Post: #201

The moment when Holm made Rousey her bitch

Post: #202

Even the best laid plans go to shit when you get punched in the face. Thats why you should always get punched in the face to get it over with.

Post: #203

(11-28-2015 08:45 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Even the best laid plans go to shit when you get punched in the face. Thats why you should always get punched in the face to get it over with.

I think Confucius said that.

Post: #204

Watched that "The Hype is Over" video. Man, they really resent Mayweather.

I heard he's a jerk but I've never seen anything like Rousey"s showboating.

Bitches are just jealous I guess, no matter their gender.

Post: #205

First off let me premise by stating I am not a fan of Ronda Rousey but I disagree with people saying she's a "hack". Regardless of her personality you don't become an Olympic level judoka without hard work and dedication. I won't comment on her personality or how it's portrayed in the media because I've never met her and don't trust the media enough to give me an accurate showing. Am I surprised that she was knocked out? Bound to happen, look at all the past men's champions that were once thought unbeatable; Anderson Silva, Fedor Emilionenko, Matt Hughes, etc. They all specialized in one aspect of the sport while training everything else.

It's a giant Rock Paper Scissors game right? A submission artist got knocked out by a top level striker, not very shocking. It was bound to happen but I still don't see this as Rousey being shit since she is a legitimate competitor. For those die hard Rousey fans that thought she was unbeatable, it may have been a shock but anyone that's watched the sport long enough knows there is no untouchable champ out there. Also anyone that's trained in any aspect of the sport knows how grueling it is. I wrestled in my youth and it was the toughest training/conditioning I ever experienced now put that on an Olympic level? You have my respect.

Oh and personally I'm happy Holm won because I would like to see more competition, other than Rousey arm barring everybody and their mothers. Doesn't mean I take anything away from her as a competitor though. On a side note looking forward to another "untouchable" champ go up against a legitimate threat; Aldo vs McGregor.

Post: #206

Wasn't she unable to get the ground game going? Holme is a striker isn't she? Losing on the ground when you're a supposedly world class Judo champ against an opponent whose primary KO's come from punches and kicks is not something that happens to the best, in any sport.

She was totally outclassed, her face was fucked up and she got put on her arse in quick succession by a great kick to the noggin. Where was her defence? Her ground game? SHe looked fat and slow which confused me because I saw her other fights and she looked athletic and lean.

People say it is her trainers and I would have to agree.

Post: #207

(11-28-2015 09:18 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 08:45 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Even the best laid plans go to shit when you get punched in the face. Thats why you should always get punched in the face to get it over with.

I think Confucius said that.

It´s actually von Moltke the Elder:
“No plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first encounter with the main body of the enemy.”

Post: #208

(11-28-2015 09:38 PM)Celtic_Austrian Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 09:18 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 08:45 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Even the best laid plans go to shit when you get punched in the face. Thats why you should always get punched in the face to get it over with.

I think Confucius said that.

It´s actually von Moltke the Elder:
“No plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first encounter with the main body of the enemy.”

To be fair I was kidding around. It was either Confucius or Moses I was gonna go with.

But I did not know about Helmuth so thank you.

Post: #209

Foolsgo1d

Like I said she lost but doesn't take away from what she's accomplished and the work she's put in to achieve it.

Also what does "supposedly" world class judo champ imply? There is no supposedly, she is an Olympian. People being happy about her losing, I understand. People saying she's ugly, I understand. People saying she got crushed, I get it. What I don't get is people saying she's a "hack", she sucks, and generally taking away from her legitimacy as a competitor.

Post: #210

She was over-hyped and she believed it, people calling her the best athlete ever in UFC in a insult to the legends that fought before her.

So it was sweet justice to see her get her head knocked off.

Post: #211

(11-28-2015 10:50 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  She was over-hyped and she believed it, people calling her the best athlete ever in UFC in a insult to the legends that fought before her.

So it was sweet justice to see her get her head knocked off.

Might just be, one of the biggest "reality checks" around.

Post: #212

(11-28-2015 10:50 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  She was over-hyped and she believed it, people calling her the best athlete ever in UFC in a insult to the legends that fought before her.

So it was sweet justice to see her get her head knocked off.

Not only was she over-hyped but Joe Rogan and Dana White promoted the opinion that she could beat men her size. They even said that she would seriously hurt Mayweather in a street fight.

Has Rogan apologized for all the Rousey butt kissing he did? It was disgusting.

Also, Rousey called out Mayweather for his domestic violence arrest but she recently revealed that she beat the crap out an ex-boyfriend.

Post: #213

(11-28-2015 10:38 PM)Sigma Wrote:  Foolsgo1d

Like I said she lost but doesn't take away from what she's accomplished and the work she's put in to achieve it.

Also what does "supposedly" world class judo champ imply? There is no supposedly, she is an Olympian. People being happy about her losing, I understand. People saying she's ugly, I understand. People saying she got crushed, I get it. What I don't get is people saying she's a "hack", she sucks, and generally taking away from her legitimacy as a competitor.

She fought a boxer in a UFC ring, where she should have submitted her without the need for going toe-to-toe.
She lost on both fronts and got KO'd. Either she lost her edge or she never had it.

Post: #214

"She should have submitted her without the need for going toe-to-toe" ??
I'm going to assume you meant "she should have tried to submit her while avoiding going toe-to-toe."

She only lost on one front since they didn't have any prolonged grappling but rather Holm took down Rousey once and Rousey failed an attempt to arm bar Holm.

Regardless my point isn't Rousey didn't lose or the degree of which she lost but that this whole "never had it" (edge) is unnecessary. I understand people not appreciating the over-hyping but I also understand the business aspect of it.

Rousey got smashed, Rousey is ugly, Rousey is annoying, Rousey is NOT the best ever, Rousey was over-hyped, etc but she is an Olympic level athlete, she obtained and defended the title multiple times, and basically put her whole life into judo/Mma. If you can't at least acknowledge her legitimacy after seeing that, I really have nothing else to say.

Post: #215

So how did a woman who won and defended a Olympic level event get so massively outclassed in an arena where you can play touch your ankles by a woman who favours to punch and kick her opponents face?

Break it down please. This is the issue many people have but more importantly she became a super cunt and believed every ass-kisser in the business who were making cash from her name.

I'm not hating on her as a person but as a fighter she needs to suck it up, get better or just disappear. Its likely all the hangers on will want more of her but I reckon she will fold.

Post: #216

I think her edge has become quite curved. I don't think her ego recovers and she will become a ball of fat. First, the original rosey the riveter quite after two weeks and now overhauled chick got knocked out. I guess the next role model for women is gonna be that fat superhero comic chick. The lies can only be believed for so long.

Post: #217

Notice she has gone dark since the fight.

I would have an ounce of respect if she showed her face.

Post: #218

Post: #219

(11-28-2015 10:38 PM)Sigma Wrote:  Foolsgo1d

Like I said she lost but doesn't take away from what she's accomplished and the work she's put in to achieve it.

Also what does "supposedly" world class judo champ imply? There is no supposedly, she is an Olympian. People being happy about her losing, I understand. People saying she's ugly, I understand. People saying she got crushed, I get it. What I don't get is people saying she's a "hack", she sucks, and generally taking away from her legitimacy as a competitor.

I probably hate Rousey more than you ever will, but damn it's refreshing to read a RVF comment from someone that can see it how it is despite the deserved hate that Rousey is feeling. People even believe that she's done with no chance of sucess... when all she needs is to polish up on not being so aggressive in her striking, and focusing on the defensive side of it when she'll face another elite striker... and that's it! As long as she's willing to learn & listen, she'll get that fix up. It won't be easy, but just being good defensively isn't rocket science either. With that, she at least has a chance in the rematch! But Holly is a Bat Bitch tough, who train with Jonny Bones Jones!!

Post: #220

Rhonda has pissed me off since she started in MMA. She's talked a lot of BS claiming that she can beat male athletes and all that nonsense which of course we know here is ridiculous. She has also faced weak opponents in many of her matches.

With all that said, I still respect her as an athlete and all her accomplishments. She's not a hack and is ridiculously talented, disciplined, and probably trains her ass off.

The guys here who don't train don't understand how hard it really is. Training MMA is just...brutal...is the best word I can use to describe it, some of the classes are just...I don't know some of the worst pain I've felt before? I'm a purple belt, train in Muay Thai, and wrestling. The level of conditioning and training needed is just insane even at my amateur level, so I can't really imagine what the top people go through.

Post: #221

(11-29-2015 01:23 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  So how did a woman who won and defended a Olympic level event get so massively outclassed in an arena where you can play touch your ankles by a woman who favours to punch and kick her opponents face?

Break it down please. This is the issue many people have but more importantly she became a super cunt and believed every ass-kisser in the business who were making cash from her name.

You're right on the unhealthy training camp/"yes" men issue, but on an X and 0 level - Ronda has the best clinch game takedowns in her division by a wide margin and a deadly ground game. Her striking could overwhelm lesser athletes because of her athleticism, but it was nowhere near the same level. And she's not a wrestler, she just doesn't HAVE a way to go under Holly's punches (and bad knees that prevent her from even training the kind of low level shot Couture used to takedown James Toney).

Ronda basically uses her aggressive (if limited) striking as a delivery system for her deadly Judo. If she can't punch/bullrush her way in, she basically doesn't have a way to even USE her Judo. This isn't normally an issue, she just has to be good enough to clinch once and it's usually over, but she wan't as invincible as she looked (obviously).

Also, Holly is about the worst case scenario for that kind of bullrush tactic, her whole game is about evasive movement and being impossible for other fighters to track down. Worst style matchup possible for someone that depends on bullrushing into a clinch. If Holly were a world class "toe to toe" power puncher type instead, odds are highly likely that Rousey would get a clinch before a big puncher lands a KO punch. But Holly is a master of the Run and Gun, so it's just REALLY hard for Rousey to even engage her main weapons.

Post: #222

Also note the leg kicks Holly used. Rhonda had no defense for them. Every time she tried to close the distance, Holly would kick her in the leg to slow her down. Rhonda was trying to get to Holly to use her Judo, but for most of the fight she simply couldn't.

Post: #223

(12-02-2015 09:40 PM)Neo Wrote:  She's not a hack and is ridiculously talented, disciplined, and probably trains her ass off.

I don't follow MMA as much as I follow boxing. But my issue is if she really trained hard and was disciplined (if she was disciplined she probably wouldn't shoot her mouth off so much. Discipline to me means having respect for the trade/craft.) If she was disciplined she would have a better BF%. There is a lot of useless weight she is carrying. Holm was fit.

And if she was disciplined and trained hard, she would never look this. I box, I have been training for a bit now, and I will say, I never looked this shitty shadow boxing. And I rarely say anything on this forum saying I am better than X or I can do better than Y, etc. Who did she think she was impressing?

(11-15-2015 07:09 AM)Repo Wrote:  I knew this was coming someday ever since I saw this gif:

On a side note, maybe she just lost the drive to get up for the fight. A lot of her talk before, it sounded like she knew something was coming. We have all been there when we were just worn down. Maybe that added to it. But she was sloppy. She just never paid for her sloppiness like she did against Holm.

Post: #224

She might not be that good at boxing or maybe she just sucked in that clip. Truth is nobody really knows outside her training camp.

Striking is not her game and shouldn't be even when she goes for the rematch. She's a judoka, who's main takedown is a headlock hip throw followed by an arm bar. Once in there instincts take over, her body knows grappling so she went with what was familiar. She can train for years and not beat Holm in a striking match.

In terms of her BF% and training, she's not bodybuilding. I train with some guys who don't 'look the part' but train like crazy and have diets that are strict, but for whatever reason they never achieve that defined look.

I really dislike her, but to say that she's a hack, unskilled, or not a hard worker in my mind is absurd. Most people wouldn't even be able to make it through an hour of training, let alone what this chick has been doing. When all the guys talking about how she sucks on the internet post the videos of their fights then maybe I'll listen to what they have to say.

Post: #225

(12-02-2015 10:50 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 09:40 PM)Neo Wrote:  She's not a hack and is ridiculously talented, disciplined, and probably trains her ass off.

I don't follow MMA as much as I follow boxing. But my issue is if she really trained hard and was disciplined (if she was disciplined she probably wouldn't shoot her mouth off so much. Discipline to me means having respect for the trade/craft.) If she was disciplined she would have a better BF%. There is a lot of useless weight she is carrying. Holm was fit.

Rousey did look visually appear to be in not as good shape as she has in her other fights.

Rousey's media obligations are pretty step. It's not discipline. You don't go to the '04 and '08 olympic games and then win 12 fights in a row while juggling movies and tons of media because you didn't have discipline.

She was probably stretched thing and this probably took a toll on her.

Quote: I have been training for a bit now, and I will say, I never looked this shitty shadow boxing. And I rarely say anything on this forum saying I am better than X or I can do better than Y, etc. Who did she think she was impressing?

She's has no boxing background thats why. This is what happens when an olympic level judoka trains MMA with a head coach who is actually a boxing coach.

Rousey's mom went off on him a month before the fight ironically.

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/10/ronda-rouse...tarverdyan