Over the last two years I've had tinder maybe 2 or 3 times...Scooped a handful of 8+'s. Most women I feel are there for the ego boost/when they get bored and are going to bed. Just like escalating with a woman in person, push for the number or date within first 2-4 messages. If they go for it, your in and don't f*ck it up. If they don't go for it, move on and slay more broads. That and don't dress like an idiot for your main pic. Smiling, in a suit, one with your dog, one riding your motorcycle.
Bio: Im only here wasting time until 'blank celebrity' becomes my sugar mama or something stupid like that. You attract women on Tinder as you do in real life, confident, outcome independent, assertive, and abundance mentality.
Nothing changes. Just realize that, as much like in real life 80% or more of them are just attention whores. Bang who you can and don't sweat the trolls you dont.

Yeah true, i realized a while back, chicks that are about the action will always be no matter what you say. Other chicks are literally just there to kill time and have no intentions on taking the interaction anywhere.

-CD

Need some advice, whether I was a bit eager and fucked it up, or this girl was just flakey (or both).

Me: blah blah You'll have to tell me about X and your trip over drinks sometime
Her: blah blah Sure that sounds like a great plan
Me: Cool. When abouts are you free? I don't mind coming to [her area], saw a few pubs I'd like to try. My phone number is xxx

Then there was no reply.

I'm thinking I was just over-eager, which is what a female friend said too.

(01-11-2016 10:23 AM)Aussie_Thinker Wrote:  Need some advice, whether I was a bit eager and fucked it up, or this girl was just flakey (or both).

Me: blah blah You'll have to tell me about X and your trip over drinks sometime
Her: blah blah Sure that sounds like a great plan
Me: Cool. When abouts are you free? I don't mind coming to [her area], saw a few pubs I'd like to try. My phone number is xxx

Then there was no reply.

I'm thinking I was just over-eager, which is what a female friend said too.

It's not that bad, your approach just needs a few tweaks. First off, was this messaging in the app or over text? If it's in the app, go for the number after 4-5 message exchanges using something along the lines of "I don't know about you but I hate messaging in this app. Let's text like normal people, send me your number".

It doesn't sound like a big deal whether you're messaging in the app or through text but by her giving you her number it forces her to invest in the interaction and you're now more "real" to her.

Now, once you're texting here's a better way to ask for the date:

Me: blah blah You'll have to tell me about X and your trip over drinks sometime
Her: blah blah Sure that sounds like a great plan
Me: cool when are you free
Her: I can do x day or y day after xpm
Me: Great, I've been wanting to try x bar, let's meet there x day at y time
Her: Sounds good!
Me: See you then

Once the date is set no more contact. On the day of the meet I'll usually send a reminder text if I haven't heard from her. Something like "Hey so and so see you at x time tonight"

Going through a dry spell, and daygame produces SLOW results (SDLs aren't the norm for newbies).

So I fired this shit up again to see what I can catch, even though I know I will end up disappointed once again...

Had a great interaction with a girl, if not a little too lengthy. Could have been stringing me on butcame off super submissive and ready to go. Fell off the radar as we were making plans, know she's back to college next week. Left off giving her my # and telling her to send a cute pic on Friday. Her last response was last Wed. Figure I let her response sit too long or she's nervous.

Any better move to make than "I'll be on my way then" or the like

I sent "So this is it, au revoir?" Girl gave a lame apology in Tinder 2hrs later. My response was "Don't message me here" and today I unmatched.

Perhaps she saved my number, likely not. I've moved on, should post our conversation for analysis. Need to shop out faces/some really personal info on her part first. 19 pictures, best way to share?

I'm contemplating restarting the app. Tinder is throwing the bottom chicks at me right now and I'm starting to believe I have a low rating on the app (that mass swiping past). Going to go for number closes and then hit restart.

(01-13-2016 12:34 AM)KevCapitalist Wrote:  Had a great interaction with a girl, if not a little too lengthy. Could have been stringing me on butcame off super submissive and ready to go. Fell off the radar as we were making plans, know she's back to college next week. Left off giving her my # and telling her to send a cute pic on Friday. Her last response was last Wed. Figure I let her response sit too long or she's nervous.

Any better move to make than "I'll be on my way then" or the like

Why are you giving her your number? That's like going out to daygame but expecting hot girls to approach you.

Here's the album http://imgur.com/a/MmTsf

Other than making things happen with less talking, planning things further in advance, where can I improve my approach? Why I gave my number, conversation had already escalated by then and I saw it as the best response to re-initiate the conversation. I had ignored the girl's self-deprecating comment the day earlier. Originally I wasn't going to bother trading #s.

(01-15-2016 09:53 AM)KevCapitalist Wrote:  Here's the album http://imgur.com/a/MmTsf

Other than making things happen with less talking, planning things further in advance, where can I improve my approach? Why I gave my number, conversation had already escalated by then and I saw it as the best response to re-initiate the conversation. I had ignored the girl's self-deprecating comment the day earlier. Originally I wasn't going to bother trading #s.

TL;DR.

Here's what a standard chat should look like:

You: Generic but well-crafted opener
Her: positive response
You: Cocky statement. Ask for number

-or-

You: Generic but well-crafted opener
Her: neutral response
You: qualify her
Her: qualifies back
You: Cocky statement. Ask for number

Stop making it so hard. You don't know this girl and neither of you owe the other anything. Putting so much effort in will wear you down and make you desperate.

Ah Tinder. My love-hate relationship with it is very strong.

Here's what I do

Me: Her name, you're too fucking cute.

Her: (Some bullshit like Haha thanks, so are you, whatever)

Me: I have to be honest tho

Her: What's that

Me: I'm really only looking for a fwb

Her: Same lol

Me: 999-999-9999 Here's my number send me a funny text (I sometimes simply say Phone #)

What's important here is that you type her name out in the opening message. Make sure you add the word fucking too because I feel it adds something.

But Miscbrah, how can this work? You're complimenting her and then asking for sex?

It works because shes already likely DTF since shes on Tinder and since she swiped right on you she's also probably attracted. Most girls on Tinder are looking for sex but too many guys get caught up in the who-can-be-more-witty battle that they will almost always lose.

My bio is Yes, I am trying to have sex with you. I don't think most girls read the bio anyway but some have said they laughed at it.

I've had Tinder for over a year now. I've messed around with all these different elaborate scripts and while I had some success, the above has worked the best for me and also has the benefit of not taking up much time.

As a general rule, make sure you get her number before you try to meetup. I think that texting her is much better than messaging through the Tinder app as it distances you from other guys.

Most important is to remember that Tinder is a numbers game. I also swipe right on just about everyone and try out new scripts and ideas on the ugly ones. I have had success because I've stuck with Tinder for a long time and found what works well for me.

I live in a smallish town and don't get to do as many approaches in real life as I want. Tinder helps with comfort and escalation but leaves something to be desired for approaching. Make sure you view Tinder as a supplement, not your main source of woman

Lastly, yes your pictures matter. I will also say they matter less than you probably think. My pictures are pretty bad and yet I still get plenty of hot matches. Could I get more if I had professional pictures? Definitely. However, don't wait until you get perfect pictures to try and start Tinder. You can always delete and remake your account. That way you get another shot at girls that may have swiped left on you. I don't do this though as my ego is fragile and I like seeing my army of Tinder slut matches.

Final Notes and caveats, I work primarily with 18-22 year olds. (I'm a young guy, this isn't some big accomplishment or anything) I don't really get many matches from girls older than this so I don't know how this would go with 30+ year olds. Then again, I don't think you guys are trying to bang many 30+ women either.

If you're one of those guys that has given up Tinder, redownload it and give this script a try. I think you will have some success and let me know how it works for you guys.

(01-03-2016 05:26 PM)Mr.Brown Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 01:09 PM)Marcus187 Wrote:  The conversations were also HORRIBLE. Imagine the most beta and awkward conversations you could have with a girl.

Can you share some examples?

I opened a Tinder profile on this season because girls from another cities and countries tend to visit, I saw profiles from Colombia, USA, Canada and even matched with some but I did't pass the "hello" kind of opener. Let's try on another time.

A lot of standard and stupid things that are the wrong tactic for Tinder. Like this:

He: Wauw my day is great now
She: Haha why?
He: Because you liked me
He: You're the most beautiful girl of all my matches

And then imagine you have more guys that come with this shit. A girl gets tired from this.

Or:

He: You have very beautiful eyes/hair/lips!!!!! [insert 5 heart smileys]

Here the same. Imagine you have to deal with this shit from almost every guy.

The rest of the conversations were awkward, because almost all the guys were very submissive. They put girls on a pedestal and are throwing themselves for her feet. For me it felt awkward to read how weak those guys are. Imagine how awkward it must feel for a woman, since they are naturally attracted to dominant guys.

If she doesn't answer your message: You should imagine you're a woman and that you have a lot of guys that want to talk with you. Only then you will understand why women on tinder behave like this. She won't put any effort in the conversation unless she likes you very much. I know this from my own experience and my niece confirmed it. So if a girl unmatches you very easily or doesn't do shit to keep the conversation going, then you know you're just an average guy for her. She doesn't give a shit if she loses you, because you're replaceable.

If she likes you? Then she will probably stalk you, ask your whatsapp or asking you out. I had this a lot with ugly girls, because I'm a trophy for them. But I rarely experienced this with good looking girls.

(01-03-2016 05:34 PM)Stimulus Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 01:09 PM)Marcus187 Wrote:  My niece has Tinder too and she let me look on her account. Maybe it has something to do with the country I live in (guys are extremely beta, thirsty and pathetic), but the guys on her Tinder were pathetic on a level I had never seen before.

She said she swiped left 90% of the time, because the guys were not good looking or had stupid pictures you just don't use for an app like Tinder. The conversations were also HORRIBLE. Imagine the most beta and awkward conversations you could have with a girl.

I think apps like Tinder are ruined by those pathetic guys, because if I were a woman, I would just delete my account instead of wasting my time on thirsty and socially awkward losers.

I takes 2 people investing before you can speak of some sort of conversation and girls are relentless when it comes to these kind of apps. Say 1 thing she doesn't like and you're doomed. That's why you should meet up asap. Nevertheless be thankfull of all those guys making a fool out of themselves, they make it much easier for you to stand out.

That being said, the attitude some of those girls are showing is just out of this world. There's a lot of them thinking they really are some special little princess like daddy always told them, whilst being just a 6 thinking she's competing for being the next Miss Universe.

Where in Holland do you live, north/east/south/west?

True. But I can understand their behaviour. Imagine you're in the position of a woman. You can get every man you want, so why waste your precious time on some average guy if you can also talk with guys that have better looks, a better education or a better job? These are the only three things she knows about you. I even know good looking guys who got unmatched, because they didn't went to college or didn't have a good job.

If she thinks you're just an average guy, then she will easily unmatch you. I know this from my own experience. It doesn't feel as a loss for her, because you're not a trophy for her or someone she really wants.

I live in the western part of the country in one of the biggest cities. A lot of students live here, so Tinder is a nice tool to hook up with them. But I don't like Dutch women in general. Feminism and equality are big here, so a lot of them have horrible personalities. They also age VERY bad. 16-25 is the prime age for most women here. I see you live in The Netherlands too?

Well I'm matching like a champ today. Seven matches, four from SuperLikes, and one that matched as I clicked, so she had to have liked me previously. Odd. Tinder must give you just enough now and then to keep you coming back....

I've literally got 0 matches from this in the last 2 weeks. It's either hot or cold in batches. Whatever their algorithm is it's fucking shit.

I've been super liked a few times and what I've noticed is they tend to bypass search parameters when they come up on your feed. I specify 18-21 within 5 miles or so but when I get super liked its usually by older, more further away chicks and they still come up in my feed.

Small advantage with them i guess.

(01-17-2016 02:31 AM)Marcus187 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 05:34 PM)Stimulus Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 01:09 PM)Marcus187 Wrote:  My niece has Tinder too and she let me look on her account. Maybe it has something to do with the country I live in (guys are extremely beta, thirsty and pathetic), but the guys on her Tinder were pathetic on a level I had never seen before.

She said she swiped left 90% of the time, because the guys were not good looking or had stupid pictures you just don't use for an app like Tinder. The conversations were also HORRIBLE. Imagine the most beta and awkward conversations you could have with a girl.

I think apps like Tinder are ruined by those pathetic guys, because if I were a woman, I would just delete my account instead of wasting my time on thirsty and socially awkward losers.

I takes 2 people investing before you can speak of some sort of conversation and girls are relentless when it comes to these kind of apps. Say 1 thing she doesn't like and you're doomed. That's why you should meet up asap. Nevertheless be thankfull of all those guys making a fool out of themselves, they make it much easier for you to stand out.

That being said, the attitude some of those girls are showing is just out of this world. There's a lot of them thinking they really are some special little princess like daddy always told them, whilst being just a 6 thinking she's competing for being the next Miss Universe.

Where in Holland do you live, north/east/south/west?

True. But I can understand their behaviour. Imagine you're in the position of a woman. You can get every man you want, so why waste your precious time on some average guy if you can also talk with guys that have better looks, a better education or a better job? These are the only three things she knows about you. I even know good looking guys who got unmatched, because they didn't went to college or didn't have a good job.

If she thinks you're just an average guy, then she will easily unmatch you. I know this from my own experience. It doesn't feel as a loss for her, because you're not a trophy for her or someone she really wants.

I live in the western part of the country in one of the biggest cities. A lot of students live here, so Tinder is a nice tool to hook up with them. But I don't like Dutch women in general. Feminism and equality are big here, so a lot of them have horrible personalities. They also age VERY bad. 16-25 is the prime age for most women here. I see you live in The Netherlands too?

Agree, Tinder is looks orientated if anything. That's why I said there's almost no room for error when it comes to messaging.

I live in the eatern part. Not a very good region for Tinder. I get a lot more (quality) matches in the west but can't to a lot with them due to logistics. Also girls seem more open to hook up etc. I did notice however there's a hell of a lot more 'bots' in the western part. Which makes sense because of population density.

I got more selective on who I swiped right on and the quality of women Tinder is showing me has gone way up. Still mostly only matching with the occasional SIF who slips through my improved filter but at least there's eye candy. Got matched with a 6 and an 8. The 6 responded but then quickly dropped off the 8 never responded.

I installed tinder and got nowhere. The app maxed me out on swipes and I bailed a few days after going through that nonsense.
Id like to try again but I can't imagine being maxed out again

I got SIFd by a girl on tinder. Girls pictures weren't bad she didn't look fat. Her face and arms looked normal and her face was cute. I did notice all her pictures were from the neck up or wearing a hoodie. Red flag.

So we match, super flirty and we exchange numbers. I txt her and short chat. I ask her for pictures and she sends me a couple. I go through her Instagram and Facebook for research. Again She looks normal, big time flirty and says she wants to get down and dirty, pretty explicit messages. I'm thinking cool got one lined up its game time, but something in my gut was nagging me.

Early Sunday Plan is she's getting out of work and stopping by my place. I tell her to bring me something to eat. She shows up with food but she's in sweat pants and a hoodie. Her hair is nappy, no make up, and she's at least 30 pounds heavier than in her pics. I can tell because she has extra skin in that area under your chin. Not quite double chin but about 2 snickers away. 20 years old how can you be overweight already. Her teeth are not as nice as the pictures. I'm thinking fuck, what do I do now, I really fucked myself here.

We chit chat a little, I eat the food and don't want to be a dick so we just watch a movie. She tries to get in my pants but I'm just like nah I'm not really in the mood tonight you know we just met girl and we should take it slow.... I did make out with her but damn that was a struggle. I think she got the point because she left right after the movie. She Text me after says we make a good match. Fucking hell no way.

At least I got food out of it but goddamn. Losing faith on this tinder bullshit. On top of this I keep getting "no more girls in your area". Fuck you tinder, it's a large metropolitan city!!

(01-19-2016 05:56 AM)xxMarco Wrote:  I got SIFd by a girl on tinder. Girls pictures weren't bad she didn't look fat. Her face and arms looked normal and her face was cute. I did notice all her pictures were from the neck up or wearing a hoodie. Red flag.

So we match, super flirty and we exchange numbers. I txt her and short chat. I ask her for pictures and she sends me a couple. I go through her Instagram and Facebook for research. Again She looks normal, big time flirty and says she wants to get down and dirty, pretty explicit messages. I'm thinking cool got one lined up its game time, but something in my gut was nagging me.

The bolded parts are the dead giveaways that a girl is SIFing you. (Fat) girls get horny and desperate too.

Been on Tinder for a good while now and been SIFed twice.

If there's one lesson I take from 2015 and tattoo into my DNA, it's trust your gut.

I met a girl about a month ago whose pics were properly vetted by me. She had about 5 online and sent me more on Whatsapp. Even full body shots. In the photos she looked a little voluptuous, and had a really pretty face. She was young and so put it down to some puppy fat. The full-length body shots put my mind at rest.

When I met her the body was a fucking disaster zone. But thankfully she had about 15-20 tattoos to tell me all about, so at least the conversation was thoroughly scintillating.

(01-19-2016 05:56 AM)xxMarco Wrote:  We chit chat a little, I eat the food and don't want to be a dick so we just watch a movie. She tries to get in my pants but I'm just like nah I'm not really in the mood tonight you know we just met girl and we should take it slow.... I did make out with her but damn that was a struggle. I think she got the point because she left right after the movie. She Text me after says we make a good match. Fucking hell no way.

At least I got food out of it but goddamn. Losing faith on this tinder bullshit. On top of this I keep getting "no more girls in your area". Fuck you tinder, it's a large metropolitan city!!

You didn't even get your dick sucked ? Come on now, fat bitches love giving head.

Shit if she's there, I might as well get my rocks off, especially if she's trying to whip your dick out.

I got no shame in that, besides you won't be able to fuck her after that, problem solved.

(01-19-2016 11:38 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  I met a girl about a month ago whose pics were properly vetted by me. She had about 5 online and sent me more on Whatsapp. Even full body shots. In the photos she looked a little voluptuous, and had a really pretty face. She was young and so put it down to some puppy fat. The full-length body shots put my mind at rest.

When I met her the body was a fucking disaster zone. But thankfully she had about 15-20 tattoos to tell me all about, so at least the conversation was thoroughly scintillating.

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