English Translation of Victor Orban's Speech at the Budapest Demographic Forum

Note: I highlighted the parts, which I think are most important. However, I recommend everyone to read the speech.

Quote:Good afternoon, Ladies and Gentlemen,

There are some rules which have some relevance here in Hungary; when the Prime Minister is here in Hungary, he must use his own native language. So, if you will allow me, I shall continue by speaking in Hungarian this afternoon.

Your Eminences, Honourable Ministers, Dear Guests, Ladies and Gentlemen,

Before I share with you the thoughts which I have gathered together for today, allow me to make a comment regarding the phrase displayed behind me. This is in particular for our foreign guests, because Hungarians know only too well that the term “family-friendly country” denotes a goal. We would like Hungary to claim to be a family-friendly country, but this is not yet the case. This is the goal we have set for ourselves; we still have much to do, however, before people who decide to have children and who envisage their lives within a family can feel that not only are they doing everything they can for their country, but that for its part their country is also doing everything it can for them. So, with due humility, accepting the message of this phrase, we should see it as a goal rather than a result which has been achieved.

Allow me to welcome all the attendees of the Budapest Demographic Forum.

Before continuing, I would like to clarify why I think it is important that we have succeeded in holding this conference. I feel that we have to seize every opportunity to finally talk about demographics openly, free from political taboos, and, if possible, among the widest possible circles.

Dear Guests,

The situation is that in Europe today it is not PC to talk about demographic issues. I am personally faced almost daily with the fact that there are certain topics which nowadays are not considered suitable subjects for discussion in the European public sphere. There are words which simply cannot be uttered – not for aesthetic reasons, but for political reasons. We have here before us a recent example: the leader of one of Europe’s most successful countries since World War Two, the leader of a democratic country, made a statement to the effect that his country is not building a fence, but a gate with very long fixed side sections. At first sight, this might appear to be some sort of witticism, but I am asking you to see the pathetic side of the situation. What have we come to? The Europe of which we were once proud – because this was the world of freedom of thought, freedom of speech and freedom of opinion – is today in such an intellectual state, has manoeuvred itself into such a spiritual state, that certain words, questions and political concepts cannot even be uttered. The word “fence” is not a swear word. Obviously, the person who avoided using it thought that saying this word in Europe today might have such serious implications, such serious political consequences, that he simply could not afford to do it. Vladimir Bukovsky – who is highly respected here, in Hungary, as a former Soviet dissident – once said that “The rules of the game which the defenders of political correctness introduced have in fact deprived them of dialogue”.

Dear Guests,

I sometimes feel as if the same thing has happened to demographics and family policy. Neither the topic, nor the use of the words is PC, and in order to prevent potential attacks a truly European politician would weed them out of their message, making sure that they are not even uttered, as it could be embarrassing, would call for explanation, and would result in negative media reports the next day. However, Europe’s demographic situation could be a serious topic. You are no doubt aware that I belong to the sphere of people’s parties: the community of parties with Christian democratic inclinations which are located on the centre-right of the political map. When we create and adopt documents relating to the future, we continually fail to agree that the term “family” should even feature in those documents. When we suggest incorporation of the word, there are some who oppose it, saying that even if we use the word, we can only use it in the plural, leaving open what the concept of family actually means, and what a European family comprises. This is where we stand today, Ladies and Gentlemen.

The figures show that Europe is ageing. The figures show that Europe’s population will decline. In 2013 the number of deaths exceeded the number of births in one half of the 28 Member States of the European Union, and in some European countries a depressingly high percentage of young people cannot even find jobs. In addition, Europe’s demographic weight in the world will continue to decrease. In 1960 Europe’s population accounted for 13.4 per cent of the world’s population; in 2013 that figure is only 7.1 per cent, if we look at the 28 Member States of the European Union. This means that Europe is the continent and civilisation which is struggling with the gravest demographic problem and is the most rapidly ageing continent. But if the situation is this serious, why is this topic so under-represented in politics and in European discourse in general? Who will live here in Europe? This is the key question here. We should talk about this seriously, and yet much more time, attention, energy and money are being devoted to other things and to debates which have much less to do with reality: gender debates, same-sex marriage, and we could certainly mention quite a few others. These are all important things which may be dear to our hearts, but they are nonetheless only secondary. They will not shift Europe out of the economic and social quagmire which it is stuck in. It seems that today there is antipathy towards those who are willing to point out that the emperor has no clothes, those who warn, based on factual evidence, that there will be big problems if politics abandons the basic unit of European culture: the family.

Meanwhile let me extend a warm welcome to young demographers. Four years ago I had the opportunity to tell an informal meeting of ministers responsible for demography and family policy that there is a political accusation being levelled ever more frequently in Europe. Effectively this accusation is that if a government supports families, it sends the message that it sees other ways of life as inferior, and it is thus not inclusive. This is obviously silly, but even so it is difficult to defend ourselves against accusations of this type. Therefore, the current Hungarian government – as you may have seen – is directing a great deal of energy towards making it clear that supporting families and recognising freedom are not mutually exclusive. Setting one against the other is just a devious trick, which must be exposed so that we can stand up for the family and for our own values sincerely and with a clear conscience

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Luckily, in this respect Hungary is not in a poor state, and never has been. In Hungary the majority believe that in the modern age a child is both a blessing and a reward in the life of a family and in the life of society alike. Everyone in Hungary – all right, maybe not everyone, but most people – are capable of doing more for their children than for themselves. We Hungarians believe that children magnify the strength of their parents, they magnify the strength of the family, and a generation of children magnify the strength of a nation, of a whole country, and finally our entire civilisation. Children magnify our capacity, and enable us to achieve more; this is the view we take. So children are a motivating force: a positive motivating force in the life of society, like no other we know of. After all, when we are old, they will look after us, they will attend to our needs, they will be the guarantee for renewal of our communities, and they will take forward the heritage which is everything which has made our lives meaningful. Without children, there is no continuation, and there is no security for the elderly.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Your Eminences,

It is not the topic of this meeting in the strictest sense, but we all know that if there are insufficient numbers of children, the issue of immigration will emerge – at least until mass cloning becomes widespread in European civilisation, which is something that we hope the Almighty will spare us from. In terms of the peaceful functioning of societies, it is important that our communities should be capable of regeneration. It is important that communities should remain viable, and should be able to sustain themselves without resorting to external resources. I am convinced that Europe cannot build its future on immigration, rather than families. I would like to warn you, however, that there are already European documents in existence which seek the solution in that area.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Those who expect help from elsewhere will sooner or later have to pay the price for it. This is an iron law, there is no alternative to it – even though there are some in Brussels who think that the immigrants flooding into Europe should be seen as a blessing, because with them we shall be able to resolve our economic and demographic problems overnight. Many of us – perhaps all of us – know that this is not true at all. And we also know that this way of thinking is extremely dangerous. It is dangerous because it upsets the balance of the continent. It implants among us a culture and an outlook on life with a mentality and customs which are completely different from ours. This culture has a different approach to work, has different ideas about human relations and, last but not least, holds different views on the foundations of our social system: the family.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I sincerely hope that we who have gathered here today want a Europe which is based on families rather than on immigration. We want the European Union to abandon the mentality which keeps our hands tied, and to return to the values and the politics which once made it so spectacularly successful. We want families to take centre stage in European politics once again.

Dear Guests,

There are times when demographers must have their voices heard. We are now living in such times. The survival of our civilisation and culture is at stake. In the history of the world, not a single culture which was unable to populate the land in which it lived was able to survive; writers from antiquity extensively documented this phenomenon. I wish you success in your efforts to prove to everyone that the family and children are indeed a blessing – not only for the family itself, but for the nation and the entire European civilisation.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I sincerely hope that, with your dedication and support, more and more European leaders will have the courage to endorse the need for family-friendly European policy. Thank you for your attention. I wish you all a successful conference.

N°6 Wrote:
"The right to bear arms is relevant but you are right that Americans don't need to remind Europeans about it. However a lot of modern rifle-bearing in the US is symbolic. An armed citizen is barely more defended than an unarmed one against one of Obama's predator drones being controlled by a nerd in the comfort of his air-conditioned Las Vegas 'war room'."

As one who served it is inconceiveable that an all volunteer US Military of patriotic Americans would ever acquiesce to attack US Citizens on US soil - first is the Posse Comitatas act:

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878 by President Rutherford B. Hayes. The purpose of the act – in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807 – is to limit the powers of the federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States. It was passed as an amendment to an army appropriation bill following the end of Reconstruction, and was subsequently updated in 1956 and 1981.

The Act only specifically applies to the United States Army and, as amended in 1956, the United States Air Force. While the Act does not explicitly mention the United States Navy and the United States Marine Corps, due to them being naval services, the Department of the Navy has prescribed regulations that are generally construed to give the Act force with respect to those services as well. The Act does not apply to the Army and Air National Guard under state authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within its home state or in an adjacent state if invited by that state's governor. The United States Coast Guard, which operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act either, primarily because although the Coast Guard is an armed service, it also has both a maritime law enforcement mission and a federal regulatory agency mission.

Basically US Military units can only be deployed to assist police (Hurricane Katrina etc) to enforce martial law under a state's governor emergency powers.

Second and more importantly major US Military Units have protocols in place that should a commanding officer try to go rogue they would immediately be arrested by specially trained personnel and control of the unit returned to the proper chain of command.

Unfortunately the EU when formed did not envision betrayal by its major states and EU politicians resulting in a multi million man invasion by hostile radical islamists and criminals of military age.

This is why the USA has never been a banana republic - checks and balances and a citizen soldier/sailor military loyal to the US Constitution and not any one person, royal or party.

Any CiC who ordered attacks on American people in any US state not in active insurrection or illegal secession would be impeached, arrested and likely executed for war crimes. However a legal secession under the constitution is another matter entirely.

(11-11-2015 01:13 AM)N°6 Wrote:  Just found this on Red Ice. Surely not!

Quote:Swedes could become a minority among 16 year-old boys as early as 2016

Doing some simple maths shows us that if nothing is done, Swedes will be a minority among the 16 year-old boys demographic in 2016.



Currently, 30% of this group are non-Swedish.

There is a daily intake of 309 “unaccompanied children” and 91% are boys. 32% (or 90) of those 281 boys a-day are 16 years old.

If it continues for a year, that’s 33,000 16 year-old illegal immigrants – 38% of this group, currently.

38% + 30% = 68%. So that’s 3 out of 5 16-year-old boys who could be non-Swedish by the end of 2016.

http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=34705

New image of France,Germany,UK,Sweden.

Bravo, Viktor Orban! Bravo!

(11-10-2015 10:24 PM)dreambig Wrote:  Could Americans on this thread kindly refrain from bringing your gun agenda into every argument? It's not very relevant and it's getting old. If the time comes, Europeans will find a way to defend ourselves. We are still a long way from that.

What's more, the British army will not betray its own natives. If you had ever met British servicemen then you would know this. You severely underestimate us if you think we are going to let some 3rd world savages defeat us in warfare. If push comes to shove, the Muslims will be wiped out in a matter of months.

Samseau, you are completely out of touch with the reality on the ground in Europe.

This.

(11-11-2015 12:46 AM)fareast Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 11:24 PM)Going strong Wrote:  I do not believe official statistics, I believe my eyes. I went to London, full of "ethnic" policemen and policewomen...

If you're not willing to believe the statistics, why should anyone take your opinion seriously? You're like a conspiracy theorist that shoots down any evidence that conflicts with your view, all without presenting any real evidence of your own.

I have posted on this very thread solid, admissible proof of how France, for example, is being invaded and "ethnicized" (africanized, I'd say).

Look at the map I posted on the drepanocitosis statistics in France : 40% of new-born babies having one or two African parents... Surely, UK is just as much diversified, if not more, by all accounts...

Also, you obviously do not know the logics, the basics of statistics and polling.

If I go 5 days to London and walk almost everywhere and look around me at people, then I will have a very good, very precise idea of the ethnic make-up of the city. It is called, accurate sampling (of London, granted).

That is why I do not need or trust official statistics... I just need to walk in cities and open my eyes... by walking in all areas, I avoid sampling bias : for your information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_bias

Now, if you contest the fact that 30 or 40% of children in France-UK are of foreign (mostly African) origin, then, man, you obviously do not live in Western Europe. All of us know this fact, by just looking around us, even though people are sad and afraid to talk about it...

Anyway, point is, you don't need (doctored) official statistics, your eyes and mind are what you need to understand the reality.

French government closing a military airbase, in order to house 200 "Sudanese refugees" in it, in the middle of provincial France:

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/...allier.php

Local French people say: "those refugees are only men, we don't see women or children among them.... the French State gives them more money than to our old French, retired people..."

So symbolic: our military bases turned into centers for African invaders!

And by the way, MSM painted the refugees as "Syrian families with small children"... but in all the "refugees centers" urgently opened across France, we see only men, and only Black men... where are the Syrian families?

Viktor Orban's speech is truly a breath of fresh air in the thick smoggy climate of European politics.

Western Europe needs to stop cucking itself, I don't think I'm even in a position to say I would be willing to fight for it anymore. Eastern Europe looks way more likely to bounce back from this than the West, I'm sure if enough people pack up their bags and leave it will put more pressure on the traitorous politicians to deal with the mess they have created.

Not to mention think about how difficult it would be to actually fight IS-IS while they have already invaded the cities they want to occupy? Hostage situations left right and centre, civilians will be caught in the cross fire easily. For my safety I know what I must do.

(11-11-2015 12:01 AM)TonySandos Wrote:  I usually find your posts incredibly informative, but this is undoubtedly off and I have first hand knowledge to prove it.


Bottom line;

The conspiracy theorists are right about foreign armies guided by the UN being the real threat on American soil.

Guns are as relevant as ever.

Wait, there's going to be a United Nations army that will invade the USA?

I mean, you're serious? It seems incredibly far-fetched to me, but I love the idea for a movie script.

http://www.thelocal.de/20151110/germany-...or-syrians

Quote:Germany sends Syrians back to EU borders

This headline is misleading however...

Quote:Germany is once again sending Syrian refugees back to the EU country where they first arrived, in line with the so-called Dublin regulations, the government confirmed on Tuesday.

Sounds good right?

Quote:In August it emerged that for Syrian refugees, Germany had stopped following the Dublin rules, which stipulate that refugees must apply for asylum in the EU state where they first enter the 28-member union.

The move was in part to alleviate the burden on countries like Italy and Greece where hundreds of thousands of migrants have been arriving by boat.

But a spokesman for the Interior Ministry confirmed on Tuesday that Germany is now applying the Dublin procedure for all countries of origin and all member states at which migrants arrive - except Greece. This has been the case "for Syrian nationals, since October 21st", he confirmed.

So in other words you're sending Syrians back to EU borders except for the ones that arrive in Greece - WHERE ALL OF THEM COME FROM.



Merkel has totally fucking gone bonkers. She needs to be removed by any means necessary. Where is the German army?

But, all is not lost.

Quote:At the beginning of October, Chancellor Angela Merkel called the Dublin rules "obsolete" as they put the burden on EU states where migrants first arrive to process claims for refugee status.

Still, of the refugees currently arriving in the country, few have actually been registered in another EU country before arriving in Germany.

The Federal Office for Migration and Refugees (BAMF) reported that in October 1,777 people were sent back to other EU countries due to the Dublin rules - 5.6 percent of all decisions on refugee status made that month.

Out of all asylum decisions made so far this year, just 8.5 percent - 17,410 - have been to send people back under the Dublin rules.

In October, 181,166 refugees arrived in Germany, of which 88,640 were Syrian.

Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière and his office have been pushing for tighter controls on refugees recently, causing serious fractures within Germany's coalition government.

De Maizière unexpectedly announced on Saturday that Syrians would no longer be awarded three years' residency in Germany and that they could no longer bring their families with them at a later point.

But it quickly became clear that his comments did not have the backing of more senior figures in the government, who said the asylum process for Syrian refugees would not be changed.

However the interior minister received backing from powerful figures in the conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU), putting pressure on Merkel to revise her policy towards Syrian refugees.

More bits an pieces pointing towards an overall picture of a major fracturing within Merkel's own governing party, to say nothing regarding elsewhere in Germany.

One small step forward.

Like I said, I do believe that the traitorous globalist cucks have overplayed their hand and are doomed. But how much damage will they do before their fall - and how will they fall?

This is a recent article on the possible future of gaming in Europe...

Nightclub in Germany is banning refugee's for harassing women (calling 'whores', following them to the toilet, and offering money for sex).

Club under flak because racist to point out the obvious:

http://www.thelocal.de/20151111/club-ban...from-women

Germany reckons it can send back the hundreds of thousands ot its poor neighbours after saying all of them could come? I cannot wait until said countries stop that in its tracks and then Germany threatens economic penalties.

The pro-gun argument is rearing its stupid head in a thread which it has no right to be. We have just as many guns in Europe as the USA, they're just not in our hands, yet.

And to be honest I'd rather not have Joe fucking America planting every piece of armoured metal and gun on European soil because of this or Ivan. If we're to sort this mess out it has to be the Europeans and not some pacific alliance which previously carved up the world into its current shit storm map of today.

Americans would never ask for European help for taking on Mexico & South America due to our history.

If Europe is to fight this mess we need to do it by ourselves and if we don't then the European continent deserves to be extinguished like every other empire before it. In fact I believe the American SJW craze has weakened Europes resolve so we could do with less of that over here as well.

(11-11-2015 12:11 PM)memcpy Wrote:  This is a recent article on the possible future of gaming in Europe...

Nightclub in Germany is banning refugee's for harassing women (calling 'whores', following them to the toilet, and offering money for sex).

Club under flak because racist to point out the obvious:

http://www.thelocal.de/20151111/club-ban...from-women

Waiting for feminists to comment on this rape culture.

(11-11-2015 07:56 AM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 10:24 PM)dreambig Wrote:  Could Americans on this thread kindly refrain from bringing your gun agenda into every argument? It's not very relevant and it's getting old. If the time comes, Europeans will find a way to defend ourselves. We are still a long way from that.

What's more, the British army will not betray its own natives. If you had ever met British servicemen then you would know this. You severely underestimate us if you think we are going to let some 3rd world savages defeat us in warfare. If push comes to shove, the Muslims will be wiped out in a matter of months.

Samseau, you are completely out of touch with the reality on the ground in Europe.

This.

Prediction time: The people who are criticizing me the loudest will be amongst the most violent and active in the war once the real hostilities break out between the left and their mongrel horde and the natives of Western Europe.

The ones with the loudest cries of denial are usually the ones with the most to lose.

This isn't uncommon. Any student of history knows that right before the eve of great slaughter barely anyone is perceptive enough to see it coming.

(11-11-2015 10:55 AM)Going strong Wrote:  French government closing a military airbase, in order to house 200 "Sudanese refugees" in it, in the middle of provincial France:

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/...allier.php

Local French people say: "those refugees are only men, we don't see women or children among them.... the French State gives them more money than to our old French, retired people..."

So symbolic: our military bases turned into centers for African invaders!

And by the way, MSM painted the refugees as "Syrian families with small children"... but in all the "refugees centers" urgently opened across France, we see only men, and only Black men... where are the Syrian families?

Again, no coincidence military bases are being used to house the invaders. They are logistically perfect for waging war.

I find it amazing people are calling me crazy when millions of Muslims are being stationed in military bases throughout Western Europe. You guys seriously don't see any problems with that? I guess that is the level of delusion necessary to make the coming genocide possible in the first place.

(11-11-2015 12:14 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Germany reckons it can send back the hundreds of thousands ot its poor neighbours after saying all of them could come? I cannot wait until said countries stop that in its tracks and then Germany threatens economic penalties.

The pro-gun argument is rearing its stupid head in a thread which it has no right to be. We have just as many guns in Europe as the USA, they're just not in our hands, yet.

And they never will be. The "refugees" will be more than happy to culturally enrich you with their guns, however.

Enjoy the no-gun policy while you can. Your countries are about to be naturally-selected from history.

I hate it when Europeans complain about American gun laws or Americans mentioning the importance of their gun laws. This topic belongs very much in this thread. You think if we were armed like in the US, the elite would dare push this shit on us like that? You think people would be in such danger like we are now? "We have just as many guns in Europe, they just aren't in our hands yet" - You think, when everything starts going south, the people who are responsible for this (who are the same people who control the arms) are going to just say "alright, we fucked up - here, take these guns and defend yourselves"?? The invasion wouldn't be such a big issue if the Europeans were at least 65% rational people. But when even on this forum I have to read complaints like these WHILE we're being invaded AND the government has already proven to be against its citizens, then all hope is lost. I can only imagine how far gone the average Shmoe is then.

I'm European btw.

@Samseau You literally said 'This is WW3. Everyone will get involved. China, USA, Russia, etc.' and 'Death toll in tens of mllions 5 years from now'. I actually live here and I just can't take that seriously. I'm always open to new ideas though and I'm willing to change my opinions, but I just don't see a full blown civil war happening in the next 5 years. I think (and fear) it will be less dramatic: a slow decay.

I'm not European but this whole shit pisses me off more than it should.

My parents are Ethiopian Doctors who studied in East Germany in the 80's through some communist country student exchange program. After graduating they moved to a small West German University town where i was born and spent the first 7 years of my life before our family moved back to Ethiopia.

My sister currently studies in the same college town. I visited her a year ago before this whole fiasco even started and the changes were shocking. This same town i used to safely ride bikes in when i was 6 with my school friends at 7 in the evening, is now infested with gangs of West African & Middle Eastern thug wannabes.

At my elementary school, in 1996 there were like 8 foreigners. Me, couple Turkish kids and 2 Russian girls. I went to the same school and it has deteriorated in quality almost looking like an inner city American school. At least a third of the kids on the playground were foreigners.

My dad wanted to get a visa to Germany couple months ago to go see my sister and you know what the German Embassy did? They refused him a visa! They're reason was ... "we don't know if you're gonna come back or stay". A German educated surgeon who refused to apply for German citizenship even though he was given the option to! Yet they're letting in a million good for nothing economic opportunists.

I hate to come off as bitter but women are not to be trusted!

My sister ... my own flesh and blood: bought $400 worth of cloth and canned food back in July for refugees with money I sent her so she can go visit Greece! The money i made busting my ass in God forsaken North Dakota! I scolded her on the phone and demanded my money back. She starts crying. Her herby beta German boyfriend who looks like a classic cuck wires me the money a week later.

My mother is a selfish imbecile despite being "educated". Like all women, anything that doesn't affect her directly she has 0 interest in. Me and my Dad were talking on Skype Video call about Somalian immigrants flooding Ethiopia en masse to make it to Europe. In the mean time our government has to provide for them. She kept interrupting us trying to show me the new ribbon she put on her new puppy, feeding him biscuits and shit! When my Dad tried to shoo her off she calls us "Buzzkills" and "Stuck up" for talking about issues that actually affect our poor country.

Same reason why whenever there is a "Refugees Welcome" rally somewhere in Europe it's 80-90% women. Whenever it is an anti-refugee demonstration it is over 90% men. Women understand two things: Status and Power. It's "in" to be a liberal degenerate nowadays aka status. But when shit hits the fan and the first shot gets fired, pro-refugee Heike or Katrin will hide in their basements and safely wait for the winner to bust the door in and fuck 'em silly(Power). But will the winner be Sebastian or Ahmed? Be a winner because bitches don't care either way!

I'll limit my presence on this thread to once a week.

Anything more will kill my vibe.

As Libertas said earlier, Germany reenacted the Dublin aggrement.

Here's Hungary's response:

Hungary Against Taking Even a "Single Syrian" from Germany

Quote:Germany shouldn’t send back refugees to the their first point-of-entry in the European Union based on the bloc’s Dublin accord, Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said, according to an interview with MTI news service.

“The Dublin system is dead since apart from a few exceptions, countries aren’t abiding by its terms,” Szijjarto said on Wednesday, according to MTI. “Not a single Syrian” should be returned from western Europe to Hungary, he said.

Hungary has built a razor-wire fence along its southern border to keep refugees out and has been the staunchest critic of German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s open-door policy to welcome an estimated million migrants this year, mostly refugees from Syria.

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On a related note, EU could break up 'within months,' says Asselborn

Quote:Luxembourg’s foreign minister has warned that the migration crisis and introduction of border controls between countries could lead to the collapse of the EU.

“The European Union can break apart. This can go incredibly fast, when isolation instead of solidarity becomes the rule internally and externally … We may have only a couple of months,” Jean Asselborn told the DPA news agency. Luxembourg holds the rotating presidency of the European Council.

He said the Schengen area of passport-free travel was under threat from the rise of national “solutions” to the migration crisis, and slammed far-right politicians who seek to make gains out of the crisis. “This false nationalism can lead to a real war,” Asselborn said.

EU officials have spent the past several weeks putting pressure on member countries to deliver on promises made to address the migration crisis, but “the risk [of Schengen coming to an end] is clearly there,” said Asselborn.

“If we do not find a European solution for the migration crisis, if more and more countries believe that they can approach the issue only nationally, then Schengen’s dead.”

Asselborn said that if Schengen falls, the “greatest achievement of the European Union also falls.” The introduction of border controls would affect “everything: workers, the economy, tourism.”

Good, I hope the EU falls soon.

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Meanwhile, Slovenia decides to build fence on border with Croatia

Quote:Its purpose will be "to direct refugees toward the crossing points."

Cerar said on Tuesday the Slovenian government will in the coming days "introduce technical measures of protection" of the Schengen border, i.e., the border with Croatia.

According to him, the border between the two countries will not be closed.

The Slovenian government justified the decision by announcing that increased numbers of refugees and migrants are expected on the so-called Balkan route moving via Greece, along with the possibility that Germany and Austria "may reduce their intake."

According a statement, with this and the coming winter and Slovenia's limited capacities to provide adequate shelter in mind, the government prepared "additional urgent measures to control migration influx."

Unfortunately, it seems that Slovenia are still cucks. However, they are least heading in the right direction.

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On the other hand, the Serbian government is run by full on cucks.

Serbia won't build border walls, offcial reiterates

Quote:She [Serbian National Assembly President Maja Gojkovic] reiterated that Serbia "will not raise (border) walls."

"It is out of the question for Serbia to be raising walls and wire, as this would not lead to a solution," Gojkovic said during at a joint press conference with Slovenian counterpart Milan Brglez.

Her comments came a day after Slovenia announced it was building a fence along its border with Croatia.

According to Gojkovic, 370,000 migrant have passed through Serbia so far, and "an even bigger wave is expected." It is understandable, she continued, that every country faced with the migrant problem is looking for ways to protect its interests - but she "expects from the EU that we together find a common solution."

"Separate solutions will not solve the causes of this crisis," said Gojkovic.

She added that Serbia pays "all the costs, 90 percent" related to the migrant crisis from its state budget.

Asked whether the country would opt to build border walls, Gojkovic said that would "not solve anything, because people from the Middle East would certainly be looking for a way to reach Western Europe."

"For now is not a problem for us to, as a transit country, provide for these people," said the Serbian parliament speaker.

Turning to the issue of EU integrations, Gojkovic said that Serbia was "extremely satisfied" with the EC progress report, which was published yesterday.

She "stressed that Europe is whole only if includes all countries on the continent" - as that is "the only way it will be able to provide the right answers to the challenges it faces."

I hope everyone saw the logical contradiction in the above article. For those who missed it, look at the following two statements:

• She "expects from the EU that we together find a common solution."
• "For now is not a problem for us to, as a transit country, provide for these people," said the Serbian parliament speaker.
  

How can you reach a common solution if the migrant invasion affects countries differently?

Anyhow, the only "common solution" for Europe is to protect all its borders. However, that goes against the liberal argument of everyone being equal, which is a lie. As I said before on this thread, liberalism has to be destroyed if Europe wants to save itself from extinction.

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Good news from Poland:

EU flag burned as tens of thousands join Warsaw nationalist demo

Quote:Tens of thousands of protesters poured into Warsaw's streets on Wednesday for a demonstration organised by the far right, marching under the slogan "Poland for the Polish" and burning an EU flag.

Police said 25,000 people joined the march, which marked the anniversary of Poland's return to independence after the Second World War, while organisers put the numbers at 50,000.

"God, honour, homeland," chanted the protesters as they marched under a sea of red-and-white Polish flags.

Demonstrators trampled and burned a European Union flag at one point, while a banner added to the anti-EU theme with the slogan "EU macht frei" ("Work makes you free" in German), a reference to the slogan over the gates at Auschwitz.

"Yesterday it was Moscow, today it's Brussels which takes away our freedom," chanted one group of protesters.

Other banners read "Great Catholic Poland" and "Stop Islamisation".

Several thousand riot police officers were deployed for the protest, which was punctuated by numerous firecrackers and smoke bombs but otherwise went off peacefully.

"I came here because I love Poland and want to show it," said 27-year-old Piotr, who came with his fiancee. He added: "I came here for my grandfather, who fought in the Warsaw Uprising (against the Nazi occupation of the Polish capital), and for his father, who fought for independence".

Poland is returning to conservative rule after eight years of centrist government, following the Law and Justice (PiS) party's landslide election victory last month on a platform playing strongly on fears over the European migrant crisis.

If the EU would collapse, then THAT would be the greatest achievement of the EU thus far. However, I’m afraid they’re just saying that to invoke fear in the brainwashed commies. As much as I hope for it, I don’t believe the EU will dissolve anytime soon. The elite won’t allow it. It too powerful a tool for them to control all member states. It would take at least one first country to leave for others to follow. But the US already told the UK if they were to leave the EU (they’re about to have a referendum on that), they wouldn’t trade with them anymore (I’m paraphrasing). I haven’t heard that Law & Justice in Poland is trying to get their country out and if not even based Orban (PBUH), who understands very well what’s happening, doesn’t put effort into leaving this shitshow, then I don’t see how an end of the EU would come about. Building fences at the borders has no influence whatsoever on economical contracts. The guy who said that was talking out of his arsehole. But if I happen to be incorrect, then INSHALLAH, let it collapse!

No, they said that they would "consider" not negotiating a separate "free" trade agreement.

The EU is going to collapse sooner or later. This cannot be sustained.

They can keep trying to go on, which will inevitably lead to nationalist parties taking power. Checkmate. As I said, they have overreached.

Either that, or Sharia will come and the EU will go away anyway.

The hilarious thing is that this was entirely preventable. If they had implemented Austrailia's policy in 2013 when they saw that "migration" was upticking they could have prevented this entire thing. Instead they flaunted their specialness and respect for feeeelings and how good they were. Reality came and bit them in the ass. It's too late.

Maybe they will get desperate and start to be far more aggressive on deportations and preventing entry, but it will be seen by many as a desperate move to save their own skins.

It's over. The EU is dead. Don't celebrate yet though, because a lot of damage can be done in the meantime, and I have no doubt that these globalist sociopaths will try to take the biggest parting shot they can.

(11-11-2015 02:48 PM)quino_16 Wrote:  Good news from Poland:

EU flag burned as tens of thousands join Warsaw nationalist demo

I sincerely don't know what would happen if I turned up at one of these rallies with a Spanish flag. Would I be greeted as a fellow European nationalist? Or, would some guy beat me up not realising I'm on his side?

(11-11-2015 02:29 PM)Requiem Wrote:  I hate it when Europeans complain about American gun laws or Americans mentioning the importance of their gun laws. This topic belongs very much in this thread.

Just as feminists see rape in everything, gun fanatics see gun control as the root of all problems everywhere.

Don't be narrative bots guys.

http://www.rooshv.com/narrative-warfare

I'm not even anti-gun or anything (hell I was shooting a few rounds with some RVFers only a few months ago!), but the constant mention of guns is getting slightly patronising to be honest.

Again, it's not even close to being the deciding factor in this crisis. This topic isn't even a discussion point in Europe and never has been in my living memory.

(11-11-2015 12:18 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 12:11 PM)memcpy Wrote:  This is a recent article on the possible future of gaming in Europe...

Nightclub in Germany is banning refugee's for harassing women (calling 'whores', following them to the toilet, and offering money for sex).

Club under flak because racist to point out the obvious:

http://www.thelocal.de/20151111/club-ban...from-women

Waiting for feminists to comment on this rape culture.

According to german articles about this incident:

Quote:Leonhardi on Amortplatz: The doorman refused a group of four, five asylum seekers into the inlet "Brucklyn". Two German regulars get with this, stand up for the refugees. The debate is so heated that turns on the operator. "Nazi pigs" insulted a German guest the Brucklyn staff. The situation can only be solved by the input is opened, the bouncer is withdrawn.

Jesus, what kind of a guy would allow a bunch of male "refugees" getting near scarce pussy in a night club for heavens sake? That just doesn't make sense to me.

I can't repeat this often enough: if this whole invasion will ever be successful it'll be the main fault of collaborators like these and there are still too many.

Regarding a trade agreement with the UK... who seriously thinks the US wouldn't negotiate one? The UK is one of our closest allies. The US may discourage a Brexit, but they'll change their tune if it happens.

BREAKING and relevant.

Sweden introduces border control towards Denmark and Germany.

http://www.njherald.com/story/30488374/t...egal-stays

This happened much much sooner than I could have ever expected.

One thing is sure. If the goddamn Swedes are starting to control their borders, then the situation must be out of hand. Maybe more out of hand than we can see.

No wonder their King Carl Gustaf announced earlier today that refugees can use his facilities and buildings.
Well played, Ers Majestät! Just in time..
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EDIT.
I think that many Finns are going to bed right now with a smile of satisfaction.
Our politicians might even celebrate silently with a toast.