(03-11-2016 01:31 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Looks like the Harem has fallen apart:

Thick Eva Green went silent

Thick Eva Green sounds delicious.

Im also having a harem collapse. Cut it off with the girl I was going out with, FB catched feelings and started getting weird, Student ghosted on me. Leads went silent and Tinder has only been spewing out SIFs and single moms looking for a beta orbiter. All Ive got is this old time friend that ocasionally comes over to chat over a beer and we fuck. But shes married and can only come over every now and then.

I should really plan to do a clean slate and start over game-wise. Back to the basics.

^If it's international player's harem break week, that+nofap means it's my turn to build up a harem. You can only eat so much McDonald's so to speak, and I'm definitely looking forward to upgrade to some steak. Not to mention Spring Break party season.

(03-11-2016 01:31 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Seeing the Asian girl for the first time tommorow night.

I meant to say for the 3rd date, which just happened.

Fuck man, this is going to be a tough one to crack.

We went to a music bar, had a drink, chatted a bit about her medical "match day" which is crazy.

Talked about family a bit, bounced from the venue, it was too loud. I started driving and asked her if we go to another bar will she grab a soda instead.

She said she would so we went back to my pad, I showed her the standard flooring, rifle, room, stuff from work. Throw on a funny movie.

She was comfortable took off both her jackets, and snuggled up right next to me.

Thing is either one of her tops or her jacket smelled like cats piss lol.

Eventually we start making out, standard hair pull neck grabbing, she didn't seem to like the neck thing too much so I pulled back on that and started kissing her neck more.

She giggled because I was tickling her, eventually I could she was getting horny, she grabbed onto me hard.

This is where I think I might of fucked up, I should've grabbed her hand onto my dick as I grabbed her tits.

Which I did, no LMR, so I pull one of her tits out and started sucking it, she loved that, I did get bit of LMR and my hand being pulled away.

I pulled her other tit out, she liked that, eventually I got her topless.

I think another mistake was pulling her on top, I should've kept her on bottom and used caveman game, which she did like.

Then it happened.

She said "this is happening too fast" she kind of laughs as she puts her bra back on. She said sex is nice, with someone she knows well

I play stupid with responses:

"What do you mean ?"
"We aren't doing anything"
"I just want you to be comfortable"
"I thought we are getting to know eachother"
"Isn't that what this is"
"I just went with the natural flow"
"You don't have to do anything you don't want to"

Shit like that to soothe the hamster for the long term. She was fine, put her bra back on and her shirt.

We watched the rest of the movie, she comfortable, playful, still kissed me and her legs wrapped around mine and so did her arm.

Played some comfort game, even kissed her on the forehead.

So she didn't have a freak out, but her mind overcame her hornyness.

Movies ends, I ended picking her up and doing front and back squats with her, she giggled with delight.

Walked her out, sent her on her way. She just texted me that she's home, calling me an asshole.

I'll more than likely see her again, I don't think I failed the shit test or LMR.

She's still pretty cool, she's got great tits for a Korean girl.

We'll see what happens with it.

(03-11-2016 11:56 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(03-11-2016 01:31 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Looks like the Harem has fallen apart:

Thick Eva Green went silent

Thick Eva Green sounds delicious.

From the neck up she definitely was, she has the dark eye liner and bright fuck me eyes. Nice fat titties, the rest of her body could use work.


Crazy, got a Tinder match - it was an old bang.

She even had my number still saved and texted me.

Long story short she told me I jarred her memory - I asked her how.

She sent me the water squirt emoji aka we had good sex.

I'll be seeing her sunday hopefully - then again I might meet up with this 22 year old cowgirl I've been trying to nail down.

(03-12-2016 04:04 AM)kaotic Wrote:  I play stupid with responses:

"What do you mean ?"
"We aren't doing anything"
"I just want you to be comfortable"
"I thought we are getting to know eachother"
"Isn't that what this is"
"I just went with the natural flow"
"You don't have to do anything you don't want to"

Video of kaotic dropping LMR counters:



Always appreciate your concise breakdown of interactions man. Keep 'em coming.

This week, got a random message from a cute girl who lived in my complex last year, and with whom I haven't spoken in 8 months, asking when I'm coming to see her new apartment. Went over her place last night, it was clearly on from the start and when I've got something pretty much in the bag like that I prefer to draw things out, make her wait, and basically crank up the tension at my leisure. She told me later that she was soaked before I even kissed her, just from casually, 'absent-mindedly' stroking her neck while we chatted.

The thing is, she started throwing out LMR quite early, and she said the exact same things, almost verbatim, that I have heard from the past 3 or 4 girls I've been with: 'I know the girls like you', 'you're some kind of a player, aren't you', 'how many other girls do you have waiting for you', etc. This girl even said 'I'm not just a number' twice, once before I even kissed her. My standard response has been to brush it off by agreeing & amplifying, then changing the subject, but now that I've heard the same thing so many times I'm starting to think this is worth interrogating further.

Is it a good or a bad thing? On the one hand, it translates to a sexual charisma and r-selected vibe - there are no illusions about who I am, what I'm out for, or what's going to happen with me. It could just be a shit test. But on the other hand, I could see it encouraging LMR and leading a girl to make me wait 'to show she isn't just another one of THOSE girls.' In that case, maybe I should take measures to dampen this vibe from the onset, or find a better response than the agree & amplify. I've tried focusing more on comfort-building lately as a possible antidote to this, and maybe I need a few more tries with that to be sure, but it doesn't seem to have made any tangible difference in defusing this (if I even need to).

And indeed, did not get the notch from this girl last night. She was very into it, but the most we got into was some groping, and each time she'd tell me to stop and back off for a second before telling me I had to leave, then proceeding to attack me again. Maybe this 'player vibe' made her put her brakes on. Maybe I should stop drawing things out when I know it's in the bag and just close the deal ASAP before her rational brain kicks in. That said, she's also a relatively conservative girl from a conservative country that I know quite well, and it's always a longer game in that context. Should be able to close this next weekend.

Secret to unlimited poosy is having something cool at your place to show girls and living two blocks away from your favorite wine bar.

(03-12-2016 11:43 AM)LouEvilSlugger Wrote:  Secret to unlimited poosy is having something cool at your place to show girls and living two blocks away from your favorite wine bar.

In real estate it's "location, location, location"

In game it's "logistics, logistics, logistics"

(03-12-2016 09:29 AM)InsertNameHere Wrote:  This week, got a random message from a cute girl who lived in my complex last year, and with whom I haven't spoken in 8 months, asking when I'm coming to see her new apartment. Went over her place last night, it was clearly on from the start and when I've got something pretty much in the bag like that I prefer to draw things out, make her wait, and basically crank up the tension at my leisure. She told me later that she was soaked before I even kissed her, just from casually, 'absent-mindedly' stroking her neck while we chatted.

The thing is, she started throwing out LMR quite early, and she said the exact same things, almost verbatim, that I have heard from the past 3 or 4 girls I've been with: 'I know the girls like you', 'you're some kind of a player, aren't you', 'how many other girls do you have waiting for you', etc. This girl even said 'I'm not just a number' twice, once before I even kissed her. My standard response has been to brush it off by agreeing & amplifying, then changing the subject, but now that I've heard the same thing so many times I'm starting to think this is worth interrogating further.

Is it a good or a bad thing? On the one hand, it translates to a sexual charisma and r-selected vibe - there are no illusions about who I am, what I'm out for, or what's going to happen with me. It could just be a shit test. But on the other hand, I could see it encouraging LMR and leading a girl to make me wait 'to show she isn't just another one of THOSE girls.' In that case, maybe I should take measures to dampen this vibe from the onset, or find a better response than the agree & amplify. I've tried focusing more on comfort-building lately as a possible antidote to this, and maybe I need a few more tries with that to be sure, but it doesn't seem to have made any tangible difference in defusing this (if I even need to).

And indeed, did not get the notch from this girl last night. She was very into it, but the most we got into was some groping, and each time she'd tell me to stop and back off for a second before telling me I had to leave, then proceeding to attack me again. Maybe this 'player vibe' made her put her brakes on. Maybe I should stop drawing things out when I know it's in the bag and just close the deal ASAP before her rational brain kicks in. That said, she's also a relatively conservative girl from a conservative country that I know quite well, and it's always a longer game in that context. Should be able to close this next weekend.

Girl says she knows you're a player but she contacted you and invited you over anyway? She knew what was up and was obviously testing you.

Work on your "ignore" muscles.

We are conditioned by society from an early age to respond to statements and / or questions. Our male logical brain only enhances that conditioning.

The art of the conversation "pivot" is another useful tool

I rarely acknowledge the ASD shit tests and never with a direct response.

She tells you you made her wet but then puts up LMR?... Just another test. She likely just needed to be cavemanned

You have to learn find the line between "display reluctance" and real unwillingness. But it's art more than science so tread carefully

(03-06-2016 04:11 AM)germanico Wrote:  

(03-04-2016 10:50 AM)Fury Wrote:  Has anyone ever dated a girl that found you to be "too interesting and adventurous"?

When you are blue pill, most of the girls reject you because they are too much for you.

When you turn red pill, most of the girls reject you because you are too much for them.

Everybody wants a Ferrari. Not everyone can afford one.

...

I've been wondering about this a lot lately. I've been told on more than one occasion that "I don't see this working between us because I think you'd get bored with me" or some variation of that.

I do cool shit. I earn a good living so I like to enjoy it by going on caribbean adventures and buying toys. Girls that spend time with me quickly realize this.

When they hit me with a line like that, I usually think it's a smokescreen to say they're not really interested for one reason or another. But maybe there's some truth to this? Is it possible that some girls get intimidated by an exciting lifestyle instead of being turned on by it?

(03-14-2016 09:11 AM)SomeFcksGiven Wrote:  When they hit me with a line like that, I usually think it's a smokescreen to say they're not really interested for one reason or another. But maybe there's some truth to this? Is it possible that some girls get intimidated by an exciting lifestyle instead of being turned on by it?

They are turned on by the lifestyle, they are just not willing to invest the work and upkeep that a relationship with an alpha entails. With a beta dude they can wear their old granny panties and not shave for months and the guy will still be up for any drama she turns out.

And, altough they could "use" you just for sex, a relationship with just "benefits" with a truly alpha male (a man of actual value instead of just a boy with swag) would remind her constantly that she is not fit for an "alpha" relationship.

Either way, if she acts that way, then theres nothing she could have that improves your life, no reason for you to keep her around but for sex.

And since sex is abundant and you can get it otherwise, why be bothered?

Can someone tell me what's up with these 30+ women who 'moved back home to help out their older parents' but a year and a half later they've fully settled in

Starting to notice these more now with single moms; this way they get the live-in babysitter, and still be able to have their drunken adventures without having to maintain a stable place of their own.

Call it a 2nd childhood or the result of bad choices earlier in life.

(03-14-2016 09:48 AM)germanico Wrote:  ...
And since sex is abundant and you can get it otherwise, why be bothered?

It's a curiosity. I'm wondering if I'm losing bangs because of the lifestyle I live. If they're being truthful when they say "I'm worried you'll get bored with me" then I need to make an adjustment to my game for these situations.

Sure, sex is abundant. But who wants to lose a bang from a hot twenty something if there's a way to inoculate against this.

Try conveying more relatibility along with your lifestyle angle. If girls feel they you are relatable on some level (albiet not financially) the intimidation factor could melt away.

Sometimes guys spend some much time trying to seperate themselves from the pack, they lose some of the simple qualities that pull a chick in closer.

Had a funny situation happen today. About a year ago I dated this Vietnamese milf and we went out several times. We banged on the first date and the sex and chemistry were top tier for me. After going out for about a month her hamster starting running in overdrive and she wanted to lock me down. I jokingly would deflect these attempts and it pissed her off and she nexted me.

Fast forward to this morning, I see her profile on Tinder and remember how good of a bang she was. I hit her with a restart text and immediately get the "who is this?" reply. I tease her about deleting my contact data and then a couple hours later get this gem from her: "yeah sorry, no chemistry"

Oh I so beg to differ.....

(03-14-2016 10:15 AM)SomeFcksGiven Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 09:48 AM)germanico Wrote:  ...
And since sex is abundant and you can get it otherwise, why be bothered?

It's a curiosity. I'm wondering if I'm losing bangs because of the lifestyle I live. If they're being truthful when they say "I'm worried you'll get bored with me" then I need to make an adjustment to my game for these situations.

Sure, sex is abundant. But who wants to lose a bang from a hot twenty something if there's a way to inoculate against this.

I think the best way to deal with this when with a chick is act as if she should be with you and that you are a match together. This is subconcious behavior usually. When your value is far above a girl's it is a harder act to pull off and they feel this.

If you instinctively know you are much higher value don't show as much value. Be much more vague and downplay. For example don't be telling high flying stories about your hobbies or lifestyle if things at the beginning of the date are going well already. If she is already back at your place on the couch laughing with you no need to bust our the Caribbean adventure photographs, just escalate. She should feel your confidence without you letting out much about your lifestyle. Try to bang with giving as little information about your life as possible and try to get to know more about her so she feels your investment.

Same way you if you make a lot of money you never try to let your male friends or acquaintances know too much so that they don't feel you are trying to one up them.

You act just like their buddy to have a beer with, not their super successful friend that is doing better than they are.

I was getting a few things done in town today, talking to some of the girls in the shops as I went about my day.

In one of the shops I was chatting with a cutish 6/10 with heavy makeup. We got on well and had a few laughs but it was nothing amazing, I asked her a few questions, she asked me questions and we were laughing and having a good conversation. After five or so minutes I went to look at some vintage style adverts that had caught my attention. Another guy, who I believe works there came and started speaking to her. That got me thinking, what would you guys do if a girl you're chatting with has a boyfriend lurking nearby and he sees you pulling game on his girlfriend and comes and interrupts?

This has never happened to me but I assume it will eventually, I imagine that my reaction would somewhat be tailored to his reaction. Thoughts?

Easy question for me to answer. I would not change my behavior. I'm a man, doing what a man is supposed to do. The previous sentence is my mentality. I'm biologically made to talk to, and fuck women. No guilt, shame, or shyness. I may let go of the throttle a little, to determine how they know each other. I in fact, out right ask the girl that question... if I desire her vagina.

I lift weights. I have a physical presence but on average I'm shorter than some guys. I also have a pretty decent sized neck/jaw. That's important info because some guys will hit a guy in the face to impress their girl or bc they think they're badass. My physique either intimidates or makes a big guy think twice before wanting to fight. I know how if it goes far enough.

To answer question: I hold my ground and either ignore his presence (being ballsy and unapologetic), or ask how they know each other. One must fight that "fight or flight" adrenaline kick when these situations arise.

Also, fighting in public is dumb, and not worth all the risks involved. I always de-escalate a situation when I can.

I banged the bartender Sunday night again - looking at her sober - her WB # went down in my book, she's funny, but I can't see myself banging her again.

The redhead old bang bailed monday, family issues.

Then there was the bonafide cowgirl - refreshing to go out with.

She tried giving me LMR about the distance, but I told her I was driving far from work, she agreed.

She bailed on me Saturday because I was coming out of work late and she had to get up early.

Finally we meet up Tuesday night, I was honestly expecting a sort chubby country girl.

I was surprised.

I get to my standard Venue 1:

She shows up, a little shorter than me, natural dirty blonde hair, smiling eyes with bright colors, she was in shape, wasn't chubby at all, classic riding denim pants and shit kickers (cowboy boots).

Overall a solid 7, not quite an 8.

She seemed semi in shape, even with the cowboy boots on, she seemed feminine, wore little to no make up and clear skin.

She was already sitting down with a beer at the bar.

I grab my drink, we walk outside.

We talk about the standard bullshit, she talks about being outdoors, riding horses bareback (many jokes made) with just a bit in the horses mouth.

I drop redpill truths and how guys act like girls, vice versa. She agrees.

I won't bore you too much, but we had a good exchange.

I called her on being anxious but now comfortable.

She brings up some dates she had - she brought a dude to a baseball game and drove him for her house - he bitched the entire time during decent seats and asked her if she wanted a beer then asked her for cash.

Another guy claimed he lost left his wallet at home, so she paid for everything and he barely finished his burger and friends.

I thought it wash hilarious and told her the last thing I'd want to see is her stuffing her face.

I told her that I'm straight up and don't deal with BS, she's around for a reason and she's lasted 15 minutes - then I roll that into the 15 minute story.

We have 2 drinks, I start eyeing the pool table, she mentions it, she grabs a water inside, I ask group if we can shoot next round.

She brings me back a water, without me even asking. Shoot some pool, I win.

I pay for the tab at venue 1, bounce to venue 2. She was about to pay, but I told her to get the drinks at the next bar.

I drive us to the next venue, which she was fine with.

We walk around this fountain check out the birds, the back to venue 2.

2 bartenders I know are working the girls say hi to me.

"You just know everyone don't you" I say with a smile "people know me" and explain how the parties and job I have helps with my social mobility.

We get into hockey talk about sports and some other shit.

She doesn't want to drink, I tell us we should just leave because I'd feel like an alcoholic.

Then came team apps, so I grabbed a drink, she grabbed 2 appetizers, wanting me to eat with her.

So we did, talked some more then realized, it's almost 1am.

Bounce, go back to venue 1 to get her car - we talk for a minute I make fun of this hilarious sticker on her car.

I reach across give her a huge and go right back in to makeout with her.

We make out for a bit, for a second her hand had no idea what to do, then she relaxed and her hand draped on my shoulder.

She opens her mouth while kissing, and stops. Kind of odd.

Says good night, then texts me when she gets home.


This girl seems pretty wholesome, conservative, and easy going.

Should be fun seeing her again.

^ Plot twist it's a man!

^hahaha no man, plot twist it IS a woman but while kissing she sensed his possible high-cholestorol and bailed

(03-16-2016 04:03 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I banged the bartender Sunday night again - looking at her sober - her WB # went down in my book, she's funny, but I can't see myself banging her again.

The redhead old bang bailed monday, family issues.

Then there was the bonafide cowgirl - refreshing to go out with.

She tried giving me LMR about the distance, but I told her I was driving far from work, she agreed.

She bailed on me Saturday because I was coming out of work late and she had to get up early.

Finally we meet up Tuesday night, I was honestly expecting a sort chubby country girl.

I was surprised.

I get to my standard Venue 1:

She shows up, a little shorter than me, natural dirty blonde hair, smiling eyes with bright colors, she was in shape, wasn't chubby at all, classic riding denim pants and shit kickers (cowboy boots).

Overall a solid 7, not quite an 8.

She seemed semi in shape, even with the cowboy boots on, she seemed feminine, wore little to no make up and clear skin.

She was already sitting down with a beer at the bar.

I grab my drink, we walk outside.

We talk about the standard bullshit, she talks about being outdoors, riding horses bareback (many jokes made) with just a bit in the horses mouth.

I drop redpill truths and how guys act like girls, vice versa. She agrees.

I won't bore you too much, but we had a good exchange.

I called her on being anxious but now comfortable.

She brings up some dates she had - she brought a dude to a baseball game and drove him for her house - he bitched the entire time during decent seats and asked her if she wanted a beer then asked her for cash.

Another guy claimed he lost left his wallet at home, so she paid for everything and he barely finished his burger and friends.

I thought it wash hilarious and told her the last thing I'd want to see is her stuffing her face.

I told her that I'm straight up and don't deal with BS, she's around for a reason and she's lasted 15 minutes - then I roll that into the 15 minute story.

We have 2 drinks, I start eyeing the pool table, she mentions it, she grabs a water inside, I ask group if we can shoot next round.

She brings me back a water, without me even asking. Shoot some pool, I win.

I pay for the tab at venue 1, bounce to venue 2. She was about to pay, but I told her to get the drinks at the next bar.

I drive us to the next venue, which she was fine with.

We walk around this fountain check out the birds, the back to venue 2.

2 bartenders I know are working the girls say hi to me.

"You just know everyone don't you" I say with a smile "people know me" and explain how the parties and job I have helps with my social mobility.

We get into hockey talk about sports and some other shit.

She doesn't want to drink, I tell us we should just leave because I'd feel like an alcoholic.

Then came team apps, so I grabbed a drink, she grabbed 2 appetizers, wanting me to eat with her.

So we did, talked some more then realized, it's almost 1am.

Bounce, go back to venue 1 to get her car - we talk for a minute I make fun of this hilarious sticker on her car.

I reach across give her a huge and go right back in to makeout with her.

We make out for a bit, for a second her hand had no idea what to do, then she relaxed and her hand draped on my shoulder.

She opens her mouth while kissing, and stops. Kind of odd.

Says good night, then texts me when she gets home.


This girl seems pretty wholesome, conservative, and easy going.

Should be fun seeing her again.

^It seems you have good dates, but rarely try to bounce them to your place on a first date. Am I reading this right?

Are you mostly just going for the warm fuzzies and a good kiss/makeout on a first date hoping you'll get the second date and beyond? what's your reasoning here?

If so, how many second and beyond dates do you get as opposed to not?

I'm asking because I've had good first dates, but many times unless I bang them on the first date, I don't see them again anyway.

^ I've noticed this from Kaotic as well, and generally I experience the same thing where the majority of first dates that don't end in a bang for me tend to not end up as 2nd dates... though plenty of dates where I close don't end up in 2nd dates either.

I'm not faulting him for it by the way. Dating can be fun. Women can be fun. A night does not need to end in getting your dick wet to have a good time. I've preached this before. Sounds like he's having

A lot of the newer dudes on this site focus a lot on getting laid and navigating the maze of how to get a girl back to your place and have sex with you. Enjoying yourself with women is not talked about enough.

(03-17-2016 10:51 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  ^ I've noticed this from Kaotic as well, and generally I experience the same thing where the majority of first dates that don't end in a bang for me tend to not end up as 2nd dates... though plenty of dates where I close don't end up in 2nd dates either.

I'm not faulting him for it by the way. Dating can be fun. Women can be fun. A night does not need to end in getting your dick wet to have a good time. I've preached this before. Sounds like he's having

A lot of the newer dudes on this site focus a lot on getting laid and navigating the maze of how to get a girl back to your place and have sex with you. Enjoying yourself with women is not talked about enough.

Agreed.

However 9/10 times I find banging a girl far more enjoyable than fantasizing about banging her while she's talking abo.. "Sorry dear, what were you talking about?"

I just had a girl unblock and message me from nowhere.

Back story:
We met a few months ago when I was on holiday. Day game approach, instadate then a tour of her city for the rest of the day. Whirlwind romance, kissing, holding hands, just like in the movies. I didn't push for the bang at the time. Next day I'm at the airport and we're texting about how great a time we had, I suggest she takes a flight to my country in a month, she disagrees. She insists on knowing if I intend on returning to her country. I tell her I'm not sure, I'll let her know, but we should keep in touch in the meantime. She tells me she has no interest in a long distance thing and proceeds to block me.

Present day:
So when she messages me, my initial reaction is to delete and block her. Against my better judgement I decide to message back. We exchange skype details and have a lengthy video chat. She apologises for how she behaved and tells me she's been thinking about me a lot.

This whole thing is waste of my time and energy. I'm indulging in a some romantic fantasy that's not going anywhere.

(03-17-2016 01:39 PM)crudeloyalist Wrote:  I just had a girl unblock and message me from nowhere.

Back story:
We met a few months ago when I was on holiday. Day game approach, instadate then a tour of her city for the rest of the day. Whirlwind romance, kissing, holding hands, just like in the movies. I didn't push for the bang at the time. Next day I'm at the airport and we're texting about how great a time we had, I suggest she takes a flight to my country in a month, she disagrees. She insists on knowing if I intend on returning to her country. I tell her I'm not sure, I'll let her know, but we should keep in touch in the meantime. She tells me she has no interest in a long distance thing and proceeds to block me.

Present day:
So when she messages me, my initial reaction is to delete and block her. Against my better judgement I decide to message back. We exchange skype details and have a lengthy video chat. She apologises for how she behaved and tells me she's been thinking about me a lot.

This whole thing is waste of my time and energy. I'm indulging in a some romantic fantasy that's not going anywhere.

Not necessarily. Really just depends on your intentions. Like I sort of outlined above, the bottom line is that you need to enjoy yourself. If you like talking to her then talk. If you don't then don't. Obviously you made a good impression on her since she's hitting you back up after only spending one day with you and NO sex.

Try to convince her to plan a weekend trip to your country. Say you'll show her the sites yadda yadda. I did this exact thing recently, actually in the post I linked just above.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-52607...pid1203620