My WhatsApp got blown up this morning by a festive season plate.
"I thought by now we could have something going on" (quote)

That did make me giggle, because she's cheating on her man with me.
It's a break up power struggle thing.
Probably starving the poor sap of vagina & controlling all the frame too.

So, I really haven't been into it, or her.
She did help me get over the worst of my one-itis though.

Her birthday's coming up this Monday
I won't be a heartless asshole.
But soon after that, it's time to jump ship.

Jariel got a real talk session about this situation, don't he?
That'll put me on course.

(01-19-2016 08:23 PM)redbeard Wrote:  you have the correct mindset about this flake, but it's always good to use them as a learning experience. Everybody's game is different, and flake rates vary due to style. In your case (heavy online game), I'm surprised you haven't dealt with more flaking.

Exactly all this bitch was is a learning lesson.

I actually filter girls out that are just flaky on texting and use one word replies. Those girls are automatically next and put in mass text category.

But seriously, this is the first actual flake I've had when I got to the venue, I literally had talked to her 15 minutes before.

You know, she worked at some art place, I recently matched with old fuck buddy of mine who worked at an art place.....she also unmatched also...I doubt they're connected but it would make sense why both ghosted on me.

Quote:In my opinion this is where you went wrong. Yes, she was a warm lead. No matter what, she should think you're busy on Saturday. No first dates, especially with online girls, on Saturday.

To add to this error, you didn't end up texting her until the next morning.

Yeah that definitely was an error by me, we chatted early in the day Saturday, then I went silent on her.


Some guys may think you played a cool move by flaking, using "aloof game." I disagree. As men we are leaders - responsible for setting the stage. This ranges from tone of the interaction, plans/timing, how much respect is exchanged, all the way to the bedroom.

Quote:Now you have two occassions where you tried to set up a date with a girl you've never met on the same day. Maybe that's your style, blitzkrieg after the number close to keep the pot warm, but I would not do that. At this point I would have sent her some restart text and then gone for a meetup two days later, getting her to confirm on the phone.

When a girl asks me what I'm doing that night, it's for a reason, she's basically asking to hangout, without saying "hey let's hangout" she's waiting for a man to plan it.

Quote:In my experience, if you played your cards right, online girls will be glad to wait to meetup. It's rare that they'll find an attractive, built, funny, non-creepy guy on dating platforms. There have been online girls I've banged where due to travel or scheduling conflicts we talked/texted for a week or two before meeting. Don't sweat it, get the meetup on your terms, and bang.

This is true, and like I said bitches ain't shit. There's actually another girl I met whose decent, she just hit me up cause she's back from the west coast wanting to plan something, abundance mentality man !

Been about a week break between my last date, met this 18 year old mexican girl from POF last night.

She flaked on me once, apologized, we finally met up last night at a bowling alley 10 minutes from my work.

She got dropped off by her best friend (I found out later 2 of her girlfriends were still in the car outside waiting for the date to end )

She was decently cute, put her at a 6.75. She didn't wear much make up which was surprising, but she was dressed feminine. Had this sweater like turtle neck and this high waist black pants which hinted a decent booty.

SUPER nervous and skittish when we hugged and waited in line to go bowling.

She even admitted she was and I laughed and straight told her to stop tripping.

We bowled a few frames and paused and chatted.

She was definitely a shy, nervous, and a not experienced introvert.

To me that was cute, I called her out on it and her body language and she laughed not knowing what to do with her cross arms.

She thought I was intimidating, and I teased her about her eye contact.

I started busting out trick shots bowling, even impressing some of the younger guys and girls next to us.

I would high five her and hold her lower back when I was giving her tips on how to bowl.

We got know each other a little more, she was impressed about my travels, jobs, and other stuff I brought up.

I can tell she was getting tired of bowling, I started dropping bait about cool places by pad (30 minutes away) and shit I've built, how I redid my room.

I flat out asked her if she's down to roll.

We take off and she realizes her friends are still in the car, I laugh and head to my area. I offer to pick up some beer but she's got a cough which is picking up steam, she told me probably a bad idea she might get sick.

We get to a shopping center with a cool fountain, she enjoyed that, it was really peaceful.

Head to my pad, she's impressed what I did with the room, I put on a movie for background noise, show her my rifle and break it down for her.

She sits on the side of them, tell her to give me her hand and she moves up next to me, she's super shy still crossing her arms, I can tell it isn't ASD but more of her not knowing what to do.

Eventually I face her and cuddle her a bit, I kiss her, she wasn't ready for that and barely kissed me back. She laughs as I say "would you just shutup and kiss me already" and we kiss for a few seconds.

I tell her we need to get her home. Bounce from the crib.

Had a good convo about family, how we're both sort of on the outside and our own things.

I call her out about kissing me, she tells me she doesn't want to get me sick or get her cough, which is whatever to me. (I did immediately use mouthwash after we made out, just in case)

We chat a bit more, and drop her off at her parents apartment.

She texted me when she got inside and in bed, I ignore it and will text her later.

Overall this girl was a refreshing, especially since she kind of had that innocent vibe, I'm also working on another 18 year old that we connected about on music from OKC.

I got 2 more numbers last night, 1 from this white girl who travels alot, easy to connect with her about that - even better is that she's leaving for South America in a few weeks. Hopefully means she wants to fuck before she leaves on her foreign cock carousel. The other girl is a cute latin girl close to my city, and seems between a 7 and 8. I'm going to pause on matching other bitches so I have time to focus on the numbers I already have.

I feel like I've overwhelmed myself on number farming and I'm spread too thing.

The "wyd" (what you doing) text from young girls is tricky. In the past few months I've seen it used interchangeably with "what's up" more often.

There are two ways "wyd" is used:

There's the instance you described, where they are bored and looking for something to do.

There's also where they are bored, but unavailable. They could be in the car, waiting for a friend, texting for fun, or their plans start later.

This is why it's best to give vague/funny responses. On Saturday around 11 PM the girl I +1'd on Sunday texted "wyd." I was unsure about what to do so I replied "at a rave hbu." I was not at a rave. I was at a bar and could hang out but didn't want to offer as to seem busy. She replied "oh lol I just got home super tired tho" so we arranged plans for Sunday. If she had replied with something warm, I might have invited her out.

(01-20-2016 12:21 PM)redbeard Wrote:  The "wyd" (what you doing) text from young girls is tricky. In the past few months I've seen it used interchangeably with "what's up" more often.

There are two ways "wyd" is used:

There's the instance you described, where they are bored and looking for something to do.

There's also where they are bored, but unavailable. They could be in the car, waiting for a friend, texting for fun, or their plans start later.

This is why it's best to give vague/funny responses. On Saturday around 11 PM the girl I +1'd on Sunday texted "wyd." I was unsure about what to do so I replied "at a rave hbu." I was not at a rave. I was at a bar and could hang out but didn't want to offer as to seem busy. She replied "oh lol I just got home super tired tho" so we arranged plans for Sunday. If she had replied with something warm, I might have invited her out.

If a girl ever asks that I immediately ignore it and hit them up the next day, saying I was at a show or out in X city (which is probably more true than not on most weekends)

I have a rule, I don't hit up girls or reply to them after 9 on any night.

Regardless if I'm out or not. I want them to know that I'm a busy guy or unavailable sometimes, that they'll have to do better than that to keep my attention.

Even if she says, let's hangout, I'm not going to jump on it like a thirsty dude, I've got options. I'll leave it open for the next and plan something just like you did.

She literally has to say can I come over tonight, or let's fuck. I'm not responding.

(01-20-2016 04:58 AM)mikado Wrote:  I have one question.

When you are trying to kino a girl and she says " I am not very touchy sorry"
Is it just me who is creeping her out? Or have you encountered legitimate girls who don't like being kinoed?

It might be a bit of both, but it depends, is this a first date? 2nd date ?

Is she kind of standoffish

I don't ever kino a girl unless I'm showing her how to do something, like bowling, shooting pool, shoot, etc.

I'll let her playfully punch me or poke me for teasing her.

Usually if a girl says that, it would sound like she's trying to prempt any funny business.

What led to her actually saying that to you ?

The capacity for women to imitate the person they like is interesting. I'm pretty sure this chick with a boyfriend I've been keeping on back burner is giving me vibes.

I tell her about the kind of work I do next thing I know she's doing the same kind of work. I tell her I produce music/DJ she tells me a while later she's starting to produce music and is learning to mix already. I tell her I believe in God and next thing I know she's telling me today that she found God and is spiritual with almost a similar mindset towards God.

Am I imagining things or is it some kind of deep interest? This is too much of a coincidence to be anything else from my eyes. In all honesty, there's too many benefits through side pussy I'm getting attention from by keeping her around on back burner as her friends are just as attractive.

Thoughts?

(01-20-2016 12:21 PM)redbeard Wrote:  The "wyd" (what you doing) text from young girls is tricky. In the past few months I've seen it used interchangeably with "what's up" more often.

There are two ways "wyd" is used:

There's the instance you described, where they are bored and looking for something to do.

There's also where they are bored, but unavailable. They could be in the car, waiting for a friend, texting for fun, or their plans start later.

This is why it's best to give vague/funny responses. On Saturday around 11 PM the girl I +1'd on Sunday texted "wyd." I was unsure about what to do so I replied "at a rave hbu." I was not at a rave. I was at a bar and could hang out but didn't want to offer as to seem busy. She replied "oh lol I just got home super tired tho" so we arranged plans for Sunday. If she had replied with something warm, I might have invited her out.

The thing about the "I'm tired so I'm at home" response is that she was feeling you out and so she was essentially confirming to you that she's interested and not out looking for dick.

It's a bit of a double edged sword as she has interest in you, but actually doesn't want you to ask her out that minute. Plenty of guys bite in on the bait and that's bad. She's feeling you out to see if you're busy and active in your life. If you are she's up to see you at a later date.

(01-20-2016 12:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  I feel like I've overwhelmed myself on number farming and I'm spread too thing.

I think at this point you want to prioritize and taking into account your personal tastes as well as how you think each kind of woman is worth your time. Fact of the matter is that quality beats quantity every time and that should be your focus since you're at that point.

(01-20-2016 12:52 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 04:58 AM)mikado Wrote:  I have one question.

When you are trying to kino a girl and she says " I am not very touchy sorry"
Is it just me who is creeping her out? Or have you encountered legitimate girls who don't like being kinoed?

It might be a bit of both, but it depends, is this a first date? 2nd date ?

Is she kind of standoffish

I don't ever kino a girl unless I'm showing her how to do something, like bowling, shooting pool, shoot, etc.

I'll let her playfully punch me or poke me for teasing her.

Usually if a girl says that, it would sound like she's trying to prempt any funny business.

What led to her actually saying that to you ?

First date. 3 girls.
Typically we are on a couch in a bar, me next to her, facing the middle of the room. I try to kino from time to time and get closer little by little in order to not remain just a friend. However one girl voiced it loud that she was not tactile, the other one at a point kinda put her bag between us and crossed her feet.

I suppose I will only "kino" via what I say.

(01-20-2016 01:25 PM)mikado Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 12:52 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(01-20-2016 04:58 AM)mikado Wrote:  I have one question.

When you are trying to kino a girl and she says " I am not very touchy sorry"
Is it just me who is creeping her out? Or have you encountered legitimate girls who don't like being kinoed?

It might be a bit of both, but it depends, is this a first date? 2nd date ?

Is she kind of standoffish

I don't ever kino a girl unless I'm showing her how to do something, like bowling, shooting pool, shoot, etc.

I'll let her playfully punch me or poke me for teasing her.

Usually if a girl says that, it would sound like she's trying to prempt any funny business.

What led to her actually saying that to you ?

First date. 3 girls.
Typically we are on a couch in a bar, me next to her, facing the middle of the room. I try to kino from time to time and get closer little by little in order to not remain just a friend. However one girl voiced it loud that she was not tactile, the other one at a point kinda put her bag between us and crossed her feet.

I suppose I will only "kino" via what I say.

My opinion on early kino is that it should focus on the conversation you're having. Petting her head after a "okay okay [insert nickname here]", getting that bit of dust out of her hair, or putting a hand on the shoulder to emphasize a point. Of course the unintentional kino by bumping your shoulder against her should be included in it.

Early kino already puts you ahead of the "just a friend" category as kino=comfort and comfort is way past that point. Early kino should focus on being natural and part of the conversation you're having. Once things get a bit more sexual should you focus on the thigh or things with heavier connotation. You should try to make earlier comfort/kino as natural as possible.

(01-20-2016 01:25 PM)mikado Wrote:  First date. 3 girls.
Typically we are on a couch in a bar, me next to her, facing the middle of the room. I try to kino from time to time and get closer little by little in order to not remain just a friend. However one girl voiced it loud that she was not tactile, the other one at a point kinda put her bag between us and crossed her feet.

I suppose I will only "kino" via what I say.

Wow, I've never had a girl do that. Sounds like a bitch move to me.

I don't ever scoot closer to a girl like that or try to touch her arms or hands unless. The only exceptions are if they have jewelry/watch/rings.

I gotta cosign with hwuzhere, I focus more on building a connection and eye contact at first, analyze body language.

Pushing kino onto girls has never felt right or sat well with me, I only do that once I escalate in bed, cuddling to fucking.

Like I mentioned, I might checkout something they're wearing, but I don't try holding their hand, putting my arm around their shoulders.

I can tell if it's more of a friendzone (which it never has been on date) or a girl whose attracted to me, it's all in what they say and how they act/body language.

Some girls don't like touching at all unless they already trust you. I've also had a plate who was into wild sex and doing everything, but was completely anti-touching in public, period. That was her hangup!

The feelz, they do not come from a logical place...

Gracias to the RvF for your input. Will definitely look more into it.

Does anyone still use match.com for online dating?

If it's a pay site, girls must be more serious about meeting someone as opposed to attention whoring on tinder, OKC and POF. But I searched the forum and the last time there were threads on match was at least two years ago.

I wanted to update you guys on my trip to Europe. I sent out an email to some old leads, and got some responses. One persian girl, who I never got to sleep with, responded. I convinced her to make a transatlantic flight. How? Right place, right time. She discovered her LDR was cheating, and needed new prospects.

This girl was a 7.5, maybe an 8. She’s extremely wealthy (hence the trip), and survives by charming men. Since I met her three years ago, she has been drifting from bullshit startup to bullshit think-tank. She is aimless, but convinced she has “massive intelligence”. She does not, despite what her sycophantic professors tell her (who she also fucks).

However, the wealthy lifestyle is catching up to her. Her self-control is non-existent. She cannot cook, and eats only candy. She never sleeps enough, and even then, on a highly irregular schedule. She smokes and drinks too much. The result after three years? Severe acne, covered in layers of concealer. She has dropped two full points, and likely more soon. This girl pissed away everything, and now wants an LTR with me.

I couldn’t help from trying to chastise her into good behavior. I commented about her diet and exercise. Rather than listen to my advice, she told me I was “mean”.

The trip was not a disaster, however. I quickly drew tired of banging her. Her body is good, but she does not keep it toned. When she accompanied me on tourist excursions, I grew frustrated that I couldn’t approach other girls. I calmed my nerves by reminding myself to deepthroat her later.

I returned home unsatisfied, despite the frequent sex. I deliberately banged her less frequently than i could, because the minor sexual tension allowed me to tolerate her conversation.

I learned some things from this trip. Rich people waste money on everything. But how to access this market and profit from this demographic? Secondly, quality wins over quantity every time. Thirdly, I will avoid the comfort of old prospects, and push myself to seek new ones.

Ok I'm sitting in my hotel room after one of the craziest things I have ever tried.

I answered the door to this Mexican maid a week ago. She's a little bit chubby but cute young and attractive. I was only wearing a towel and her eyes sparkled at me.she speaks no English but she smiles at me when I see her and I have asked her name and other things with my bad Spanish.

A couple days ago I happened to be in my room when she came in again. She asked my name and when I was leaving and what I was doing etc. I joked with her a bit and then as she left I called her name to come back. She came back in, but I chickened out and asked her something else instead. I felt the sexual tension of being in my room while she's cleaning.

I have been having a lot of fun with other girls in this hotel room but I thought it would be fun to try and seduce her in the daytime.

So today I saw her smile at me from across.the hotel as I was leaving. I said hola. And then decided Fuck it. Went back to my room to wait for her. She comes inand I'm a little bit awkward and nervous so I just try and relax on this kindle while she tidied up. I then excuse myself to the bathroom and left the door open. Wash my face and pretend to tidy for a sec while I try and muster up the courage to do some thing. She leaves the room door open while she cleans so I had to use that room as its more private.

I asked her to come in for a sec as if I was trying to explain something important, I then tried to reach out to touch her. She made a face and backed off. I then laughed and went back in to sit down. I changed the subject by telling her I liked her towels fold ed like a swan and double checked she didn't have facebook. I then said you didn't understand me I just want ed your hand she laughed and said ah ok. She then left the room and again shut the door slowly. She lingered outside for a sec and then left.

I just realise now I have a Mexican SIM card and should have asked her number. But that situation became awkward as Fuck and I didn't think of that.

It doesn't matter too much as I have a girl coming here tonight anyway and I just wanted to act out my messed up fantasies of fucking a maid.

Anyway you can laugh and critique my ridiculous 'game' now. What should I have done instead? And what should I do if or when I see her next?

(01-17-2016 11:05 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  

(01-17-2016 06:50 PM)toejam Wrote:  Ball dont lie: how far are you from Shanghai

Far. New York to Miami far. I live in the NE of China that is in between Mongolia, North Korea and Russia.

Phoenix,

Sorry I can't reply to your message. The Great Firewall of Chinese has caused some problems with RVF for me. I should probably get a VPN. I cant send messages for some reason.

The best Chinese women in NE China are in Dalian. There are also quite a few Russians, Japanese and some Koreans there as well. Haerbin is very polluted in the winter and -35C is not fun. Sadly I am not in Dalian. I didn't know much about going to NE China and the city I choose, while larger than Dalian, is boring. I went out late night to the best bar in the city and while the ratio was good, lots of 5s, many 30+ years old. Im still trying to figure out where the hot 24 year old girls are spending their time. Might simply be at home or at restaurants.

(01-21-2016 11:41 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Does anyone still use match.com for online dating?

If it's a pay site, girls must be more serious about meeting someone as opposed to attention whoring on tinder, OKC and POF. But I searched the forum and the last time there were threads on match was at least two years ago.

My 50-something buddy uses it and he has been cleaning up for the last year. His youngest was 29yo, but he is more realistically dating women 14-16 years younger. Not sure how it would work for younger men because I don't use it.

Is your profile picture in Match searchable on google searches? Can you blur your face like on SA?
Im willing to give match a test drive at some point

Speaking with my friend last night.
He made an interesting comment.

That our women, secretly, deep down are FOR POLYGAMY.
It's just that T's & C's apply.

So if you have the value & requisite resources,
You can run harem, like they used in the good ol' days.

I find myself being drawn more & more to the ideal,
Though I'm far from living it.

Comments & thoughts welcome.
(P.S I live in South Africa).

(01-22-2016 12:55 PM)Stun Wrote:  

(01-21-2016 11:41 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  Does anyone still use match.com for online dating?

If it's a pay site, girls must be more serious about meeting someone as opposed to attention whoring on tinder, OKC and POF. But I searched the forum and the last time there were threads on match was at least two years ago.

My 50-something buddy uses it and he has been cleaning up for the last year. His youngest was 29yo, but he is more realistically dating women 14-16 years younger. Not sure how it would work for younger men because I don't use it.

Young guy checking in.

Used the three day free trial membership two years ago. Followed all the guidelines posted in threads (because I don't use OKC/POF). Got two phone numbers, one led to a date...with a SIF.



I'll stick to Tinder.

When do you hit on a girl who's with a guy?

In night game, girls are usually in groups of girls, or it's which are couples. Easy stuff.

Day game is different. I had an interesting encounter today.

I was in line at Target. It was one of those dreadful "in between shift" times when there is one register open. The line was long, and I started talking to a guy and a girl behind me. The guy was pale, skinnyfat, and was slouched over. The girl was bangable. We banter for a while, the conversation switches to the girl and I, the guy retreats and barely talks.

Nothing progressed with the girl, so after paying I figured I'd leave (If she was alone, I would've kept talking and walked out with her). I said "y'all have a good day."

The guy advances, shakes my hand, and says "you too, good seeing you again man."

I have never seen this guy in my life. Or have I?!?! Either way, this got me thinking about the question: "When do you hit on a girl who's with a guy?"

Five years ago, I'd say it's not often.

These days, with "the friend zone," decreasing testosterone, greater disparity in sex lives of males, feminization of society yada yada yada, I feel like I could have gone for the phone number and gotten away with it. What's the worst that could happen?

(01-24-2016 10:14 PM)redbeard Wrote:  I was in line at Target. It was one of those dreadful "in between shift" times when there is one register open. The line was long, and I started talking to a guy and a girl behind me. The guy was pale, skinnyfat, and was slouched over. The girl was bangable. We banter for a while, the conversation switches to the girl and I, the guy retreats and barely talks.

Nothing progressed with the girl, so after paying I figured I'd leave (If she was alone, I would've kept talking and walked out with her). I said "y'all have a good day."

The guy advances, shakes my hand, and says "you too, good seeing you again man."

I have never seen this guy in my life. Or have I?!?! Either way, this got me thinking about the question: "When do you hit on a girl who's with a guy?"

Five years ago, I'd say it's not often.

These days, with "the friend zone," decreasing testosterone, greater disparity in sex lives of males, feminization of society yada yada yada, I feel like I could have gone for the phone number and gotten away with it. What's the worst that could happen?

Perhaps HE thought he did, since you where all friendly and outgoing, unlike him.

I usually never bother with a girl who is with a guy. Is not that you cant "steal" her, but it seems like a cheap shot and most usually, she will prefer to save face and blow you off rather than risk a confrontation with the dude.

That is, if you see their cuddling, holding hands, kissing, or doing anything couple-ish. If they dont, you can assume that he is a brother, cousin, coworker, friendzoned orbiter, or the likes of those. If so, aske her straight out if they are together, or use the classic PUA line "So, how do you know each other?"

I think likewise, in these beta-ized testosterone-free age, you are doing them both a favour by banging the girl.

It's a wonderful morning as I pull into the parking lot and enjoying my first cigarette of the day. Next thing you know a SUV pulls in that's lifted 5 inches with big ass wheels.

The best thing about this scene is that the girl driving it is 5'2", small tits, a pony tail, a pretty face, and with a bit of booty on her.

You know what I love about this? That girl has a massive height complex most likely. I love it. If she hadn't been taking an hour to park, as I was busy, I would have approached her.

Girls like this are such easy pickings and the kind of girls I love teasing as someone above 6'. There is just something about that image that gets me going.

Scheduled my first afternoon weekend coffee date for Saturday in a long, long time.

Prior dates have either been weekdays at a lounge/bar or straight to my place for wine. Will be refreshing, as it's gonna a challenge for me.

I'm nervous as hell too; meeting with a 24 year-old Macedonian chick with curves and dark hair down to her ass. Got her off Tinder, so risk of flake is of course statistically assured at 3 to 1.