuck" attitude when gaming girls, it will fucking crush your soul.

When I send a text nowadays, I no longer expect a response. If she doesnt reply I still dont care and would text her again if I feel like. A lot of the time I dont feel like texting her anymore and I delete her number. I realized that I no longer care when I forgot to even delete her number. I have like a dozen "Marion" in my phone right now I send them all the same text

Its called "the game" for a reason. Remember, girls are playing their text game with you too. Some will text you non stop. My wingman shows me his phone all the time. he sent like 1 text without punctuation, and girls sent him fucking 3-4 essays in a row!! Some will not text you first no matter what. My ex told me that after our first SNL, she was waiting to text me all week but her pride wouldnt allow it. And some have no fucking clue how to text a man.

And if texting is not working for you, try picking up the phone. Nothing to lose, run a little experiment

There are drama game texts that will spin girls hamster but they are difficult to master. Ive seen my wing texted things like "gotta talk before its all over" Girl would be spinning crazy thinking he is dumping them or other shit, text back crazy stuffs and then my wing would text back "what? I meant before the movie is over" epic troll game

Post: #5002

(03-24-2015 11:59 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  Here is how I handle all my girls, starting with whenever it is we first bang:

Day 1: Bang
Day 2: follow up on bang, suggest meeting up again sometime
Day 7: text her, suggest meeting up the following week
Day 14: re-bang
Day 15: follow up on bang, suggest meeting up again sometime...

This is perfect. I'm a big fan of dating coach Corey Wayne (check out his you tube vids) and this is similar to the model that he preaches. The only tweak I would suggest is if one of these women reaches out to you say between day 2 and 7 with any kind of text (hey, how are you? blah blah) take it as an indication that she's ready to be taken out again and immediately go for the date (Hey, it's great hearing from you, we should 'blah blah' when are you free?)

Post: #5003

The next time I bang my plates I'm going to go silent on them. I'll keep a log and we'll see how things turn out.

Post: #5004

(03-25-2015 10:34 AM)kaotic Wrote:  The next time I bang my plates I'm going to go silent on them. I'll keep a log and we'll see how things turn out.

I've started to do that. It seems like a smart move to only tangle with interested girls. That, and imagine the girl talk that would happen in the background with their hot friends.

Post: #5005

Had an afternoon meeting at a beach bar with a kindergarten teacher from online. Showed up wearing one of those low cut sundresses with her tits hanging out. Told me how she wants to get a tramp stamp. No bang due to time constraints but have a date at a dive bar Fri night.

Post: #5006

@kaotic and dalaran

I'm certainly frustrated at the moment. It feels like half of my posts include the phrase I've been saying for months now. "It shouldn't be this hard."

The thing is, game is one of very few things I can think of where seemingly improving yourself and increasing value doesn't guarantee an easier path. Someone mentioned Leo having to work for the girls that are worth it, so even guys at that level are working.

This is not me complaining that things get rough sometimes - or that I want everything handed to me... my frustration lies with...the fact that your improvements don't factor in sometimes.

You know, if I look back a few years, I can say with honesty "yeah, I get why girls were ignoring my texts. I was beta, I didn't have a whole lot going on, I was still shy to get sexual, sometimes didn't pull the trigger, etc."

But then you compare yourself then to where you are now, and you have some girls talking about how masculine you are or how they love your confidence, etc - you start making waves in your professional career, moving up that ladder, getting better logistics, getting cultured along the way - so for me, I sit back thinking, "cool...those days of lukewarm text responses are behind me."

Because I just spent fucking the past five years...doing what I could on my end, to not have that shit happen.

But it continues. Failure can still happen. And that part is frustrating.

I think it was Jariel who made an epic post in the thread about "are we asking too much from women?" - his post opened with the line "we're not asking for enough." And I totally agree.

I'm not asking these girls to hit me up begging for dick or setting up dates, as I'm traditional and still think that should be the man's job. But fuck bro, I'm getting tired of opening them up. I just feel like I'm bothering them at some level. Like they see my text and go "ugh, this guy again."

No, they've never given me the sense that they're not interested and/or don't want to hear from me. We know what those signs are. Some of these girls do respond back quickly and with well thought out answers as opposed to one word answers. These are girls that seem to like hearing from me.

But it's like I have to remind them constantly of that fact. It's not "ugh, mister x again." It's "oh yeah! mister x! Hey!"

It's like, am I ever on their minds when I'm not around? Or do they only think of me when I'm there initiating contact. That's what bothers me. That I have to keep myself fresh in their minds. If they really dug me the way I feel they should, that shouldn't be necessary. And again, it has happened. But not consistently. It may happen once for every new 10 girls. But it should be much more than that. Maybe it's an ego thing, and I will say that my ego has been an issue for me, but still. Either way.

Post: #5007

(03-09-2015 03:04 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Only approach beautiful women.

The more you do this, the more you will realize that not only are you good enough for any of them, but, many of them are not good enough for you.

There is nothing to fear.

I've said it before, and I'm saying it again, Gio is a fucking prophet. Today I just had 3 instances that illustrates exactly what he said above. This forum is like a fucking gospel.

So I've made conscious effort to only talk to beautiful women. Talked to and had lunch with a beautiful blonde with perfect skin and body, long hair and taller than me. She was pleasant but turned out was dumb as fuck. Bitch didn't even know how to cut the meat from the roasted stick, clumsy as hell and almost spray meat all over the table! Later she boasted about being single and proud and a lot of other dumb shit. Her SMV value in my eye go from 8 to 6.

Went to dance class, finally decided to talk the hottest ass girl there. A solid 8.5 with the roundest curves I've ever seen. Turned out, she was 25 and already a single mother with a baby daughter!!! Studies law too, but some stupid African laws that I have no fucking idea what use it's gonna be in France. Very boring to talk to as well.

So I was on a roll and kept talking to another 8. Girl is from Lithuana, absolutely Victoria Secret body but with a meh face. She is the best dancer in the room and sometimes made fun of me. This time I flipped the script, neg her a lot more then started talking about my new internship. Bitch immediately snap "seriously you worked for xyz? Could you please give them my CV?" Ha, few months ago she was joking about how I'd go homeless with my Sociology degree. Her attitude toward me change completely and passes all the compliance tests I threw at her. But that bitch is about as shallow as a dry pond.

I'm slowly snapping out of being intimidated by really hot girls. It's clear that for some attractive girls, the only thing they have going for them it's their look and nothing else. These girls would only ever be pumped and dumped material and I would rather watch paint dry than be with them for 3h + for anything other than fuck.

I need to go through this entire thread with a leather bound grimoire and feather pen and collect the bits of wisdom here. Maybe one day it will be know as "The gospel of RVF, by Dalaran the Penitent Apostle"

Post: #5008

(03-25-2015 06:11 PM)Mister X Wrote:  It's like, am I ever on their minds when I'm not around? Or do they only think of me when I'm there initiating contact. That's what bothers me. That I have to keep myself fresh in their minds. If they really dug me the way I feel they should, that shouldn't be necessary.

I can relate 100% to what you are saying. I'm 43 years old, I didn't lose my virginity until my mid 20's, was painfully shy and awkward around women in my teens and then jumped into a marriage with a woman who I would never even ask out for a second date if I met her today.

It's now been 4+ years post divorce and about 3 years into my red pill journey. I've had a lot of triumphs, breakthroughs and flat out shit has happened to me that I would have never dreamed of 10 years ago. By the same token, I've been emotionally beat up, rejected, judged, ignored, laughed at and completely disregarded by women who I've approached and attempted to bang. I know first hand how discouraging and disheartening things can be when you've felt like you've done the work, put in the time and want some kind of tangible result from your efforts. I don't have an answer to make you feel better other than the sole reason for you to be working on yourself, investing in yourself is for no one other than you. Be your biggest fan, look in the mirror and admire the shit out of the progress you've made on your body in the gym. High five yourself that you had the balls to approach that woman 99% of the other guys couldn't.

And finally, go read Roosh's legendary blog "Be that guy". It perfectly paraphrases your quote above.

Post: #5009

This weekend is the last weekend of spring break. The regular tourists will start showing up soon.
I didn't mess around with tourist women much last year because I was burned out on them from the previous two years, but I'm going after them hard this year.
If you know what you're doing, tourists are some of the easiest and quickest lays you will ever get.

Post: #5010

(03-25-2015 06:11 PM)Mister X Wrote:  @kaotic and dalaran

I'm certainly frustrated at the moment. It feels like half of my posts include the phrase I've been saying for months now. "It shouldn't be this hard."

The thing is, game is one of very few things I can think of where seemingly improving yourself and increasing value doesn't guarantee an easier path. Someone mentioned Leo having to work for the girls that are worth it, so even guys at that level are working.

This is not me complaining that things get rough sometimes - or that I want everything handed to me... my frustration lies with...the fact that your improvements don't factor in sometimes.

You know, if I look back a few years, I can say with honesty "yeah, I get why girls were ignoring my texts. I was beta, I didn't have a whole lot going on, I was still shy to get sexual, sometimes didn't pull the trigger, etc."

But then you compare yourself then to where you are now, and you have some girls talking about how masculine you are or how they love your confidence, etc - you start making waves in your professional career, moving up that ladder, getting better logistics, getting cultured along the way - so for me, I sit back thinking, "cool...those days of lukewarm text responses are behind me."

Because I just spent fucking the past five years...doing what I could on my end, to not have that shit happen.

But it continues. Failure can still happen. And that part is frustrating.

I think it was Jariel who made an epic post in the thread about "are we asking too much from women?" - his post opened with the line "we're not asking for enough." And I totally agree.

I'm not asking these girls to hit me up begging for dick or setting up dates, as I'm traditional and still think that should be the man's job. But fuck bro, I'm getting tired of opening them up. I just feel like I'm bothering them at some level. Like they see my text and go "ugh, this guy again."

No, they've never given me the sense that they're not interested and/or don't want to hear from me. We know what those signs are. Some of these girls do respond back quickly and with well thought out answers as opposed to one word answers. These are girls that seem to like hearing from me.

But it's like I have to remind them constantly of that fact. It's not "ugh, mister x again." It's "oh yeah! mister x! Hey!"

It's like, am I ever on their minds when I'm not around? Or do they only think of me when I'm there initiating contact. That's what bothers me. That I have to keep myself fresh in their minds. If they really dug me the way I feel they should, that shouldn't be necessary. And again, it has happened. But not consistently. It may happen once for every new 10 girls. But it should be much more than that. Maybe it's an ego thing, and I will say that my ego has been an issue for me, but still. Either way.

I think the only way to get to a point where girls are somewhat responsive to your texts and you don't have to keep reminding them you're there is by fucking them.

Obviously, way easier said than done. But, to those who will still return your texts. Keep hitting them up until they meet. Then, once you meet them, do everything ( in a suave player like way ) you can to bang them asap.

Fuck them as soon as possible. Many frustrations will end.

Post: #5011

Girl I knew in high school hit me up on tinder. When I swiped right, I didn't know it was her. She immediately hit me up on tinder and gave me her number... It was her bday. So my boys and I went to a bar and she met us there. I played it cool but I didn't go for the bang but we planned a date for today. She's super fucking awkward and I paid for her drink. She talked about her ex and didn't give eye contact unless I looked away... I could tell she hasn't been on a date in a long time. Fat ass and a killer body. HB7-8 for sure but annoying as fuck. Long story short, we have plans for Friday and I am going to go for the bang. She broke up with her ltr a month ago and has no friends so I feel confident she needs some D... Going to take her dancing and drink liquor back at my place once it's done. Gotta clean the place up cause it's a fucking mess after a party I just threw

Post: #5012

I just used your friends line, "Gotta talk before its all over"... Fucking gold! She sent me a text in like half a second after. I was dying laughing

I owe you a rep point bro

Post: #5013

just had a weird date

Online date comes over to my house for first date and she is kinda ganster looking

I told her to bring wine and she does, I smell weed in her car so she suggests we smoke.......first time I have done this on a date, and I'm not a big smoker

We smoke a blunt, drink, while talking on my patio and then after 25 minutes or so I say let's go inside.

In the bedroom we talk then I go for a kiss, she doesn't take it, I keep kinoing and then she says she won't have sex until marriage (she already has kids, and I'm sure has sex all the time). I might of messed up here, I didn't agree and amplify at that point, I told her I didn't believe her. Then she said do you want me to go then ? ....At that point I said no and I understood her view, then I told her to watch a movie (thinking she will give it up if I continue to escalate)

She goes to another room, but starts to let me feel her more, then tells me to pull up the back of her shirt. So I do and start feeling her up and grabbing her breasts, she stops me on the breasts but she is letting me kiss her some. Then she stops completely and leaves

.......Because I'm hii off of the weed I think she stole my wallet at this point. So I run downstairs as she is walking away and she ignores me and jumps in her car and locks the door. I text her why I came running down so I don't look needy, she says no I didn't steal your wallet, and don't contact me again

She also asks me at one point if I had any other plans besides staying at my house the whole date. ..so if I had to pinpoint where it went wrong, either one of two things...(I had attraction, I do know that). It went wrong because either she really did feel like I was just in this for sex, or being a ganster type girl she only could get truly turned on horny by a guy doing a hardcore super dominant escalation technique, the likes of just picking her up and owning her.

Post: #5014

(03-26-2015 12:42 AM)B-Nut Wrote:  being a ganster type girl she only could get truly turned on horny by a guy doing a hardcore super dominant escalation technique, the likes of just picking her up and owning her.

this is one of my go to moves(tell them, "dont freak out, I am picking you up now" and then just carry them to bed and keep escalating. All women get wet when you do that sort of thing, not just gangsta women.

Post: #5015

(03-25-2015 09:27 PM)-g- Wrote:  I just used your friends line, "Gotta talk before its all over"... Fucking gold! She sent me a text in like half a second after. I was dying laughing

I owe you a rep point bro

You are welcome bro. Holla once you got the bang

Fuck this shit why my advice works for everyone but me

Post: #5016

Describe this gangster chick look, doesn't sound too attractive..

Post: #5017

(03-25-2015 08:05 PM)robreke Wrote:  I think the only way to get to a point where girls are somewhat responsive to your texts and you don't have to keep reminding them you're there is by fucking them.

Obviously, way easier said than done. But, to those who will still return your texts. Keep hitting them up until they meet. Then, once you meet them, do everything ( in a suave player like way ) you can to bang them asap.

Fuck them as soon as possible. Many frustrations will end.

Actually a girl could fuck and chuck pretty easy, what's important I believe is MIND FUCKING her to keep her around and have her chase you.

If you know what makes that girl tick, it's damn easy to make sure you DON'T have to remind her.

The black druggie girl I fuck will text me on and off because we have good intelligent convos.

She'll suggest we hangout soon.

The blondie with the booty im banging enjoys just being around me because we VIBE really well with each other and I treat her good.

She texted me the other day asking when I'm seeing her again.

The slut likes being around me because I know what turns her the fuck on, knows she can talk to me about her shit, because in the end, I'm the one that makes her cum, which is rare for her.

She'll text me randomly saying she had a sex dream about me or send pics of her pierced tits.

The main HB 8 I have is around because she loves me for who I am, the dominant man I am in her life, she absolutely adores me, I can see it in her eyes when she wakes up next to me in the morning and stares.

She calls me every single morning when she wake up, snapchats me multiple times a day and calls me every single night off work.

This took alot of hard work, game, and frame. Now all these qualities are just apart of who I am on cruise control.

The thread about shit testing a compliant girl - I was wrong. Because I realize I shit test this girl who loves me from time to time also.

I'm still going to go radio silent on my plates and see how long it takes them to reply.


Yeah if you fuck a girl good she'll be putty in your hands, but goes only so far.

Sometimes...you've gotta do more than fuck her good to keep her around.

Sometimes...you've gotta send her a text but NEVER as many as she does you.

Sometimes...you have to mind fuck her.

Post: #5018

(03-26-2015 11:51 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Sometimes...you have to mind fuck her.

All these guys that say you have to fuck a girl well to keep her around are right in a way.

What they don't realize is that women's arousal is not so physically focused like men's.

You are NOT fucking her well if you are not in her head. If you want a girl, you have to get in her head. The further you're in her head, the more you have her.

Those guys that can't keep a girl long term have no idea how to get in their heads.

Post: #5019

(03-25-2015 05:47 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  There are drama game texts that will spin girls hamster but they are difficult to master. Ive seen my wing texted things like "gotta talk before its all over" Girl would be spinning crazy thinking he is dumping them or other shit, text back crazy stuffs and then my wing would text back "what? I meant before the movie is over" epic troll game

This is natural game. Just messing with chicks and being completely illogical and incongruent. If you look at the text message game of natural with girls you'll notice none of it even makes sense. I think the key, for me, is to be able to tease and joke via text msg like I do in real life as well. Sometimes I tend to forget and go into the logical conversation mode which is a text game killer. Good point

Post: #5020

I texted a girl the other night out of the blue after not texting her for a week:

"you smell like a cat"

She responded:

"Weirdo"

I don't text, next night she texts me wanting to hang out which is rare, I usually initiate.

I think I hate text game because it exposes that women are idiots and like entertainment meant for down syndrome kids.

Post: #5021

(03-26-2015 12:03 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:51 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Sometimes...you have to mind fuck her.

All these guys that say you have to fuck a girl well to keep her around are right in a way.

What they don't realize is that women's arousal is not so physically focused like men's.

You are NOT fucking her well if you are not in her head. If you want a girl, you have to get in her head. The further you're in her head, the more you have her.

Those guys that can't keep a girl long term have no idea how to get in their heads.

Completely agree with you on this. These guys ARE right.

I'm just saying well...sometimes it's not enough...girl's aren't rational.

Yup you nailed in, the more you're in there, the more she'll crave, fuck, contact you, instead of the other way around.

I dig what Mister X is saying - because I've been there plenty.

I've been discouraged when bitches don't hit me up.

Actually last night I reached out to the latin girl with the nice pussy seeing if she wanted to meet me again, she outright said "no, I'm good for now"

Did I get pissed ? Naww, I said "all good, no bad vibes, doors always open, have a good one" she responsed with "thanks you too"

I ended up fucking the slut I mentioned, that night.

I already won because I fucked her, I fucked her good, my semi wet bedsheets will back that up, however, I lost retaining her.

Why? Because we had a shitty connection besides the sex.

That latin girl was a layup bang for me, I tuned her out during the date, took her back and fucked her, we didn't connect on any other level. I was just another dick. She was just another pussy.

Post: #5022

^ Sounds like good ole fashioned romance to me.

Post: #5023

(03-26-2015 12:24 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I already won because I fucked her, I fucked her good, my semi wet bedsheets will back that up, however, I lost retaining her.

Why? Because we had a shitty connection besides the sex.

That latin girl was a layup bang for me, I tuned her out during the date, took her back and fucked her, we didn't connect on any other level. I was just another dick. She was just another pussy.

You make a great point Kaotic. Retaining a woman long term is simply a matter of having both chemistry and connection. If you have a connection and no chemistry it's the dreaded friend zone. If there's chemistry but no connection it's your experience with the Latin girl.

Post: #5024

(03-26-2015 12:29 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^ Sounds like good ole fashioned romance to me.

It may just be, but do you think it's a good thing to have in this day and age ?

Post: #5025

(03-25-2015 06:29 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  only talk to beautiful women.

Yes!

Approaching average looking girls is playing the game on "easy mode".

Approaching beautiful women is "hard mode".

With beautiful girls, we learn faster: Our confidence grows faster, our knowledge of socio-sexual dynamics grows faster, we get tested more deeply, we get exposed to the truth sooner, we learn more about ourselves, etc.

Beautiful women offer us an opportunity to face our deepest fear -- OUR SELF. Are we cool enough? Good looking enough? Is our personality and charisma strong enough? Do we have game or not? Beautiful girls can help us to answer these questions.

Don't forget, beautiful girls are "Paper Tigers"

(03-25-2015 06:29 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  I need to go through this entire thread ... and collect the bits of wisdom here.

I am currently doing this for all of my posts on the forum.

I am organizing all my best posts into a sort of "best of" or "greatest hits".

My first book -- "The Best of Giovonny: How a Middle Aged Man Taught himself to Bang Hot College Girls" -- should be available later this year!

(that is not the real title, it's just a rough idea)

*****

(03-26-2015 12:32 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 12:29 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  ^ Sounds like good ole fashioned romance to me.

It may just be, but do you think it's a good thing to have in this day and age ?

I say.. Yes.

I have a "good ole fashioned romance" around once a year and it is always very enjoyable. (until it ends)

We all need a little intimacy sometimes.