Boy, do I love the fact that rational people can still argue and disagree in an uncensored setting without either side regressing into quitting, calling names or resorting to straw man attacks.
I think we should celebrate this fact because jesus christ has it become rare these days. Even on the internet platforms are either ridiculously one-sided (r/European, Stormfront etc.) or blatantly censored (every other forum, newssite)
So that's one thing I wanted to say. The other is that I know I'm a new member with zero posts so far so I know the troll radar is going to be closely monitored while reading this post. But I'm far from that and I'd consider myself a long-ass-time lurker (I'm talking long-ass-time as in I think I knew of Roosh even before he had a forum) and I know the community very well.
I'll be posting in the introduction thread soon, but I've had a few beers and want to get this off my chest. I only registered precisely because of this thread, and I've put off my first post for some days. But now it's coming out.
I do love the opinions of americans and even though the gun debate is not particularly helpful (laws will not change here even in a 100 years unless we really do get a full-out war) it's still something to keep in mind. We Europeans have used this trope of the gun crazed American for quite some time and I think it’s time to finally admit that we were wrong.
Of course I can’t speak for all of Europe but I certainly can speak for myself. And I sure have been guilty of this.
While we do have less school shootings and gun related deaths it’s still not worth it to give up the most effective self-defence option in the 21th century for some utopian fantasy. We are in the worst of positions since humankind has existed. We are being lead by a corrupted state which set in place laws against possessing tools to revolt against it.
That is real fucking clever and I’m sure the american administration has wet dreams about this scenario, but as long as “primitive” rednecks and Texans resist the chemical and psychological castration that is taking place you US boys will keep enjoying this literal freedom.
Here in Europe we need to work with what we got.
None of those Europeans reading this post had any part in creating the gun restrictions which are in place and neither do we have a choice to buy a farm in Texas. So we either work within the lawful boundaries and get creative or we don’t and take a weekend trip to Czechoslovakia soon. But it wouldn’t be wise to post about none of that so debating about any of that shit is of no use.
Americans to me are still a very welcome discussion partner, because they have a very differently distinct view of things and aren’t so much emotionally touched by it all. Emotion does taint reason and no one who sees his motherland being invaded without any, any fucking power to stop it can talk himself free from that.
I’ve gone from “We can handle this” to “Atomic bombs will fall tomorrow” to “Shit will just get gradually worse” within 6 months.
Truth is I don’t know what’s gonna happen. I have no idea what I will believe tomorrow. No one does obviously but we sort of pretend that we do.
The big trap I believe many of us fall into is that we think information is knowledge (of the future). But no matter how intricate your knowledge of the workings of state, army, economics, social dynamics etc. you won’t know for certain how that interacts with each other and produces results.
The rate at which technology changes every facet of our lives combined with the most dense population that ever existed and the most information ever shared at every minute makes it absolutely positively impossible to make predictions about the future in my opinion.
Just a couple of minutes ago I watched a download saying it’s loading at 2.7MB/s over my wireless network. Jesus fuck I remember a time where games were shipped in 7 - 10 1.4MB hard disks which had to be loaded individually. That’s like 15 years ago maybe.
Who am I to predict what will be in 15 years from 2.7MB/s via wireless network?
Of course information technology is not all but believe me it’s huge. Couple of years ago the word drone was sci-fi talk now we are discussing laws against flying the stuff in your backyard.
What’s gonna happen when every single african kid has a smartphone? Will they all use it to come here or will they wikipedia the shit out of it and build a new society?
I think we just don’t know.
That’s why I believe it’s important to be modest with our opinions. The more respected you are, the more information you have and the more adamant you are with what you say the more you will discourage opposition.
In politics that’s a fine thing and generally I wouldn’t blame a guy to make use of this. It’s the essence of the alpha. But if we wanna search for the truth it has no place.
The “more information” part is a bit slippy of course. It can never be wrong to have more information, because after all if we didn’t base our opinions on information we wouldn’t need to discuss. But don’t forget about human creativity.
I told my father “Winter will come, people will freeze to death.” and now I’m thinking: “Well, soldiers, policemen and leftist freaks will go for days without sleep before a single dude would die within our borders.”
But when that day comes where one of them says: “I won’t report for duty today. I’m sick of this shit” and that snowballs into a mass I don’t give a fuck anymore attitude then well. Maybe just that will happen.
It’s just not something that we can predict. It’s like with the stock market. Half of you will be right in two years time. And those will say: “Told you so.”
Okay, so that’s one thing, but enough with the “I don’t know” bullshit.
Here is what I think being on the ground in Germany:
Not much will happen this winter and 1 - 2 years to come. Not many will die (there will be some incidents here and there) and not much will burn (apart from an asylum centre here and there). The far right parties will gain some support but not enough to make any meaningful changes.
On the ground you don’t see much yet. These people are here but except from media reports you don’t notice it. They are still confined to their centres and tents. They aren’t working yet, they aren’t participating in the nightlife etc. And it’s only 1 - 1.5% of the population.
Yes, that will change, and yes their families will come and yes Germans might be a minority here in 10 - 20 years. Butt just not yet.
And I absolutely agree with everyone who says that police and military can control quite a bunch of these people. Mind you that even if every tenth invader was an active ISIS fighter they wouldn’t stand a chance to upset national security here. German police and military is full of silent little nazis having rock hard hard-ons thinking about REAL muslim invasion with “kill on sight” orders.
The reports which are being leaked about warnings that national security is at danger is very relative. Sure. National security AS WE KNOW IT is at danger. But it’s very far from a zombie apocalypse scenario.
Even in one of the worst of the worst major cities in Germany where a white male person will be the minority at the main railroad station, I have yet to see a black, muslim or asian police man.
I’ve talked to many of them and of course they would never explicitly say it, but they would just fucking love a carte blanche to go wild on those bastards. The only thing they fear on duty are backlashes from social activists and lawsuits.
German police has so so so much pent up anger inside you wouldn’t even know. On duty they are the biggest freaking pussies where any guy with just a hint of pseudo law knowledge can basically order them to stay 10 feet away unless there is a real good reason not to. But when shit gets real and they have a bona fide excuse to excert force you better keep your head down.
I’ve had quite some encounters with our “Freund und Helfer” (friend and helper, it’s an old slogan the police force used to have) and they are far from that. If even a hint of the myth of the american donut eating cop is true modern German police forces look like a SWAT team compared to that.
(Like I said, no offence to Americans, I don’t know nothing about the country, the police or anything, but it’s what we get from pop media)
It’s just two cities here which I know intimately. I’ve never lived in suburban areas or anything so yeah. This is MY opinion. Doesn’t represent the truth.
What happens in western politics is depends on how the elite reacts to the events. Even though they have agendas and want certain things to happen they are well aware that they can’t plan out every single detail in advance. They react to things as they come. Always with the end goal in mind.
If their fantasy has been a culturally enriched Europe and the peaceful mass immigration is disrupted by a french Le Pen or a Dutch PVV they have multiple options. They can either make an example out of that country by royally fucking it up economically and saying: “See what happens when you vote far right?” or they can push other countries into voting far-right too and then create conflict out of nothing (which is ridiculously easy even in our times) and create war.
Or maybe they don’t even want a war and they let everyone in Europe vote far-right and then just literally starve them to death by means of a economical crisis.
Then they can send a message to the entire world saying: “See what happens when you believe in your country?”
It’s tough to say what their thoughts are. But judging from what I’ve seen it’s not even possible to underestimate their power.
Everyone who doesn’t believe in this “conspiracy stuff” just never spent any time looking into it. Couple of years ago I would have laughed at anybody saying what I believe now, but truly 9/11 is a blessing for any truth seeker. (This sounds very morbid and I beg any American for forgiveness, because I don’t in any way want to disrespect the victims of the attack or the fellow countrymen)
The reason I’m saying it is because any “conspiracy” before that is just too poorly documented (by today’s instant gratification standards) to just bust out the facts for a layman and say: “LOOK!” . It takes too much life experience, information and imagination to believe many that much of the older “history” is actually crime.
With 9/11 it’s very simple. You’re either very, very dumb and naive or you just haven’t spent enough time looking into it. Even my little sister doesn’t believe in the official story. And she’s as naive as it gets. True story. Anybody from the forum attacking me on this:
You. Have. Not. Spent. Enough. Time. Looking. Into. It.
I would never care for the opinion of anybody who hasn’t spent at least 100 hours researching 9/11
I’m not American. I don’t care. But I want the truth and what I found is deeply disturbing.
Once you accepted that and extrapolate into: “If someone could do that. What else could they do and have done?” it’s downhill from there.
So now back to the migrant crisis. Obviously that is being orchestrated by those powers as well.
The only real information we can get in my opinion is when they react to changes which are happening. Those reactions can be interpreted and are the only meaningful information regarding their immediate agenda.
For example, the migrant crisis is still in the news every day in Germany. It’s usually a headline too, so there is no “We don’t report on this” going on. But even though the coverage has become more critical (because the real problems are so enormous that they can’t be ignored without obviously appearing as a propaganda channel) there are still subtle jabs towards anybody who contemplated changing their opinion.
PEGIDA is still being described as a “hate group”, in the most natural, self-evident and unassuming way possible. Like, you really don’t even notice it when the serious suited up spokesman says it.
“The hate group PEGIDA has continued it’s protests despite the national….”
So, that’s what I look out for.
Once PEGIDA becomes a “human rights movement” or “activists to strengthen German’s citizens rights” you better grab your fucking Czech gun or home-made crossbow.
Of course there is a theoretical chance of us being “levelled” (a term out of professional poker, where you make a power move to make your opponent think you’re bluffing hoping to call it) but I don’t think you can apply this kind of thinking for mass hypnosis. So this a rational person’s safest bet.
Well I guess this post is long enough to give up any point of brevity. Do you wanna know why a German guy is against mass integration?
It’s got to do with the fact that people think Germans are wealthy and should give up some of their wealth to give it to others.
None of this fucking agenda really happens because we need anything. There is a “well the demographics” argument being thrown around for people who don’t quite have the balls to take the pain of being called Nazi for not wanting it. But the real motivation, the real argument, the real selling point is “IT’S OUR DUTY TO HELP”. “WE HAVE SO MUCH.” “WE SHOULD GIVE SOME”.
That is what is is. That is what is being sold. That is what’s discussed.
Well you know what? Fuck you.
My mother grew up being piss fucking poor. My mother would get skirts for her birthday which were sewn in multiple times so that whenever she grew they could let out some cloth and keep using that skirt.
My mother didn’t get toys. She played in the backyard with sticks and stones and friends and american fucking tanks.
School wanted to visit a different city with her class? Well, not for her.
My father grew up to a man who lost his right arm in WWII who never with even a single word would discuss anything that happened to him before he was 30. I was told that before I even knew what a spoon was. The guy worked for 50 years 6 days a week god knows how many hours for a major German company with one fucking arm. And my father after him (with two arms, but still).
These days we are getting "documentaries" with "refugees" being portrayed as victims because they can't afford a hearty meal for 5EUR (literally, they complained about not getting a meal worth 5EUR everyday and it's being sold as a tragedy).
My mother had meat once a month.
Guess what she did to me if I didn't eat my veggies?
My parents weren’t “loving, all consenting happy people”. My parents were fucking harsh.
Like life was to them, they were to me.
Lose your jacket when you’re 9? Well that goes away from your allowance. Live here when you’re 18? Well, gotta pay rent.
Jesus I had so much pressure to perform that I tried to commit suicide when I was 17 after I failed a class.
Sure that was dumb, but come live with my parents for a month and you’ll be having similar thoughts.
I love em both that’s not the point. It’s what we lived, it’s what we know and it’s what we pass down.
Wealth? Freedom? Democracy?
Two of those we don’t even have here and the other one we worked for through blood, sweat and tears. I’m not even 30 and I’ve worked myself almost literally to the bone, because I got fucking back problems, joint pains and pretty much mild PTSD because when two Germans work together 16 hours a day, 80 hours a week there will be TENSIONS. Not for a couple of minutes, or some mondays when you’re in a bad mood. NO. 16 HOURS A DAY. 80 HOURS A WEEK.
People will shout at you seeing if you will cry when you're making mistakes.
No fucking break. You can grab a snack for 10 minutes. But only if you’re within schedule.
You think racism is bad? Try being a German and making a mistake next to me. I will fucking eat you alive.
I couldn’t care less where you’re from. We measure performance, not skin color.
This is what I am, this is what I know.
Life is shit. Competition is tough. Deal with it or perish.
Of course that is not the reality for many Germans and sure there are many jobs here where you are basically being paid to exist. But that shit won’t be much longer going on. I hear it from all sides that educated Germans can’t find a job (got some friends in exactly that position) and that the whole story about us needing help from outside for the workforce is complete and utter horseshit. That myth is being pushed by industry giants who would like to see better educated people competing for less money instead of just taking what the German job market has to offer.
There are documentaries made by reputable producers titled “The myth about a lack of workforce” (loosely translated) and yet older people in their comfy last years at Mercedes Benz or whatever tell me the world is my oyster.
Fuck you, too.
Even my lawyer tells me to step up my game because of “all the refugees” and shit. As if anybody of those fuckers could seriously get hired instead of me. No of course not. Even if they were all doctors and astrophysicists.
It’s just that I have to be willing to work for less than before. Because even though no one would hire a Pakistani before a German for the same price, they sure would hire a Pakistani if he’s 40% cheaper.
Now a progressive might say: “Well, that’s basic market equilibrium. Your white cis privilege has just ended”.
Companies will wake up very much in the same way as SJWs might in the coming years. Because their respective holy grails of equality (SJWs) and profit (companies) will turn out to be golden cups holding nothing you can drink.
In a world without morality, money is worth nothing.
But oh well, there I go with my predictions.
Keep the discussions going RVF.
Time will tell.