(03-01-2016 07:55 PM)Agastya Wrote:  ^No, the boyfriend won't be there. She wants to an iPhone video. It'll be a crappy video, but again, this is something of a bucket list item.

Lol bucket list item, really? What if he's gay or bisexual and will be checking out your naked body on that iphone video?

Also I don't understand why you just tell her you're annoyed about her flaking on you. Tell her how much it pissed you off, rather than trying to passive aggressively punish her, or ignore her.

The current building I live is considered an historic landmark, so management has spearheaded a huge restoration project. The other day, I walked off the elevator into the middle of a day laborer spitting terrible game. You could see from the girl's body language she wasn't exactly feeling it. Instead of walking away with some dignity in tact-homie decided to save his best for last.

As a last resort, I heard him blurt something like 'Well, do you at least have a Facebook account'?

I felt myself cringe.

(03-02-2016 09:30 AM)robreke Wrote:  You guys ever offer to pickup/give rides to a first date?

I'm setting up one with a foreign exchange student who's going to college here for a semester. She has no car and told me she rides her bike everywhere. I'm sure she doesn't have alot of money, but would think she could afford an uber.

The location I'm thinking of is, close to me, but probably not close to where she lives.

Catch 22 - you don't want to look like your submitting to her, by swooping her up, plausible deniability would mean, "you were in the area and heading home" to swoop her.

You could have her ride all the way to the venue and drop her off after

Depends on how far she is also, 10-15 mins, sure maybe, anything past that is a no go unless the girl is legitly hot.

I'd hit her up and feel her about uber, if not swoop her up and take her to your venue.

I brought this up yesterday, its like when you roll with a buddy to a party and you drove together, you'll tend to stick a little closer to them all night since he's your ride.

Same applies here, more than likely she'll feel more of an attachment to you since you're her ride (pun intended).

Kicked it with some local RVF'er the other night, great group, was great being able to talk openly about game, logistics, Trump, and a bunch of other topics.

I ended up cutting before the last drink, I was tired man, had a 45 minute drive ahead of me.

One of the 20 year old Tinder matches I had got all weird because I didn't want to get Korean BBQ before we went bowling.

Straight told her I didn't want to watch her stuff her face as we try to have a conversation, and my food intake is strict.

Apparently she got offended and "wasn't feeling it anymore" - bitch wanted a free fuckin dinner. NEXT.



I have better things to do than have some picky female about shit like that.

I got 2 dates schedule tommorow, there's another 20 year old that's way more interested in me and then there's the bit distant 7/8 who strikes as a retarded texter. I have a feeling she might not be into and might not meet up, we'll see.

I went on a second date with that Asian girl tonight, went bowling, pretty fun, her body language was more relaxed, she was more open.

Her working in the medical field, her rotations are a fucking nightmare for dates. But I got her out with short notice tonight.

She actually beat me 2 frames to 1, I was bit made about that usually I destroy bitches but I was more into talking with her than bowling good. We had one drink she barely had 3/4 of her beer.

Walked outside, talked for a few minutes, pull her in close, we had a few makeout sessions in between chats.

Her body language was very reciprocating - especially the lip biting and tongue kissing. I dig it - she's a keeper for sure in the rotation.

If I get the bang on date 3 (which is a VERY rare thing) I'm gonna have to catch her on a "Friday" of hers and pull her out to my are and make a night of it, do a bar crawl and bounce her back to my place.

Like I said this girl hardly drinks, but I have a feeling she'll be open to coming over to my pad after bar hopping and ramping up the date.

I've finally come to the realization that for me trying to bang women in their 30's through early 40's is a complete and utter waste of time. I know this has been extensively discussed on the forum but I can't remember which thread it was.

Being 44 over 90% of my Tinder/Bumble matches are in the 33-43 age group. From a personal preference I'm still extremely attracted to this age group provided they've kept themselves up. They're also eager to meetup, show up on time and don't flake. And that's where the positives end....

My conversion ratio with this age group is so hideous and the ASD is so high I just can't do it anymore. It makes me question my game, how far I've come and cracks the door to game denial limiting beliefs.

And then, when I match with that under 30 woman and she actually shows up on the date. She's easy to shoot the shit with, the bitch shields are down, she's in the moment and not in her head and it's so fucking easy.

The disparity between those two age groups is so wide that it truly fucks with my confidence. I'm going to switch up my strategy. I will only be swiping on/messaging women 32 and under or 44 and over. I would estimate that about 70% of my bangs come from those two age groups. Conversely 80% of my frustration and misses comes from dealing with women between 33 and 43.

Yup, exactly why I stick in the 20's man. I've had older and younger. You just can't beat young and fun.

I've been reading a lot of the blackdragon blog that has been mentioned on the forum a few times lately. That guy is in his 40s and uses spreadsheets to track all kinds of data on girls that he and his clients date. The magic number he came up with is 33 as in he doesn't deal with girls 33 and older.

(03-03-2016 12:18 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  I've been reading a lot of the blackdragon blog that has been mentioned on the forum a few times lately. That guy is in his 40s and uses spreadsheets to track all kinds of data on girls that he and his clients date. The magic number he came up with is 33 as in he doesn't deal with girls 33 and older.

You're absolutely right BC. I'm a long time follower of BD and I kept thinking that there was a "hack" around that age issue. Maybe there is but I'm done figuratively smashing my hand with a hammer and thinking this time it won't hurt.

I've been reading through Black Dragon extensively. Looks like some of the most solid material around. I need the help.

(03-03-2016 10:30 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  I've finally come to the realization that for me trying to bang women in their 30's through early 40's is a complete and utter waste of time. I know this has been extensively discussed on the forum but I can't remember which thread it was.

Being 44 over 90% of my Tinder/Bumble matches are in the 33-43 age group. From a personal preference I'm still extremely attracted to this age group provided they've kept themselves up. They're also eager to meetup, show up on time and don't flake. And that's where the positives end....

My conversion ratio with this age group is so hideous and the ASD is so high I just can't do it anymore. It makes me question my game, how far I've come and cracks the door to game denial limiting beliefs.

And then, when I match with that under 30 woman and she actually shows up on the date. She's easy to shoot the shit with, the bitch shields are down, she's in the moment and not in her head and it's so fucking easy.

The disparity between those two age groups is so wide that it truly fucks with my confidence. I'm going to switch up my strategy. I will only be swiping on/messaging women 32 and under or 44 and over. I would estimate that about 70% of my bangs come from those two age groups. Conversely 80% of my frustration and misses comes from dealing with women between 33 and 43.

So true. I dated a well put together 34 y/o earlier this year. She peck kissed on the first date. She'd always call and text after dates, but after 3 dates she was still peck kissing. We were on a date one night people watching and were looking at another couple. She mused "I bet that guy over there is wondering 'is tonight the night' "

I'm sure she must have thought of me the same way: Some sap, that's going to keep dutifully dating and blowing money on her until she decides 'tonight's the night' to give up her sacred vag. Didn't pull her home that and got a weak peck kiss after the date.

Never texted her again.

Hell, even girls over 24ish are a pain to me. Maybe it's just a big city thing where I live. I dated a 26 year old the past few weeks and she thinks she's God's gift. I think alot of these girls have obviously been around the block and know what men are all about or have regret of giving up the poonai so easily as young women, so now they have a padlock mentality on giving it up.

Meantime, I've had the most fun this year with girls 19-24. They go with the flow and don't have alot of structured rules. In a few words; they're less difficult.

I'm not saying I demand to bang a girl within 3 dates and don't mind dating and courting (if she's hot) a feminine, sweet girl. But damn, having these rules about no kisses on the first date or rules about how many dates before they'll sleep with you instead of a woman who just follows her heart. Ain't got time for it. Fuuuuuuuuck that.

(03-03-2016 01:27 PM)robreke Wrote:  So true. I dated a well put together 34 y/o earlier this year. She peck kissed on the first date. She'd always call and text after dates, but after 3 dates she was still peck kissing.

As an aside but relevant point, it's been discussed extensively on here how "the second date is dead" and it's something that regularly experienced myself. However in the recent past, I don't push hard for sex or even going back to my place on the first date and almost 100% of the time they're contacting me after the first date and are eager to see me again. However if I go all in and try for the bang and I fall short, be it the 1st or 5th date, they're as good as gone. Never to be heard from again.

It really comes down to calling these women's bluffs and making them put up (put out) or shut up. If we continued to wine and dine them and never pressure them for any investment I'm confident they would continue to date any of us forever.

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(03-03-2016 12:43 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 12:18 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  I've been reading a lot of the blackdragon blog that has been mentioned on the forum a few times lately. That guy is in his 40s and uses spreadsheets to track all kinds of data on girls that he and his clients date. The magic number he came up with is 33 as in he doesn't deal with girls 33 and older.

You're absolutely right BC. I'm a long time follower of BD and I kept thinking that there was a "hack" around that age issue. Maybe there is but I'm done figuratively smashing my hand with a hammer and thinking this time it won't hurt.

Funny story from one time I was in Latin America. I was talking to a 33 year old from online. She was almost impossible to meet up with. She wanted me to come to her instead of meet me half way which I wouldn't do. We even had a fight about this via text message but that same day she finally gave in and came to meet me. I was annoyed with her but I was hanging out with friends so I didn't mind waiting for her to come to where I was already at.

She shit tests me and talks about how she wants a relationship and blah blah blah. I'm the epitome of outcome independence because the girl had pissed me off so I couldn't have cared less if she got offended and ran out of the place. She kept testing me and I kept becoming more of an asshole (in a playful way).

birthday cat: I can't take the girls from your country seriously because you are always late, playing games, and causing drama yet you complain about how men in this country don't treat women with respect. Well I don't treat immature people with respect either.
33 year old: omg I can't believe you said that. so we can only be friends I guess?
birthday cat: I guess so. lolzlzlz

30 minutes later
33 year old: but we can still have sex right? (in a semi-joking way)

60 minutes later I'm fucking her like a porno movie.

1 week later she tells me I should take her to a romantic dinner.

It's a funny story but she was definitely not worth all the time I spent texting her and trying to meet up with her. 30+ is off my radar.

(03-03-2016 02:39 AM)kaotic Wrote:  If I get the bang on date 3 (which is a VERY rare thing) I'm gonna have to catch her on a "Friday" of hers and pull her out to my are and make a night of it, do a bar crawl and bounce her back to my place.

Like I said this girl hardly drinks, but I have a feeling she'll be open to coming over to my pad after bar hopping and ramping up the date.

If she hardly drinks why go out? Do you really like bar hopping? After 2 dates and she's seems into you biting your lip and whatnot, just invite her straight over for a "dinner at my place" date. You guys can cook together listen to some music, and not waste cash venue hopping for hours before trying to get her to come over.

I love girls that aren't drinkers.

(03-03-2016 01:56 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(03-03-2016 02:39 AM)kaotic Wrote:  If I get the bang on date 3 (which is a VERY rare thing) I'm gonna have to catch her on a "Friday" of hers and pull her out to my are and make a night of it, do a bar crawl and bounce her back to my place.

Like I said this girl hardly drinks, but I have a feeling she'll be open to coming over to my pad after bar hopping and ramping up the date.

If she hardly drinks why go out? Do you really like bar hopping? After 2 dates and she's seems into you biting your lip and whatnot, just invite her straight over for a "dinner at my place" date. You guys can cook together listen to some music, and not waste cash venue hopping for hours before trying to get her to come over.

I love girls that aren't drinkers.

Bar hopping is fun, especially at my venues which I got locked down and can easily display SMV.

To be frank, my kitchen is embarrassingly empty (and worn out) and I'm not about to go out out and buy all that shit just to impress a girl. Throw in that she might feel conscious about her body fat/bloated/etc because she ate and now she doesn't wanna fuck.

I've never been the guy who has girls over for dinner or cooks for them. In fact it's never happened with me, not even with my ex girls (before it became an LTR).

I dig girls who don't drink much either, but it's definitely a bind, I think have strong enough to do just a direct invite to meet at my house, grab a drink, and come back. I got a lot of shit I can show off back home.

Yeah depends on your lifestyle. I'm not a nightlife kind of guy so I prefer to get girls to come hang at my place straight up whenever possible, or have her invite me over if it makes more sense. I usually see corralling a girl around to different night spots just a big time/money waster if I feel she's already comfortable enough with me to just go somewhere private.

Exactly we all got our niches. Sounds like you've got that locked down.

You're right, but the whole straight over game isn't one of my strong suits (another improvement I need to add).

Now I don't go out to expensive bars or clubs, I go to dive bars, and bars who have a late happy hours on top of knowing the bartenders. So it's on the cheap, I know my limits.

I think I found another project to work on and learn, fixing up my kitchen !

@kaotic I've got my hands full with my own issues that I've been writing about so take this for what it's worth. Learning how to mix cocktails is great bait and it's gotten me bangs many times over. Since most bars water their drinks down something awful it literally blows s girl's mind when she tastes how a given cocktail really is supposed to be made. I wrote up a data sheet on it here some time back.

Mixing drinks aren't a problem, I've had plenty of experience, I just don't have the greatest host logistics

I already see some improvements I can make for myself as far as becoming a host:

-Remove the linoleoum/vinyl kitchen floor, replace with tile/marble/wood.
-Sand down and redo the cabinents.
-Repaint
-Replace the sink
-Add a bar in the secondary living room.

This is more of an investment in the house, secondary being able to bring gals straight home.

(03-02-2016 01:09 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 09:30 AM)robreke Wrote:  You guys ever offer to pickup/give rides to a first date?

I'm setting up one with a foreign exchange student who's going to college here for a semester. She has no car and told me she rides her bike everywhere. I'm sure she doesn't have alot of money, but would think she could afford an uber.

The location I'm thinking of is, close to me, but probably not close to where she lives.

Catch 22 - you don't want to look like your submitting to her, by swooping her up, plausible deniability would mean, "you were in the area and heading home" to swoop her.

You could have her ride all the way to the venue and drop her off after

Depends on how far she is also, 10-15 mins, sure maybe, anything past that is a no go unless the girl is legitly hot.

I'd hit her up and feel her about uber, if not swoop her up and take her to your venue.

I brought this up yesterday, its like when you roll with a buddy to a party and you drove together, you'll tend to stick a little closer to them all night since he's your ride.

Same applies here, more than likely she'll feel more of an attachment to you since you're her ride (pun intended).

I set the date with time and place. I added "btw, if you don't have uber or transportation let me know if you could use a ride as i'll be out and about"

After I sent the text I was doubting the text a little, thinking it may be a bit supplicating or 'nice guy', but I think it should be fine and sometimes as players we tend to overthink everything. She's been enthusiastic in all her texts.

I haven't gotten a response yet.

(03-03-2016 04:45 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  @kaotic I've got my hands full with my own issues that I've been writing about so take this for what it's worth. Learning how to mix cocktails is great bait and it's gotten me bangs many times over. Since most bars water their drinks down something awful it literally blows s girl's mind when she tastes how a given cocktail really is supposed to be made. I wrote up a data sheet on it here some time back.

I've been using wine as bait, but may have to switch to cocktails as I do make a mean Tom Collins.

@OregonToSoCal, how do you position or bounce to your place using 'cocktail bait'. I'm assuming you plant something earlier in the convo and then, after a while at the bar have a standard "go to" line to feel her/ bounce to your place?

I tend to seed it during our initial text conversations before meeting up. When we're setting a bar to meet I'll ask 'by the way what are your favorite drinks?' Unless she's a non drinker the average woman is all too happy to talk about what they like. I then drop the bait that I learned how to make drinks a few years back and tell them what my specialties are. Almost always they're intrigued and reply with 'you'll have to make me one sometime'

Bait set...

Being on the path of self improvement and learning game really gives one an almost cheat code in life. When I was in the Caribbean at the tail end of last year to the beginning of this year, I had finished smashing an 8/10. I smiled to myself in the knowledge of how far I'd come and that there was no way I could have done this a year earlier. I now have a different girl taking flights to come and see me. Unimaginable a year ago.

I have been reading this forum for years and appreciate many of you guys for the posts you have written, which have provided solid guidance. I owe many of you a few beers.

Though how many 'men' completely ignore and reject the type of information, then try and become your moral judge when you espouse the views/facts that are collectively held here is staggering.

I don't like the "cocktail bar at my house" angle because:

-You have to keep fresh supplies at the house

-The only cocktails I can make are liquor & ice

-It sets the frame of "let me make something special for you"

By the time you get back to your place, it shouldn't matter what your excuse was.

If I'm on a date I'll use "drink wine on my patio." I have a dope patio and bitches love wine. Plus, I have a ton of wine at my house, so I'm always stocked.

As I check out for the weekend, I'll leave you with this little gem I got today:

   



Should be a wild weekend seeing all the boys for my good friend bday.

Catch you all on the flip side.