(01-17-2016 07:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Maybe from her perspective she thought you smiling at her brother ? AKA She thought you were gay from just that action ? (I'm obviously not saying you are)

It's possible. I was also pretty jet lagged so it could be I was spacing out a bit and looking weird. Who knows. Her wrapping herself around me was strange too. At first I thought she was going to whisper some kind of come on - and who knows maybe in her world that works.

(01-17-2016 07:14 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 07:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Maybe from her perspective she thought you smiling at her brother ? AKA She thought you were gay from just that action ? (I'm obviously not saying you are)

It's possible. I was also pretty jet lagged so it could be I was spacing out a bit and looking weird. Who knows. Her wrapping herself around me was strange too. At first I thought she was going to whisper some kind of come on - and who knows maybe in her world that works.

It's strange for a girl to get that physical with a dude she doesn't know. Was she smashed?
Maybe she really did think you were gay which is why she felt OK wrapping herself around you?

Meeting up with RVF guys recently for the first time in a long and I honestly feel like I'm lagging behind. I've been busy one way or another dealing with a woman or two I've seen noncommittally(whom are below the quality I would like to be seeing in all honesty) and their antics or my personal family issues.

In terms of the game, I'm kind of stuck stagnant and when I pulled into Austin I didn't even feel like approaching even though I slugged through 1 or 2. I just popped a cig and judged the competition. How do you guys deal with this mental state? I still enjoy the game a lot I just feel lazy almost like a lot of the guys who aren't game aware.

(01-17-2016 04:22 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 12:50 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  I'm at a low point in my "game" education. I want out to 4 different bars tonight and none of the girls interested me. A few were interested in me, grabbing my arm, touching, etc, but they weren't very good looking and I was having an OK time just drinking my whiskey and relaxing. Im not sure if its me or the environment, but Im thinking the place Im at is far below par and I need to GTFO.

What is the litmus test for GTFO? Spend a few weeks going out and if it sucks, go for greener pastures? A couple of girls were into me, but they were bar fly types. I want something better than bar sluts. I assume most people here do.

I'm looking around these places and well to do Chinese guys seem to have good looking girls, the rest of the girls, average to below average looking girls, definitely not worth going after. Im in a 3rd/4th tier Chinese city. So while the number of people is large, the number of girls in most bars is surprisingly quite low and not high value - looks and my type.

Off to greener pastures I guess. Just like being in a 4th tier western city, the chicks their aren't worth the work, even if the work is minimal at best. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

A few things.

-What are you saying to these girls when you approach?
-If the bar isn't working have you considered trying something else?
-If you can't pull in this city what makes you so sure you can pull in another city.

Granted I don't live in China, but game is still game. If you're really sure it's your city then send Suits or TravelerKai a PM and see what's what about your city, but I'd imagine they'd ask you the same questions I asked first as well.

Thanks for the reply, should have been more clear.

Its not pulling that's the issue. Its the quality of the girls Im seeing when I go out is low. These girls are not passing the boner test. There are good looking girls at the bar/club, but they are 2-3 girls with one guy at a table off to the side, playing dice games.

Its -23C here so that's an issue too. Its just too damn cold.

My issue now:

No online game here - no OKcupid, Pof, Chinese tinder called tantan has been abysmal even with good pics.

Daygame has been poor. Girls that are just barely passing the boner test, but that I wouldn't want to introduce to people as my girl, they are interested in me. Good looking girls not so much. One thing Ive noticed is that girls are even walking with their phone in their hand now, its not even in their bag. Constantly texting, looking at stuff, even while walking. The better looking they are the more common Im seeing that.

Night game, what I mean by bar sluts. Most of the places Im going have poor ratios and the girls there are mostly 5s. One girl must have had 4-5 guys around her and I was playing some pool but chatted her up on the way to the bathroom. I got a lot of IOI and arm grabbing, so I put my arm around her, hugging her closer to see what her figure was like under a big sweater but she was flat as a pancake. She asked for my wechat/number and we exchanged but I wasn't interested. Her best quality was that she was there, thin, plain looking, flat Chinese girl but that's all there was. So these bar girls have zero value in China other than going to a few bars where they know will be a lot of foreign guys and Chinese guys with few other girls. There must be better quality than this somewhere else.

I asked some friends in other cities and they are doing well with online game. Its not an option here. Doesn't exist. Daygame im getting poor results, night game is hit or miss with mostly miss.

(01-17-2016 11:00 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 04:22 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 12:50 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  I'm at a low point in my "game" education. I want out to 4 different bars tonight and none of the girls interested me. A few were interested in me, grabbing my arm, touching, etc, but they weren't very good looking and I was having an OK time just drinking my whiskey and relaxing. Im not sure if its me or the environment, but Im thinking the place Im at is far below par and I need to GTFO.

What is the litmus test for GTFO? Spend a few weeks going out and if it sucks, go for greener pastures? A couple of girls were into me, but they were bar fly types. I want something better than bar sluts. I assume most people here do.

I'm looking around these places and well to do Chinese guys seem to have good looking girls, the rest of the girls, average to below average looking girls, definitely not worth going after. Im in a 3rd/4th tier Chinese city. So while the number of people is large, the number of girls in most bars is surprisingly quite low and not high value - looks and my type.

Off to greener pastures I guess. Just like being in a 4th tier western city, the chicks their aren't worth the work, even if the work is minimal at best. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

A few things.

-What are you saying to these girls when you approach?
-If the bar isn't working have you considered trying something else?
-If you can't pull in this city what makes you so sure you can pull in another city.

Granted I don't live in China, but game is still game. If you're really sure it's your city then send Suits or TravelerKai a PM and see what's what about your city, but I'd imagine they'd ask you the same questions I asked first as well.

Thanks for the reply, should have been more clear.

Its not pulling that's the issue. Its the quality of the girls Im seeing when I go out is low. These girls are not passing the boner test. There are good looking girls at the bar/club, but they are 2-3 girls with one guy at a table off to the side, playing dice games.

Its -23C here so that's an issue too. Its just too damn cold.

My issue now:

No online game here - no OKcupid, Pof, Chinese tinder called tantan has been abysmal even with good pics.

Daygame has been poor. Girls that are just barely passing the boner test, but that I wouldn't want to introduce to people as my girl, they are interested in me. Good looking girls not so much. One thing Ive noticed is that girls are even walking with their phone in their hand now, its not even in their bag. Constantly texting, looking at stuff, even while walking. The better looking they are the more common Im seeing that.

Night game, what I mean by bar sluts. Most of the places Im going have poor ratios and the girls there are mostly 5s. One girl must have had 4-5 guys around her and I was playing some pool but chatted her up on the way to the bathroom. I got a lot of IOI and arm grabbing, so I put my arm around her, hugging her closer to see what her figure was like under a big sweater but she was flat as a pancake. She asked for my wechat/number and we exchanged but I wasn't interested. Her best quality was that she was there, thin, plain looking, flat Chinese girl but that's all there was. So these bar girls have zero value in China other than going to a few bars where they know will be a lot of foreign guys and Chinese guys with few other girls. There must be better quality than this somewhere else.

I asked some friends in other cities and they are doing well with online game. Its not an option here. Doesn't exist. Daygame im getting poor results, night game is hit or miss with mostly miss.

Sounds like a case of shitty backwater town. You're probably in need of a new spot then. If you are going out and the second you walk in you don't see a single attractive woman than it's time you leave.

I would say the general litmus is exactly what you described. If you don't spot one attractive girl per venue you visit on entry then it's just the city.

(01-17-2016 06:50 PM)toejam Wrote:  Ball dont lie: how far are you from Shanghai

Far. New York to Miami far. I live in the NE of China that is in between Mongolia, North Korea and Russia.

(01-17-2016 11:05 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 06:50 PM)toejam Wrote:  Ball dont lie: how far are you from Shanghai

Far. New York to Miami far. I live in the NE of China that is in between Mongolia, North Korea and Russia.

If your town is not player friendly (busy bars everyday, swank restaurants, fresh gorgeous talent), find a new town.

If you can't afford a new town, work your ass off until you can.

I am in the situation described.

(01-17-2016 09:05 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 07:14 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 07:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Maybe from her perspective she thought you smiling at her brother ? AKA She thought you were gay from just that action ? (I'm obviously not saying you are)

It's possible. I was also pretty jet lagged so it could be I was spacing out a bit and looking weird. Who knows. Her wrapping herself around me was strange too. At first I thought she was going to whisper some kind of come on - and who knows maybe in her world that works.

It's strange for a girl to get that physical with a dude she doesn't know. Was she smashed?
Maybe she really did think you were gay which is why she felt OK wrapping herself around you?

Oh yeah. I'm pretty sure there was alcohol involved. Not really too much point in analyzing it, just thought it was a nice, 'wtf?' moment.

Met a girl outside a bar the other night. Was super nice and friendly. Her friends kept pressuring her to leave, but she stayed and chatted with me for another 10 minutes. I stole a kiss from her and walked her to her friend's car. We agreed to meet for breakfast the next day.

The next day I met her and she has a completely different demeanor, entitled, attitude and overly cocky. The check came and she looked at it then at me. I calmly said "Well you failed this test, if you would have reached for your purse I would have payed. I'm not paying for anything for you sweetheart." She laughs and says yes you are. I go to the counter and calmly tell the waitress to split the bill. The girl looks shocked as I paid for my half and sat back down. She plays the waiting game for like 2 minutes, thinking i'd get embarrased and pay. I say " Dear i think you're going to be in the back washing dishes soon" She pays and walks out behind me.

These entitled sluts are amazing. Best part about it, she matched with my boy on tinder later that night and he said she wanted to go out to eat

-CD

Had a daytime date with a girl I met off Badoo.
We started chatting at most maybe a week ago.

She offered her number freely, been texting on WhatsApp...
Out of the blue today she calls me & asks to visits.

Logistically I couldn't host her.
We meet at a nearby student colony.

She was nice & eager to conversate.
Not really my type physically. (Face 6, Body a chubby 5)

I didn't kiss close, really I've been on over a hundred first dates.
I can't find the motivation to push these mid tier interactions.

If she's still compliant, I'm sure she can find a position on the roster.
I felt like I was on Game auto pilot the entire meet up.

Would be good to fire up the old engine against an HB 7.5 & greater.
In time.

(01-18-2016 12:31 AM)redbeard Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 11:05 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 06:50 PM)toejam Wrote:  Ball dont lie: how far are you from Shanghai

Far. New York to Miami far. I live in the NE of China that is in between Mongolia, North Korea and Russia.

If your town is not player friendly (busy bars everyday, swank restaurants, fresh gorgeous talent), find a new town.

If you can't afford a new town, work your ass off until you can.

I am in the situation described.

The sad thing is that I'm doing really well money wise. I'm a sucker for punishment it seems. Worked on my financies for 5 years hard and now feel really comfortable, but also feel like I missed out on some adventures I could have had then. I did have a lot of fun from 23-27 or so, worked 2-3 days a week, traveled 4-5 months a year, so I had to make up some ground.

Its settled, I'm moving in July when my contract is up.

Taipei, Guangzhou, Xiamen seem good. I've hard that Taipei is surprisingly affordable, especially compared to places like Shanghai or Beijing. Will have to get some more data on that. I'm going to Guangzhou in a couple weeks to check it out, get out of this damn cold!

Thanks for the heads up Redbeard.

My buddy and I were about to give up on Saturday night and were walking to his car on a quiet street when we looked up and saw two 20 something honeys. Turned out they were Ukrainian We pulled them off the street into a quiet bar. Within a half hour, mine (who's only been here a month) was attacking me like nothing I've ever experienced. I did some naughty stuff with her in the bar and I'm pretty sure I could have banged her in the bathroom but was fucked out from one of my girls that morning and the night before. So no Ukrainian flag yet. Still, it was a super fun time and an example of how anything can happen at any given time if you approach.

First time for everything, had my first official last minute at the venue bail.


We matched last week, talked on Friday over the phone, couldn't meet up. Planned on Saturday, I didn't even bother.

Hit her up with a follow up Sunday, and she apologized this morning about not hitting me back up.

I called her after work, we chatted had a good laugh. Followed up with her as I was headed to the venue and she was cool.

30 minutes passed called her and texted her - a few rings, straight to VM, no text response.

Swung by the venue, thought about rolling solo, decided I'd rather not drink.

As I'm driving home, I'm browsing Tinder, she unmatched me. Hit up my Indian plate.


I'm guessing she didn't like the joke about her possibly being a Jenner or maybe she was doing the #wastehistime2016

Who knows, maybe her hamster was running full speed, not my problem.

Oh well, still got my nut, and 2 other dates lined up this week.

(01-19-2016 02:24 AM)kaotic Wrote:  First time for everything, had my first official last minute at the venue bail.


We matched last week, talked on Friday over the phone, couldn't meet up. Planned on Saturday, I didn't even bother.

Hit her up with a follow up Sunday, and she apologized this morning about not hitting me back up.

I called her after work, we chatted had a good laugh. Followed up with her as I was headed to the venue and she was cool.

30 minutes passed called her and texted her - a few rings, straight to VM, no text response.

Swung by the venue, thought about rolling solo, decided I'd rather not drink.

As I'm driving home, I'm browsing Tinder, she unmatched me. Hit up my Indian plate.


I'm guessing she didn't like the joke about her possibly being a Jenner or maybe she was doing the #wastehistime2016

Who knows, maybe her hamster was running full speed, not my problem.

Oh well, still got my nut, and 2 other dates lined up this week.

When did you set up the date? How did you get the confirmation? How warm was the lead?

It seems that she flaked on you Saturday, so you called her Sunday, and set up a date for Monday, when she flaked? But you called her on Monday?

Here's the hidden benefit of having logistics on point. If the bar is 2 minutes from your place, time wasted is minimized.

(01-17-2016 10:59 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  Meeting up with RVF guys recently for the first time in a long and I honestly feel like I'm lagging behind. I've been busy one way or another dealing with a woman or two I've seen noncommittally(whom are below the quality I would like to be seeing in all honesty) and their antics or my personal family issues.

In terms of the game, I'm kind of stuck stagnant and when I pulled into Austin I didn't even feel like approaching even though I slugged through 1 or 2. I just popped a cig and judged the competition. How do you guys deal with this mental state? I still enjoy the game a lot I just feel lazy almost like a lot of the guys who aren't game aware.

I read somewhere courage is like vitamin C. The body doesn't store it from one day to the next so it must be consumed every day or the body runs out of it. Likewise, in the case or courage, it must be practiced every day anew.

It's not really a lack of courage I'm seeing from what you wrote but more of a blasé , as you say, stagnant attitude and laziness. So therefore, 'action' must be practiced every day. Even if it's asking "is that the new iPhone?"

For me, I do things to keep me motivated. For example, sometimes while eating breakfast, instead of the morning news, I watch some pickup videos of guys who match my style on youtube. I've found by watching in the morning, I sometimes notice a cute girl later that day in a similar situation to what the dude on the video was seeing and I'll just kind of imitate the youtube PUA. I say some of his stuff. It's just keeping it in my mind and vivid and fresh.

Indirect openers are another good way. The girl doesn't know you're hitting on her at first and you only escalate if she starts showing interest and investing.

Sometimes it's hard to build up that flirtatious energy if we're in a stagnant slump. A receptive girl who wants to chat after your indirect opener makes it easier for a player to flirt. Also, you're outcome independent and it's no big deal if she walks off or doesn't want to chat as you're just running 'receptivity' game.

Obviously this is game/approach 101 but when in doubt, go back to the fundamentals.

(01-19-2016 09:43 AM)robreke Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 10:59 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  Meeting up with RVF guys recently for the first time in a long and I honestly feel like I'm lagging behind. I've been busy one way or another dealing with a woman or two I've seen noncommittally(whom are below the quality I would like to be seeing in all honesty) and their antics or my personal family issues.

In terms of the game, I'm kind of stuck stagnant and when I pulled into Austin I didn't even feel like approaching even though I slugged through 1 or 2. I just popped a cig and judged the competition. How do you guys deal with this mental state? I still enjoy the game a lot I just feel lazy almost like a lot of the guys who aren't game aware.

I read somewhere courage is like vitamin C. The body doesn't store it from one day to the next so it must be consumed every day or the body runs out of it. Likewise, in the case or courage, it must be practiced every day anew.

It's not really a lack of courage I'm seeing from what you wrote but more of a blasé , as you say, stagnant attitude and laziness. So therefore, 'action' must be practiced every day. Even if it's asking "is that the new iPhone?"

For me, I do things to keep me motivated. For example, sometimes while eating breakfast, instead of the morning news, I watch some pickup videos of guys who match my style on youtube. I've found by watching in the morning, I sometimes notice a cute girl later that day in a similar situation to what the dude on the video was seeing and I'll just kind of imitate the youtube PUA. I say some of his stuff. It's just keeping it in my mind and vivid and fresh.

Indirect openers are another good way. The girl doesn't know you're hitting on her at first and you only escalate if she starts showing interest and investing.

Sometimes it's hard to build up that flirtatious energy if we're in a stagnant slump. A receptive girl who wants to chat after your indirect opener makes it easier for a player to flirt. Also, you're outcome independent and it's no big deal if she walks off or doesn't want to chat as you're just running 'receptivity' game.

Obviously this is game/approach 101 but when in doubt, go back to the fundamentals.

Thanks for the advice mate.

(01-19-2016 08:21 AM)redbeard Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:24 AM)kaotic Wrote:  First time for everything, had my first official last minute at the venue bail.


We matched last week, talked on Friday over the phone, couldn't meet up. Planned on Saturday, I didn't even bother.

Hit her up with a follow up Sunday, and she apologized this morning about not hitting me back up.

I called her after work, we chatted had a good laugh. Followed up with her as I was headed to the venue and she was cool.

30 minutes passed called her and texted her - a few rings, straight to VM, no text response.

Swung by the venue, thought about rolling solo, decided I'd rather not drink.

As I'm driving home, I'm browsing Tinder, she unmatched me. Hit up my Indian plate.


I'm guessing she didn't like the joke about her possibly being a Jenner or maybe she was doing the #wastehistime2016

Who knows, maybe her hamster was running full speed, not my problem.

Oh well, still got my nut, and 2 other dates lined up this week.

When did you set up the date? How did you get the confirmation? How warm was the lead?

It seems that she flaked on you Saturday, so you called her Sunday, and set up a date for Monday, when she flaked? But you called her on Monday?

Here's the hidden benefit of having logistics on point. If the bar is 2 minutes from your place, time wasted is minimized.

When we matched Thursday I immediately pulled the trigger, it was a very hot lead, but I had shit I needed to do that evening. By the time I was done she was tired working on a project, so we talked about Saturday but did NOT actually plan something.

I suggested she visit my town, but she got all skittish saying she it's our first time meeting blah blah, so I soothed the hamster and didn't make any plans for Saturday.

Let me restate, I texted her Sunday, she replied to me Monday morning apologizing with 3 consecutive texts, she then asked my what I was doing.

Immediately I set the same plans in motion for that night and would call her after work.

My logistics are always on point when they come to me.

If a girl is skittish or I don't have time to meet near my pad, I meet at this certain venue where I've become somewhat friends with the bartenders.

It's about 10 minutes away from my gym/work in a college part of the town.

Anyways, like I said, I call her after work we joke a bit (the Jenner joke), I hit her up after the gym to start getting ready, then I call her when to take off and send her the address.

That's when I didn't hear shit from her.

I only lost 30 minutes of my time when I initially got there, and I still got a nut that night.

I could wonder why she pulled what she did, but it doesn't really matter to me.

Still though...she's a bitch for that. She was definitely on that #wastehistime2016 campaign. Good on you for having that there abundance bro.

At the moment, my game has slowed down a lot. I don't go out besides gym and maybe to run a few errands, but I've been carrying a lot of financial weight, helping my family and getting ready for a funeral. I feel like the biggest AFC right now. I have gym plans for tomorrow and Saturday. I've been out of the loop for a bit too long.

(01-19-2016 05:28 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  Still though...she's a bitch for that. She was definitely on that #wastehistime2016 campaign. Good on you for having that there abundance bro.

At the moment, my game has slowed down a lot. I don't go out besides gym and maybe to run a few errands, but I've been carrying a lot of financial weight, helping my family and getting ready for a funeral. I feel like the biggest AFC right now. I have gym plans for tomorrow and Saturday. I've been out of the loop for a bit too long.

Bitches ain't shit man, onto the next one.

Gym shouldn't be a plan man, it should be a structured and proper routine.

You're not an AFC keeping shit real and understanding where you're at and what you can afford. Family's real, you're helping them, that's to be respected.

I was surprised I still had my strength aftert being on and off sick for 2 weeks.

(01-19-2016 05:46 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 05:28 PM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  Still though...she's a bitch for that. She was definitely on that #wastehistime2016 campaign. Good on you for having that there abundance bro.

At the moment, my game has slowed down a lot. I don't go out besides gym and maybe to run a few errands, but I've been carrying a lot of financial weight, helping my family and getting ready for a funeral. I feel like the biggest AFC right now. I have gym plans for tomorrow and Saturday. I've been out of the loop for a bit too long.

Bitches ain't shit man, onto the next one.

Gym shouldn't be a plan man, it should be a structured and proper routine.

You're not an AFC keeping shit real and understanding where you're at and what you can afford. Family's real, you're helping them, that's to be respected.

I was surprised I still had my strength after being on and off sick for 2 weeks.

They are, I just haven't been consistent with my sessions. I work with trainers to get the best results.

I have that thing too where I can miss a week or two and go hard when I return, but it doesn't help with gains.

I definitely appreciate the feedback and support. Family is definitely a top priority.

Don't be afraid to take time off the Game, it should come after 1) Family and 2) Self-Improvement/working/starting a side hustle anyway.

As others have said if you get 2 right they are chasing you from the jump. And putting #1 first gets a lot of girls interested right away if they find out you're taking care of your Mom or whatnot. And if they act like they should be the priority, you can safely next them out of existence.

(01-17-2016 10:59 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  Meeting up with RVF guys recently for the first time in a long and I honestly feel like I'm lagging behind. I've been busy one way or another dealing with a woman or two I've seen noncommittally(whom are below the quality I would like to be seeing in all honesty) and their antics or my personal family issues.

In terms of the game, I'm kind of stuck stagnant and when I pulled into Austin I didn't even feel like approaching even though I slugged through 1 or 2. I just popped a cig and judged the competition. How do you guys deal with this mental state? I still enjoy the game a lot I just feel lazy almost like a lot of the guys who aren't game aware.

This a problem I've been facing lately too. I've faced many hurdles in the game; being a skinny little shit, not knowing how to close properly, having atrocious logistics; but the worst by far is just not even wanting to approach. After returning from the Dominican Republic, I'm genuinely not attracted to most of the women I see here in Los Angeles. And it's not even like I'm in a college full of uglies; my school has a reputation for having fairly decent women, but they just don't stack up to the morenas I was meeting in Santo Domingo. Also, the sheer amount of work I have to put in doesn't correspond to the quality of the sex I'm having, let alone the quality of the women I'm banging.

Since the nightlife at my school is lacking, daygame and social circle are the only real ways to meet women here. And since I'm forced to rely on daygame, it can take me upwards of thirty approaches before I get laid once with anything better than a 6. This involves having thirty fairly repetitive conversations and spending hours walking around campus--just to have sex with one half-decent woman. And this was during Fall quarter, when women are at their most receptive. In winter, I might have to put in much more work for far less of a result.

Basically, I've been feeling like these girls aren't worth the effort. Having sex is cool, but after getting laid semi-frequently for the past two years of college, it's just not worth the cost in time and energy. And it's a bizarre state of mind to be in, since up to this point, I've been extremely sexually driven. Up until now, I heavily enjoyed the process of daygame and seduction, but I seem to be experiencing a strong case of player burnout.

I wonder what I can do to fix this, but at the same time, I'm also wondering whether I even have to.

(01-19-2016 11:26 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 08:21 AM)redbeard Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:24 AM)kaotic Wrote:  First time for everything, had my first official last minute at the venue bail.


We matched last week, talked on Friday over the phone, couldn't meet up. Planned on Saturday, I didn't even bother.

Hit her up with a follow up Sunday, and she apologized this morning about not hitting me back up.

I called her after work, we chatted had a good laugh. Followed up with her as I was headed to the venue and she was cool.

30 minutes passed called her and texted her - a few rings, straight to VM, no text response.

Swung by the venue, thought about rolling solo, decided I'd rather not drink.

As I'm driving home, I'm browsing Tinder, she unmatched me. Hit up my Indian plate.


I'm guessing she didn't like the joke about her possibly being a Jenner or maybe she was doing the #wastehistime2016

Who knows, maybe her hamster was running full speed, not my problem.

Oh well, still got my nut, and 2 other dates lined up this week.

When did you set up the date? How did you get the confirmation? How warm was the lead?

It seems that she flaked on you Saturday, so you called her Sunday, and set up a date for Monday, when she flaked? But you called her on Monday?

Here's the hidden benefit of having logistics on point. If the bar is 2 minutes from your place, time wasted is minimized.

When we matched Thursday I immediately pulled the trigger, it was a very hot lead, but I had shit I needed to do that evening. By the time I was done she was tired working on a project, so we talked about Saturday but did NOT actually plan something.

I suggested she visit my town, but she got all skittish saying she it's our first time meeting blah blah, so I soothed the hamster and didn't make any plans for Saturday.

Let me restate, I texted her Sunday, she replied to me Monday morning apologizing with 3 consecutive texts, she then asked my what I was doing.

Immediately I set the same plans in motion for that night and would call her after work.

My logistics are always on point when they come to me.

If a girl is skittish or I don't have time to meet near my pad, I meet at this certain venue where I've become somewhat friends with the bartenders.

It's about 10 minutes away from my gym/work in a college part of the town.

Anyways, like I said, I call her after work we joke a bit (the Jenner joke), I hit her up after the gym to start getting ready, then I call her when to take off and send her the address.

That's when I didn't hear shit from her.

I only lost 30 minutes of my time when I initially got there, and I still got a nut that night.

I could wonder why she pulled what she did, but it doesn't really matter to me.

It's obvious you have the correct mindset about this flake, but it's always good to use them as a learning experience. Everybody's game is different, and flake rates vary due to style. In your case (heavy online game), I'm surprised you haven't dealt with more flaking.

Quote:so we talked about Saturday but did NOT actually plan something.

In my opinion this is where you went wrong. Yes, she was a warm lead. No matter what, she should think you're busy on Saturday. No first dates, especially with online girls, on Saturday.

To add to this error, you didn't end up texting her until the next morning.

Some guys may think you played a cool move by flaking, using "aloof game." I disagree. As men we are leaders - responsible for setting the stage. This ranges from tone of the interaction, plans/timing, how much respect is exchanged, all the way to the bedroom.

You know first hand that girls will follow your lead into kinky shit if you guide them correctly. Same concept.

Then -

Quote:she replied to me Monday morning apologizing with 3 consecutive texts, she then asked my what I was doing.

Now you have two occassions where you tried to set up a date with a girl you've never met on the same day. Maybe that's your style, blitzkrieg after the number close to keep the pot warm, but I would not do that. At this point I would have sent her some restart text and then gone for a meetup two days later, getting her to confirm on the phone.

In my experience, if you played your cards right, online girls will be glad to wait to meetup. It's rare that they'll find an attractive, built, funny, non-creepy guy on dating platforms. There have been online girls I've banged where due to travel or scheduling conflicts we talked/texted for a week or two before meeting. Don't sweat it, get the meetup on your terms, and bang.

(01-19-2016 07:26 PM)Agastya Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 10:59 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  Meeting up with RVF guys recently for the first time in a long and I honestly feel like I'm lagging behind. I've been busy one way or another dealing with a woman or two I've seen noncommittally(whom are below the quality I would like to be seeing in all honesty) and their antics or my personal family issues.

In terms of the game, I'm kind of stuck stagnant and when I pulled into Austin I didn't even feel like approaching even though I slugged through 1 or 2. I just popped a cig and judged the competition. How do you guys deal with this mental state? I still enjoy the game a lot I just feel lazy almost like a lot of the guys who aren't game aware.

This a problem I've been facing lately too. I've faced many hurdles in the game; being a skinny little shit, not knowing how to close properly, having atrocious logistics; but the worst by far is just not even wanting to approach. After returning from the Dominican Republic, I'm genuinely not attracted to most of the women I see here in Los Angeles. And it's not even like I'm in a college full of uglies; my school has a reputation for having fairly decent women, but they just don't stack up to the morenas I was meeting in Santo Domingo. Also, the sheer amount of work I have to put in doesn't correspond to the quality of the sex I'm having, let alone the quality of the women I'm banging.

Since the nightlife at my school is lacking, daygame and social circle are the only real ways to meet women here. And since I'm forced to rely on daygame, it can take me upwards of thirty approaches before I get laid once with anything better than a 6. This involves having thirty fairly repetitive conversations and spending hours walking around campus--just to have sex with one half-decent woman. And this was during Fall quarter, when women are at their most receptive. In winter, I might have to put in much more work for far less of a result.

Basically, I've been feeling like these girls aren't worth the effort. Having sex is cool, but after getting laid semi-frequently for the past two years of college, it's just not worth the cost in time and energy. And it's a bizarre state of mind to be in, since up to this point, I've been extremely sexually driven. Up until now, I heavily enjoyed the process of daygame and seduction, but I seem to be experiencing a strong case of player burnout.

I wonder what I can do to fix this, but at the same time, I'm also wondering whether I even have to.

Thing is you're farther down the rabbit hole than I am, and with good reasoning considering where you came back from. Fact of the matter being though I do have a solution.

After going through a few approaches, I realized what makes the game fun. It's changing things up and actually enjoying the conversation. You can't go around acting like a robot mechanically approaching with the same lines. Gotta tailor it a bit to the audience and try to go in different directions.

Each and every conversation shouldn't be the same and you should be having fun with it. The more you think of it as a chore and not having fun the worse it gets. Fact of the matter is being a good conversationalist puts you ahead of 99% of your peers if anything it's good practice for that.

Also I would set a target. One girl in one of your classes that you will have to get within a certain period of time that's to your tastes. I identified one just today and I'm definitely working on a way to bring my A game and get the bang.

If anything also searching for novelty in and of itself isn't a bad target. I always try to aim for one kind of girl I plan to bang be it oh she has pink hair, or is Persian, etc. Try to set goals and motivate yourself.

This is all stuff I'm trying to solve my own similar issue hope it helps.

I have one question.

When you are trying to kino a girl and she says " I am not very touchy sorry"
Is it just me who is creeping her out? Or have you encountered legitimate girls who don't like being kinoed?