(03-04-2016 09:34 AM)DarianFrey Wrote:  ^ Damn kaotic



Crisp call-out. Please post her reply.

A woman who has shame and isn't stupid, won't reply to that. Which of course she didn't reply.

I wasn't expecting her too, I have a feeling she's learned her lesson (temporarily).

(03-04-2016 11:40 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  Some people swear by the no-dinner-date mindset. I agree for the most part unless it is on the premise of her coming over to your place to cook for/with you. If she's cooking for you then she is being feminine and investing which is great. If she is cooking with you then it's a fun date activity in and of itself. You can give her instructions and tasks to do while spending time together doing an activity and talking/flirting sipping wine while you hang out in the kitchen. Stir fry is a super easy but fun one because it requires a lot of veggies to be cut(her) and raw meat to be handled(you). You get the idea.

Having good tunes to put on and some good stuff to sip on is the ticket. Bachelor pad game is some shit not to overlook.

The good news is, she doesn't want to drink and I don't either. So we settled on her coming over, chilling out, and showing my rifle. I think she knows what's up.

She texted me around 9 at night in vegas then called me at 4 in the morning afterwards, I didn't respond to her until later on Saturday evening of course.

I've never gone on a dinner date, I've never cooked for a girl at my house, but I can see how much value comes out of it, I'm a bit ashamed of my kitchen, especially the floor.

(03-06-2016 02:13 AM)draguer Wrote:  Just took a 'christian' girl's virginity who is in a five year relationship.

That's just sad for that guy, even worse, is that dude will end up marrying her.

Game>Religion

(03-06-2016 04:11 AM)germanico Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 10:50 AM)Fury Wrote:  Has anyone ever dated a girl that found you to be "too interesting and adventurous"?

When you are blue pill, most of the girls reject you because they are too much for you.

When you turn red pill, most of the girls reject you because you are too much for them.

Everybody wants a Ferrari. Not everyone can afford one.

And even then, it still will be too much for them, an ammount they rather keep stashed away rather than spending it. She sees all the cool thing that will be going on in her life with you around and since its so much more than she is able or willing to give, shed rather tell herself that you are "incompatible" and have a shallow relationship-of-sorts with one of the cookie cutter hipsters she is used to handle.

The Armenian girl who came back texting me straight told me, my lifestyle intimidates her, that she was afraid of me, that she wasn't worthy.

Her hamster was going crazy and making all sorts of excuses why she shouldn't go on another date with me or fuck me. Even when she literally told me - she wants to fuck me.

Funny how the tables turn.

(03-06-2016 12:10 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  -snip-

Just a reminder that having options and a busy life is good in the eyes of many women.

100% - a woman would rather be with a man whose busy working and doing shit with his life, than a man who isn't doing shit with his life and has a shitload of free time (unless you're balling or run your own business etc)


So this weekend was an absolute success for my friends bday.

Rented out a mansion near some local breweries - it was just the boys and my friends wife and baby the first night. Stayed at the house, unloaded things, hungout, shot pool, drank and did a bit of blow.

I even learned alot about wine - had my first 2 actual glasses -ever.

Yeah I know, shocking. I thought I'd honestly hate it, but looks like it's pretty decent.

Woke up early the next morning got everything ready, started pounding mimosas, everyone showed up, we rolled about 30 people deep in a party bus and bounce to two breweries.

My friend invited this 40 year old semi cougar milf, she was down to drink, she was by my side teaching me wine, even did some blow with us.

Did a side bet with a buddy of mine on a hockey game, he lost and had to take a nasty ass shot.

We got to the second venue, it was an absolute shit show by then, drank some more, did some more blow, one of my buddies ended up pulling some thick mexican girl and her mom to our group.

We got back on the bus, headed back to the mansion, threw on music, drinks, obviously blow was a factor the entire evening.

Finally showered, threw on a custom suit and headed back downstairs.

Everyone was complimenting me on my suit and pocket sqaure, my shoes were on point also.

We watched the UFC fight, both main fights were upsets. Then continued late into the night.

There was a point in the night where 2 of my friend told me I could bang that cougar, but my dick went into hiding courtesy of the blow. There was another girl also, she was by default, but I just was blown out of my wind and drunk. We just danced, drank, and partied all night.

Some drama happened:

-Friends GF gets in a bad mood, and she wants to always drag everyone else down.
-So she starts dropping negative vibes and noone wants to be around that.
-Another friend absolutely was talking down his girl for losing half an 8 ball and then for eating like a fatty.
-She wants kids and marriage, my friend doesn't.
-She starts dropping blows on him and he tosses her, all in front of a few people. Me and birthday boy kick everyone out and talk to him.

Good examples or relationship dynamics, one has the powers, the other is powerless.

Anyways we wake up Sunday morning clean up, one of our pos friends slept through that all.

I match a girl on Tinder yesterday afternoon, and I'm balls deep in her that night.

She even had in her profile "No Netflix and Chill" "Not here to hook up"

Guess what we did ?



It was a fucking awesome weekend.

Sometimes it takes me a few days to realize where I may have fucked up with a girl. Just feeling frustrated and wanted to bang this out.

Had a good date with a shy Finnish girl living here in the states Friday night. She refuses me to pick her up and instead rides her bicycle to the bar we're meeting at that night. Her ride is like 30 minutes on bike and it's only a few blocks from me in my truck. So, it's kind of ridiculous but whatever.

She wants to buy her own drink so I let her. She's actually a sweet girl. Very pretty. Her parents both died at an early age so maybe this explains some of this.

We bounced to a second place just a short walk down the street. She was going to unlock her bike and bring it. I told her just leave it there as it's a close walk.

We played darts and I said I could get this round and she said something to the effect of "it's kind of awkward". I just smirked and said 'well you'll get the next round'

I beat her at darts but she had fun then we sat on a couch and chilled with our drinks. Walked her back to her bike and offered to let her throw it in my truck and I'll ride her home. She says no thank you. I go for the kiss and it's quite nice with some brief hand touching.

Two days later on Sunday, she texts me inviting me to a festival at a big park in town. Good sign. She says some friends of hers will be there so I almost consider not going but do.

I find her in the crowds of people and see her from behind. I walk behind her and gently touch her waist and the small of her back. I think that threw her off. She looked a little uncomfortable and in retrospect I think she thought I was being 'too familiar' touching her like that. Jesus.

So, I basically set a bad vibe from the get go at the park. Her two friends, a guy and girl introduce themselves and we all talk. The Finnish girl was talking but seemed kind of reserved. In retrospect, she may have been hoping I wouldn't do any PDA in public. Of course, I wasn't planning on it.

I mentioned I was going back to my place to watch a band playing at my apartments but she says no thank you as she's going to yoga class with her friend here at the park. When I hug her goodbye she makes an extreme point to completely turn her head to make sure I won't go for the kiss. Her friends were standing right there watching so I kind of understand this.

I texted her tonight and she texted right back. Then, when I texted her again it's been two hours and no text. I may or may not hear from her but I think she thought I was 'moving too fast' with that touch from behind in retrospect. This sucks because it was the first successful day game pickup and date(s) I've had in a while. These day game pickups haven't been amounting to shit for me the past 6 months.

All my good dates and bangs have been coming from online. I guess I'll have to just keeping banging all these online sluts as opposed to sweet gorgeous foreign girls I pick up at the grocery.

It's the cards I've been dealt as of late.

At this point, my best estimate is she'll either wait until later tomorrow to text, meaning her interest level has dropped a good bit, or I won't hear back at all.

At that point, I'll wait until the week after next to text her since I'm out of town next week.

One "wrong" move on my part and she's gone cold. Fuck. Once you're out with women, you're out.

TL/DR: decent first date with Finnish girl I picked up with day game. She called me two days later to meet her and her friends at the park. It seems I spooked her a bit when I got the park and touched her/ she's very self conscious in front of her friends. Now she's gone cold. Bring on the online sluts.

(03-04-2016 12:18 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 11:40 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  Some people swear by the no-dinner-date mindset. I agree for the most part unless it is on the premise of her coming over to your place to cook for/with you.

What is everyone's go to second date plan when the first date is drinks but the woman doesn't come back to your place? This could be due to logistics, her not being ready for that step etc.

I've tried inviting women straight to my place for the second date but most of the time it triggers the ASD and it goes nowhere.

It's always felt like to me dating venues are kind of like a ladder. Meaning if we meet for drinks on the first date it should be food/dinner on the second and so on. However these second sushi/dinner/apps dates are almost always busts for me. I need to correct this part of my dating strategy.

My guess is you are not running enough comfort game.

Just to remind everyone of the importance of having good photos online: I had a teenage ballerina [legal] message me this weekend on a dating site saying how 'Utterly amazing' I looked in my profile photo. Needless to say the 20-yr age difference didn't bother her much. She's currently traveling so wish me luck when she gets back, she already indicated she's very submissive.

I've smashed one ballerina before - 24y old romanian - and it definitely lived up to the fantasy.

Plus think of all the money I'll save on food!

(03-06-2016 10:18 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

(03-06-2016 10:07 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(03-06-2016 09:43 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  This isn't advice on women necessarily, but it's to help my younger brother who's a Junior in High School.

Kid works out, I make sure his style is above par for his age(bar a few goofy Aeropostale hoodies), and he's generally a book smart kid.

The issue is that I can't break it down for him that he needs to stop being a whiny millennial bitch. For fuck's sake we're part of an immigrant family and lived in the hood when we moved to the States. The last straw was that he didn't even have the self-restraint to not curse in front of my mother when I saw him today.

My mom had to restrain me from kicking his ass. How should I break it down for this stubborn kid? Help him improve his mentality and tell him to ditch his shitty nerdy friends. I don't want my own blood to turn into Elliot Rodger since he's already acting confrontational and saying the usual "You don't understand me" bullshit. Thankfully I'm taking steps already with the youngest brother so he can grow up better.

All the best,

H

You think you can get him to check out the forum?

Maybe soft sell it to him some way instead of prosthelytize;

"yeah, after I started reading this one site on male improvement, it helped me start getting with and dating higher quality girls (or what his big interests are). A lot of guys on there who walk the walk giving great ideas"

Or some such. Some way to get him exposed to the red pill.

I'm trying to give him bits of the red pill, but as I've said he's too stuck in that whiny bubble of his. The "you don't understand me" bullshit even though I barely have a few years on him. He takes the worst part of our own father's social awkwardness and stubbornness then mixes it with a whiny millennial attitude.

He selectively listens to me, but that's about it. His interests are also video games besides his studying and that rabbit hole called reddit. Thankfully he's off social media at the very least.

Right now my goal is to make sure he can even become receptive. He's still in his formative years so I have time, but right now it's about making him see the light.

Second he hits 18 though, I plan to take him to the nearest night club and show him the magic of the game, but that's still a ways away.

Make him sign up for a real sport, any sport. Hell, even running or tennis.

(03-07-2016 11:39 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

(03-06-2016 10:18 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

(03-06-2016 10:07 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(03-06-2016 09:43 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  This isn't advice on women necessarily, but it's to help my younger brother who's a Junior in High School.

Kid works out, I make sure his style is above par for his age(bar a few goofy Aeropostale hoodies), and he's generally a book smart kid.

The issue is that I can't break it down for him that he needs to stop being a whiny millennial bitch. For fuck's sake we're part of an immigrant family and lived in the hood when we moved to the States. The last straw was that he didn't even have the self-restraint to not curse in front of my mother when I saw him today.

My mom had to restrain me from kicking his ass. How should I break it down for this stubborn kid? Help him improve his mentality and tell him to ditch his shitty nerdy friends. I don't want my own blood to turn into Elliot Rodger since he's already acting confrontational and saying the usual "You don't understand me" bullshit. Thankfully I'm taking steps already with the youngest brother so he can grow up better.

All the best,

H

You think you can get him to check out the forum?

Maybe soft sell it to him some way instead of prosthelytize;

"yeah, after I started reading this one site on male improvement, it helped me start getting with and dating higher quality girls (or what his big interests are). A lot of guys on there who walk the walk giving great ideas"

Or some such. Some way to get him exposed to the red pill.

I'm trying to give him bits of the red pill, but as I've said he's too stuck in that whiny bubble of his. The "you don't understand me" bullshit even though I barely have a few years on him. He takes the worst part of our own father's social awkwardness and stubbornness then mixes it with a whiny millennial attitude.

He selectively listens to me, but that's about it. His interests are also video games besides his studying and that rabbit hole called reddit. Thankfully he's off social media at the very least.

Right now my goal is to make sure he can even become receptive. He's still in his formative years so I have time, but right now it's about making him see the light.

Second he hits 18 though, I plan to take him to the nearest night club and show him the magic of the game, but that's still a ways away.

Make him sign up for a real sport, any sport. Hell, even running or tennis.

Kid starts whining and bitching every time I try to make him do something. I'd have tried it if I could. At least he's hitting the gym. I'm just going to start working out with him and teaching him as much about life as I can at this point.

I don't think there's much more I can do considering how much of an angsty bitch he is at time, and the fact that our relationship with each other has only recently become positive.

(03-07-2016 10:50 PM)robreke Wrote:  Sometimes it takes me a few days to realize where I may have fucked up with a girl. Just feeling frustrated and wanted to bang this out.

Had a good date with a shy Finnish girl living here in the states Friday night. She refuses me to pick her up and instead rides her bicycle to the bar we're meeting at that night. Her ride is like 30 minutes on bike and it's only a few blocks from me in my truck. So, it's kind of ridiculous but whatever.

She wants to buy her own drink so I let her. She's actually a sweet girl. Very pretty. Her parents both died at an early age so maybe this explains some of this.

We bounced to a second place just a short walk down the street. She was going to unlock her bike and bring it. I told her just leave it there as it's a close walk.

We played darts and I said I could get this round and she said something to the effect of "it's kind of awkward". I just smirked and said 'well you'll get the next round'

I beat her at darts but she had fun then we sat on a couch and chilled with our drinks. Walked her back to her bike and offered to let her throw it in my truck and I'll ride her home. She says no thank you. I go for the kiss and it's quite nice with some brief hand touching.

Two days later on Sunday, she texts me inviting me to a festival at a big park in town. Good sign. She says some friends of hers will be there so I almost consider not going but do.

I find her in the crowds of people and see her from behind. I walk behind her and gently touch her waist and the small of her back. I think that threw her off. She looked a little uncomfortable and in retrospect I think she thought I was being 'too familiar' touching her like that. Jesus.

So, I basically set a bad vibe from the get go at the park. Her two friends, a guy and girl introduce themselves and we all talk. The Finnish girl was talking but seemed kind of reserved. In retrospect, she may have been hoping I wouldn't do any PDA in public. Of course, I wasn't planning on it.

I mentioned I was going back to my place to watch a band playing at my apartments but she says no thank you as she's going to yoga class with her friend here at the park. When I hug her goodbye she makes an extreme point to completely turn her head to make sure I won't go for the kiss. Her friends were standing right there watching so I kind of understand this.

I texted her tonight and she texted right back. Then, when I texted her again it's been two hours and no text. I may or may not hear from her but I think she thought I was 'moving too fast' with that touch from behind in retrospect. This sucks because it was the first successful day game pickup and date(s) I've had in a while. These day game pickups haven't been amounting to shit for me the past 6 months.

All my good dates and bangs have been coming from online. I guess I'll have to just keeping banging all these online sluts as opposed to sweet gorgeous foreign girls I pick up at the grocery.

It's the cards I've been dealt as of late.

At this point, my best estimate is she'll either wait until later tomorrow to text, meaning her interest level has dropped a good bit, or I won't hear back at all.

At that point, I'll wait until the week after next to text her since I'm out of town next week.

One "wrong" move on my part and she's gone cold. Fuck. Once you're out with women, you're out.

TL/DR: decent first date with Finnish girl I picked up with day game. She called me two days later to meet her and her friends at the park. It seems I spooked her a bit when I got the park and touched her/ she's very self conscious in front of her friends. Now she's gone cold. Bring on the online sluts.

Women are women I highly doubt it was the PDA. I think she just had second thoughts is all. Just keep growing that facial hair out and dressing like you do you'll find another one mate.



Cheers

I broke my rule and had a first date with a 36 year old woman. We had matched on Bumble some time back and I flaked on her. She texted me today wanting to meetup and since I was free tonight I figured what the hell?

She looked great in person, had a great body and I absolutely WB. But as usual for mid thirties women her body language was guarded, trying to gain any rapport with her was impossible and she quickly swatted away my invite back to my place for a drink.

At our cars she gave me a quick peck on the lips and that was that. It just confirms how I'm so over women in their mid to late thirties.

The fake titty girl sent me a long ass message:

TL;DR: I'm getting feelings, I need focus on my work, writing my astro/horo/palm/psychic reading book and website.

Shame, she was really really cool and very laid back. Better now than later.

Got a few more new numbers, the 20 year old southern girl seems flaky, even thought she sent me an ass and topless shot on Friday at the beginning of my vacation. Her body is banging, she was even upset I didn't respond to her ass covered by shirt pic in bed that evening. Told her she was basically "half assing" that photo and it wasn't much of an ass shot.

Passed that shit test, rewarded with a naked ass laying in bed. Told her that was barely a booty shot. She called me an ass and that she was going to send me a shirtless pic but not anymore.

Told her I'm not being ass, and she was playing peek a boo with her ass. Told her she was bluffing.

Shit test passed, sent a topless photo with her laying sideways on the bed, neck down to almost her pussy. Banging body, give it an 8.

We chatted yesterday, she saw my pics I sent and was jealous, sent me a screenshot of a conversation between her and a girl, saying how horrible this date was.

A few things were obvious, she's probably a serial dater duh, she went to the guys house (good sign), she said it was disgusting (mines always clean), and he tried going for the bang and failed, she wasn't fucking on the first date.

One other thing, don't put on a shitty movie, Trav, Gio, and I discussed this pages ago. Put on a funny ass movie, nothing ever serious or some gay ass love story. She complained about that.

I hit her back today, my iMessage never got delivered, figured she blocked me, sent a follow up text later asking her schedule, no respones. Until late this afternoon, so she didn't block me, we'll soo.

The dude didn't run any comfort game, but DID get her straight over to his pad.

We'll see, I got a few more options.

I also think the trainer is getting irritated she hasn't seen me in almost 2 weeks, we're meeting tommorow. She even dropped a "I want to go out line" I ignored and told her to cruise out this way. She agreed.

The 19 year old I can do anything with wants to meet weds, but I'm cashing in on this 20 year old southern bell or the asian girl I've gone on 2 days with.

She declined my offer for meeting up, I think I might of been too pushy. Did say another day this week, she was "introverted" today.

Whatever, we'll see.

Got a date with an old plate today, I initially thought about dumping her due to the first notch being hard because of extreme LMR, but she apologized today and wants to meet again. Let's hope she'll make it easy.

Going to Poland (Wroclaw) in a few weeks, and I've been working on some girls from Tinder.

Now the question starts popping up about how long I'm staying (which is about 3 days).

What's the best course of action here, in regards to replying?

(03-09-2016 02:52 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  Going to Poland (Wroclaw) in a few weeks, and I've been working on some girls from Tinder.

Now the question starts popping up about how long I'm staying (which is about 3 days).

What's the best course of action here, in regards to replying?

"As long as I need to"

Lie.

I'm not sure if Wroclaw's one of those parts of Poland with a sex-tourist stigma to it, but I'd play safe and brush off your reply, or if possible, not bring up the fact that you're only going to be there for a bit.

The flip side is that implying you're here for a while might encourage flakiness. If so, say that you'll be in and out of town often.

Just wrapped up another date whereby I didn't get the makeout, let alone the bang.

Local 23 y/o student, Tinder. I was honestly chancing it as I'd half regretted matching at first, judging her to be a 5 from her photos. She looked better in life, but no more than a 6.5.

We'd already flaked on each other once (the second time was my fault - I didn't confirm the day and she assumed it wasn't on), ending up with a date on a rainy night, I was 5 minutes late for a girl who happened to be a stickler for punctuality, and I forgot myself by not greeting her with a spin and kiss on the cheek as is my norm. So far so good, right?

I forgot that the place I took her to was, while a date venue, also a favourite haunt of jacked, good-looking, 6'2" 30-something dudes. The sorts of people who shared the lift with us and who were milling in front of the bar. I ignored them and we smiled at each other on and off.
We were on and off silent on the way up and while waiting for our drinks, mostly small talk which she steered towards the topic of university -- I'll say I've felt more blatant chemistry from the get go on other dates. It was definitely incongruous with our Tinder exchange.

As the conversation progressed into what we wanted to do out of uni, I think we clicked a bit more. Like a lot of 20-somethings in her part of town, she had really idealistic left-leaning values which motivated her to want to use her MA in Social Work to help with indigenous communities, but denied being a typical north-side hipster when I teased her about it (Melburnians will get what I mean).

At some point I jokingly called her out on staring off into the skyline -- which this venue has a spectacular field of. She also didn't ask questions back at times when prompted.

Somehow we segued into the topic of our families; she revealed that her old man had left hers' when she was little, and didn't want to have anything to do her and her siblings, and that he cheated on her mum while having his way with a string of other women. She said that she didn't often share this matter, and clearly it struck a chord in her -- she briefly wiped her eyes at that point. I rubbed her thigh and told her what she could do about her dad, but hinted that I wasn't there to counsel her. We shared our experiences on this matter, I told her my family background was similar (which it was, but not as bad, I played it up a bit).

She suggested changing the topic, and I brought up something we touched on earlier, asking her what she was looking for on Tinder.
"I'm honestly not sure...just putting myself out there I guess," she said.
"Aren't we all, though, " I countered.
I had earlier on teased her about using Tinder dates to relieve the burden of her uni workload, and at that point joked that had she admitted to looking for a relationship, I'd have left the bar there and then.
We agreed that our school loads wouldn't quite give us the time for a relationship and had a laugh about that. Then she became a bit more pensive.
"I dunno, maybe I am looking for a relationship," she said. "I just wanna meet guys outside where I normally am."

Our tone became semi-light-hearted as we talked about trying to find someone on campus (both our courses have a dearth of the opposite gender) and gender roles in dating (she broached the meet up on Tinder).


Upon suggesting a venue change, she said that she had an early start tomorrow, and couldn't budge from that. She declined another round of drinks, saying her doesn't drink much these days. The cold and the rain was putting her off walking around too much. Pity, logistically, I was pretty solid.

Nevertheless, she had a bit of time to kill before her bus. I led us towards a park on the way back to mine . . . which was on the way to her bus stop.
The dampness meant we couldn't sit down at the park and get too friendly. Upon getting to her bus stop, she offered to walk me to my bike given that she had an umbrella. I kept getting left out of its shelter, and I snuggled against her, saying, "I don't bite".
"Don't you?" she asked coyly.
"I'm sure you're tasty enough," was my rejoinder. "Aren't you into rough play?"
"Nah, not really," she said. ". . . I'm not sure what I want out of guys, kind of like a lot things in life, "she finished off in response.

At the point of splitting up, we made plans to see each other next week, I pushed her a day when her assignments are all due for the moment. She said, "Friday...I'll text you."
I leaned back a bit and spread out my arms with a smirk. "I'm not really into hugging," she said, but we did so anyway.

Thanks for reading if my recount is that long-winded. I'm not sure whether the signs are in my favour, partly out of inexperience, partly out of disheartenment at the apparent lack of success over my last few days. Or maybe I'm too expectant of securing the bang by the first date. I would like to get the bang, but I'm wondering if that's a lack of game on my part or if our pace is OK given the circumstances. She's no huge loss as I'm gaming much hotter girls at the moment, but I see her case as practice.

First things first as I'm on my phone and can't break a few things down, but it looks like you lost frame and fucked up on your entry. Also 5 minutes late is good.

You should have walked in like you owned the place and since I believe she gave you shit I would have just teased her over her giving you shit. I'll give a more detailed response over every part later.

(03-10-2016 09:47 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  ... and since I believe she gave you shit I would have just teased her over her giving you shit.

I don't believe I said so, certainly not at the start. If anything, I ribbed her for being on her mobile while waiting for me.

I look slightly different IRL than in my photos, which she must've forgotten, I don't know if that had a bearing too.

Look forward to your feedback, I have a different one tomorrow night so I need to up my date game.

(03-10-2016 09:35 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  Just wrapped up another date whereby I didn't get the makeout, let alone the bang.

Local 23 y/o student, Tinder. I was honestly chancing it as I'd half regretted matching at first, judging her to be a 5 from her photos. She looked better in life, but no more than a 6.5.

We'd already flaked on each other once (the second time was my fault - I didn't confirm the day and she assumed it wasn't on), ending up with a date on a rainy night, I was 5 minutes late for a girl who happened to be a stickler for punctuality, and I forgot myself by not greeting her with a spin and kiss on the cheek as is my norm. So far so good, right?

I forgot that the place I took her to was, while a date venue, also a favourite haunt of jacked, good-looking, 6'2" 30-something dudes. The sorts of people who shared the lift with us and who were milling in front of the bar. I ignored them and we smiled at each other on and off.
We were on and off silent on the way up and while waiting for our drinks, mostly small talk which she steered towards the topic of university -- I'll say I've felt more blatant chemistry from the get go on other dates. It was definitely incongruous with our Tinder exchange.

As the conversation progressed into what we wanted to do out of uni, I think we clicked a bit more. Like a lot of 20-somethings in her part of town, she had really idealistic left-leaning values which motivated her to want to use her MA in Social Work to help with indigenous communities, but denied being a typical north-side hipster when I teased her about it (Melburnians will get what I mean).

At some point I jokingly called her out on staring off into the skyline -- which this venue has a spectacular field of. She also didn't ask questions back at times when prompted.

Somehow we segued into the topic of our families; she revealed that her old man had left hers' when she was little, and didn't want to have anything to do her and her siblings, and that he cheated on her mum while having his way with a string of other women. She said that she didn't often share this matter, and clearly it struck a chord in her -- she briefly wiped her eyes at that point. I rubbed her thigh and told her what she could do about her dad, but hinted that I wasn't there to counsel her. We shared our experiences on this matter, I told her my family background was similar (which it was, but not as bad, I played it up a bit).

She suggested changing the topic, and I brought up something we touched on earlier, asking her what she was looking for on Tinder.
"I'm honestly not sure...just putting myself out there I guess," she said.
"Aren't we all, though, " I countered.
I had earlier on teased her about using Tinder dates to relieve the burden of her uni workload, and at that point joked that had she admitted to looking for a relationship, I'd have left the bar there and then.
We agreed that our school loads wouldn't quite give us the time for a relationship and had a laugh about that. Then she became a bit more pensive.
"I dunno, maybe I am looking for a relationship," she said. "I just wanna meet guys outside where I normally am."

Our tone became semi-light-hearted as we talked about trying to find someone on campus (both our courses have a dearth of the opposite gender) and gender roles in dating (she broached the meet up on Tinder).


Upon suggesting a venue change, she said that she had an early start tomorrow, and couldn't budge from that. She declined another round of drinks, saying her doesn't drink much these days. The cold and the rain was putting her off walking around too much. Pity, logistically, I was pretty solid.

Nevertheless, she had a bit of time to kill before her bus. I led us towards a park on the way back to mine . . . which was on the way to her bus stop.
The dampness meant we couldn't sit down at the park and get too friendly. Upon getting to her bus stop, she offered to walk me to my bike given that she had an umbrella. I kept getting left out of its shelter, and I snuggled against her, saying, "I don't bite".
"Don't you?" she asked coyly.
"I'm sure you're tasty enough," was my rejoinder. "Aren't you into rough play?"
"Nah, not really," she said. ". . . I'm not sure what I want out of guys, kind of like a lot things in life, "she finished off in response.

At the point of splitting up, we made plans to see each other next week, I pushed her a day when her assignments are all due for the moment. She said, "Friday...I'll text you."
I leaned back a bit and spread out my arms with a smirk. "I'm not really into hugging," she said, but we did so anyway.

Thanks for reading if my recount is that long-winded. I'm not sure whether the signs are in my favour, partly out of inexperience, partly out of disheartenment at the apparent lack of success over my last few days. Or maybe I'm too expectant of securing the bang by the first date. I would like to get the bang, but I'm wondering if that's a lack of game on my part or if our pace is OK given the circumstances. She's no huge loss as I'm gaming much hotter girls at the moment, but I see her case as practice.

This chick sounds like what I call "sourpussy". If she's not upbeat and happy to be there (wherever that happens to be) from the onset then she' relying on you (or whoever) to put on the clown show and MAKE her happy. Bringing a chick like this from her natural state (morose) into an artificial one (cheerful) takes time, effort and even longer to one where she's comfortable enough to be attracted to you and even further to arousal.

Sourpussy chicks can only be cracked on the first date by either extreme antics of a clown show or digging into her "core wound" (something everyone has to a varying degree...but that's another topic) . In this case it sounds like she has issues with her father and that translates into her "relationships" with men. She would likely respond better to an older guy that plays to healing her core wound. (At 45 this is a central part of my game on younger chicks). Getting a chick to fuck you to feel better about herself (rather than the enjoyment of the act itself) is deep water swimming

Think of it this way. Getting sex is like running a race with pussy as the finish line. First date sex is like a 100 yd dash. Going out with a morose chick is like starting a 100 yd sprint, 50 yards behind the starting line. Unless your game is like next level Jedi...you don't stand a chance

Why do that?

Start with cheerful upbeat chicks (The Happy Gene in my signature) and you'll be ahead as soon as the race starts. This is true in both short and long game. But especially if you end up in an LTR

^ What PT said is dead on. As much as many people tout game as the cure all "get any woman you want" it's complete bullshit at least in my experience. In order for the date to go anywhere there has to be something there for you to work with and it didn't look like you had much of anything.

Most of my dates I can tell in the first 2-5 minutes if anything is going to happen that night or not. If she's not happy, her body language is closed off and she's otherwise standoffish it's not going anywhere and it's best to make it an early one round of drinks night. The analogy I use is if you watch any pro poker shows on TV you'll see many of the best poker players in the world throwing back their initial two cards. These guys are sitting on specific hands to be dealt to them and if they don't get them they know the odds are against them.

Now, taking the poker strategy one step further, IF they get the cards that's where the real skill (read: game) comes into play. If this girl had shown up happy, engaged and open to what you were offering then your game skills would be put to use and you would have a fighting chance.

Long story short, don't even worry about this one, there was nothing there to be had anyway.

Just finished my 5th girl in 5 days. Old plates, but still, about to complete a hat trick.

^ All of them raw?

Looks like the Harem has fallen apart:

MILF with shitty tats got pissy because we didn't hangout this week
Fake Titty astro girl caught feelings and left
Thick Eva Green went silent
MILF Trainer was specific about "going out tonight and not hanging out in your room all night" aka I'm getting feelings and wanting more (still fucked her)

Leads that went dead:

The 20 year blondie who sent me nudes got super weird, talking about how things are getting sketch, how she got burned in her previous relationship.
This 22 year old cute black girl is trying to play games by sending me "whoops that text wasn't for you" shit tests, which I never reply to.
This 24 year old thick gym girl doesn't have a sense of humor, deleted her number.

Upside is I got a ton of new numbers this week, I believe about 8 in the last few days, managing text convos is going to be interesting.

Seeing the Asian girl for the first time tommorow night.

The Armenian girls is getting radio silence from me, I have her one chance to not fuck up.

Just gotta keep plowing, I still keep on saying I want to focus more on lifting and cardio.

I gotta finish writing up my weekly routing and diet and send it to this trainer.

(03-04-2016 12:18 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 11:40 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  Some people swear by the no-dinner-date mindset. I agree for the most part unless it is on the premise of her coming over to your place to cook for/with you.

What is everyone's go to second date plan when the first date is drinks but the woman doesn't come back to your place? This could be due to logistics, her not being ready for that step etc.

I've tried inviting women straight to my place for the second date but most of the time it triggers the ASD and it goes nowhere.

It's always felt like to me dating venues are kind of like a ladder. Meaning if we meet for drinks on the first date it should be food/dinner on the second and so on. However these second sushi/dinner/apps dates are almost always busts for me. I need to correct this part of my dating strategy.

I agree. I know Blackdragon suggests a direct to house 2nd date, but I don't see it being worth it. I've had a few times where they come over directly for the 2nd date (none ended in bangs), but I'd rather be escalating in public, she's more receptive and then bringing her back a bit later.

My new strategy is trying to avoid any drinks on the first date. My ideal first date is now coffee in the early evening, and it takes less than forty-five minutes. If we do a drink, keep it to one bar, no venue change, and less than one hour.

It's weird, the longer my first dates go, the less successful I am in getting a 2nd. OTSC you've read one example I posted on this forum from January with a 20 year old, and the trend has kind of continued. I went on three dates, including that one, all with girls who I consider to be 8's. The first girl (the 20 year old) was at a cool cafe followed by talking at a scenic lookout point, the second girl was this cute brunette we walked through the art museum and then went for a cocktail near the museum, the third girl was a drop-dead gorgeous blonde we met at a cafe in the afternoon then went to a vintage store. Each of those first dates lasted an hour-and-a-half.

When I think about each of these dates in hindsight, I truly believe that if I had simply cut the date off after the first venue, after about forty-five minutes, I'd have second dates with all of them. It's impossible to know for sure, but something about keeping things really short makes her wanting more. Maybe cutting off dates after forty-five minutes works better with hotter girls, who are used to guys fawning over them.

To answer your question, if the first date is drinks:

- Where I live, there's a free art museum night once a month. That's a good event to go to on a 2nd date, you walk around for 45 minutes tops, then venue change back to your place. "I've got some nice wine, let's do a drink at my place, but you can't stay very long...I have to wake up kind of early tomorrow."

- If the first date was a fancy cocktail bar, I'll take her to a dive-y place on the 2nd date. Ideally, a bar with some kind of game. Some ideas are darts, shuffleboard, skee ball, or pinball. Of these, skee ball is the most fun of these to do with a girl. It's a little bit competitive, and the games don't last very long (so you can get back to business ). Obviously, you don't play the whole time. You sit down and talk, then play a few rounds of the game, then go back to sitting and talking. Then after an hour and a half of drinking beer or cider with her, you move her back to your place.

- Finally, you can meet her somewhere outdoors, and go for a walk to a nearby park. After walking for 30-45 minutes, you offer to move her to your place. However, I dislike this idea because it's hard to turn her on while walking.

A variation I like more is meeting her at your place, going on a short walk of 20 minutes to something of interest nearby, and then ending up back at your place. This time she comes inside and you treat it like any other 2nd date, except now you're at your place.

(A fourth option is another type of cocktail bar. Maybe the first place specialized in gin, the second place specializes in whiskey. Start this 2nd date out at a neutral location, like a cafe for 20 minutes so it feels like you're doing something different, then move her to the cocktail bar.)

I agree I'm really not a fan of the apps/sushi. It feels very stiff, very date-y, very provider-y. I'll do it occasionally, or on a 3rd date, but it's not my go-to strategy. I think it kills the sexual energy.

A lot of the direct to your place invite depends how you frame it over text. I think Blackdragon jumps into logistics too quickly for a 2nd date ask. I have examples on my phone of building a little comfort by maybe asking an interesting question, seeing how she responds to some flirting over text, "Let's meet at XYZ bar...but promise no funny business!", which can be helpful in deciding whether to push for a 2nd date meet at your place. This type of texting should be done before you've even set up the first date so she knows you're different than the other guys.

But overall, I don't see the direct invite to house being worthwhile, when it should be easy to get her back to your place when you try a different type of 2nd date.

(03-10-2016 09:35 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  Just wrapped up another date whereby I didn't get the makeout, let alone the bang.

Local 23 y/o student, Tinder. I was honestly chancing it as I'd half regretted matching at first, judging her to be a 5 from her photos. She looked better in life, but no more than a 6.5.

Number one thing I've noticed is that borderline girls are more than aware they are slump busters or barely bangable. That does tend to be a factor with those girls unless you blow them out of the water.

Quote: We'd already flaked on each other once (the second time was my fault - I didn't confirm the day and she assumed it wasn't on), ending up with a date on a rainy night, I was 5 minutes late for a girl who happened to be a stickler for punctuality, and I forgot myself by not greeting her with a spin and kiss on the cheek as is my norm. So far so good, right?

Man if a girl doesn't confirm that it's not on of her own accord by the end of the day the date was supposed to happen it wasn't happening anyways.

Quote: I forgot that the place I took her to was, while a date venue, also a favourite haunt of jacked, good-looking, 6'2" 30-something dudes. The sorts of people who shared the lift with us and who were milling in front of the bar. I ignored them and we smiled at each other on and off.
We were on and off silent on the way up and while waiting for our drinks, mostly small talk which she steered towards the topic of university -- I'll say I've felt more blatant chemistry from the get go on other dates. It was definitely incongruous with our Tinder exchange.

Well if those types were around then it doesn't matter man. If you take too much stock into things like other guys that are in better shape/looking than you then that will effect your mentality. Always believe you're the baddest motherfucker in the place and that nothing will fuck you over.

Quote: As the conversation progressed into what we wanted to do out of uni, I think we clicked a bit more. Like a lot of 20-somethings in her part of town, she had really idealistic left-leaning values which motivated her to want to use her MA in Social Work to help with indigenous communities, but denied being a typical north-side hipster when I teased her about it (Melburnians will get what I mean).

Of course a lot of girls are left leaning. You shouldn't have even discovered that fact in the first place. If she brings up her left leaning views instead of running on an inside joke or talking about mundane things then you've fucked up already. Girls hate talking about logical things like volunteering or her Social Work degree(unless you met her volunteering).

Quote: At some point I jokingly called her out on staring off into the skyline -- which this venue has a spectacular field of. She also didn't ask questions back at times when prompted.

Final signal right there to bail. It was Game Over.

Quote: Somehow we segued into the topic of our families; she revealed that her old man had left hers' when she was little, and didn't want to have anything to do her and her siblings, and that he cheated on her mum while having his way with a string of other women. She said that she didn't often share this matter, and clearly it struck a chord in her -- she briefly wiped her eyes at that point. I rubbed her thigh and told her what she could do about her dad, but hinted that I wasn't there to counsel her. We shared our experiences on this matter, I told her my family background was similar (which it was, but not as bad, I played it up a bit).

Negative thoughts right there. No girl wants to talk about her shitty life. She wants excitement and emotional pleasure not something depressing about how her dad left her. You're now an emotional blanket for her to vent too.

Quote: She suggested changing the topic, and I brought up something we touched on earlier, asking her what she was looking for on Tinder.
"I'm honestly not sure...just putting myself out there I guess," she said.
"Aren't we all, though, " I countered.
I had earlier on teased her about using Tinder dates to relieve the burden of her uni workload, and at that point joked that had she admitted to looking for a relationship, I'd have left the bar there and then.
We agreed that our school loads wouldn't quite give us the time for a relationship and had a laugh about that. Then she became a bit more pensive.
"I dunno, maybe I am looking for a relationship," she said. "I just wanna meet guys outside where I normally am."

Emotional hamstering on her part. "Looking for love" sympathy conversation.

Quote:Our tone became semi-light-hearted as we talked about trying to find someone on campus (both our courses have a dearth of the opposite gender) and gender roles in dating (she broached the meet up on Tinder).

Conversation topic too serious and now you're talking about other people?

Quote: Upon suggesting a venue change, she said that she had an early start tomorrow, and couldn't budge from that. She declined another round of drinks, saying her doesn't drink much these days. The cold and the rain was putting her off walking around too much. Pity, logistically, I was pretty solid.

Logistics are the last thing you should be worrying about.

Quote:Nevertheless, she had a bit of time to kill before her bus. I led us towards a park on the way back to mine . . . which was on the way to her bus stop.
The dampness meant we couldn't sit down at the park and get too friendly. Upon getting to her bus stop, she offered to walk me to my bike given that she had an umbrella. I kept getting left out of its shelter, and I snuggled against her, saying, "I don't bite".
"Don't you?" she asked coyly.
"I'm sure you're tasty enough," was my rejoinder. "Aren't you into rough play?"
"Nah, not really," she said. ". . . I'm not sure what I want out of guys, kind of like a lot things in life, "she finished off in response.

You escalated too fast right there. She should have been comfortable with the topic of sex already. If you weren't dropping innuendo before this you're already too far down the rabbit hole. You can't go seriously depressing to seriously happy/comfortable right there.

Quote: At the point of splitting up, we made plans to see each other next week, I pushed her a day when her assignments are all due for the moment. She said, "Friday...I'll text you."
I leaned back a bit and spread out my arms with a smirk. "I'm not really into hugging," she said, but we did so anyway.

I think you got what was up at this point. Girls love hugging and emotional intimacy, and you're too far gone.

Quote: Thanks for reading if my recount is that long-winded. I'm not sure whether the signs are in my favour, partly out of inexperience, partly out of disheartenment at the apparent lack of success over my last few days. Or maybe I'm too expectant of securing the bang by the first date. I would like to get the bang, but I'm wondering if that's a lack of game on my part or if our pace is OK given the circumstances. She's no huge loss as I'm gaming much hotter girls at the moment, but I see her case as practice.

Reviewing all of this:

-You made her feel negative emotions. No girl is going to bang you based on negative emotions unless she's on a rebound, and at that point you were just a dick that was readily available. Of course unless she's using you to get back at her mate that she got dumped by. Or that as PT put it you're digging into her wounds even deeper(surefire way to get yourself shanked if you dump her). Either way negative is no bueno.

-You got her into a sexual mood too late and in general it didn't look like either party was having fun. Neither you nor her. If you can't enjoy the company of a woman or if you picked the wrong woman for a date due to her mentality then what's the point? Even the most batshit crazy/depressing girls always laughed or smiled a lot before I hit it.

-You were used as an emotional towel.

-This girl wasn't that attractive according to your scale based on your initial expectations and even after you met up. So you're not going to be motivated.

(03-07-2016 10:50 PM)robreke Wrote:  .....
We played darts and I said I could get this round and she said something to the effect of "it's kind of awkward". I just smirked and said 'well you'll get the next round'
.....
I walk behind her and gently touch her waist and the small of her back. I think that threw her off. She looked a little uncomfortable and in retrospect I think she thought I was being 'too familiar' touching her like that. Jesus.

Honestly, it sounds like you dodged a bullet. Sure, you didn't get the notch, but when you consider this kind of stuff, do you think she would have even been any fun? Been able to let go of herself, let her animal side out, and really have intense, passionate sex? Doubtful, and even if she could, how long would you have to fuck with her to get her to that point? Is it worth the investment, when you could just as easily spend that time looking for another girl who is in touch with that side of herself from the start?

I increasingly find these kind of attitudes indicative of awkward, boring, restrained sex. Not worth it, in my opinion.

Fucking Scandinavians, man.

(03-11-2016 10:51 AM)hwuzhere Wrote:  Snip[...]
Reviewing all of this:

-You made her feel negative emotions. No girl is going to bang you based on negative emotions unless she's on a rebound, and at that point you were just a dick that was readily available. Of course unless she's using you to get back at her mate that she got dumped by. Or that as PT put it you're digging into her wounds even deeper(surefire way to get yourself shanked if you dump her). Either way negative is no bueno.

-You got her into a sexual mood too late and in general it didn't look like either party was having fun. Neither you nor her. If you can't enjoy the company of a woman or if you picked the wrong woman for a date due to her mentality then what's the point? Even the most batshit crazy/depressing girls always laughed or smiled a lot before I hit it.

-You were used as an emotional towel.

-This girl wasn't that attractive according to your scale based on your initial expectations and even after you met up. So you're not going to be motivated.

I really appreciate your blow by blow reply, hwuzhere. I can see how all these little details fell into place.

The sticking point for me was creating the positive excitement and emotional roller-coaster and avoid the twin traps of logical small talk and being used as an emotional sponge.

The former I'd found inevitable as she'd first asked me about what I was studying and we rolled from there towards both of us - ironically, I've heard girls complain about how boring (good-looking) guys are when opening them in clubs with "what do you do for work?"

The latter was out of relative inexperience, if I may say so.

I really do want to work on these traits, as they're transferable to other game scenarios.

Do yall ever run into a woman (at a bar, walking down the street, friend, etc.) where you just want to fuck her, but you know she isn't attractive?

There is a woman at work who is sub par on looks, but I just want to go to town on her. Don't know what it is that appeals to me. Been trying to figure it out for a while.