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OregonToSoCal 路 2015-03-26 13:33:00 路 #5026
(03-26-2015 12:56 PM)Giovonny Wrote: I am organizing all my best posts into a sort of "best of" or "greatest hits".
My first book -- "The Best of Giovonny: How a Middle Aged Man Taught himself to Bang Hot College Girls" -- should be available later this year!
Write a book and I will be the first one in line to buy it. Just tell me what PayPal account to send the money to.
BlurredSevens 路 2015-03-26 13:44:00 路 #5027
(03-26-2015 12:56 PM)Giovonny Wrote: My first book -- "The Best of Giovonny: How a Middle Aged Man Taught himself to Bang Hot College Girls" -- should be available later this year!
(that is not the real title, it's just a rough idea)
*****
Hahah yes!
I'm cracking up picturing myself walking into a Barnes & Noble, and asking if they have any books about banging hot college girls. "Why yes sir, right this way!"
In all seriousness, I'm glad to hear you are compiling your best stuff! You have a unique methodology and perspective, and at first it didn't make much sense to me. But as I've progressed myself and continued to read your posts, I think you have a lot to offer to men in this community, and beyond.
Keep us in the loop on your progress!
kaotic 路 2015-03-26 14:33:00 路 #5028
(03-26-2015 12:56 PM)Giovonny Wrote: I say.. Yes.
I have a "good ole fashioned romance" around once a year and it is always very enjoyable. (until it ends)
We all need a little intimacy sometimes.
I agree also, in the year and some odd months I've this LTR it's been enjoyable, admittedly I'm weary of what could happen.
I'm definitely intimate with her, I typically have the best sex with her.
Like I've said before, banging and chasing other girls keeps me sane and straight on the path of my LTR.
I had a strong feeling you'd agree with me Gio, you seem like a pretty positive spirit on this forum, as gay as this sounds, you sound like you love life in general, the player of love lol.
Dalaran1991 路 2015-03-26 15:18:00 路 #5029
RockHard 路 2015-03-26 15:29:00 路 #5030
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OregonToSoCal 路 2015-03-26 15:37:00 路 #5031
(03-26-2015 02:33 PM)kaotic Wrote: I had a strong feeling you'd agree with me Gio, you seem like a pretty positive spirit on this forum, as gay as this sounds, you sound like you love life in general, the player of love lol.
If you haven't already I would strongly suggest to check out Gio's interview on Christian McQueen's podcast. He's very much a positive, easy going dude. Someone you'd just enjoy hanging out and having a beer with. I know it's this chill vibe that allows him to be so successful with women. Very disarming and fun but the heart of an assassin lurks below
B-Nut 路 2015-03-26 16:13:00 路 #5032
(03-26-2015 06:49 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote: Describe this gangster chick look, doesn't sound too attractive..
Exaggerating a bit, she is just not the type I usually go on dates with....I mean smoke a blunt on a first date who does that. She's got tattoos, hispanic, goes clubbing at the rap/hip hop type of places, etc....not my type for a relationship but just wanted a bang
It's all making sense for me now of where this went wrong.
She made a comment on the date "white guys who dress nice like you" don't approach me.
That's not true, what she is saying is "White guys don't escalate hardcore enough to get me attracted like the bad boy punks do."
Another interesting thing is this is the only girl who has ignored a message to me online and then I got a date with. I actually felt like online text game mattered. She wrote a paragraph then went cold after I responded, and I had to follow up by calling her a brat. Then she replied "oh yeah I do have manners, here's my #"
~wrIghter~ 路 2015-03-26 17:10:00 路 #5033
(03-26-2015 04:13 PM)B-Nut Wrote:(03-26-2015 06:49 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote: Describe this gangster chick look, doesn't sound too attractive..
Exaggerating a bit, she is just not the type I usually go on dates with....I mean smoke a blunt on a first date who does that. She's got tattoos, hispanic, goes clubbing at the rap/hip hop type of places, etc....not my type for a relationship but just wanted a bang
It's all making sense for me now of where this went wrong.
She made a comment on the date "white guys who dress nice like you" don't approach me.
That's not true, what she is saying is "White guys don't escalate hardcore enough to get me attracted like the bad boy punks do."
Another interesting thing is this is the only girl who has ignored a message to me online and then I got a date with. I actually felt like online text game mattered. She wrote a paragraph then went cold after I responded, and I had to follow up by calling her a brat. Then she replied "oh yeah I do have manners, here's my #"
Haha, yea. Sometimes you have to provoke them with something lol.
kaotic 路 2015-03-26 17:19:00 路 #5034
(03-26-2015 03:37 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote: If you haven't already I would strongly suggest to check out Gio's interview on Christian McQueen's podcast. He's very much a positive, easy going dude. Someone you'd just enjoy hanging out and having a beer with. I know it's this chill vibe that allows him to be so successful with women. Very disarming and fun but the heart of an assassin lurks below
Already did, finding about his dad and his history was crazy, you can feel the energy in his interview.
I gotta make my way up to SF again and meet him.
kaotic 路 2015-03-26 18:41:00 路 #5035
So I banged The Slut Plate last night, used a harder whip on her.
Didn't do a follow up text or text her this morning.
She texted me an hour ago saying "my ass is still marked and red"
That was a fast response.
I'm gonna let this sit, see if she texts me again.
Didn't do a follow up text or text her this morning.
She texted me an hour ago saying "my ass is still marked and red"
That was a fast response.
I'm gonna let this sit, see if she texts me again.
robreke 路 2015-03-27 01:40:00 路 #5036
I am so glad I got flaked on by the first chick tonight. I posted here earlier:
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-46186-...#pid988164
The 'double booked' girl was half Puerto rican. 23. Real cute. Give her a 6.5 face at least. Probably an 8 body and I'd go as far as an 8.5 ass. Real booty on this girl. She was in the junior Olympics for track and had a track girls ass for days...
I met her online too and met her for drinks tonight at my hotel bar.
Two drinks then upstairs to my "room with a view" and the heavy make out ensued. I couldn't get the bang though because she said she wasn't doing "hanky panky" on the first date. Probably the best BJ of my life though. She didn't stop til it was done.
Before she left she said, "I want to see you tomorrow. I didn't want to bring it up, but I had to pee and that's why I didn't want hanky panky. I thought it would ruin the mood."
I told her "by all means, next time bring it up...I can wait for you to pee" She laughed.
I'm in town here til Monday so looking forward to seeing her again. I have other dates lined up with other girls on different nights. So, if those flake, it seems pretty likely I can line something up with Ms. Puerto Rico again. Of course, I want to see her again anyway for.....dat ass!
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-46186-...#pid988164
The 'double booked' girl was half Puerto rican. 23. Real cute. Give her a 6.5 face at least. Probably an 8 body and I'd go as far as an 8.5 ass. Real booty on this girl. She was in the junior Olympics for track and had a track girls ass for days...
I met her online too and met her for drinks tonight at my hotel bar.
Two drinks then upstairs to my "room with a view" and the heavy make out ensued. I couldn't get the bang though because she said she wasn't doing "hanky panky" on the first date. Probably the best BJ of my life though. She didn't stop til it was done.
Before she left she said, "I want to see you tomorrow. I didn't want to bring it up, but I had to pee and that's why I didn't want hanky panky. I thought it would ruin the mood."
I told her "by all means, next time bring it up...I can wait for you to pee" She laughed.
I'm in town here til Monday so looking forward to seeing her again. I have other dates lined up with other girls on different nights. So, if those flake, it seems pretty likely I can line something up with Ms. Puerto Rico again. Of course, I want to see her again anyway for.....dat ass!
kaotic 路 2015-03-27 10:52:00 路 #5037
Well look at you Rob, good shit !
Try not reacting to flakes, however at least you got her hamster spinning.
Hopefully we see this fine piece of ass in the I Just Had Sex thread !
Try not reacting to flakes, however at least you got her hamster spinning.
Hopefully we see this fine piece of ass in the I Just Had Sex thread !
DonnyGately 路 2015-03-27 16:20:00 路 #5038
I will buy one of Gio's books for every room in my house. Go Gio Go!!
DarianFrey 路 2015-03-27 16:23:00 路 #5039
Just had a weird "first".
Invited a Tinder girl over for drinks tonight at beginning of the week. 7, 20 y/o, smartly dressed, works sales. Curvy.
We're vibing like crazy from the start. She's doing most of the talking.
I just sit back, repeating back what she's saying using my words, progressing kino at certain points. She reciprocates.
Make-out at around one and a half hours. I pull back first and resume convo. She says she loves my lips. I'm thinking this is in the bag.
Her phone's been going off constantly while she's at my place. Apparently she's got plans with work (going out) and her dad's picking her up. She's alluded to having these plans during our convo.
I act cool of course and we make out some more. She sits back, looks at me for a while and suggests drinks at an upscale lounge next Saturday. Her treat.
I accept of course. Blah blah, make out and eventually she leaves. She almost left something valuable of hers at my place, hadn't I got it for her before she left (I hate having random stuff laying around).
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I'm just wondering if any of you guys have had this happen to you?
This feels like it could be some kind of soft rejection by making a smooth exit, or it could be a genuine desire to meet again. Thing is, why come straight over for the "first" date; did she expect to be banged within 30 minutes? I'm not at that point in my game yet!
Now that I've had time to reflect, here are some tells that could indicate I could have been very aggressive in escalating:
- She sat down on my bed first thing (other girls have chosen chairs)
- She's the first to talk about sex (I don't wholly chomp on this bait)
- Lot of cleavage, "showing off" by leaning in a way that gives me view
I want to bang this chick, feels like I missed an open goal tonight! How would you guys proceed from here?
Invited a Tinder girl over for drinks tonight at beginning of the week. 7, 20 y/o, smartly dressed, works sales. Curvy.
We're vibing like crazy from the start. She's doing most of the talking.
I just sit back, repeating back what she's saying using my words, progressing kino at certain points. She reciprocates.
Make-out at around one and a half hours. I pull back first and resume convo. She says she loves my lips. I'm thinking this is in the bag.
Her phone's been going off constantly while she's at my place. Apparently she's got plans with work (going out) and her dad's picking her up. She's alluded to having these plans during our convo.
I act cool of course and we make out some more. She sits back, looks at me for a while and suggests drinks at an upscale lounge next Saturday. Her treat.
I accept of course. Blah blah, make out and eventually she leaves. She almost left something valuable of hers at my place, hadn't I got it for her before she left (I hate having random stuff laying around).
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I'm just wondering if any of you guys have had this happen to you?
This feels like it could be some kind of soft rejection by making a smooth exit, or it could be a genuine desire to meet again. Thing is, why come straight over for the "first" date; did she expect to be banged within 30 minutes? I'm not at that point in my game yet!
Now that I've had time to reflect, here are some tells that could indicate I could have been very aggressive in escalating:
- She sat down on my bed first thing (other girls have chosen chairs)
- She's the first to talk about sex (I don't wholly chomp on this bait)
- Lot of cleavage, "showing off" by leaning in a way that gives me view
I want to bang this chick, feels like I missed an open goal tonight! How would you guys proceed from here?
~wrIghter~ 路 2015-03-27 16:41:00 路 #5040
^^
Sounds like she was DTF from the IOIs you pointed out. Hopefully the next date is a sure thing. Best bet is to keep spinning plates.
Sounds like she was DTF from the IOIs you pointed out. Hopefully the next date is a sure thing. Best bet is to keep spinning plates.
DarianFrey 路 2015-03-27 16:52:00 路 #5041
Yeah... Best way to see a chick again is to fuck her ASAP, as the mantra around here goes.
Let this be a learning lesson in recognising signs to speed up escalation.
We'll see if she contacts me again. I'm not doing it this time around.
Stupid little power play but it feels like I have this weakness in my game; losing these "little" power struggles. I'm usually the one to contact after a date, bang etc.
Let this be a learning lesson in recognising signs to speed up escalation.
We'll see if she contacts me again. I'm not doing it this time around.
Stupid little power play but it feels like I have this weakness in my game; losing these "little" power struggles. I'm usually the one to contact after a date, bang etc.
BlurredSevens 路 2015-03-27 17:26:00 路 #5042
(03-27-2015 04:23 PM)DarianFrey Wrote: I'm just wondering if any of you guys have had this happen to you?
This feels like it could be some kind of soft rejection by making a smooth exit, or it could be a genuine desire to meet again. Thing is, why come straight over for the "first" date; did she expect to be banged within 30 minutes? I'm not at that point in my game yet!
Now that I've had time to reflect, here are some tells that could indicate I could have been very aggressive in escalating:
- She sat down on my bed first thing (other girls have chosen chairs)
- She's the first to talk about sex (I don't wholly chomp on this bait)
- Lot of cleavage, "showing off" by leaning in a way that gives me view
I want to bang this chick, feels like I missed an open goal tonight! How would you guys proceed from here?
Nah man, sounds like you played this cool as a cucumber. I wouldn't worry about it.
The fact that she suggested a future meetup at a specific place is a very good sign. Meetup with her again and proceed as normal!
She probably came over because she liked you and was attracted to you. When she realized you were a chill guy and good at kissing, she instinctively knew that she should tease things out and bang on the second or third date. In other words she saw you as a "keeper" rather than just a ONS.
Nothing wrong with that at all. Some might consider it a compliment. I know the feeling of thinking that you just "lost out" and I know that feeling sucks. But, honestly, it sounds like you played it right.
Now, don't act too cool by not texting her! You have got to follow up with her, man. She gave you a lead and she wants you to follow it.
Remember: girls like to be chased. It's really fun for them. The trick is to push and pull, and give her just enough so that she keeps coming back for more.
Let us know how it goes!
kaotic 路 2015-03-27 17:44:00 路 #5043
(03-27-2015 04:23 PM)DarianFrey Wrote: Just had a weird "first".
Invited a Tinder girl over for drinks tonight at beginning of the week. 7, 20 y/o, smartly dressed, works sales. Curvy.
We're vibing like crazy from the start. She's doing most of the talking.
I just sit back, repeating back what she's saying using my words, progressing kino at certain points. She reciprocates.
So far so good, standard playbook.
Make-out at around one and a half hours. I pull back first and resume convo. She says she loves my lips. I'm thinking this is in the bag.
Why did you pull back ? What made you stop ? Why didn't you fully escalate ?
When she said she loved your lips it means "I still want to makeout with you"
Her phone's been going off constantly while she's at my place. Apparently she's got plans with work (going out) and her dad's picking her up. She's alluded to having these plans during our convo.
You should've put her phone away for her "let's put that away" -put her phone away- -start making out again-
You knew she had plans, you should realize your window to bang is short then.
I act cool of course and we make out some more. She sits back, looks at me for a while and suggests drinks at an upscale lounge next Saturday. Her treat.
Why did you stop making out again ? Why haven't you started playing with her ass or tits ? Biting her neck ? Testing the waters by putting your hand underneath her shirt ? Rubbing her pussy over her bottoms ? Why aren't you trying to caveman her to your bedroom or on the couch ?
Her actions are yelling are we going to fuck or not !? Once she realized her time was up and had to go she's dropping a hint that she wants to fuck next time.
I accept of course. Blah blah, make out and eventually she leaves. She almost left something valuable of hers at my place, hadn't I got it for her before she left (I hate having random stuff laying around).
Dude she's still staying around making out, she "almost" left something at your place AKA she wants to leave it on purpose to see you again.
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I'm just wondering if any of you guys have had this happen to you?
This feels like it could be some kind of soft rejection by making a smooth exit, or it could be a genuine desire to meet again. Thing is, why come straight over for the "first" date; did she expect to be banged within 30 minutes? I'm not at that point in my game yet!
NO this isn't a soft rejection, however she might see you as not worthy (this isn't personal, just on your actions), since you didn't go for the fuck, obviously it's 50/50 you'll see her again.
YES !! She CAME OVER to your HOUSE on the FIRST DATE !!
YES !! All the signs were there she wanted to fuck.
Now that I've had time to reflect, here are some tells that could indicate I could have been very aggressive in escalating:
- She sat down on my bed first thing (other girls have chosen chairs)
- She's the first to talk about sex (I don't wholly chomp on this bait)
- Lot of cleavage, "showing off" by leaning in a way that gives me view
I want to bang this chick, feels like I missed an open goal tonight! How would you guys proceed from here?
Hindsight is 20/20 I'm glad you're seeing the signs, YES you could've been every aggressive and fucked her. She knew EXACTLY why she was coming over.
This was pussy being thrown at you, you didn't read all the signs and know the score. Despite this you played things for the most part non chalant.
This story pains me because it reminded of fucking up with a hot latin 8 MILF I never EVER saw again.
You want to fuck her ? Strike while the iron is hot. Get her to come over again ASAP (but NOT in a thirsty way).
The signs seems to show she'll see you again and you'll bang.
I hope to see a write up in the I Just Had Sex Thread !!
DarianFrey 路 2015-03-27 18:07:00 路 #5044
BlurredSevens and kaotic; Damn! That's some thorough and solid feedback. Gratitude!
Alright. Plan is seal the date and then get her back to mine or hers. Just keep doing what I've done up to this point.
I want this partly because the place she suggested is the only real flush place in town. Haven't been there yet.
And I want to experience the feeling of a cool chick spending dime on me on a date. Hah!
We'll see how it goes! Like Blurred said a couple of posts back, right now I'm just happy to be having these interactions with fly girls. I just get stuck over-analyzing and being supremely self-critical when it doesn't play like I expect it too.
Will report back. Thanks for setting me straight guys.
Alright. Plan is seal the date and then get her back to mine or hers. Just keep doing what I've done up to this point.
I want this partly because the place she suggested is the only real flush place in town. Haven't been there yet.
And I want to experience the feeling of a cool chick spending dime on me on a date. Hah!
We'll see how it goes! Like Blurred said a couple of posts back, right now I'm just happy to be having these interactions with fly girls. I just get stuck over-analyzing and being supremely self-critical when it doesn't play like I expect it too.
Will report back. Thanks for setting me straight guys.
DarianFrey 路 2015-03-27 18:09:00 路 #5045
Also kaotic, have you posted the story of the latina MILF here? Got a bit curious!
kaotic 路 2015-03-27 18:17:00 路 #5046
(03-27-2015 06:09 PM)DarianFrey Wrote: Also kaotic, have you posted the story of the latina MILF here? Got a bit curious!
Anytime, I expect anyone on here to give honest straight up critiques and advice also.
Sure do, wrote a date sheet on it and had the gents on here critique me, tell me how I fucked up and what I needed to of done.
All the signs were there, an extremely valuable lesson learned.
Postmortem Review - Analyze this date
OregonToSoCal 路 2015-03-27 18:44:00 路 #5047
Kaotic, would Darien's approach have been appropriate if the girl had been giving LMR or indicated that she was hesitant about moving forward? I remember in your field report of the young latina you started making out with her and then specifically said something about wanting to test for LMR. When she didn't give any you ran right for the end zone.
When I have a woman back at my place for the first time and we're sitting on my loveseat I'll kiss her lightly, pull away briefly where we take a sip of our drinks and then I'm back at it seconds later. From there it's really up to her as to how far we go on that first pass. It's when she starts resisting that I get into trouble and lose my frame (which I'm working on from reading these field reports) however I don't see any resistance from her in Darien's post.
So the correct play would have been to push forward until she either A) She resisted OR B) He banged her. Correct?
When I have a woman back at my place for the first time and we're sitting on my loveseat I'll kiss her lightly, pull away briefly where we take a sip of our drinks and then I'm back at it seconds later. From there it's really up to her as to how far we go on that first pass. It's when she starts resisting that I get into trouble and lose my frame (which I'm working on from reading these field reports) however I don't see any resistance from her in Darien's post.
So the correct play would have been to push forward until she either A) She resisted OR B) He banged her. Correct?
OregonToSoCal 路 2015-03-27 18:52:00 路 #5048
(03-27-2015 06:17 PM)kaotic Wrote:(03-27-2015 06:09 PM)DarianFrey Wrote: Also kaotic, have you posted the story of the latina MILF here? Got a bit curious!
Anytime, I expect anyone on here to give honest straight up critiques and advice also.
Sure do, wrote a date sheet on it and had the gents on here critique me, tell me how I fucked up and what I needed to of done.
All the signs were there, an extremely valuable lesson learned.
Postmortem Review - Analyze this date
I went back and read your field report and remember when you wrote it the first time around. I had two situations like that happen over the last 3 weeks with identical outcomes as this one. I escalated as hard as I could, they resisted, this happened multiple times and finally I got the "I need to leave".
Now that you had some time to reflect on that night how could you have done anything differently?
B-Nut 路 2015-03-28 02:42:00 路 #5049
Oregon
when they resist do you re-initiate ? exactly how far do you get when you escalate
With a ho in your house it's usually two things - either she is shit testing you to see your escalation perseverance so she can become more attracted or she is really concerned you view her as a piece of meat only and will cum and dump. The problem is these two are diametrically opposed and sometimes you aren't sure which shit test it is. You have to balance it out.
Common advice is that if a ho is inside your house, and on her own free will to do so, that the standard is too escalate.
but I do know someone who had a cold approach girl invite him back to her house and once there he made out with her, kept trying to escalate the whole time. She wouldn't bang and then stopped answering his texts. After several texts and no answer, she finally did text back and they met up and she banged him. But she told him before they met again she didn't feel like he valued her enough except for sex.
-I'm struggling with this right now. Had a single mom tramp stamp come over to my house for a first date (she brought wine and weed), and when I tried to escalate she stopped me before even a kiss, said she won't put out till she's married. I ignored re-escalated again and she was much more agreeable and then told me to "pull up her shirt", I did started feeling her skin up, and then she bolted and said don't call me again.......all kinds of wtf on that date.
when they resist do you re-initiate ? exactly how far do you get when you escalate
With a ho in your house it's usually two things - either she is shit testing you to see your escalation perseverance so she can become more attracted or she is really concerned you view her as a piece of meat only and will cum and dump. The problem is these two are diametrically opposed and sometimes you aren't sure which shit test it is. You have to balance it out.
Common advice is that if a ho is inside your house, and on her own free will to do so, that the standard is too escalate.
but I do know someone who had a cold approach girl invite him back to her house and once there he made out with her, kept trying to escalate the whole time. She wouldn't bang and then stopped answering his texts. After several texts and no answer, she finally did text back and they met up and she banged him. But she told him before they met again she didn't feel like he valued her enough except for sex.
-I'm struggling with this right now. Had a single mom tramp stamp come over to my house for a first date (she brought wine and weed), and when I tried to escalate she stopped me before even a kiss, said she won't put out till she's married. I ignored re-escalated again and she was much more agreeable and then told me to "pull up her shirt", I did started feeling her skin up, and then she bolted and said don't call me again.......all kinds of wtf on that date.
-g- 路 2015-03-28 09:07:00 路 #5050
I'm on a war path, my confidence is through the roof and I'm connecting with woman instantly when I am out.. A lot of it is due to studying/reading the good stuff people post here on RVF. Thanks again guys.
Went to a bar and saw a group of 4 girls (year ago I couldn't do group approaches) and approached them all. Cheers with drinks, said they looked like fun, what's the occasion tonight etc. The one I pick is hammered, later to find out fucked up on Xanax... So blacked out and I doubt her friends knew. So they leave us alone (2 of the girls said we were perfect for each other, and I could watch Her bc I seem trustworthy) and 10 mins later we are making out, got the number and she's feeling on me. One of her friends is having a bitch fest, wants to go and then 4 she Devils come in and literally take this girl out of the bar. One said she would put a good word in for me, not that it matters... Any advice on how to handle this in the future?? We did talk about going to her place and my place right before the girls came and took her.
Ended up hitting the dance floor shortly after and got another girls number who was DD for the night. She accidentally put in a 8 at first and I texted that number too. Ended up being some HB hooters girl in The town I'm going to move to next week.. She lives down the st from my future appt. Weird coincidence.
Went to a bar and saw a group of 4 girls (year ago I couldn't do group approaches) and approached them all. Cheers with drinks, said they looked like fun, what's the occasion tonight etc. The one I pick is hammered, later to find out fucked up on Xanax... So blacked out and I doubt her friends knew. So they leave us alone (2 of the girls said we were perfect for each other, and I could watch Her bc I seem trustworthy) and 10 mins later we are making out, got the number and she's feeling on me. One of her friends is having a bitch fest, wants to go and then 4 she Devils come in and literally take this girl out of the bar. One said she would put a good word in for me, not that it matters... Any advice on how to handle this in the future?? We did talk about going to her place and my place right before the girls came and took her.
Ended up hitting the dance floor shortly after and got another girls number who was DD for the night. She accidentally put in a 8 at first and I texted that number too. Ended up being some HB hooters girl in The town I'm going to move to next week.. She lives down the st from my future appt. Weird coincidence.