(02-01-2016 02:06 PM)toejam Wrote:  Met a nice young thing off SA. Been banging her for about a month now. She's been pushing for gifts but at this point I'm like whatever. She did lose her phone, we've been emailing like forever including setting up our meets. It's a pain but it's been working. She's been asking for a phone but she knows it's not happening anytime soon.

Suddenly I get an email that she can't email me anymore because her laptop broke. She nicely asked for a laptop, phone, and a booze list (they're under 21, she was going to invite me to her friends so we can have a threesome)

I can get her a cheap phone (used, ebay) and the booze but I'm not shelling out for a laptop. No way.

The funny thing is, because she had no phone she gives me her girlfriend's numbers and says "you can call me here you know I have no phone. "
I almost want to run game on the friend(s) and avoid getting her anything. Alternatively I want to just get the booze, avoid all the other requests, and get my threesome on. Her friends are hotter than her.

Ive held a solid frame with her since day 1 but she's getting more bold with her requests.
Dilemma playing itself out.....ill take anyone's 2 cents

De-escalate and withdraw gradually but quickly. Cutting cold is dangerous in these cases because she may get vindictive; I don't know how close you played your cards to your hand, but she might have some good intel on you. You will not give her anything but your company and occasionally a nice meal, this is too much.

Hope you didn't get too attached, move on to the next one.

(02-01-2016 02:38 PM)swuglyfe Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 02:06 PM)toejam Wrote:  Met a nice young thing off SA. Been banging her for about a month now. She's been pushing for gifts but at this point I'm like whatever. She did lose her phone, we've been emailing like forever including setting up our meets. It's a pain but it's been working. She's been asking for a phone but she knows it's not happening anytime soon.

Suddenly I get an email that she can't email me anymore because her laptop broke. She nicely asked for a laptop, phone, and a booze list (they're under 21, she was going to invite me to her friends so we can have a threesome)

I can get her a cheap phone (used, ebay) and the booze but I'm not shelling out for a laptop. No way.

The funny thing is, because she had no phone she gives me her girlfriend's numbers and says "you can call me here you know I have no phone. "
I almost want to run game on the friend(s) and avoid getting her anything. Alternatively I want to just get the booze, avoid all the other requests, and get my threesome on. Her friends are hotter than her.

Ive held a solid frame with her since day 1 but she's getting more bold with her requests.
Dilemma playing itself out.....ill take anyone's 2 cents

De-escalate and withdraw gradually but quickly. Cutting cold is dangerous in these cases because she may get vindictive; I don't know how close you played your cards to your hand, but she might have some good intel on you. You will not give her anything but your company and occasionally a nice meal, this is too much.

Hope you didn't get too attached, move on to the next one.

i have a few chicks on rotation. I'm far from being attached. all i want is the threesome and to bang her friends. as far as walking away, "Neil McCauley" (DeNiro) said it best

This sure as hell is a rookie question, but I don't know where to place it.

Going direct on a girl in the gym; yay or nay?

^I've done it before with this gorgeous brazilian girl. I'd say go for it, but before you do, open her casually to check her mood. If you go direct right of the bat while she's working out with a mean mug its likely not going to end well.

^^I personally never approach women at the gym. The gym is my sanctuary, I wouldn't want to do anything to fuck that up. When I'm at the gym, I focus on myself and my lifting goals. Women usually have earphones in which means they don't want to be bothered in the first place.

The gym is for your own development. Work on yourself and get stronger. There are other places to approach.

Back @ Lothario - I can't believe I got the shit back into the horse! We hung out again tonight, though I practically had to drag her in, but goddamn I'm so into this looney-toon. Oh, was she guarded, though, and she cautioned me not to bring up the previous material. I wonder what recourse I have left?

I think about approaching at the gym often.

Reasons not to approach at the gym:
-I only lift three days a week now, so when I'm there, it's fucking on. No time to talk to anyone for more than 30s
-Tons of chumps approach at the gym
-Small town, I will run into these girls again

Instead:
-Open if it's 100% natural. Need to use her equipment, working out near her, walking in/out of the facility. Talk to her like you would if she was a guy. Slowly build a friendship, then hit her for the phone # and see her outside the gym.
-Run into her outside of the gym. I "peacock" pretty heavy at the gym...always wear bright colors, vibrams, exercise loudly, talk to my friends in between sets, pose, give zero fucks. At 6'2" girls, notice me. If I run into any of them at a bar, it'll be extremely easy to say "hey you look super familiar" Game over.

Of course this is only armchair game right now. I have two girls that I'm on "hey what's up" basis with...nothing more. I've tried approaching with "hey how is that xyz..." a few times...it'll go for about 20s and then she wants to put her headphones on or I'm itching to lift a fucking weight. Doesn't work.

Need to kill some time so I'll revert to an old flake:


I flaked on this cute chick I was really interested in seeing. At the time i had JUST found this board and was doing massive reading. The only thing that really stuck after barely being on this board was 1) double book chicks and 2) kiss close at end of night.

So the day before I double book. One chick 7pm, next chick 9pm. Plan was if i get flaked on at 7 I would be out anyway and would game random bar chicks until 9. And if I get flaked on at 9 id be a rockstar and have fun anyway.
Next day I send chick 1 a message around noon: see you at 7. Soon after I send chick 2 a messge: see you at 9. Both comfirm with "ok".

At 5pm i get a message from chick 1: "where am I meeting you at 7?" I give her an address. I meet her at 730pm and off the bat we're having a good time. Its now 9pm, I'm touching her thighs, no resistance. I look at my phone, at exactly 9 I have no text from chick 2. I'm like ok ill stick with chick 1, chick 2 ain't showing up.
I put my phone on my pocket and I never look at it again until midnight 11, after a long makeout session with chick 1, slap her ass and say text me when you get home. We disband.

Its cold as hell I take a cab to my car and as I warm up my car I pull out my phone. About 6 messages from chick 2, all starting from 9:05:

"Where am I meeting you? "
Missed call
"I just got to the city where are you? "
"Im here where are you? "
Missed call
"Hey I am downtown where do you want me to meet you. "
Missed call

When I saw all that I was pissed at myself. She was definately my type, seemed cool.

I tried calling her, no answer.

Next morning I send her a text saying I was in a car accident and I couldn't call her till about midnight when I was allowed my phone. I apologized and said ill make it up.
She text back saying we'll meet when I feel better.
I waited a month and tried to restart text her. No answer. Waited a week and tried to restart again. She text me that she's no longer interested...fuuuuuuk. I did find her twitter feed of her Google image search and I must say she seemed normal, and she was hot.

I still feel kinda screwed up about it. I've never done a no-call, no-show. Plus ive never lied. I'm usually straight up when cancelling.

Fuuuuuuuuk

having out with a chick from my training class at my new job on Thursday, she seems pretty down but brings up her ex occasionally and she spent the entire weekend out of town with her ex (her ex lives out of town). I mentioned meeting for a drink and she said she could really go for a drink, idk why she brings up her ex. If I'm around she'll refer to dude as ex and when I'm not there she says boyfriend. Her name is "Star" by the way. Ha

In regards to approaching at the gym please be more specific what type of gym it is as this greater impacts if it's an ok environment to approach in. Also be prepared to avoid falling into thirst traps in which bitches wear highlighter colored outfits, very short and tight clothing, and goto the gym for attention whoring and not to really work out. It takes a lot of self-discipline to avoid these bitches who thirst trap at the gym.


When considering a gym worthy of approaching in please consider the following.:

What are the benefits and the consequences of approaching at your gym?
Is it a small gym or big gym? Is it a University gym or General Public gym? Very populated gym or low traffic gym? Is is a competitive style gym where they specialize in various exercise or is a general gym? How is the female to make ratio in the gym? As you can see there are so many factors that contribute to whether you can be comfortable approaching cute chicks in a gym.

I myself have scored alot of freshman and sophomore bitches from my university gym because a lot of them really didn't know what the fuck they were doing , aren't serious about fitness, and went just to look pretty in athletic gear. It is very easy to spot these types of girls and approach them because of the environment and social connections college can bring. Plus you will both be students and most likely live nearby or have nearby places to instadate those college girls after the gym.

But back in LA at my regular public gym I can't approach as easily because now your dealing with bitches who can either be too young, too old, family is there, have husbands, are self proclaimed personal trainers, herbal life bitches, life coaches, girls that are fitness freaks, coworkers there to cockblock, employees there to cockblock, random people there to cockbkock, etc...

I come across the types that go to look good and of course the girls that lift. Before, it was one of my main places to approach, but in more of neighborly friendly manner. I've done direct and it was accepted well. The girl was receptive but had a boyfriend.

Also, outside of the gym is perfect. Maybe you're leaving and run into a chick in the parking lot. I've seen a guy do this in his car as he was leaving. There were two girls with stripper bodies (think coke bottle) that he spoke to. He got their contact and pulled off.

Rem, you make a good point. It should be more about self-improvement than anything else (but that feel when she does the stair master and look back at you thoughhhh). I've slowed down a lot lately as my priorities have changed. I usually do a cool down period after working out with my trainer. That's when I'd make convo with someone I'm stretching or lifting next to. I even ran into a pro wrestler last week.

Great insights.

My gym, and town, is small. Everybody knows everybody kinda deal.

There are a few hngggh-worthy chicks at my gym, and I've thought about taking my chances lately.

The advice to run into them outside the gym is great.

(02-02-2016 03:53 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  (but that feel when she does the stair master and look back at you thoughhhh)

Smile at her. 99% of guys will instantly dart their eyes away, take a swig of their drink, or pretend to do something else. Remember, secret society

I don't understand approaching in the gym at all. To me it's like getting subbed off in the middle of a basketball game then leaving the bench to chat up some chick in the stands. When I'm in the gym I'm working hard, even when I stretch I have to control my breathing to time myself. You guys must be working out pretty leisurely to be able to chat someone up.

As redbeard has said, you can open if it is a natural approach, such as asking if you can work in with her on a machine you need to use, or if you walk past her, you can say "what's up" or something. There are girls I see that I talk to on the regular, but it is no more than a passerby greeting or asking what kind of workout she has for that day.

There are some very attractive women that I see at the gym, but I know that most of them are there for the attention and eye fucks. The make up and the vibrant tight pants pretty much make it a dead giveaway.

Being 6'6, around 245lbs, I don't need to peacock. People just naturally lock eyes on me when I walk around since I'm such a large presence. However, I do wear good fitting shirts that really accentuate my chest and my arms so that might actually count as peacocking.

Since I am moving to Baltimore in a few weeks, I guess I could nuke some options before I leave.

"Opening" and "Hitting On" are not synonymous

(02-01-2016 03:43 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  Going direct on a girl in the gym?

Fuck Yes!!!

Going direct at the gym is something that most guys will never do!

Because..

-Going direct at the gym is aggressive and ballsy!

-Going direct at the gym is awkward and creepy.

-Going direct at the gym is outside of your comfort zone!

-Going direct at the gym is subtle and nuanced!

-Going direct at the gym requires courage and conviction!

-Going direct at the gym requires that no fucks be given!

-Going direct at the gym requires you to face your social fears head on!

Approaching under those conditions ensures that you will be forced to grow and expand your abilities.

You might not be successful but you are GUARANTEED TO LEARN A LOT!

Going direct at the gym will give you the confidence, insight, and perspective to approach other girls outside of the gym.

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I have gone direct at the gym many times..

99% of the time, I failed.

But, the lessons I learned, I took them with me when I left the gym; Those lessons allowed me to continue approaching even more girls outside of the gym.. Those lessons amplified my confidence and self belief.. Those lessons improved my conversational skills.. Those lessons allowed me to not give a fuck! Those lessons created momentum which pushed me to approach even more!

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But, the most important point I want to make is this:

Embracing challenges, attacking weaknesses, getting out of our comfort zone, going after pretty girls, etc. -- IS WHAT SUCCESSFUL MEN DO!

Avoiding challenge, giving in to fear, being to afraid to take action, not talking to pretty girls, etc. -- IS WHAT COWARDS DO!

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If you see a girl you like, talk to her.

You have nothing to lose and everything to gain!

(02-02-2016 03:19 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  (Snipped)

I have gone direct at the gym many times..

99% of the time, I failed.

But, the lessons I learned, I took them with me when I left the gym; Those lessons allowed me to continue approaching even more girls outside of the gym.. Those lessons amplified my confidence and self belief.. Those lessons improved my conversational skills.. Those lessons allowed me to not give a fuck! Those lessons created momentum which pushed me to approach even more!

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If you see a girl you like, talk to her.

You have nothing to lose and everything to gain!

Nice one.

Giovonny,



That's 100 % pure steam-distilled wisdom.

Thanks for the inspiration man. Truly appreciated.

Met up with a Tinder match - 25 year old ok looking girl

She was Chinese, worked in movie industry.

I was hesistant about this, took us a few weeks to finally connect.

BUT I haven't been on a date with an Asian girl in a long time and said fuck it.

Met up at my favorite bar by my work, I was watching a hockey game when she came in, i fucked with her pretending not to be her date.

We chatted, nothing interesting to write up. Cut the date short after 1 drink paid seperate, hug closed, and dipped out.

Stayed about 45 minutes, I think she was surprised. I used her excuse she needed to get up early against her.

I was paying more attention to this fine little number in black heels and a black dress, shame she was with some dweeb. The hockey game was more entertaining than her.

I got 2 options lined up for Thursday, Friday I don't think I want to do shit, but I might meet up with that mixed black/west indian gal.

I've noticed im getting shorter with texts, even being lazy, and not caring to respond. I'm clearly getting more picky with females I meet up with. I'm back and forth on the energy for these dates.

I haven't even bothered to hit up 2 plates of mine, also the Indian girl also. The 19 year old plate texted me saying she has the clam aka Chlamydia, she claims she got it from me, which I think is absolute BS, she claims to only of slept with me.

I don't have shit for symptoms, but I'm going to take a piss test, get blood drawn, and a get a script anyways. Fucked thing is, I know they'll give me an Anti-Biotic - meaning this will FUCK UP my digestive tract. It always does and it wont be normal for MONTHS. So pissed.

She's very upset about it, she said she still looks up highly to me but she doesn't want anything else but monogamy. Yeah okay while you've had an orgy with your female friends and wanted a threesome with me. Sounds like this plate is a done deal, I still think she's BS'ing me and trying to frame it on me. Thanks for the sex restraints, next.

I really want to focus more on the gym, but that means no drinking on dates, sober nights, and packing food in my mouth I know will be boring or bland. I need to spice shit up.

(02-03-2016 01:37 AM)kaotic Wrote:  I really want to focus more on the gym, but that means no drinking on dates, sober nights, and packing food in my mouth I know will be boring or bland. I need to spice shit up.

Cut out bread/pasta/anything with sugar and switch to vodka sodas or_maybe_ a glass of wine on dates. It's a bargain with the devil but allows me to make gym gains while still having decent nights out.

(02-03-2016 02:01 AM)Ensam Wrote:  

(02-03-2016 01:37 AM)kaotic Wrote:  I really want to focus more on the gym, but that means no drinking on dates, sober nights, and packing food in my mouth I know will be boring or bland. I need to spice shit up.

Cut out bread/pasta/anything with sugar and switch to vodka sodas or_maybe_ a glass of wine on dates. It's a bargain with the devil but allows me to make gym gains while still having decent nights out.

i only drink vodka waters, I don't eat sugars and only eat carbs when loading up before the gym and post.

I think I just mean making my food for exciting and keep better track of PR's and body gains.

Isolated the girl from the group by going to smoke a cigarette, we kissed and all was dandy, but as we went back to the group, she put her bitch mode on again. I couldn't isolate her anymore despite my best efforts. What could I have done better?

Tinder convo today. She just finished talking about her kids, how they're teenagers so they can be left alone:

Quote:me: so let's go be irresponsible
her: I'm not looking to hook up
her: at least not today

almost fell out of my chair laughing.

Valentine's day thirst is real.

I have a chick is dangling threesome in my face in the hopes of having a valentines day date with gifts at nice hotel.
Not happening.... I will not be with these broads on valentines day +/- 5 days.

What are you guys doing about valentines day?