Beyond the juice not worth the squeeze almost all the time. These chicks have high T. They bang a lot of guys. You are risking STDs on top of it because they tend to fuck guys that are being waterfalled in pussy. So it is excess risk on top of headache.

Using the "I am getting the friends vibe" on a testy girl like this I think is a great move.

It is like going into a hostile interview. You need to bulldoze the interviewer and grab the frame before they get a chance. I don't consider that a great experience on a date. I am not a trial lawyer about to win a big payout if I win this.

(09-08-2016 01:08 PM)kaotic Wrote:  And fuck your 6'4 200+ Chad Thundercock self

But...facial aesthetics bruh!

Yeah I've heard kaotic is a spitting image of Matador and he wears a pink boa on his Harley. So he has a lot of cards to play.

Thing is, she used the friends vibe line on me, should've cut my losses at pool, that REALLY pissed me off.

Hey if the Hulk can wear red and yellow boas and bankrupt Gawker - I can wear a pink boa while I steal your girl on my harley.

When you beat her the second time at pool should have said "Hope you suck cock better than you play pool little girl..."

These chicks need to be cavemanned. She needs to be out-masculined. She's surely used to dudes that don't give a fuck, have options, and do and take what they want when they want.

If thats not your game then don't try to make it your game. Should have went with your gut instead of letting the pussy and the challenge bait you. Sounds like thats what happened. She was good looking and rubbing you the wrong way so you strung along.

(09-08-2016 01:35 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  When you beat her the second time at pool should have said "Hope you suck cock better than you play pool little girl..."

These chicks need to be cavemanned. She needs to be out-masculined. She's surely used to dudes that don't give a fuck, have options, and do and take what they want when they want.

If thats not your game then don't try to make it your game. Should have went with your gut instead of letting the pussy and the challenge bait you. Sounds like thats what happened. She was good looking and rubbing you the wrong way so you strung along.

Probably sums it up best and ran mediocre game - fuck that's a line I would've used to.

Oh well, next.

@kaotic

I get the vibe from the report that you should've just confronted her on it. When she starts cussing you out, you tell her to go do it outside 'cause you're enjoying the beer & game. This chick required a wholly different type of game than you were playing; you needed to go forceful, direct, confrontational, put her in her place, kind of mentality. Trying to have fun, be cocky, etc, doesn't work well on those girls (I know, I play that game well, and the former game weak; but my friend plays that game well and doesn't hesitate to tell a girl to "shut the f*** up and stop being such a bitch" entirely, 100% serious).

I'm not good with those girls, so my advice isn't the best. Just anecdotal evidence there. One branch of game I want to learn there.

Edit: Yeah, basically agreeing with everyone else here.

(09-08-2016 01:50 PM)Plutoman Wrote:  @kaotic

This chick required a wholly different type of game than you were playing; you needed to go forceful, direct, confrontational, put her in her place, kind of mentality.

Patrice talked about this.

Some chicks know how to bring about your hard side in a good way, but a lot will just antagonize you to get you there.

WIA

I can vividly remember a friend and ex-roommate from my college group scored the girl that moved in second semester on our floor everyone wanted a mid 7, great body. Done up for formal events she is in the 8 realm.

When they fought he would belligerently yell calling her out for acting like a stupid bitch (in those words exactly) which was rare because she is a very low key nice girl, she is still a woman though, then storm out and not talk to her.

They are now married, she moved across the country away from her family to be with him and she has him around his finger and admiringly looking at him and complimenting him all the time still.

However he had social class working for him, they both come from white conservative upper class families and they are both alcoholics.

Anytime your gut twists and your temper flares with a girl it is always for good reason. Let it out there and then, if she wants to be set straight give her what she wants. Also great for lowering stress levels and upping test.

Never underestimate telling a bitch. They need to be put in their place from time-to-time and they will thank you for it in more ways than one. Its rarely if ever a verbal and overt "Thank you for knowing how to handle me I loved it and appreciate it" type of deal, but they will show you by being compliant, more submissive, and showing their appreciation through actions and other indirect ways.

Remember this from the other day?

(09-01-2016 11:30 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  Girl has been texting me nonstop, texting sexy pictures, saying she misses me and wants to see me. I let her come over tonight. Things get steamy quick and next thing ya know we are up in my bedroom. I'm chowing down on her box. Get her off. She starts jerking me to get me hard. I pull out a condom and tell her I want her to suck on it.

Her: "Why?"
Me: "Because I like it"
Her: "But I don't know how"

This bullshit goes on for about 30 seconds back and forth then she says "You know why," obviously implying that because she knows I was with another chick she doesn't want to suck my dick. I tell her thats not fair and she needs to leave. I leave the room, throw the unwrapped condom away, go downstairs, and put my clothes back on.

She gets dressed and tries to hug and kiss me goodbye. I shut her off and say "No I'm annoyed with you right now you need to leave I'll talk to you later" and push her out the door.

She texted me a few days later after I gave her straight radio silence asking if I was still angry with her. I told her "not if you make it up to me "

Two days later she came over in the morning and gave a nice sloppy blowjob. I fucked her good, came on her back, and then when she was about to leave she tell me she got me a present. Pulls this box of expensive gourmet chocolates out of her purse for me.

Never underestimate telling a bitch, and the power of "no."

It's funny I've pulled those moves before and told a girl off or was super stern. Was rewarded

I think that was the turning point when she got all pissed about the pool and I didn't fight back, probably because it turns out she was right about whose turn it was, basically lost my frame.

It was definitely about putting in her place.

Lesson learned.

'No.' is the most powerful weapon in your Game arsenal. How many guys use it, even here? 2%? 5% at most.

I thought I might be losing frame with a plate the last couple of weeks so started to "No" her.

Was rewarded with amazing BJ and completely submissive the entire date. And she had on 6" heels with a short skirt when I picked her up.

I agree. Saying no is part of controlling the frame. As DonnyGately said, it's better to use it when you 'think you might be losing frame', not when you already have lost the frame, as I'm learning.

If you've already lost the frame in the relationship, then you start trying to control it again, it is exponentially more difficult. The rest of your relationship will probably be a power struggle.

It's best to hold onto it firmly from the beginning and, and not change your routine and don't backslide into nice guy beta habits.

(09-05-2016 08:16 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  Guy around the corner of this bar is on a first or second date with a tatted up peroxide blond. I hear "How do I follow you?", tune in and next thing she's showing him how to set up his instagram- first shared photo is one of them together. This will only end badly. Maybe tonight, maybe next month, maybe in 5 years.

Maybe that chick is a side piece and he doesn't want anybody finding out so he made a new IG account?

...Probably not...

I was thinking about writing a full data sheet on gay bar game. If you're truly looking to get laid (yes, with an attractive girl) and live in a major city, this is an absolute no brainer.

No competition, thirsty women, everyone is your wingman, and the whole experience is hilariously entertaining.

Homos FTW

Saw this blonde, very busty cute young office worker go down into the train. I waited for a bit, finished my smoke, then went downstairs. Glanced around, and sure enough, shes standing right there on the platform, right in front of me. I go up to where she is, but stand about 10 ft away, on the platform. Up comes the train, we walk in, and I am next to her. Shes blasting tunes in the headphones, a few tats, some edge to her, and I would guess 22-23. I let a few stops go by, she takes out her headphones, and I say, "TGIF". In broken english she says "what do you mean??", I say, thank god its friday, havent you ever heard that one? She says no, and I ask her if shes from another country, and she says Hungary. BOOM! We talk, shes going to Lavo tonight with her friends. I say, give me your number, and there you go. We are meeting up tomorrow. I love this shit.

I thought I would take a break, but Im coming back into the right head space, approach is so much fun. Why wait. I was taking a total game break for September, but I am surrounded in it. I can play a little everyday, but not let it consume me. Pussy can consume me, but I need to dabble with some approaches. Not a priest, or a MGTOW.

(09-08-2016 02:14 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Charge it to the game.

Kaotic, have to say it man, but this chick comes off like a man hating lesbian. She may not even know it yet. Putting this chick in her place would be as much fun as hitting yourself in the head with a hammer. Would she like it? Maybe, but who cares. You have to want to fuck her first. At that point I would have zero interest in trying to set her straight. Walk this one off.

Got a date with a Mormon girl. It's a double date with my German friend and her fiancé.

We've barely had a full conversation before I walked up to her and asked her what she was doing this Thursday. She volunteered her number and wrote down the date in her agenda in front of me. One of those shy girls that doesn't emote much.

Don't really know how to go after this. The bang might be impossible, and going for it is scary, but I get the vibe it'll be easy, so I'll escalate and gauge it. Just haven't thought out the smoothest path to escalation. Don't know if I should text her before or what.

I have zero experience with religious chicks, especially Mormons. From what I know, I'll go a bit easy and text her tomorrow to touch base, but keep it short and not be soft with her, because I can guarantee that not carrying myself like a Mormon dude is why my foot was already in the door. Anyone have relevant experience with girls like this?

0/2 this weekend, couple bad calls. Met a fit, cute, drunk chick on the street last night between bars looking at her phone "You're pretty cute. You look lost" Going to a bar to meet friends and set on it. Could've gone for number and bounced but I am trying to push all comfort limits this summer so decided to stick it out and meet the group. Talk for a minute and she asked where I was going "Well I was going to meet a buddy at X but you're pretty cute (again, I know) so I might just go with you".

Walk in and it was 3 guys and 3 girls at a booth, she was definitely the hot one. Group was very taken aback, two of the guys were giving off strong white knight "why are you trying to take advantage of our drunk friend" vibes. Introduction, went to get a beer, just for me and talked with another 1 guy/3 girl group "They've got wine on tap now? What will they think of next" at the bar for 5-10 minutes to build some value and not lock myself into one set. Rejoined first group, made a comment about where did all the low chairs go, she scooted over on the bench. Had my work cut out for me here and focused more on winning them over than her in hindsight. Got up to let her to the bathroom at one point and she stood there for a minute by booth talking with me - this is where I should've gone for the kill, either pull her away then, or intercept her on the way back to the booth away from group...but I didn't.

I made it clear I wasn't going to try to tag along with them, they were getting ready to leave and distracted talking about where to go I hit her up for the number "I actually have a boyfriend. It's...weird right now"
"Oh yea? Doesn't sound like it's going too well"
"No. He's crazy"

Some were getting up and walking out, some were clearly waiting to escort her, considered how to go about this, decided to enter her name, stall her and hand her phone on the way out, was too much multitasking to handle, walked by with a "nice to meet you" as I was pulling up "new contact".

To be fair, if I knew she had a BF I probably would've been more tuned in to the killer instinct to isolate earlier. Live and learn, next time I'll throw in a line like "you don't have an angry boyfriend waiting for you at X bar, right"? or something, and calibrate accordingly.

Pulled a Brazilian au pair off the street to a bar the night before. She was complaining about having to leave for a trip with the family early the next day but I thought I could push through. Got her to come with me to a park and drink some wine. Groups of roving dweebs were literally walking right by us in a pretty remote spot, chasing fucking Pokemon at 1 AM on a Friday. Fooled around but couldn't escalate enough before she bailed. I also don't think I've ever met a woman who failed to respond viscerally to touch as much as she did - fistful of hair at the back of her neck, stroking her inner thigh, kissing her neck, nothing gave her that back-arching, inhibition-dropping, endorphin rush. I really want to bang now to find out if she is the ultimate starfish or ultimate freak in the sheets. She's probably just looking for a green card.

(09-10-2016 07:10 PM)Tex Wrote:  Anyone have relevant experience with girls like this?

Check this guy's site, might be some other articles. You may find this one relevant - http://swooptheworld.com/who-is-20nation...adventure/

Went on an OKC date last night. Girl was fatter than she looked in her pics. Still cool to chill with. Had a few drinks and got buzzed. Went back to her place and almost fucked her. She invited me to her bed let me feel her titties but wouldn't let me put my hand between her legs so I left. She was unnatractive and an admitted feminist. Wish I had an excuse for you guys. I don't. She probably;y gives good head.

I have another date lined up for tonight and tomorrow with different girls from OKC. New pics work. Both girls are better looking promise

EDIT: I do have an excuse actually. I stopped jerking off the other day after my issue with "overuse" and it affecting my performance. My freaky girl hasn't been able to meet up with me the past few days and now she is on her period so I've been ready to fucking explode.

@General Stalin: OKCupid is a terrible pain in the ass and a waste of time for newbies like me, but I'm sure users as experienced as you do much, much better.

Speaking of OKCupid, doesn't it seem like there is a huge amount of girls who write something along the lines of "don't message me if you aren't an intersectional feminist fine with polyamory, and fuck off if you're the type who laughs when I say my degree is in Women's Studies, and kill yourself if you think rape culture doesn't exist, and blahblahblah (long list of things she doesn't approve of)"?

(That's how OKCupid seems to be like in NYC)

Has anyone here actually messaged someone like that? Has anyone here went out with any? I'm willing to bet that they would be willing to toss their litmus tests aside if they were really attracted to you.

Rule of thumb is to ignore all dis-qualifiers. If you are attracted then shoot a message. Doesn't hurt.

On my OKC profile I changed some of my answers to "pro-rape" and wrote some jokes in. This has resulted in getting 1 new like a day so far.

xD

(09-11-2016 01:22 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  EDIT: I do have an excuse actually. I stopped jerking off the other day after my issue with "overuse" and it affecting my performance. My freaky girl hasn't been able to meet up with me the past few days and now she is on her period so I've been ready to fucking explode.

How did "overuse" affect your performance?

How long did it take for your performance to go back to normal?

I ask because I've been having this issue too, and it's starting to get to me. I've refrained for a bit, but wonder if there's a period where your levels balance themselves out and you're back to being a normal human being who doesn't fap excessively.

(09-11-2016 08:44 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  How did "overuse" affect your performance?

I couldn't keep a good consistent boner with a girl for more than 1 round. She was sucking me off, offering me anal, whatever I wanted - still couldn't get/keep an erection. Even the next morning trying for some good morning sex. Nada.

(09-11-2016 08:44 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  How long did it take for your performance to go back to normal?

I stopped watching porn and jerking off for several days. I have sex at least a couple times a week and generally masturbate once a day sometimes skip a day. One particular day I had a girl come over in the morning, I jerked off in the afternoon, then went to another girl's house that night. Was just too much.

It's like anything really: over stimulation has a negative affect. I just left my dick alone for a few days and I was fine.

Not jerking off is really just self control. Having options to bang other women with just a text and a quick car ride obviously helps a lot too.