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WestIndianArchie 路 2016-12-15 12:46:00 路 #3751
@red beard

Brick and mortar makes sense for service businesses, not for retail, not for knowledge work.

The task that we face is building something that makes money, so that we don't trade time for dollars.

Maybe it's a bunch of labor up front, but we're all trying to avoid 40+ hours per week, and have financial freedom

WIA
kirdiesel 路 2016-12-15 13:17:00 路 #3752
Speaking of business... My eBay hustle is going well... I just started like 2-3 months ago and I have over $3000 in revenue (not profit) with barely any investment capital.

I am waiting for some money to come in and then im gonna go nuts and buy a fuck ton of inventory and move that shit on top of my self employed job.

Whats so great about eBay too is that I can work from home and don't have to run the fuck around town dealing with people. You put shit up and sit back and wait for the money to come in. Once you get a system down its perfect. Nothing beats earning money from home.

2017 is time for money and success.
NewDayNewFace 路 2016-12-15 13:26:00 路 #3753
Good job Kirdiesel. What type of stuff are you selling?
kirdiesel 路 2016-12-15 14:23:00 路 #3754
(12-15-2016 01:26 PM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  Good job Kirdiesel. What type of stuff are you selling?

Luxury clothing items.
WestIndianArchie 路 2016-12-15 14:37:00 路 #3755
Are you doing the fulfillment yourself?

WIA
kirdiesel 路 2016-12-15 15:27:00 路 #3756
I am doing the sourcing of the items, taking pictures and posting the items, packing the items and shipping the items.

I am doing everything myself.

I am not gonna lie it was alot of work and RESEARCH at first (and im still at the beginning) but the more you do the more you are able to streamline the process.

Archie - All you have to do is double check to make sure the item is in good condition, weighs under a certain amount, in the right box and sent to the right customer.... not rocket science I think. If you ship the same items over and over again you know exactly how much it weights, what box to use and what postage online to buy.

Learning exactly what sells well and what doesn't is still an issue. Buy it now VS Auction. How quick do deliveries get to customers?

There is a learning curve but once you make progress its really exciting.
WestIndianArchie 路 2016-12-15 16:56:00 路 #3757
I used to sell collectibles on eBay a decade ago. So I know the game. But since they were used collectibles, there was a bunch of hard to optimize things, and hidden costs.

Tape, boxes, and labels
Taking pics took time
Sourcing product became an issue
Returns and tire kickers

On style forum, I watched cats go from professional thrift store, to online store, but didn't really hit a gear until they increased the profit margin with their own brands.

Onwards and upwards

WIA
kirdiesel 路 2016-12-15 17:12:00 路 #3758
(12-15-2016 04:56 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I used to sell collectibles on eBay a decade ago. So I know the game. But since they were used collectibles, there was a bunch of hard to optimize things, and hidden costs.

Tape, boxes, and labels
Taking pics took time
Sourcing product became an issue
Returns and tire kickers

On style forum, I watched cats go from professional thrift store, to online store, but didn't really hit a gear until they increased the profit margin with their own brands.

Onwards and upwards

WIA

Boxes are the next cost im going to work on optimizing. I have about 20 sales in the last 60 days so Its not too much of a problem but I am still overpaying. I have gotten the shipping cost at low as I can get already.

I don't accept returns and havent had any yet.

Sourcing product is THE BIGGEST PROBLEM. I think it have it solved but to get the products with the biggest margin is time consuming and it looks like im going to have to travel twice a month to get it.

On the upside it will take me to other countries around here and will break the mundane cycle of gaming here all the time so im looking forward to that.. for at least a while.

Awesome quote from the movie Pain and Gain:

You love those big bitches. And they love to eat. It's okay. That's important!

But this being broke shit's got to stop, man.
WestIndianArchie 路 2016-12-16 07:06:00 路 #3759
A quick lesson in accounting was necessary for me to figure out that I was hustling backwards. Revenue went back into buying more product and then ancillary supplies to sell the product. Plus my time. Buying for one and selling for two seemed like it was a good deal.at the time, I came to find out that there wasn't enough margin to be sustainable. The business flow was uneven and there would be spikes in demand. Sitting on product from two months ago that was hot.

It's definitely a process.

Sounds like you got something going.

WIA
kirdiesel 路 2016-12-16 08:49:00 路 #3760
(12-16-2016 07:06 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  A quick lesson in accounting was necessary for me to figure out that I was hustling backwards. Revenue went back into buying more product and then ancillary supplies to sell the product. Plus my time. Buying for one and selling for two seemed like it was a good deal.at the time, I came to find out that there wasn't enough margin to be sustainable. The business flow was uneven and there would be spikes in demand. Sitting on product from two months ago that was hot.

It's definitely a process.

Sounds like you got something going.

WIA

Thanks man.. I really think I got something going here... My items ALWAYS sell... If the item doesnt sell through buy it now I throw it into auction at MY COST and go up from there. The question is how long the demand will keep up?

I have been generally tripling my money... I can sometimes get an item for 40 and sell it for 120 or more... but then you have Ebay and Paypal fee.

I have made my biggest sale recently.. Bought for 100 and sold for 280 (minus fees) within 72 hours it was gone.

I take that cash and go right back and buy more inventory. Im trying to run this thing like a machine... if any amount of substantial money is sitting in my checking account its wasting away...

Put that money to work for you!
NewDayNewFace 路 2016-12-16 09:26:00 路 #3761
If you don't mind me asking, where do you pick up these items? Is it designer things like Gucci, Prada etc?
WestIndianArchie 路 2016-12-16 10:03:00 路 #3762
Don't answer that question.

WIA
kirdiesel 路 2016-12-16 10:47:00 路 #3763
(12-16-2016 09:26 AM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  If you don't mind me asking, where do you pick up these items? Is it designer things like Gucci, Prada etc?

(12-16-2016 10:03 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Don't answer that question.

WIA

Its fine Archie.... I wont say what exactly or how I am sourcing but yes designer items.
Moma 路 2016-12-17 13:48:00 路 #3764
We're having a new game interview with WIA this weekend. What kind of questions do you lot want answered? What areas do you think are too quickly glossed over and require more fleshing out?

Long term game for younger men? SNL for older men? Mid range game? Advanced game? Relationship game? Interracial game? European game? North American game? Online game? Those are some ideas to brainstorm off of.

Thanks for the support!
kirdiesel 路 2016-12-17 14:51:00 路 #3765
(12-17-2016 01:48 PM)Moma Wrote:  We're having a new game interview with WIA this weekend. What kind of questions do you lot want answered? What areas do you think are too quickly glossed over and require more fleshing out?

Long term game for younger men? SNL for older men? Mid range game? Advanced game? Relationship game? Interracial game? European game? North American game? Online game? Those are some ideas to brainstorm off of.

Thanks for the support!

How does game and life change as you move from 30s to 40s? What to expect? How will women treat you as you start aging? Small differences.. Big differences? When will you become "the old guy"?
DoctaWho 路 2016-12-17 15:46:00 路 #3766
1. Connecting on an emotional level quickly to build attraction.
2. How to keep the conversation going and improving improve skills
WestIndianArchie 路 2016-12-17 16:26:00 路 #3767
(12-17-2016 03:46 PM)DoctaWho Wrote:  1. Connecting on an emotional level quickly to build attraction.
2. How to keep the conversation going and improving improve skills

#1 is easy.

#2 - give me more data, more context.

You talking night game? Day game?
Social setting? Non-Social setting?

Or over text? (spoiler alert - keeping a text conversation can't be done reliably - i.e. it's really not up to you. And I write better than most, so keep that in mind)

Think of the 3 most common scenarios that you run into.

I'll address them in the podcast

WIA
MenaceII 路 2016-12-17 17:46:00 路 #3768
(12-17-2016 04:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  
(12-17-2016 03:46 PM)DoctaWho Wrote:  1. Connecting on an emotional level quickly to build attraction.
2. How to keep the conversation going and improving improve skills

#1 is easy.

#2 - give me more data, more context.

You talking night game? Day game?
Social setting? Non-Social setting?

Or over text? (spoiler alert - keeping a text conversation can't be done reliably - i.e. it's really not up to you. And I write better than most, so keep that in mind)

Think of the 3 most common scenarios that you run into.

I'll address them in the podcast

WIA

How bout the game of 0/100 with no useful skills.
WestIndianArchie 路 2016-12-17 18:34:00 路 #3769
(12-17-2016 05:46 PM)MenaceII Wrote:  
(12-17-2016 04:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  
(12-17-2016 03:46 PM)DoctaWho Wrote:  1. Connecting on an emotional level quickly to build attraction.
2. How to keep the conversation going and improving improve skills

#1 is easy.

#2 - give me more data, more context.

You talking night game? Day game?
Social setting? Non-Social setting?

Or over text? (spoiler alert - keeping a text conversation can't be done reliably - i.e. it's really not up to you. And I write better than most, so keep that in mind)

Think of the 3 most common scenarios that you run into.

I'll address them in the podcast

WIA

How bout the game of 0/100 with no useful skills.

I don't understand the question.

WIA
MenaceII 路 2016-12-17 21:02:00 路 #3770
(12-17-2016 06:34 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  
(12-17-2016 05:46 PM)MenaceII Wrote:  
(12-17-2016 04:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  
(12-17-2016 03:46 PM)DoctaWho Wrote:  1. Connecting on an emotional level quickly to build attraction.
2. How to keep the conversation going and improving improve skills

#1 is easy.

#2 - give me more data, more context.

You talking night game? Day game?
Social setting? Non-Social setting?

Or over text? (spoiler alert - keeping a text conversation can't be done reliably - i.e. it's really not up to you. And I write better than most, so keep that in mind)

Think of the 3 most common scenarios that you run into.

I'll address them in the podcast

WIA

How bout the game of 0/100 with no useful skills.

I don't understand the question.

WIA

Achieving low budget stability with no useful skills

Entering the Game of life
lex the impaler 路 2016-12-18 01:32:00 路 #3771
on the interview can y'all talk about handling the aging process? I believe rudebwoy is on TRT. If y'all can touch on that it'll be a blessing.
Ogunn 路 2016-12-18 07:50:00 路 #3772
(12-17-2016 01:48 PM)Moma Wrote:  We're having a new game interview with WIA this weekend. What kind of questions do you lot want answered? What areas do you think are too quickly glossed over and require more fleshing out?

Long term game for younger men? SNL for older men? Mid range game? Advanced game? Relationship game? Interracial game? European game? North American game? Online game? Those are some ideas to brainstorm off of.

Thanks for the support!

As I understand it. The objective of Game is to get good enough to have an abundance of women in your life. Throw in a busy and rewarding lifestyle and you will not have to time to spend with all the women you are attracting.

At that point have you achieved success? Should the rest of your life be spent maintaining and replenishing that steady stable of girls on rotation?

Or

Do you filter for quality and only spend your time with the ones that that treat you the best and are willing to make you and your goals their sole priority?

Do you then take it a step further and enter into LTRs with the best of the best?

By LTR I dont necessarily mean monogamy on the guys side. I think the ideal LTR would be either a Bisexual woman who is fine with with threesomes with other women. Or a woman who has accepted that the man she loves, has always and will always seek out other other women for sex.

I by no means have reached the point where I have an abundance of women in my life. But as I get older (in my mid 40s) these are some of the questions I do ask myself. I would love to get the opinion of more experienced players.
kirdiesel 路 2016-12-18 08:56:00 路 #3773
As a more experienced player now in his mid 30s.. For me the point of game is this:

1. Enable me to learn about women, experience many different kinds of women in order for me to be to learn what works and doesn't work for me... and of course fun is a by product of this.

2. Cure one-itis - game creates abundance mentality and then you will always be fearless when its comes to women. What? You want to leave you say? Ok then go... When you have that kind of mentality with women they respect you... cause they know you have options.

3. Give me choices... When it finally comes down to choose a wife and kids... I now in my 30s have a fairly good idea what I want, how they are supposed to look, how they are supposed to act... pretty much what exactly im looking for. Whether I find that or not is different story.. but I at least have a blueprint. Thats more than I would say most guys who only slept with 2 or 3 women in the lives have.

4. Make me the best possible man I can possibly be. This forum has helped me get my game and is helping me guide my life back on the rails. I am down to only 1 plate (on purpose) and its helped me to take a step back from all those other plates that were just wasting my time.

Sometimes you gotta take 2 steps backward to take 3 forward.
DoctaWho 路 2016-12-18 08:57:00 路 #3774
(12-17-2016 04:26 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  
(12-17-2016 03:46 PM)DoctaWho Wrote:  1. Connecting on an emotional level quickly to build attraction.
2. How to keep the conversation going and improving improve skills

#1 is easy.

#2 - give me more data, more context.

You talking night game? Day game?
Social setting? Non-Social setting?

Or over text? (spoiler alert - keeping a text conversation can't be done reliably - i.e. it's really not up to you. And I write better than most, so keep that in mind)

Think of the 3 most common scenarios that you run into.

I'll address them in the podcast

WIA

Thanks. For #2 I'm mainly interested in social situations where you don't know anyone and have to break into mixed groups so you're having to balance keeping the chick engaged and being cool to her friends so she doesn't feel bad devoting time to you over them. I often have it happen where while we're talking someone in her group will bust in to try to pull her attention away. My general response has been why don't you come with me so I can grab a drink at the bar but the success rate has been less than stellar. That's why I was interested in #1 because I think the success rate would go up if I was better at building emotional attraction.
Moma 路 2016-12-18 10:38:00 路 #3775
(12-18-2016 01:32 AM)lex the impaler Wrote:  on the interview can y'all talk about handling the aging process? I believe rudebwoy is on TRT. If y'all can touch on that it'll be a blessing.

This is a good point, talking about the aging process.
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