Maybe one day ill get my sista flag but who knows.

I think we should discuss the Pippen thing... It just really goes to show no man is safe.

Bad boys always get the girl.. Women just find those fuckers irresistible. I just had a dude try and take my FWB from me and she came right back because he was "too nice".

The age old adage . . . "for every badass chick, there is a dood tire of her shit" goes both ways.
I absolutely loathe celebrity gossip.

To bring the two together, if you can incorporate 1% of the content that Moma and Rudebwoy bring to the table, you won't put yourself in a position to get played.

Scottie, if you reading, holla at your boy!
I'm sure the Two Youts would hold a special podcast to. Get that international player perspective. Get your mind right, and invite Jordan so we can step up his fashion game.

Were I in his position, I'd pull an Oprah.

Steadman is her steady, but she not finna put a ring on it, and have him ready to inherit a few billion in case of her untimely death.
With a man, he's going to want to have kids, so that means setting aside

The thought of getting money gives people incentives to do things they wouldn't.

This behavior is even more crucial for us given how hard it is to amass the money in the first place, lol

WIA

(10-27-2016 10:55 AM)DimeBait Wrote:  Thanks for the input bro!

You actually reminded me that I need to take my study of the language to a new level haha. I can't have some other black dude showing up in Shenzhen, fresh off the plane, with better Chinese than me.

(10-25-2016 11:39 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  If she asks about you, and is impressed - that's a sign of interest, but I don't bring up shit about me until she asks. My focus is on 1) her, 2) the interaction/conversation.

For brothers like ourselves, our manner of speaking says a whole lot more about our lives than actually saying that I'm a doctor, i'm an engineer, I travel all the time.

Let her fill in the blanks.
Let her ask you for your name.

- Get her qualifying herself to me- this is the key to game, it ain't about whether she wants to suck your dick, it's about putting her in a sequence where she's seeking your approval - and you barely giving it. You get her in that loop, you get her mind. Once you have the mind, the body is easy.

^This is like 5-10 minutes, TOPS. This ain't something elaborate.

Great post as always, WIA. I've seen you mention a lot about building an emotional connection with a woman. It's all about how you make her feel. What questions are you asking her during the interaction to build that connection?

(10-27-2016 12:54 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Maybe one day ill get my sista flag but who knows.

I am still working on that myself. My last LTR was black but she didn't give it up. I know a lot of clean-cut non-hood black guys who were in LTRs with black girls and never had sex with them. Black women who are educated, from a middle class background, and are not from the hood are very conservative sexually.

And I'm just curious by what you mean that the other guy who tried to take you girl was "too nice". As a "nice guy" myself, I always get this confused because I usually do alpha things in relationships such as lead, bust on her and make fun of her to create a playful vibe, set boundaries, establish kino and not be too clingy but at the same time I try to be a gentleman (holding doors, walking on the street side, etc.). I'm always careful of this in order to not lose attraction.

@MDWanderer Going to have to disagree with you about them being conservative. I went to a top U.S university and almost every black girl I encountered came from a well off background. Simple to say they were freaks like the rest of them. Coming from a lower income community and dealing with ratchet attitude like bitches up until 18, I found these surburban sistas easy to game and relatively easy to fuc(2-3 dates) which meant lunch, Starbucks and then take out at my place. Now granted in college every girl is easier to fuck. The harder part comes with the elite sistas who think they are god's gift to man. They fuck too around 3-4 dates sometimes less but my patience is low for pretentious women.

Got about 3 chapters into Mode one and I'm not impressed. He is basically rehashing shit that's already been known since the dawn of time. Also I'm not buying this always be direct shit. Especially in our day and age. Women get thirst from every angle of life, I realized that so I rolled with indirect asshole game and it's been well received. He does make a point of letting your intentions be known, which I agree with, but try that upfront shit here with a bad biddie. She'll see you as "thirsty" and move on. Or a chick who isn't accustomed to dealing with brothers. You'll trigger a mental defense reaction quick as no comfort was built.

I'm not a fan of any of these self help books. The best way to improve ones game is the question answer learn response. It's the same way I'm able to do well in school with minimal studying compared to my colleagues. Approach X number of women a day = questions. Get the result = answer, find out how you got that result = learn. Whether right or wrong, if wrong look for right way, if right look to make sure you were right for the exact reason you think.

In my experience approaching women you want and coming here to forum to get feedback is the single fastest way to improve game and quality of pull. I power read day Bang and then approached. The single best resource for me outside of live feedback from you guys was Jariel's real talk sessions. I compiled them all into a PDF and read them once every few weeks. He takes into account real world modern day interactions with examples and life lessons interjected in. And the shits free haha.

This site alone is the single greatest creation for men learning to interact with women in our history. Where else can you get feedback and advice from reputable players from all walks of life, age groups, cultures, socioeconomic brackets etc within a few hours.

-CD

Double post. Shitty iphone 7

-CD

(10-28-2016 09:42 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 12:54 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  Maybe one day ill get my sista flag but who knows.

I am still working on that myself. My last LTR was black but she didn't give it up. I know a lot of clean-cut non-hood black guys who were in LTRs with black girls and never had sex with them. Black women who are educated, from a middle class background, and are not from the hood are very conservative sexually.

And I'm just curious by what you mean that the other guy who tried to take you girl was "too nice". As a "nice guy" myself, I always get this confused because I usually do alpha things in relationships such as lead, bust on her and make fun of her to create a playful vibe, set boundaries, establish kino and not be too clingy but at the same time I try to be a gentleman (holding doors, walking on the street side, etc.). I'm always careful of this in order to not lose attraction.

How can you be in a LTR w/o sex? That's not a relationship -- its a friendship.

#Forrealz

I was wondering the same thing.

On a side note, there is no single method to fucking any kind of chick. In my experience, you just have to go for it. If you get shot down, keep going for it until you don't feel like it anymore.

I've had chicks act "brand new" and vehemently refrain giving up the panties because they thought I was a prime catch. They soon found out that's the number 1 way to not get a call back from me.

(10-27-2016 09:39 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 11:39 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  If she asks about you, and is impressed - that's a sign of interest, but I don't bring up shit about me until she asks. My focus is on 1) her, 2) the interaction/conversation.

For brothers like ourselves, our manner of speaking says a whole lot more about our lives than actually saying that I'm a doctor, i'm an engineer, I travel all the time.

Let her fill in the blanks.
Let her ask you for your name.

- Get her qualifying herself to me- this is the key to game, it ain't about whether she wants to suck your dick, it's about putting her in a sequence where she's seeking your approval - and you barely giving it. You get her in that loop, you get her mind. Once you have the mind, the body is easy.

^This is like 5-10 minutes, TOPS. This ain't something elaborate.

Great post as always, WIA. I've seen you mention a lot about building an emotional connection with a woman. It's all about how you make her feel. What questions are you asking her during the interaction to build that connection?

That's a book.

The overall idea with game is that you're bypassing her social conditioning.
She's been socialized to want, height, muscle, a good looking face, money, great style, a nice car, a phat crib.

But all of us know that guy that has everything, or he has some of those things, and the chick isn't happy. All she wants is MORE.

So the square gives her more. The thinking man, the player, he realizes that she's not after material things/tangible qualities. She is....don't get me wrong...but she's an addict to feelings.

If you work with a bunch of women like I do, you can observe that all day long, they're reading good news or gossip, spreading gossip, eating, adjusting the temperature, - basically trying to generate FEELINGS all day. Once you see it, you can't stop seeing it

So it's not so much about emotional connection - but about giving her feelings.

And it's not just good feelings and humor, it's all of them.

Now in terms of methods,

Young players and guys just getting into this style of game - where it's about making her feel through interacting with you - they go with the basics
- they try to make her laugh
- they ask questions
- they brag about themselves

Just me writing them out, should tell you, how effective the techniques are.

Some techniques are strong from the get go.
Making a cold read on a chick - almost always gets you emotional feedback. You can make a good cold read that gets to the core of who she is, and no one realizes. Or you can make a bad one - and she HAS TO CORRECT YOUR MISCONCEPTION - because her appearance to others is PARAMOUNT.

Jokes - You can tell a bad joke. So where a cold read good or bad, gets the desired reaction - a joke has to be carefully constructed, and delivered.

Questions - A lot of pick up literature says you need to ask open end questions.
"Why do you feel that way"

The type, quality of the question, how deep you want her to go, has to be balanced with the timeline of the pull, and how much investment you've gotten from the chick.

Or more simply, you can't walk up to a chick and say, "My name is Archie, what are you're hopes and fears?"

Questions cost "social capital"

When a stranger asks you for the time, it's 1 penny.
When a stranger asks you how to get to a nearby location, it's a quarter

When a bum asks you for a dollar, the social cost goes up. I don't always give the homeless a change. Do i have cash? Do I have coins? Do I have singles?

When a college kid with a clipboard wants a signature for petition - no problem
When they want me to break out my credit card and make a monthly commitment to save the whales - SOCIAL COST IS SUPER HIGH.

So when you're rocking with a chick, asking her questions costs you a bit of social capital. If you're deep into the chat, and she's feeling you, she'll pay the cost. If you want to ask something personal, or you want her to think deeply on a topic - that's a high cost - and she won't pay it - if she isn't feeling you.

Now there are questions and requests that actually pay her social capital, that she's dying to answer -

But like I was saying with the difference between a joke and cold read - asking questions require a whole lot of thinking - if you're running this style of game.

Most guys don't get this deep with this shit because you don't need to.

Attraction is accomplished fairly easy. The game is played in comfort. And the bang is often solving a logistical puzzle.

What I'm talking about, what I advocate, is the sort of game that makes a # solid, that is not a one night stand - but something that makes a girl want to keep fucking you even when she's engaged. It's more upfront work for a longer payoff.

So to try and bring this all back to your "types of questions that build an emotional connection"

Questions are a hard thing to use right off the bat for that emotional connection.

To get super technical, I'm not sure if emotional connection is the exact term to use - because I have emotional connections to my family. What they feel, I feel. What I feel, they feel. But that comes from tons of time together.

That type of connection will dry up the pussy.

So when I talk about invoking emotions in a girl - I'm setting up a dealer/user dynamic.

She's always going to have these 6'5" Division 1 ball players who now are big time investment bankers trying to hit her with the socially approved attraction weapons.

The idea behind game is that you're supplying something to her mind - that she can't get from a guy only offering her "stuff".

This is the Casino Dynamic.

DeNiro had the money and fame
Pesci had the manly alpha take what I want.

Who does she try to leave town with?'

James Wood.

Even if you haven't seen the movie, he's a guy who really gets who she is, and no one else seems to. He focuses on the psychology of the woman, and supplies that.

She feels connected to him because he gets her. She puts herself at risk of death for this guy who has nothing.

That's the connection we are going for. Sharon Stone's character will do whatever this guy says, but more importantly - she's actively working on getting him shit. She's using her mind to make his life better. So he doesn't need to be directing her, thinking for her. She not only knows what needs to be done, she is figuring out problems as they come along. (How many of them folks talking about Kazakhstani wives from small villages are truly thinking about what a woman can do for them? I digress)

Lemme repeat
- this is complicated
- this is overkill

You can get your dick sucked for much much much less effort.

But if you really want the dime pieces in your life, run and gun game will only get you so far.

And if you don't have all that socially approved stuff, like the 12 inch dick and the Lamborghini - you have to operate on the things that she really values. And when you deal with women, when you watch them operate - then you realize a lot of the stuff they tell you to do is bullshit in terms of women. It's good for you, but not necessary for them.

And see this enough, and you'll see it happen to guys. Every city considered "hell" for a guy - you see these not-very attractive chicks grabbing these guys with a whole lot of shit going for them. I see it EVERY DAY. These chicks have game, because they aren't trading on looks. They can get commitment from guys that they think they want.

Though ultimately, these career chicks will divorce Chad Senior Associate because Chad is only giving her the socially approved/surface level shit. That's good for a few years until the divorce.

...............

Lemme get to the practical aspects

- we want the chick to be ever-seeking our approval and validation
- she only wants validation from guys that "get her" that "see her for who she truly is"
- straight up questions to build this sequence are hard to use as a tool, because you have to think a whole lot on how to pose the question in such a way that gets you the desired result

So instead of open ended deep questions to build this validation spiral/cycle
- you tell stories, and let her chime in, and then build on what she says
- you react to her reactions, in ways that she does not anticipate
- you make cold reads, have her defend herself,

So even though cold reads are a bit rude and cost you socially, she gets a chance to shine and be cute/sassy with her answer - and that PAYS her socially. It's fun and challenging at the same time.

With stories, a good punchy story/joke can make her relive her own memories, or put herself in to your shoes.

Here's how I tell a story but incorporate a low social cost question to facilitate an answer

This is ripped straight from the newbie board, and i've used it 3 times in the past 2 days.

"I haven't had a date in 12 years"

"This guy on my online fantasy football league just said he's having his first date in 12 years"

^Chick crack - but it's chick crack because it taps into something she can talk about with authority.

So that's the premise.

"So everyone in the league is telling him to bring flowers, bring chocolate, take her for sushi..."

^Builds the tension. Because I know that women are smart, and they're going to focus on the real fucking issue. And I know they're going to want to BLURT OUT A RESPONSE before I even finish the preamble.

"I'm like....

*makes facial impression*
*turn to her*

"What do you think the first question should be?"

3 for 3 so far, they all have said

Girl - "What was going in the past 12 years"

Archie, "Right..."

^

I set this up to have them give me a sensible response, the second that they want to answer the question - they are seeking my approval.

So to recap
- you're not trying to build a deep friendship/kinship
- you're trying to put a chick into a cycle of validation seeking
- it needs to be low social cost to start, you can ramp up as you build up credit with the chick
- you can start with a question, but better to offer value with a different thing or incorporate value into the question
- once she jumps in, once she's dying to answer, dying to be right, - you've put her on the ladder to success

Questions?

WIA

I hope I'm helping you guys develop a mind for the game.
Once you have the analysis down, you can start breaking down different things that you notice.
You can start to bring in different aspects of your life and experience into dealing with chicks, and dealing with people.

For you guys that watch sports, ask yourself what the color commentators add to your experience of watching a game.

A real good sports commentator has the ability to amplify the basketball game. He's not just narrating the game, but in real time
emphasizing the emotional high points - making the experience better for you.

When you develop your mind for the game - you see things like that and wonder - hmm -

How is this invisible guy able to tap into my thoughts, emotions, and energy?
How can I break down what he's doing?
What skills can I take?

Now how do I adapt those skill in to talking to a chick?

I swear that guys are barely scratching the surface with game, because the price of pussy has gotten so low.
Yet we still got dudes out there telling you that path to pussy is with a really good over head press.

WIA

When are you going to drop that book? Quit teasing us.

(10-28-2016 02:16 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I swear that guys are barely scratching the surface with game, because the price of pussy has gotten so low.

I sometimes feel like you have barely scratched the surface on your game knowledge to this forum. I haven't seen a game post of yours yet that wasn't an A+. Why aren't you a millionaire game instructor or book writer yet? You could easily redefine the PUA genre with your book.

(10-28-2016 06:46 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(10-28-2016 02:16 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I swear that guys are barely scratching the surface with game, because the price of pussy has gotten so low.

I sometimes feel like you have barely scratched the surface on your game knowledge to this forum. I haven't seen a game post of yours yet that wasn't an A+. Why aren't you a millionaire game instructor or book writer yet? You could easily redefine the PUA genre with your book.

My game is decent.

But I've seen the next two levels up.

Up One Level
The next level up is paid instructor/traveling the world level. My notch count is decent for a man my age. But these guys i've rocked with, they could easily pull 200 women in a year off cold approach, no online at all.

When I was in the game heavy, I didn't have the drive for that. I liked the individual bitches I spent time with enough to spend more time with them. Fuck a bitch twice, and that's a loss of a new notch. You could have been out trying to make the next connection.

Or

Guys with better skills can step into any venue, find the hottest bitch there, make a 10x impression on the girl, and also blow out the competition.

That doesn't mean she's going to fuck him, but he's the only suitable candidate on that given night. In my mind, that's not "any girl, any time" - but it's close enough to the ideal.

Not just being your best self, but because you know how bitches think and what they react to - your best self is a better option than anyone in the vicinity.

That's one level up. That's the guy that can take my shit and run with it. Adapt what I say to his game, and find insights that I haven't found.

Kinda dude, be like "Archie, why you doing that dumb shit...try this instead"

To some extent, I'm trying to get my game there. There are easier ways to get at the 10 - group game, social networking stuff on steroids -

But to me, there's something special about stepping up to a chick and making shit happen right then and there.

2 levels up
The next level up isn't even about pussy. That's where I'm trying to steal from to be honest.

Ex-Boss told me about this one gathering of companies and politicians that he attended. He brought a staffer with him. (not me).

Staffer says to him, "This is entirely pointless"

My boss, a true sociopath when I look back on it,

"Do you see that guy over there, and the guy he's talking to? One guy is a senator, the other guy has a contract that might be seen by his committee. The guy with the contract arranged this entire party in order for him to bump into that senator"

All the world's a stage.

Yet you got guys here taking swing dance classes to meet 23 year olds looking like Rosie the Riveter....

I'm not mad at the rockabilly chick goal, love to stick my P into some Pin Up V myself. But that vision is limited. That vision is unaware.

Pussy is trivial at that 2nd level up.

Like I'm arguing in the "Teach girls game" post - a real power broker can get pretty young pussy fairly easily. (well all except Anthony Wiener and his god awful game). He's as excited about that as a steak dinner, with a scotch and cigar. I call that a special occassion, he calls that Tuesday.

Guys with a lot of money and power - they're so used to the "best" - that they have to get kinky. They have to do something novel.

Why do you think rich kids are so into drugs? Fucking with their minds is the final frontier. And for a lot of em, heroin/cocaine/mdma - if they manage to not get addicted- they get bored of that too.

So to get at that top level guy, you need to get at his true interests.

Which is the same thing as top level chick.

Imagine you wanted to bang Melania Trump.
Can you beat Trump on any tangible level?

Probably not. He's a pinnacle alpha male by every measure. You might have a better physique - but even with an 8 pack, you're not flexing your way into presidential candidate pussy.

But does that mean Melania has no extra-marital sexual urges?
No sense of mischief?

She was a nude model, and that part of her is still there.

Can you arrange shit so that she can have some fun with no consequences?

Maybe.

That's how a player thinks.

Maybe I can set up a way for her to act on her impulsive nature with no downside, only upside.

WIA

(10-28-2016 10:29 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  @MDWanderer Going to have to disagree with you about them being conservative. I went to a top U.S university and almost every black girl I encountered came from a well off background. Simple to say they were freaks like the rest of them. Coming from a lower income community and dealing with ratchet attitude like bitches up until 18, I found these surburban sistas easy to game and relatively easy to fuc(2-3 dates) which meant lunch, Starbucks and then take out at my place. Now granted in college every girl is easier to fuck. The harder part comes with the elite sistas who think they are god's gift to man. They fuck too around 3-4 dates sometimes less but my patience is low for pretentious women.

Which university did you go to? I grew up in a middle class neighborhood during my high school days and went to Catholic school and I always fancied sistas but I didn't really know how to connect with them. That was probably the reason they were so "conservative". I'm currently dating one now but she is religious but is in to a lot of the same things I am into to (sports, reading, church, academics, etc.) Her mother's side is African so they always stressed education and she is working on her PhD.

(10-28-2016 10:29 AM)coverdoc Wrote:  This site alone is the single greatest creation for men learning to interact with women in our history. Where else can you get feedback and advice from reputable players from all walks of life, age groups, cultures, socioeconomic brackets etc within a few hours.

-CD

True. Good bless Roosh. This site is also the only site where black men can get an avenue to discuss things (girls, politics, family, The Man, etc.) A lot of the black male spaces have been shut down on the internet. Black men organizing and putting their minds together is one of the biggest threats in today's society, so it's fitting we have to do it in our own little nook on a site where the membership is predominately white.

(10-28-2016 10:38 AM)Chowder Head Wrote:  How can you be in a LTR w/o sex? That's not a relationship -- its a friendship.

A woman who is saving herself for marriage is okay in my eyes, as long as you see yourself marrying her. My last LTR was young (18) and I could've tapped it but I was too shy and game unaware at the time. That was my own fault. But we held hands, made out, rubbed her boobs (my good did she have big ones), and I got a hand job from her. Should've did more but I was too afraid to push the envelope.

(10-28-2016 12:10 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(10-27-2016 09:39 PM)Iso Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 11:39 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  If she asks about you, and is impressed - that's a sign of interest, but I don't bring up shit about me until she asks. My focus is on 1) her, 2) the interaction/conversation.

For brothers like ourselves, our manner of speaking says a whole lot more about our lives than actually saying that I'm a doctor, i'm an engineer, I travel all the time.

Let her fill in the blanks.
Let her ask you for your name.

- Get her qualifying herself to me- this is the key to game, it ain't about whether she wants to suck your dick, it's about putting her in a sequence where she's seeking your approval - and you barely giving it. You get her in that loop, you get her mind. Once you have the mind, the body is easy.

^This is like 5-10 minutes, TOPS. This ain't something elaborate.

Great post as always, WIA. I've seen you mention a lot about building an emotional connection with a woman. It's all about how you make her feel. What questions are you asking her during the interaction to build that connection?

That's a book.

The overall idea with game is that you're bypassing her social conditioning.
She's been socialized to want, height, muscle, a good looking face, money, great style, a nice car, a phat crib.

But all of us know that guy that has everything, or he has some of those things, and the chick isn't happy. All she wants is MORE.

So the square gives her more. The thinking man, the player, he realizes that she's not after material things/tangible qualities. She is....don't get me wrong...but she's an addict to feelings.

If you work with a bunch of women like I do, you can observe that all day long, they're reading good news or gossip, spreading gossip, eating, adjusting the temperature, - basically trying to generate FEELINGS all day. Once you see it, you can't stop seeing it

So it's not so much about emotional connection - but about giving her feelings.

And it's not just good feelings and humor, it's all of them.

Now in terms of methods,

Young players and guys just getting into this style of game - where it's about making her feel through interacting with you - they go with the basics
- they try to make her laugh
- they ask questions
- they brag about themselves

Just me writing them out, should tell you, how effective the techniques are.

Some techniques are strong from the get go.
Making a cold read on a chick - almost always gets you emotional feedback. You can make a good cold read that gets to the core of who she is, and no one realizes. Or you can make a bad one - and she HAS TO CORRECT YOUR MISCONCEPTION - because her appearance to others is PARAMOUNT.

Jokes - You can tell a bad joke. So where a cold read good or bad, gets the desired reaction - a joke has to be carefully constructed, and delivered.

Questions - A lot of pick up literature says you need to ask open end questions.
"Why do you feel that way"

The type, quality of the question, how deep you want her to go, has to be balanced with the timeline of the pull, and how much investment you've gotten from the chick.

Or more simply, you can't walk up to a chick and say, "My name is Archie, what are you're hopes and fears?"

Questions cost "social capital"

When a stranger asks you for the time, it's 1 penny.
When a stranger asks you how to get to a nearby location, it's a quarter

When a bum asks you for a dollar, the social cost goes up. I don't always give the homeless a change. Do i have cash? Do I have coins? Do I have singles?

When a college kid with a clipboard wants a signature for petition - no problem
When they want me to break out my credit card and make a monthly commitment to save the whales - SOCIAL COST IS SUPER HIGH.

So when you're rocking with a chick, asking her questions costs you a bit of social capital. If you're deep into the chat, and she's feeling you, she'll pay the cost. If you want to ask something personal, or you want her to think deeply on a topic - that's a high cost - and she won't pay it - if she isn't feeling you.

Now there are questions and requests that actually pay her social capital, that she's dying to answer -

But like I was saying with the difference between a joke and cold read - asking questions require a whole lot of thinking - if you're running this style of game.

Most guys don't get this deep with this shit because you don't need to.

Attraction is accomplished fairly easy. The game is played in comfort. And the bang is often solving a logistical puzzle.

What I'm talking about, what I advocate, is the sort of game that makes a # solid, that is not a one night stand - but something that makes a girl want to keep fucking you even when she's engaged. It's more upfront work for a longer payoff.

So to try and bring this all back to your "types of questions that build an emotional connection"

Questions are a hard thing to use right off the bat for that emotional connection.

To get super technical, I'm not sure if emotional connection is the exact term to use - because I have emotional connections to my family. What they feel, I feel. What I feel, they feel. But that comes from tons of time together.

That type of connection will dry up the pussy.

So when I talk about invoking emotions in a girl - I'm setting up a dealer/user dynamic.

She's always going to have these 6'5" Division 1 ball players who now are big time investment bankers trying to hit her with the socially approved attraction weapons.

The idea behind game is that you're supplying something to her mind - that she can't get from a guy only offering her "stuff".

This is the Casino Dynamic.

DeNiro had the money and fame
Pesci had the manly alpha take what I want.

Who does she try to leave town with?'

James Wood.

Even if you haven't seen the movie, he's a guy who really gets who she is, and no one else seems to. He focuses on the psychology of the woman, and supplies that.

She feels connected to him because he gets her. She puts herself at risk of death for this guy who has nothing.

That's the connection we are going for. Sharon Stone's character will do whatever this guy says, but more importantly - she's actively working on getting him shit. She's using her mind to make his life better. So he doesn't need to be directing her, thinking for her. She not only knows what needs to be done, she is figuring out problems as they come along. (How many of them folks talking about Kazakhstani wives from small villages are truly thinking about what a woman can do for them? I digress)

Lemme repeat
- this is complicated
- this is overkill

You can get your dick sucked for much much much less effort.

But if you really want the dime pieces in your life, run and gun game will only get you so far.

And if you don't have all that socially approved stuff, like the 12 inch dick and the Lamborghini - you have to operate on the things that she really values. And when you deal with women, when you watch them operate - then you realize a lot of the stuff they tell you to do is bullshit in terms of women. It's good for you, but not necessary for them.

And see this enough, and you'll see it happen to guys. Every city considered "hell" for a guy - you see these not-very attractive chicks grabbing these guys with a whole lot of shit going for them. I see it EVERY DAY. These chicks have game, because they aren't trading on looks. They can get commitment from guys that they think they want.

Though ultimately, these career chicks will divorce Chad Senior Associate because Chad is only giving her the socially approved/surface level shit. That's good for a few years until the divorce.

...............

Lemme get to the practical aspects

- we want the chick to be ever-seeking our approval and validation
- she only wants validation from guys that "get her" that "see her for who she truly is"
- straight up questions to build this sequence are hard to use as a tool, because you have to think a whole lot on how to pose the question in such a way that gets you the desired result

So instead of open ended deep questions to build this validation spiral/cycle
- you tell stories, and let her chime in, and then build on what she says
- you react to her reactions, in ways that she does not anticipate
- you make cold reads, have her defend herself,

So even though cold reads are a bit rude and cost you socially, she gets a chance to shine and be cute/sassy with her answer - and that PAYS her socially. It's fun and challenging at the same time.

With stories, a good punchy story/joke can make her relive her own memories, or put herself in to your shoes.

Here's how I tell a story but incorporate a low social cost question to facilitate an answer

This is ripped straight from the newbie board, and i've used it 3 times in the past 2 days.

"I haven't had a date in 12 years"

"This guy on my online fantasy football league just said he's having his first date in 12 years"

^Chick crack - but it's chick crack because it taps into something she can talk about with authority.

So that's the premise.

"So everyone in the league is telling him to bring flowers, bring chocolate, take her for sushi..."

^Builds the tension. Because I know that women are smart, and they're going to focus on the real fucking issue. And I know they're going to want to BLURT OUT A RESPONSE before I even finish the preamble.

"I'm like....

*makes facial impression*
*turn to her*

"What do you think the first question should be?"

3 for 3 so far, they all have said

Girl - "What was going in the past 12 years"

Archie, "Right..."

^

I set this up to have them give me a sensible response, the second that they want to answer the question - they are seeking my approval.

So to recap
- you're not trying to build a deep friendship/kinship
- you're trying to put a chick into a cycle of validation seeking
- it needs to be low social cost to start, you can ramp up as you build up credit with the chick
- you can start with a question, but better to offer value with a different thing or incorporate value into the question
- once she jumps in, once she's dying to answer, dying to be right, - you've put her on the ladder to success

Questions?

WIA

WIA, I understand the concept you're emphasizing, about getting girls to emotionally react, but I'm having a hard time of coming up with ways to put it into practice. Although it could be due to my limited experience, most women I meet seem to be very disinterested and apathetic towards anything or anyone outside of their little bubble. The cold read makes sense and is one method I have incorporated but telling stories or jokes in a manner to elicit an emotional response seems difficult for me. Do you have any other examples of things you could say to get girls to react emotionally so that I could better understand how to use these techniques?

(10-29-2016 04:44 PM)Wala Wrote:  WIA, I understand the concept you're emphasizing, about getting girls to emotionally react, but I'm having a hard time of coming up with ways to put it into practice. Although it could be due to my limited experience, most women I meet seem to be very disinterested and apathetic towards anything or anyone outside of their little bubble. The cold read makes sense and is one method I have incorporated but telling stories or jokes in a manner to elicit an emotional response seems difficult for me. Do you have any other examples of things you could say to get girls to react emotionally so that I could better understand how to use these techniques?

Off the top of my head

4 options
- cold read
- story
- joke
- non-verbal opener - a) eye contact and say nothing, b) eye contact and pick her up off the floor etc


Or are you asking a different question?

WIA

WIA:

I'd buy your book.

(10-29-2016 08:04 PM)polar Wrote:  WIA:

I'd buy your book.

This whole thread is cashable already but I would buy it too

25% finished.

I really should pawn off this niche site rebuild stuff to someone else and just write the damn book instead of trying to maximize my Amazon stuff.

Looking to write about 30 pages on basic cold approach night game from my pov.

But now that I think about it, what would you guys want to see in a book for new guys?

The book I really want to write is for intermediate guys, and the book I want to read is how to become Barack Obama. That Bill Clinton level game

WIA

Archie, would the book be aimed at black guys specifically?

(10-30-2016 10:00 AM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  Archie, would the book be aimed at black guys specifically?

It definitely would be written with black, latino, asian, indian, middle eastern guys in mind. So if white guy Trump supporter doesn't like a Jay Z reference in what I write - fuck him.

WIA

Aside from the "standard" (cold approach, escalation/attraction, close) approach...

- LTR management
- social circle
- body language / subcommunication


Those three aren't covered in-depth in most game books. Everything else has been done to death imo.

(10-30-2016 09:41 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  The book I really want to write is for intermediate guys, and the book I want to read is how to become Barack Obama. That Bill Clinton level game

WIA

THIS! Too many of these books and advice is geared towards beginners. I don't blame them as I think it's fair to assume that these guys make up 90%+ of guys seeking advice on game. Most true intermediate and advanced level players are satisfied with their results.

Example: I banged 3 chicks, 2 7s 1 6.5 in the last 2 weeks. Most of my friends thinks that bad ass, but i'm not satisfied. I still feel my game is intermediate and i'm looking for ways to advance. I want to get to that level where game transcends opposite gender attraction, banging sarah at the bar etc. Something not to develop algorithms, but more to develop the advanced player mindset. Something like 48 laws of Power, but that's still based on a set of rules because someone else discovered it.

I think a book on creating mentalities that lead to something like Mode one, Bang, 48 laws of power is in order.

-CD