(12-09-2016 11:51 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  In my experience, dimes love dudes who aren't outcome dependent. Invite one of those bishes out to meet another bish. Explain how she would really get along with so-an-so and you too have a lot in common, etc.

Exactly. Hot chick friend is going to wonder what is wrong with her.

Social circle game is using your social circle of chicks to attract others. Meanwhile, it's more than possible to secret society these friend chicks.

But go after the hot chick first, to bang, like everyone else - and you get everyone else's results.

Those Dan Blizerian chicks, the ones that aren't paid, want to be around other hot chicks. They want to be in the clique! Group membership is more important than Dan.


For a lot of these chicks, a man is just a means to an end.

WIA

Dan Bilzerian while being interview by Larry King says exactly how it does it.... VERY similar to nightclub promoter game. I have run this game myself its the most lays and highest quality lays ive gotten in a short period of time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrqzV_d-gP4

He starts talking about women at 3:30 (so you dont have to watch the whole thing)

(12-09-2016 11:11 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  You're abroad, how's black American game philosophy working for you?

I've traveled some, but when I've touched down, chicks are into either my western factor, money factor, or exotic factor.

Our game is culturally specific in some ways.

WIA

Hmm, I'm not sure I can answer that question:

1) Obviously, you don't have to be black to use black American game philosophy (I'm an Asian-American, but even Mexicans think I look Mexican). But do you have to look black to really use black American game philosophy? Or is the surface-level difference just easily visible but relatively small, compared to the underlying vibe?

2) What exactly is black American game philosophy? How does it differ from other game philosophies? If I had to guess, I'd say my game philosophy is a mixture of many different ones. Technically, on the surface, I look like a London-style day game guy (which I know you hate, but hey, at least I don't own the stereotypical leather jacket). But I'd say my influences include Roissy (not Heartiste), Rollo, Roosh, and RVF, including this thread.

3) Even with answers to 1 and 2, the bulk of my experience is limited to the year and a half I've been living in Gdansk, Poland, with a year of that being in a relationship.

Some background on Gdansk, per forum consensus: the quality here is higher than the more-visited cities such as Krakow, but the girls are correspondingly more conservative (slower to open up but less alpha/beta emotional roller-coaster required).

Anyway, at least here and for me, the factors you mention are there, but they're a small factor, at best - and sometimes a negative factor, with girls who are too conservative for me (a guess though, since they usually just pass on me right away; in any case, I appreciate not having my time wasted, which seemed more common in the US, since folks are more chatty there).

262, if I had to sum up black American game, I would call it hip hop game. Look at how an American rapper talks to lizards and you could call that black American game.

(12-09-2016 12:50 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 11:40 AM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  WIA,

So how do you become friends with 2 "hot" girls to attract more?

If I hang out with a "hot" chick I'm definitely going to try to bone depending if I can tolerate her. I'm the type of guy with no friends that are girls unless I work with them and it's a different

story. If I she an attractive girl I'm going to put my bid in and see if the attraction is mutual.

That one track mind is essentially the problem.
You can't be around a hot girl without fucking being on the brain.

You have to explicitly put these chicks in the friend zone. If you can't contain your thirst, you can't do this method.

Luckily there are dozens of ways

WIA

(12-09-2016 12:50 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 11:40 AM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  WIA,

So how do you become friends with 2 "hot" girls to attract more?

If I hang out with a "hot" chick I'm definitely going to try to bone depending if I can tolerate her. I'm the type of guy with no friends that are girls unless I work with them and it's a different story. If I she an attractive girl I'm going to put my bid in and see if the attraction is mutual.

That one track mind is essentially the problem.
You can't be around a hot girl without fucking being on the brain.

You have to explicitly put these chicks in the friend zone. If you can't contain your thirst, you can't do this method.

Luckily there are dozens of ways

WIA

You're talking game here, I'm in, hope you don't mind. Let me bribe you with my 2 cents about the topic

WIA and DimeBait are spot on. That's the way to go here. Social circle/group dynamics/whatever you wanna call it is different beast than the basic: approach > escalate > isolate > fuck. You cannot approach it the same way but you can do a lot. In fact you can do much more then.


Becoming friends with 2 hot girls to attract more

First thing to remember is that it's subtle game. Everything happens between the verses. There is no place for classic romantic interest and dating. It can morph into dating one girl but it doesn't start like that. It's more like friends with benefits type of thing where you're "friends" but you don't mind fucking each other in proper circumstances. It's not black and white, it's one big grey zone, totally undefined.

You friend zone them first. Most crucial thing is to DO IT FIRST, before they even have a chance. You do not do it overtly, you don't tell them "hey let's be friends" or shit like that. You subcommunicate it by your overall behavior and the way you treat them. You talk to them and game them well but you do not hit on them even once or express any romantic interest. Just good old verbal game, push/pull, teasing, disqualifying yourself [key], and all that stuff. Everything except validating them.

You friendzone them between the verses. You might say something like "to new friends" when you raise a toast. It doesn't have to be champagne in da club, I've done it in the cantine at work after talking 10 minutes to a 2 girls I just met and we raised a toast drinking tea. Whatever. Or you might talk to them a bit and invite them out saying something like "we're having this and this going on X day where I hang out with my friends, come by, let's what you got". So you shoot the shit with them without any sign of anxiety and you're social/sexual the way you come across and at the same time YOU PUT THEM in friendzone FIRST. Thing is this is your friendzone that you want to keep them in. The hotter they are the better it works.

You do the same thing whether you talk to one or 3 of them at once when you meet. The girl is the group and the group is the girl. The effect is the same although it works better when there are at least 2 of them. That's why I prefer talking to groups. It just easier and game hits stronger then. OK so you befriended a couple of hot chicks. Now what?


Inviting one of those bishes out to meet another bish(es)

OK so now they know you, they like you, you made certain impression and you exchanged numbers [or whatever] for social reasons. This is where game becomes really fun as now you flip the abundance switch in your favor. You're not longer the bird who tries hard to outjump his competition to get this one bitch bird. You flip it. You become the selector/buyer. Even if not objectively [these girls their own orbiters] but in that context you are. That's what counts. So what you do now?

You hang out with them all. Meet up with as many as you can. If it's just 2 of them, it's fine, but the more the better. So whatever you do you try to get them to accompany you. Whether you hit the clubs, go to house party, or go do something as a part of your social life. You hang out with them, you game them all at once. It's super fun to game a couple of girls at once. There's nothing more beautiful in game than this. You still have to lead on all levels as usual but the difference is that now it's a couple of girls and you so the buyer/seller dynamic is in your favor.

So now you leverage the fuck out of jealousy which makes them fight for your attention. Even when you don't actively want to bang any of them they still compete for YOUR ATTENTION. This is the true currency with girls. They all crave it. Each of one of them wants thr most of it. You have plenty of it to give but you can distribute it as you wish. Girls are very sensitive to it.

Now when you hang out you amp it up the way you game them but YOU DO NOT ESCALATE, DO NOT ISOLATE. Not when you're together. You just game them all, you're suggestive, make stupid bets, play games, have fun, you play with social touch appropriately to the context of your conversation [for example, it's natural telling a story and showing something on someone what happened]. Your frame it all as fun and nothing serious providing nonjudgmental atmosphere. You can get carried this way at times. That's how it looks in general. Whatever you do, whenever you are the basic M.O. is to game the group so that you it looks like they compete for your attention. What else can you do?


Using social proof game

Now you can play social proof to the max. You can "use" them as your personal cheerleaders to meet and attract other women, equally attractive of course. THIS IS THE EASIEST WAY TO MEET MORE WOMEN. It doesn't have to be this big thing, you don't have to be some kind of high figure buying tables etc. You're just out together and it's as easy as throwing a comment or asking a question to girls near you, introducing everybody to each other and leading that conversation forward. Since you're not hitting on anybody they're comfortable and most importantly they're open towards you cause other girls like you as well. Then you do what you did with those first girls and circle repeats itself. The purpose here is to make it snowball on its own so that you meet more girls getting introduced to than by meeting them on your own.


So how to actually pull the trigger?

Usually there's a chemistry with one girl or you naturally pair off with each other at the end of the night/party/hangout. People split, you both end up one on one and then it's time to escalate, lead physically, pull, etc. Sometimes it happens more secretly, a girl texts you she wants to do something later. Sometimes you end up with 2 chicks in their place and adventures continue. Thing is by the time you're almost done hanging out it should be rather obvious what your options are and quite clear what's up between you and the girl.


EDIT. Let me emphasize again, it's not some pimp shit. It takes some effort but it doesn't have to be some sort of big thing. It can be very simple. For instance...

You know chicks A and B, there has always been something going on between you. You go out, game both and treat equally, meet other C, D, E by chance then, end up with B later on and bang. Then chick A invites you to some house party makes herself available you get drunk and bang. Then you go out with B, C, D and meet F and G. Chick B is more flirty/sexual with you, chicks C and D see that and follow suit. Now you're one 2 hours away from sleeping with B and C that night. No go? Fine. Your bro invites you to house party he's going so you call them all but only C, E, G come and they bring their friends H and I. Your bro introduces you to J, K and especially L who saw your on his shapchat and wants to meet you. Party fun times, L chick dances around you then you bang at aferparty. Now you join forces with your bro, keep merging chicks, you plan things out together, he brings some as well and that's how things start to snowball.

That's pretty much student life. You can replicate it in your thirties if you meet right people and network. Speaking from first hand experience.


That's the very basic outline. I could write muuuuch more but I don't think that looooong very detailed posts or fat ebooks are better. Sorry

(12-10-2016 10:16 AM)XXL Wrote:  You friend zone them first. Most crucial thing is to DO IT FIRST, before they even have a chance. You do not do it overtly, you don't tell them "hey let's be friends" or shit like that. You subcommunicate it by your overall behavior and the way you treat them. You talk to them and game them well but you do not hit on them even once or express any romantic interest. Just good old verbal game, push/pull, teasing, disqualifying yourself [key], and all that stuff. Everything except validating them.

Funny enough, disqualifying yourself is the easiest part. Be true to yourself and show that you're a player. Let them know that unlike 99% of guys, you don't need them for sex because you get plenty!

-Talk about sex explicity
-Drop player hints "Oh, I'm not into monogamy..."
-When they ask who you're texting say "oh some silly bitches"

Levels of game:
1. Fake it till you make it
2. Make it
3. Let other bitches know you made it

Secret society.

Good write up XXL. Great post.

That requires a lot of time and effort and what I like to do is grenade Mack. That probably is one part of the game I'm lacking is patience.

I feel like Ray Allen in the game, when I catch the ball and get a good look I jack the shot up (put my bid in with the female). I don't think too much about it and I feel like I'm only as good as my next shot. If I brick so what because I'm gonna get the ball again sooner or later and jack it right back up. From my past experiences there is a good chance I'm going to swish it.

Like Gucci said girls are like busses, miss one, next 15, one coming.

I'll keep that in mind however and see if I can pull this off successfully however.

Where are you guys located in the world? I travel a lot, if we are ever in the same city may need to link up and game on. I'm in Atlanta Georgia.

(12-10-2016 10:47 AM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  Good write up XXL. Great post.

That requires a lot of time and effort and what I like to do is grenade Mack. That probably is one part of the game I'm lacking is patience.

I feel like Ray Allen in the game, when I catch the ball and get a good look I jack the shot up (put my bid in with the female). I don't think too much about it and I feel like I'm only as good as my next shot. If I brick so what because I'm gonna get the ball again sooner or later and jack it right back up.

Like Gucci said girls are like busses, miss one, next 15, one coming.

I'll keep that in mind however and see if I can pull this off successfully however.

Where are you guys located in the world? I travel a lot, if we are ever in the same city may need to link up and game on. I'm in Atlanta Georgia.

(11-13-2016 12:24 PM)redbeard Wrote:  All these threads about "downsides of player lifestyle." None about the highlights:

Social skills
Self exploration
Never gonna cry over a bitch breaking your heart

"Girls are like buses. Miss one, next 15 one comin." - Gucci Mane

Next level shit is working through her network.
Old school shit was inviting out last night's wins and losses to tonight's event.

I'm a big fan of the one on one game.
It is necessary for the game, but you don't need to be Pimp Yoda for regular baby's

We should compare and contrast maximum and minimum game.

WIA

(12-10-2016 10:47 AM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  Like Gucci said girls are like busses, miss one, next 15, one coming.

This is a great line, even though Gucci stole it from Mase. Laugh if you want but Mase actually dropped some slick playa type lines in his short career.

I'm not sure, Moma. I don't have standards right now.

Simply going out and learning how to socialize is enough for me.

Hope yall get some tonight!

(12-10-2016 10:47 AM)NewDayNewFace Wrote:  Good write up XXL. Great post.

That requires a lot of time and effort and what I like to do is grenade Mack. That probably is one part of the game I'm lacking is patience.

I feel like Ray Allen in the game, when I catch the ball and get a good look I jack the shot up (put my bid in with the female). I don't think too much about it and I feel like I'm only as good as my next shot. If I brick so what because I'm gonna get the ball again sooner or later and jack it right back up. From my past experiences there is a good chance I'm going to swish it.

I like your mentality. Very positive attitude.

@WIA, others

I was reading How To Engineer Your Layoff by Financial Samurai and he had this section about brick and mortar.

Quote:More On Starting A Business

After starting an online business, I cannot fathom ever starting a traditional bricks and mortar business with commensurate high overhead costs. A top of the line dedicated server costs $250 a month whereas my favorite cupcake store has to pay $7,000 a month in rent. Talk about a huge operating cost differential!

It is very common for online businesses to have 60%+ operating profit margins and 35%+ net profit margins. According to a January 2015 study of 7,887 companies of all industries conducted by Aswath Damodaron of NYU, the average operating margin and net profit margin is 11.29% and 7.84%, respectively.

If you are going to start a business, think online business first. The potential demand is practically unlimited with the growth of internet penetration. Over 2.8 billion people are using the internet as of 2014, up from 1.04 billion in 2005. With a world population of over 7 billion, all you need is 1/10th of 1% to get 7 million customers! Whenever you think about starting a business, think about scale and operating leverage.

I don't see why anyone would want a B&M storefront anymore unless you absolutely have to have face-to-face services. I.e., Barbershop, bar etc

I have a consulting business I'm trying to elevate, and of the few clients I do have, it's pretty well understood that I'm not leaving the comfort of my home/office lol.


Funny story, I've been looking for a new downtown pad and followed-up on Craigslist ad for someone subletting. We text to arrange a showing and when I get there, I'm already mentally preparing for the Big Black Man disarming routine. To my surprise a chocolate PYT meets me in the lobby. Aw yes, as I relax my vernacular, make small talk, check out the unit and wonder how I will follow this up. Too forward to flat out hit on her in her living room under these pretenses, but I tell her I'd let her know one way or another.

Fastforward 10 days, I text her that I went with another unit, but still needed that hook-up (something pertaining to her job). She fires back a friendly invite that I'll be taking her up on tomorrow evening.

This is why I primarily date black women. I don't have guess if they're into me, I don't have to overtly humble myself, or pretend to be anyone else but the the big unapologetically black man that I am.

(12-14-2016 04:38 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  This is why I primarily date black women. I don't have guess if they're into me, I don't have to overtly humble myself, or pretend to be anyone else but the the big unapologetically black man that I am.

Not knocking the black women part at all cause im way behind on that myself but why are you guessing or humbling yourself at all?

I just move forward regardless if I think women of any nationality are into brothers or not.

Always assume the sale.

(12-14-2016 05:00 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 04:38 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  This is why I primarily date black women. I don't have guess if they're into me, I don't have to overtly humble myself, or pretend to be anyone else but the the big unapologetically black man that I am.

Not knocking the black women part at all cause im way behind on that myself but why are you guessing or humbling yourself at all?

I just move forward regardless if I think women of any nationality are into brothers or not.

Always assume the sale.

Lol, no I'm not second guessing myself. Its just that sometimes they struggle in understanding what I'm saying, or my mannerisms, my sarcasm, jiving, jokes etc. In my experience, its' been a whole different world. It's like hanging with people from work vs. hanging with your cousins and nem.

(12-14-2016 05:08 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 05:00 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 04:38 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  This is why I primarily date black women. I don't have guess if they're into me, I don't have to overtly humble myself, or pretend to be anyone else but the the big unapologetically black man that I am.

Not knocking the black women part at all cause im way behind on that myself but why are you guessing or humbling yourself at all?

I just move forward regardless if I think women of any nationality are into brothers or not.

Always assume the sale.

Lol, no I'm not second guessing myself. Its just that sometimes they can't even understand what I'm saying, or my mannerisms, my sarcasm, jiving, jokes etc. In my experience, its' been a whole different world. It's like hanging with people from work vs. hanging with your cousins and nem.

So you are running game that tends to vibe better with black culture/lizards as opposed to other cultures and thats why they can't seem to "get" you?

I know nothing about gaming black lizards so thats why just asking.

I need to jump into the black lizard thread and educate myself.

I don't know if the black lizard thread pertains to brothers abroad to be honest.

Black American culture is very specific, and the tendrils of which show up throughout the dynamic. "Black love" has so many constraints and modifiers. So much historical baggage on top of whatever chick you're dealing with brings to the situation.

To be sure, I'm not sure it's worth it unless you're already inclined.

For me?

I just get tired of having to explain shit.
That race specific shit in particular.

Though plenty of black chicks don't get shit either, lol.

WIA

(12-14-2016 06:02 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I don't know if the black lizard thread pertains to brothers abroad to be honest.

Black American culture is very specific, and the tendrils of which show up throughout the dynamic. "Black love" has so many constraints and modifiers. So much historical baggage on top of whatever chick you're dealing with brings to the situation.

To be sure, I'm not sure it's worth it unless you're already inclined.

For me?

I just get tired of having to explain shit.
That race specific shit in particular.

Though plenty of black chicks don't get shit either, lol.

WIA

I am planning on finally getting my feet wet when I get back to the US for vacation. Take my ass finally to a black spot and get blown up haha.

I am really curious as to how well my game is gonna transfer over.

I will be sure to post results here.

I never really found I had to explain "race specific shit" to many girls. Of course sometimes they aren't sensitive to certain struggles but I kind of just chalked that up to a woman vs man thing.

Kirdiesel, how are those Afro German lizards treating you? WIA is right, this behaving 'black' stuff is an American construct. The racial lines on a socialising level are a lot less blurred and don't lean so heavily on stereotypes. No need to game a black lizard in any significantly different way in Europe.

(12-14-2016 06:28 PM)Moma Wrote:  Kirdiesel, how are those Afro German lizards treating you? WIA is right, this behaving 'black' stuff is an American construct. The racial lines on a socialising level are a lot less blurred and don't lean so heavily on stereotypes. No need to game a black lizard in any significantly different way in Europe.

To be honest you really don't see too much of them in the clubs I regularly game in but I did have the chance to interact with one or two and it was really was no different than the white German girls. You are correct in that observation. Most of them speak English too.

It seems to be a totally different vibe in the US which I hope to be exploring. I know a old co-worker who now has a side hustle promoting black parties in NYC so I think ill hit her up when im back in the Spring.

My expectations are low and if I got a date I think I'd actually be excited

To add to the current conversation: take it with a grain of salt, but my Polish girlfriend of 1.5 years has told me she sees me as American first and Asian second. In the US it seemed to be the opposite.

(12-15-2016 05:54 AM)262 Wrote:  To add to the current conversation: take it with a grain of salt, but my Polish girlfriend of 1.5 years has told me she sees me as American first and Asian second. In the US it seemed to be the opposite.

Similar to how people treat you in Germany when they know you are American.

My sister has lived all over the world. She often speaks about how in many countries folks see you as an American before anything else. Apparently, stark distinctions among race is a USA thing.