Post: #476

Has anyone done this Internationally?

Ie Mexico, Canada, France, Spain etc?

Post: #477

Dispatches from the SA front........

My theory that some of these girls are doing this because they're turned on by the thought of being submissive to an authority figure is being confirmed

Several of the girls are repeatedly referring to me as "Sir" in their texts

One told me that she loved to be dominated in bed

Another, when I straight up told her I am dominant in bed but wouldn't actually hurt her, she responded that she really only liked rough sex not the gentle type, and she 'liked the pain" and liked to have her hair pulled, spanking, and choking. She said she was also interested in exploring bondage and discipline.

If you lay the law down to these girls most respond positively. One actually asked me for my Facebook! I said hell no and I would not tolerate any attempt to pry into my life. She apologized saying that she just wanted to see pics of me (even though i had sent her several) I thought "Bitch please, do you think I'm stupid?" She was obviously trying to find out who I am and what I have. I'll have to watch her....

Another, 19, one asked me if I could "help her out" before we met. I told her no, that I don't even know if I would like her and that I'm not a chump who's going to be her ATM or a guy looking for a hooker. She backed off but she's on my shit list too

Another one-the third, I think, told me she wouldn't have sex right away-what do you guys think should I drop them or is this just the anti-slut defense talking?-I guess it wouldn't hurt to meet them

I did meet my first two SA girls last night. I had a little time so I figured why not try it even though I had not intentions of actually trying to bang them due to some circumstances.

The first girl was an artsy hipster type (a niche of mine) Lots of tattoos, mid 20s ,very pretty, and smart. Met her at a large beach bar and we hit it off right away. She had been enthusiastic about meeting and kept saying she would make herself available whenever I wanted to meet. Had a great conversation

This girl was very red pill- she said men get better looking with age and women start declining at 30 which she was afraid of. Kept running down the many cougars in the bar. Said that she wanted a "manly man" and said guys around her age were "pussies". She has two jobs, so she's not desperate. I asked her twice what she was looking for and she said she didn't know. As a test, I dangled a shopping trip out there and she really didn't bite-I wanted to she if she would jump on it to test if she was hiding her intentions. Toward the end of the conversation she said that she was really doing this "for the thrill". Had heard about SA on a TV program and figured she would try it. I think this girl is on SA just because she wants to meet a dynamic, dominant older guy that she can submit to. She said she can be a bitch sometimes and I told her if she's bitchy to me I would have no problem putting the smackdown on her. She just grinned shyly. Had a nice kiss in the parking lot. Texted me several times this morning before I answered.

Second meeting-not so good. After I left the bar I went to a nearby strip club where this girl was working. She had kept pestering me to come see her. About 20, very cute face and fine body with lots of tattoos. But the typical stripper-dumb, low class and boring. Kept bringing up money. I'm sure she would want money up front. Texted her this morning and told her I just didn't feel a connection with her and good luck

Post: #478

Unless you are looking for an ongoing "paid relationship", I would avoid continually bringing up what arrangement she might be interested in.

Some of them simply want to be with a "provider" bf and/or an older, mature man. Someone that can actually afford to do nice and fun things versus dining at McDonald's. Continually bringing up what arrangement she is looking for could very well turn off these particular girls.

I never bring up any arrangement myself. Simply game them like they are off of OKC or something and see where things go.

The ones that are looking for an arrangement hard core will bring it up without any prodding from you.

Post: #479

yeah I see your point

The reason I was doing it is this-I have to pay for hotel rooms and I would hate to get a pricy room at a nice hotel and then be hit with a last minute demand for cash. My thinking was I would try to smoke them out first so I could dump them.

I have been surprised that only two girls have said anything specific-the stripper I discussed above and a hot 18 year old who wants a per occasion payment. The rest have said they just don't know and as you've said it seems they're looking for nice evenings out and some gifts and some maybe a bit of help with bills.

maybe I'll just lay back and not ask unless they start asking first as you've suggested

Post: #480

I've never been hit by a last minute demand for cash.

Seriously, the meets go pretty much just like ones from POF or OKC for me.

As I have said earlier in the thread though, I do screen them before ever meeting. It'll usually come out if they are more about the arrangement than anything else.

If that is the case I either nuke them with the "transactional relationship" line or if I'm not feeling it just next them.

I've converted several by blowing them up with "I'm not looking for a hooker" and/or saying "Have you ever seen the girlfriend of a wealthy man driving a shitty car?" This keeps them away from the arrangement discussion which should never come before you have been balls deep.

Get them OFF the arrangement angle, not on it. Make them prove they are worthy of YOU. You are the prize. Not them.

By constantly bringing up the arrangement you are showing you feel you are not worthy of her without some extra juice going her way.

Be dominant and in command and most of these girls will melt in my experience.

And I mean both in public and private. I can't think of one of these girls that didn't relish being dominated in bed. Hair pulling, spanking, choking, pounded through the mattress, etc.

They love it.

Post: #481

I still don't know if I'm doing well or not on this site. I'm at 4 dates 0 bangs now. Few of the girls have flaked too so now I'm getting a bit discouraged. Still, I'm not spending any money really so I can't complain and overall hotter girls and less money than traditional dates.

The 19yo that I met up with and was about to bang but she had to go (won't say why because it may give it away, but she had to be home at a certain time), is now flaking. Last night I had a date with 2 18yo girls that just came straight to my place and we drank and smoked but they abruptly had to leave for some random excuse before I could try anything (though they want to hang out again). That's unusual in itself and I was caught offguard because wasn't sure how to pull a move with two girls there, though I shoulda just went for it.

Regardless still huge thanks to Hotwheels and everyone else here. I'm still going to try it for this month and see if anything happens.

Post: #482

The simplest way I can put it is this;

They are girls. Game them.

SA is just a much higher quality OKC.

Screen-meet-bang

You guys are making it harder for some reason.

Post: #483

We have met.

You look too young, go buy some fake hair dye. You have my contact feel free to ask privately
Won't say more than that.

(05-13-2013 07:51 PM)slubu Wrote:  I still don't know if I'm doing well or not on this site. I'm at 4 dates 0 bangs now. Few of the girls have flaked too so now I'm getting a bit discouraged. Still, I'm not spending any money really so I can't complain and overall hotter girls and less money than traditional dates.

The 19yo that I met up with and was about to bang but she had to go (won't say why because it may give it away, but she had to be home at a certain time), is now flaking. Last night I had a date with 2 18yo girls that just came straight to my place and we drank and smoked but they abruptly had to leave for some random excuse before I could try anything (though they want to hang out again). That's unusual in itself and I was caught offguard because wasn't sure how to pull a move with two girls there, though I shoulda just went for it.

Regardless still huge thanks to Hotwheels and everyone else here. I'm still going to try it for this month and see if anything happens.

Post: #484

Checked out the site some more tonight and saw it has a decent size international crowd. I noticed most of the western world was represented with nice talent.

Post: #485

this is common sense, but good advice for screening on this site (or other similar)...get them early. if they signed up months ago it's much tougher.

I'm in tight enough with this girl I've been seeing, that she gave me a run down on others she went out with. I would say anyone on RVF has a huge advantage. use it.

Post: #486

(05-13-2013 07:51 PM)slubu Wrote:  I still don't know if I'm doing well or not on this site. I'm at 4 dates 0 bangs now. Few of the girls have flaked too so now I'm getting a bit discouraged. Still, I'm not spending any money really so I can't complain and overall hotter girls and less money than traditional dates.

My advice if you look young. Carry a bunch of 100$ in your pocket. Keep it low key, but buy something small with it...a round of drinks, etc. they will notice. let them know you seem serious. "I have money and will spend it on those who are worth it"

Post: #487

Am I really seeing this guys? Is the penny starting to drop?

Gold diggers are actually turned on by fucking men with money, not just the money itself?
Women are attracted to men who may have money?
Some women will drop their panties in a heartbeat for guys who have money?
Fewer hoops to jump through when they think you are high value?
Women are hotter on average because the uglies know they stand little chance?
Women act like whores for free shit?
Paying for a dinner can help and not kill your chances?
Just them thinking you have cash makes them wet?

Lol, for a long time on this forum I have been bashing my head against guys who are insistent that money means nothing and game is all that matters. Most of the time its coming from guys who are broke or guys who have friends with an upper middle class income that are hopeless with women. Are you chaps starting to understand what game and bit of cash leads to now? Combined with being in some sort of shape, and you paint yourself as top 1% from the get go. No need to DHV, peacock, neg or any of that bullshit. You are high status already in that bitches eyes.

Do you guys see how much easier it is? Do you see how much more pleasant women are and how much harder they try?

I dont even use this approach where I allude to spending money on them or sponsoring them at all. You actually dont need to. They latch on anyway, which is something you are all seeing as you wonder why these women are prepared to fuck for nothing if they like you even though they found you on a gold digger/whore site. Goldiggers are al about the honeytrap

This is a great shortcut that you guys are working, but I hope its an eye opener to a few of you now too. Welcome to real status, not the fake status a bit of bravado and a few game techniques offers.

Im just going to leave these here

I have been trying to tell you guys this for ages 1
I have been trying to tell you guys this for ages 2
Sugar daddy overview 1
Sugar Daddy overview 2

Post: #488

You mean I shouldn't spend my time faking my way through life with a measly $10k in the bank?

Blasphemy.

(05-13-2013 10:10 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  Am I really seeing this guys? Is the penny starting to drop?

Gold diggers are actually turned on by fucking men with money, not just the money itself?
Women are attracted to men who may have money?
Some women will drop their panties in a heartbeat for guys who have money?
Fewer hoops to jump through when they think you are high value?
Women are hotter on average because the uglies know they stand little chance?
Women act like whores for free shit?
Paying for a dinner can help and not kill your chances?
Just them thinking you have cash makes them wet?

Lol, for a long time on this forum I have been bashing my head against guys who are insistent that money means nothing and game is all that matters. Most of the time its coming from guys who are broke or guys who have friends with an upper middle class income that are hopeless with women. Are you chaps starting to understand what game and bit of cash leads to now? Combined with being in some sort of shape, and you paint yourself as top 1% from the get go. No need to DHV, peacock, neg or any of that bullshit. You are high status already in that bitches eyes.

Do you guys see how much easier it is? Do you see how much more pleasant women are and how much harder they try?

I dont even use this approach where I allude to spending money on them or sponsoring them at all. You actually dont need to. They latch on anyway, which is something you are all seeing as you wonder why these women are prepared to fuck for nothing if they like you even though they found you on a gold digger/whore site. Goldiggers are al about the honeytrap

This is a great shortcut that you guys are working, but I hope its an eye opener to a few of you now too. Welcome to real status, not the fake status a bit of bravado and a few game techniques offers.

Im just going to leave these here

I have been trying to tell you guys this for ages 1
I have been trying to tell you guys this for ages 2
Sugar daddy overview 1
Sugar Daddy overview 2

Post: #489

Look Ill be honest, even I am a bit surprised that the bitches from SeekingArrangement are putting out for very little. I actually would have thought it would have been more transactional from the get go. Gold diggers use the honey trap to keep their cock and wallet, they dont tend to negotiate with it upfront like a hooker. It just confirms to be that this sort of behavior is so ingrained in women, and it also shows that western women are just as capable as South American, Eastern European and Asian women when it comes to the sponsor thing.

This shit transcends cultures, which means its ingrained, natural behavior they are all capable of.

What also seems to be happening though is that women are using it as a filter. Just like they avoid the dive bars, they are now avoiding the dive online dating sites. SeekingArrangement and sugar baby sites could become the upmarket nightclub with bottle service and free drugs if you have big tits and smoke pole.

Post: #490

(05-13-2013 10:10 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  Do you guys see how much easier it is? Do you see how much more pleasant women are and how much harder they try?

You aren't kidding. I've been shocked at how so many of the young hot girls I've been in contact with-the sort who are normally bitchy and standoffish- have been so nice, so compliant, so accepting of me telling them what the rules are going to be, have been texting me when they haven't heard from me for a day or two trying to get my attention. It's a different world.

Brother, I have seen the light!

Post: #491

This thing has completely changed my life. That's all I have to say really. If you're dropping more than a few hundred bucks on bangs, you're wasting your time.

Slubu if you read this, you should switch to college day game and using SA game for travel. I ran the numbers like a complete excel dork and it's incredibly high ROP (return on pussy). You need to have two personas 1) the college party guy because looking young is a benefit for that game, 2) provider guy, change outfit look older.

That's really all that needs to be run in the USA. Western dating is entirely fucked.

Post: #492

I've always known the appeal of gold diggers. But just remember - when the money's gone, she's gone.

Post: #493

(05-13-2013 11:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I've always known the appeal of gold diggers. But just remember - when the money's gone, she's gone.

You think most women will stay with a broke man forever?

Post: #494

(05-13-2013 11:36 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 11:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I've always known the appeal of gold diggers. But just remember - when the money's gone, she's gone.

You think most women will stay with a broke man forever?

You don't pay them to stay. You pay them to leave.

This is how the game is played at old age. Keep costs as low as possible, don't have a baby good to go.

Edit: meant to quote Sam only, whatever on mobile as usual.

Post: #495

(05-13-2013 11:07 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  This thing has completely changed my life. That's all I have to say really. If you're dropping more than a few hundred bucks on bangs, you're wasting your time.

Slubu if you read this, you should switch to college day game and using SA game for travel. I ran the numbers like a complete excel dork and it's incredibly high ROP (return on pussy). You need to have two personas 1) the college party guy because looking young is a benefit for that game, 2) provider guy, change outfit look older.

That's really all that needs to be run in the USA. Western dating is entirely fucked.

I'll clarify a bit and say even though I'm 0/4 in bangs I'm still having a great time on these dates. Last night when those 2 18yos came over and tried champagne for the first time I was really loving it. They were talking about how they wish they could afford something that was 200 bucks and that they'd have to save for a year to do so.

WC I completely agree with you. I've lost all my desire to go out and actively game at night anymore.

Harry, I very much so understand what you are saying. However I've never had access like this. Especially in a place like LA it's not easy to stand out as a man with means. This is a backdoor to the intro and then you can run game as usual.

Post: #496

(05-13-2013 11:47 PM)slubu Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 11:07 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  This thing has completely changed my life. That's all I have to say really. If you're dropping more than a few hundred bucks on bangs, you're wasting your time.

Slubu if you read this, you should switch to college day game and using SA game for travel. I ran the numbers like a complete excel dork and it's incredibly high ROP (return on pussy). You need to have two personas 1) the college party guy because looking young is a benefit for that game, 2) provider guy, change outfit look older.

That's really all that needs to be run in the USA. Western dating is entirely fucked.

I'll clarify a bit and say even though I'm 0/4 in bangs I'm still having a great time on these dates. Last night when those 2 18yos came over and tried champagne for the first time I was really loving it. They were talking about how they wish they could afford something that was 200 bucks and that they'd have to save for a year to do so.

WC I completely agree with you. I've lost all my desire to go out and actively game at night anymore.

Harry, I very much so understand what you are saying. However I've never had access like this. Especially in a place like LA it's not easy to stand out as a man with means. This is a backdoor to the intro and then you can run game as usual.

Nice. There really is no point. I checked my bank account I somehow spent even less with day game + SA game. I don't feel like I am doing anything wrong either, I just don't give them my real name or give them access to my personal home address. Big whoop.

My guess based on our chat, is you're too young looking, you have to flash more cash and change your hair color. Girls don't notice wrinkles, but they do notice hair color. Look more receded or grey you get the idea.

It's seriously not bad a few hundreds bucks both girl + me are happy and I don't have to respond to her daily.

Still enjoy game, but the night scene is stupid. Will get leads for free in the day and if they come through then yeah I'll drink but going to an event solo is just not useful once you have a few spots down pat.

No need to fuck up my health or injure the bank account when the return just sucks.

Post: #497

I suppose I could bring my Craigslist Con game over here, but I am poor as shit and can't afford hotel rooms for every date. So I'd probably need to be selective and only go after the best ones.

Post: #498

I'm thinking I've learned it's a mistake to meet these girls without enough time, solid logistics, and properly prepping her for the bang at that meeting.

I did this the other night-meeting the girl I described above even though I knew I had to leave early and couldn't bang her. I think I could have banged her, I definitely felt that vibe, and done so without putting up any money at that point.

But today she texted me with a story about how she thought her car was breaking down.... so now the money demands have started.

It's going to be harder now to bang her without a payment. Maybe I can salvage it by letting her know she has competition, but I feel like I'm in a weaker position at this point. Next time , no meeting without a hotel room and game plan

Post: #499

(05-14-2013 09:12 PM)MrXY Wrote:  I'm thinking I've learned it's a mistake to meet these girls without enough time, solid logistics, and properly prepping her for the bang at that meeting.

I did this the other night-meeting the girl I described above even though I knew I had to leave early and couldn't bang her. I think I could have banged her, I definitely felt that vibe, and done so without putting up any money at that point.

But today she texted me with a story about how she thought her car was breaking down.... so now the money demands have started.

It's going to be harder now to bang her without a payment. Maybe I can salvage it by letting her know she has competition, but I feel like I'm in a weaker position at this point. Next time , no meeting without a hotel room and game plan

Tell her you haven't established a connection yet so it's too early to be discussing car repairs.

Schedule another date with her but make sure it is implied that you're not available for a while due to a "full plate". She'll take it to mean you are "interviewing" other girls, which will likely get her to chase a bit harder without the monetary demands up front.

If she doesn't? Who cares? You've got a plethora of broads down there.

And if she drops out don't be surprised if she recontacts you in a few weeks with a new attitude.

Post: #500

(04-28-2013 10:43 PM)RobP Wrote:  Mega-props to HotWheels!!
Meet my first "sugar-baby" from SA tonight.
Executed HotWheels' game plan. Rolled into upscale hotel bar custom-suited down (an homage to G Manifesto), she's a solid HB8, 23. She had a drink and 3 oysters on the half-shell (oyster-game!). I had 2 drinks and 3 oysters. I was going to try to get a second drink in her, but she said, "let's get out of here." Was smashing it in under 2 hours of meeting.
Epic!

Did you get a room in the hotel where you met her or did you take her somewhere else after you left the hotel bar?