(11-09-2015 12:17 AM)N°6 Wrote:Quote:‘RICHARD WAGNER SQUARE’ TO BE RENAMED ‘REFUGEES WELCOME SQUARE’ IN SNUB TO GERMAN PATRIOTS
A square in the Leipzig old town named for 19th-century German romantic composer Richard Wagner may be renamed to help promote a “cosmopolitan and tolerant” city.
Initially suggested by a group of hard-left anti-borders activists masquerading as a “citizens’ initiative”, the name change of Richard Wagner Platzes to ‘Refugees Welcome Platz’ has now been taken up by the city council with support from the Green party bloc.
City spokesman, pro-migrant campaigner, and Green politician Christin Melcher said of the change she is supporting: “We stand for a cosmopolitan and tolerant Leipzig. The renaming of a central square as Refugees Welcome Place is also a symbol of a new culture of welcome in Leipzig”, reports the Saschen Depesche.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/...-patriots/

(11-09-2015 12:33 AM)Eskhander Wrote: Wow. Just... wow. When even fucking reddit can't stop it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/com...y_as_ikea/
Whole comment section deleted, save for one comment bitching about "racists" with a net 1300 DOWNvotes.
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(11-09-2015 04:33 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:(11-09-2015 12:03 AM)Eskhander Wrote: It's sort of interesting to hear people blame Europeans themselves for this. It's not exactly wrong since they have brought this on themselves, but at the same time... Sweden was once the absolute best place to live in the world because of this trusting nature.
So it's rich for some to so dismissively view it as a weakness when they enjoy a life only possible because of these qualities.
Sweden's prosperity had nothing to do with altruism and trust toward outsiders. There is no contradiction between altruism for your own group combined with a healthy distrust and hostility towards outsiders. If anything, a high degree of altruism and success among one group should generate a high degree of hostility toward out groups. I know for damn sure that if I had a loving family and a $1m house, I'd not hesitate to gun down 1000 invading zombies to protect that harmonious arrangement.
If I was living in a burned down building with a bunch of hostile bums instead? I would not feel nearly so much compulsion to do anything to protect that kind of situation. I'd just up and go elsewhere. Same with nations.
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(11-09-2015 01:01 PM)Veloce Wrote:(11-09-2015 12:17 AM)N°6 Wrote:Quote:‘RICHARD WAGNER SQUARE’ TO BE RENAMED ‘REFUGEES WELCOME SQUARE’ IN SNUB TO GERMAN PATRIOTS
A square in the Leipzig old town named for 19th-century German romantic composer Richard Wagner may be renamed to help promote a “cosmopolitan and tolerant” city.
Initially suggested by a group of hard-left anti-borders activists masquerading as a “citizens’ initiative”, the name change of Richard Wagner Platzes to ‘Refugees Welcome Platz’ has now been taken up by the city council with support from the Green party bloc.
City spokesman, pro-migrant campaigner, and Green politician Christin Melcher said of the change she is supporting: “We stand for a cosmopolitan and tolerant Leipzig. The renaming of a central square as Refugees Welcome Place is also a symbol of a new culture of welcome in Leipzig”, reports the Saschen Depesche.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/...-patriots/
Funny. Wagner was a notorious anti-Semite. I'd bet that some high ranking Jews have been wanting to change the name of that square for a long time and this crisis is giving them that opportunity.
Take 15 minutes today and appreciate his fierce brilliance:
Something a little more mainstream:
Take special note at how CLEARLY MULTICULTURAL that orchestra is.
Quote:Merkel’s popularity is at a new low — with a full third of Germans saying they’d like to see her resign. Even more astonishing: Within her own party, 14 percent say they feel the same way. In a party as traditionally respectful of hierarchy as the Christian Democrats, the rancor against Merkel is wholly unprecedented. High-profile MPs and CDU party leaders from the federal states are telling Merkel in no uncertain terms that they reject her open-arms policy. Germany, they say, is bursting at the seams and must close its border now.
Quote:At a regional conference of the CDU last week in Saxony, speakers excoriated the chancellor, calling for Merkel’s “dethronement.” They spoke of the “locks being wide open,” of Germany making a fool of itself in Europe, and warned that the foreigners would create dangerous, autonomous “parallel societies” in Germany. One speaker expressed angst for his children and grandchildren and begged: “Frau Chancellor, please close the borders!” An Oct. 14 open letter from 126 local CDU politicos across the country said that the current “open borders policy” was anchored neither in German nor European law and that most of the CDU’s members don’t support the government’s current policies.
Quote:Seehofer speaks for many critics in Merkel’s party, most of whom are praying that she will shift course before a full-scale rebellion breaks out. German media report that more than half of the 310 MPs in Merkel’s own party plan to submit a proposal to be put before the Bundestag to build a fence along the German borders like the one in southern Hungary. So adamantly has Merkel defended her policies that such a revolt — unheard of in the top-down CDU — would shake her chancellorship to its foundations.
(11-09-2015 01:32 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
Funny - I would like to see that Swedish guy go down to an especially diverse neighborhood and display his special gay-friendly Hijab out of #love, #respect and #freedom.
Sweden is fucked indeed. We all know that SJWs are mentally deranged, but this is a completely new level of mental schizophrenia.
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(11-09-2015 01:19 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote: @Handsome Creepy - the election results of Croatia do not surprise me.
There is no voting yourself out of this unless the population becomes well aware of all the main topics. That is not the case anywhere in the world. Iceland with it's 250.000 citizens has the best opportunity for real change to happen there, but even there I don't see the interest free money party making much progress.
Croatia will be fucked as the migrant flow might have a direct impact on tourism by next summer.
(11-09-2015 04:33 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:Actually it did. I don't even see how you can argue that Sweden being highly trusting was not part of its prosperity. The nordic nations are world renowned for being high trust.(11-09-2015 12:03 AM)Eskhander Wrote: It's sort of interesting to hear people blame Europeans themselves for this. It's not exactly wrong since they have brought this on themselves, but at the same time... Sweden was once the absolute best place to live in the world because of this trusting nature.
So it's rich for some to so dismissively view it as a weakness when they enjoy a life only possible because of these qualities.
Sweden's prosperity had nothing to do with altruism and trust toward outsiders. There is no contradiction between altruism for your own group combined with a healthy distrust and hostility towards outsiders. If anything, a high degree of altruism and success among one group should generate a high degree of hostility toward out groups. I know for damn sure that if I had a loving family and a $1m house, I'd not hesitate to gun down 1000 invading zombies to protect that harmonious arrangement.
If I was living in a burned down building with a bunch of hostile bums instead? I would not feel nearly so much compulsion to do anything to protect that kind of situation. I'd just up and go elsewhere. Same with nations.
Quote:Media and political elites continue to spin the catastrophic invasion of Europe as some “humanitarian” movement, summarily ignoring the grave consequences of the hijrah (immigration jihad).
Only a handful of news sites (like this one) are reporting on the true nature of invasion, getting the real news from the true victims — the besieged Europeans who, almost overnight, are forced to live in a war zone.
One of my German readers tells me, “I just hung up the phone after speaking to a friend in Germany — he lives in a small, very catholic town, Ellwangen, where I went to school for a few years, of about 12 000 people that had to accept 4 500 refugees at the fringes of town in former army barracks that had been vacant. The name of the barracks is Reinhardt Kaserne, I knew some of the ‘unpleasant’ things happening from reading online, talking to my mother, etc, but he is a ‘true local’ and from what he says, it must be much worse than any reports I read! He owns a small store in the center of town and ever since the arrival of the big masses this summer he has zero business because nobody wants to go to town anymore. What is far worse and underlines all that you have been writing about, the ‘refugees’ even go into churches to disrupt service. I had no idea! I have to say, this is a crime against the German people and culture committed by their own government…..”
Here is what is happening. Read the whole thing.
Ellwangen is a small town in the eastern part of Baden-Wuerttemberg. The center of the town counts about 12000; not considering neighboring villages. It has very strong Christian, catholic and protestant, roots, and, not surprisingly, … it was one of the centers of the infamous German witch trials. It was a small, sleeply town proud of it’s churches and aware of its Christian past like any small town in Germany’s south where people speak dialect and pretty much everybody knows everybody.
What’s been happening there, removed from the center of attention due to its geographical location, is that the former German army barracks that have been vacant and are located a little outside but in walking distance to center of town, has been occupied by refugees. When the big numbers started to stream into Germany this summer, the numbers in that LEA (Landeserstaufnahme – which means that’s the first landing for refugees where they will be registered and get shelter and live before they are distributed elsewhere) started to grow too. Originally, the intention and capacity was for 500 people. That number rose quickly to about 5000 plus/minus with serious mass brawls and conflicts police had to show up regularly to separate. There has been some resistance in the population, but the people standing up for themselves are called ‘nazis’. From the latest information that I read on the developments, people will be housed there permanently and the state government plans on spending 5.1 Million Euros to expand and renovate the place that is now supposed to accommodate about 3.500. It is hard to pinpoint any number; they seem to change or be different with every article I read.
What has been happening to the town itself is not difficult to image. The reports I read speak of Muslims in the small streets of the town; I read about serious theft problems in stores where ‘refugees’ walk in, take what they want or need, and walk out again without paying. In the beginning, grocery stores called the police, but stopped doing so after they were told to write up the losses and contact someone at the local municipality to reimburse them. (I had a verbal confirmation from a wife of a German police officer … )
People in Ellwangen don’t leave their houses anymore and stay home unless they need to go out. Women don’t want to go out anymore, and that is not only in the evenings. People feel they are strangers in their own home town and feel uncomfortable. A couple of weeks ago, it became public that a woman had been raped at night on her way home; the police had withheld the report but said it was not because the crime may have been committed by ‘asylum seekers’ but not to hinder the investigation and to protect the victim. Apparently the rapist spoke in a foreign language with another men who was present during the attach. A 10 year old girl had also been sexually harassed, but thankfully, she reported it to her parents before anything physical and more serious happened. I read that the perpetrator in that case was Afghan and lived in town.
A friend of mine owns a small store in the center of the town and, it not being a grocery store, his business has gone down to virtually zero, and if he didn’t have a second source of income, he would be in a serious financial trouble.
The most disturbing news he informed me about, however, was that the so called refugees go into churches to disrupt service. They would simply walk in and start to riot. ‘These people want to destroy us’, is what he said, literally. He is a very well educated business man; not someone inciting hatred against refugees. Most of the people living in that town and neighboring villages are honest, hard working people, trying to do good and be good, and now are forced to watch how their town and livelihoods are destroyed by the decision of the government to take in people that are violently opposed and opposite to the German and Christian culture. Most of these Germans have no interest in politics, and are law abiding citizens who are now faced with police cars driving any hour of the day due to incidents caused by ‘refugees’. I was told months ago that these refugees defecate in people’s gardens and that signs were written to explain not to do this in Germany and those refugees were asked to use toilets instead. Can you believe that? It blows my mind. …
I wasn’t surprised to read the mayor of the town has been threatened by some people from the local population, and has police protection; someone also put a dead cat on his doorstep. This is a rural area; that’s how it’s done there (one of the not so nice traditions). People are not as politically correct as in Berlin and have no interest in being it directly affected by the mess the Berlin government created in their lives. I am very worried about the situation in Germany. To the local government’s protection, I have to say that these poor mayors have pretty much no voice or say in the matter at this point, and there are mayors speaking up, … only to be called Nazi by the politically correct. It’s absurd.
In a separate report from yesterday, pepper spray is sold out across Germany. 5 weeks order backlog.
link here —
So it’s not only the Austrians thinking of self protection; there, shotguns have been virtually sold out because no license is needed to acquire these.
Actually, I have numbers from a few weeks ago from a facebook site protesting against the refugee center. It lists nationalities even though by now it will be outdated.
http://www.facebook.com/kein-asylheim-in...dt-kaserne
The folks behind that facebook site are considered to be nazis … I don’t know anymore who is a Nazi in Germany these days and who isn’t. I personally have always been on the left side of the political scale, but I am also not afraid of calling a spade a spade, and what’s happening is just wrong and a crime, and if I am called a Nazi for speaking up, so be it. I don’t care as I know it isn’t true. I am following my conscience, and it is a crime not to speak up imo, especially for us women.
Peace! :-)
(11-02-2015 05:38 PM)Libertas Wrote:(11-02-2015 03:19 PM)NewMeta Wrote: Moving to Poland
Honestly though like whats the point, I live in the UK right now and I unfortunately have to travel to major capitals in other parts of western europe for work occasionally. I see first hand what this cultural enrichment has brought us, and nothing is going to reverse it, even if the EU started slowly deporting these guys the number coming in will still be > the number going out.
Western Europe is forever tainted, the true solution is to move to Eastern Europe and defend from there. I had a conversation with my friend regarding the syrians in a whatsapp group recently, I linked some image of immigrants saying they would behead us if they had the chance or something this is the exact conversation (hes a born and bred brit btw):
Friend: You're literally a racist facebook page
Me: im racist whats new
Me: fuck the invaders
Friend: Ur an invader mate - (I'm from another EU country but born British)
Me: not from the middle east so im a peaceful invader
Friend: Ur outta control man, dunno how you think its acceptable to spout racist shit forwarding stupid images like that which is probably fake anyway - LOL
Me: im just concerned about the survival of european culture
Friend: One thing is joking about it but you're actually like hate mongering
Me: its ok when they do it to us though right? its not ok cause im white right?
Friend: Classic justification of a racist
Me: but you dont rebut it
Friend: Just pack it in i don't wanna read it from you
Me: ok
Friend: Its funny if you joke about it but i don't actually like reading about it, they are people still
Me: ok - (gave up obviously, I know its pointless to argue especially since he's not gonna back down with an audience, it's a whatsapp group afterall)
So there you go, me a EU migrant has more British pride than a born and bred brit, and this is who I'm defending? This is who I'm fighting for? If that's the kind of attitude the locals give me then Ill take my pride else where, maybe a place where they proudly make giant anti immigration banners at football matches.
Fuck him. This guy is not your friend.
A true friend will stick by you in the tough times. I talked about that on a podcast recently.
One of the major reasons why this PC cult has zombified so many isn't because its tenets are good or make sense, but because people are afraid of being socially ostracized. They don't want to upset their "friends" by saying politically incorrect things.
Well fuck that. It's too late for that now and the whole thing was based on a delusion. People that will abandon you because you have politically incorrect beliefs were never your real friends to begin with.
The adoption of this mentality would lessen the left's power by a lot. And it's the whole truth.
(11-03-2015 02:55 PM)Glaucon Wrote: German Youth Should be Forced to Perform Compulsory LaborThey are literally sanctifying their young to the invaders.
An MP for the CDU [Angela Merkel’s party], Eckhardt Rehberg, demands that german youths perform compulsory labor to master the rising numbers of asylum seekers. “We need compulsory service. We have no other way to be able to master the mass of refugees and their integration.”
http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/11/arbeit-macht-frei/
(11-04-2015 05:38 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:(11-03-2015 11:44 PM)Samseau Wrote: Lots of guys in here are in denial about how bad things are getting it seems. Civil War in Europe in 20 years? 5 years?
No, try next year or the year after that.
Here's how it will happen:
- Widespread home invasions, rapes, looting, and sackings of villages over winter
- Native Germans, Swedes, and French defend themselves with crude non-firearm weapons (bats, swords, etc.)
- Some Muslims get killed
- Traitorous governments then recruit "refugees" into the army to fight "right-wing reactionaries" against "xenophobic violence" and "racism"
- The new army then uses it's power to continue to rape and pillage anyone they feel like but will leave their leftist beneficiaries alone so they can keep getting money
- Regular people run into the countryside to hide, people living in the woods, or run away to Eastern Europe. Many will die defending themselves.
- Death toll in tens of millions 5 years from now.
- This is WW3. Everyone will get involved. China, USA, Russia, etc.
- Worldwide economic contraction is coming, it will be brutal.
The fact is, the majority of invaders are extremely malicious. They will not be happy sleeping in tents. They feel they deserve better and they already know the governments are on their side. The end result is they will act with total impunity. Rape and pillage. Rape and pillage. Get those words into your head. You'll be seeing a lot of it. We are all going to witness one of the greatest bloodbaths and tragedies in Western history. It will make WW2 Holocaust look like a picnic by comparison.
But in reality, Islam gives the left access to all the things they've always been going for as I've outlined in another thread:
Unbeknownst to me, the Left's first target wasn't America but Western Europe which is a far juicier and easier to conquer target than the guns and blood of America. However America is still occupied by Leftists who print money and use it to fund these immigration schemes into Europe. It remains to be seen if Trump can get elected and remove the left from the printing presses.
Ultimately, this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. There has been a major war involving a majority of the world's civilized population every century for all of recorded history. This is the defining war of the century and all politics will be defined around it.
If you are reading this right now, and you are in Western Europe, you have very little time to make any moves or prepare. Use it wisely.
Paranoid Asperger nonsense like this is why I can't take anything on this forum seriously anymore. I'm living in the city with the highest concentration of migrants in the country with the highest number of migrants, literally ground zero, and have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about. It's not living in denial, it's living in reality rather than behind a computer screen on the other half of the world. You're in Boston, right? Have you been to Europe in the last month? 6 months? Year?
Samseau, are you sick? I'm 100% serious in asking this. I don't know what planet you're living on. If this gets me banned for insulting you, so be it, but this migrant paranoia has turned a quality forum into an absolute circle jerk of doomsday fear-mongering. For fucks sake, get laid, go to church, go on vacation, do whatever you need to snap back into reality. If you want to chat just PM me. I hate seeing otherwise intelligent guys succumbing to fear, paranoia, and defeatism the way women do.
(11-07-2015 07:39 AM)RaccoonFace Wrote: Meanwhile in Sweden:"Buses without a destination"

(11-08-2015 05:42 AM)The Beast1 Wrote: I'm surprised there hasn't been any "godfather" style mafia appearing. If the police and headmaster won't do anything it's time for the people to take matters into their own hands.I predict some mob could find this opportunity good to gain control, give the godfather power over your town and he will make sure the invader are kept away.
Quote:“I didn’t say in the rest of your century,” said the Time Traveler, his torn voice almost a whisper now. “I’m talking about your next fifteen years. And I’ve barely begun.”
“You’re nuts,” I said. “You’re not from the future. You escaped from some asylum.”
The Time Traveler nodded. “That’s more true than you know,” he said. “I come from a place and time where your grandchildren and hundreds of millions of other dhimmi are compelled to write ‘pbuh’ after the Prophet’s name. They wear gold crosses and gold Stars of David sewn onto their clothing. The Nazis didn’t invent the wearing of the Star of David . . . the marking and setting apart of the Jews in society. Muslims did that centuries ago in they lands they conquered, European and otherwise. They will refine it and update it, not toward the more merciful, in the lands they occupy through the decades ahead of you.”
“You’re crazy,” I cried, standing. My hands were balled into fists. “Islam is a religion . . . a religion of peace . . . not our enemy. We can’t be at war with a religion. That’s obscene.”
“Have you read the Qur’an and learned your Sunnah?” asked the Time Traveler. “It would behoove you to do so. Dhimmi means ‘protection.’ And your children and grandchildren will be protected . . . like cattle.”
“To hell with you,” I said.
“Your dhimmi poll tax will be called jizya,” said the Time Traveler. His voice suddenly sounded very weary.“Your land tax for being an infidel, even for fellow People of the Book – Christians and Jews – will be called kharaz. Both of these taxes will be in addition to your mandatory alms – the zakat. The punishment for failure to pay, or for paying late, a punishment meted out by your local qadi, religious judge, is death by stoning or beheading.”
I folded my arms and looked away from the Time Traveler.
“Under sharia – which will be the universal law of Eurabia,” persisted the Time Traveler, “the value of a dhimmi’s life, the value of your grandchildren, is one half the value of a Muslim’s life. Jews and Christians are worth one-third of a Muslim. Indian Parsees are worth one-fifteenth. In a court of the Eurabian Caliphate or the Global Khalifate, if a Muslim murders a dhimmi, any infidel, he must pay a blood money fine not to exceed one thousand euros. No Muslim will ever be jailed or sentenced to death for the murder of any dhimmi or any number of dhimmis. If the murders were done under the auspices of Universal Compulsive Jihad, which will be sanctioned by sharia as of 2019 Common Era, all blood money fines are waived.”
“Go away,” I said. “Go back to wherever you came from.”
“I come from here,” said the Time Traveler. “From not so far from here.”
“Bullshit,” I said.
“Your enemies have gathered and struck and continue to strike and you, the innocents of 2006 and beyond, fight among yourselves, chew and rip at your own bellies, blame your brothers and yourselves and your institutions of the Enlightenment – law, tolerance, science, democracy – even while your enemies grow stronger.”
“How are we supposed to know who our enemies are?” I turned and growled at him. “The world is a complex place. Morality is a complex thing.”
“Your enemy is he who will give his life to kill you,” said the Time Traveler. “Your enemies are they that wish you and your children and your grandchildren dead and who are willing to sacrifice themselves, or support those fanatics who will sacrifice themselves, to see you and your institutions destroyed. You haven’t figured that out yet – the majority of you fat, sleeping, smug, infinitely stupid Americans and Europeans.”
He stood and set the Scotch glass back in its place on my sideboard. “How, we wonder in my time,” he said softly, “can you ignore the better part of a billion people who say aloud that they are willing to kill your children . . . or condone and celebrate the killing of them? And ignore them as they act on what they say? We do not understand you.”
(11-09-2015 06:11 PM)Eskhander Wrote:(11-09-2015 04:33 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:Actually it did. I don't even see how you can argue that Sweden being highly trusting was not part of its prosperity. The nordic nations are world renowned for being high trust.(11-09-2015 12:03 AM)Eskhander Wrote: It's sort of interesting to hear people blame Europeans themselves for this. It's not exactly wrong since they have brought this on themselves, but at the same time... Sweden was once the absolute best place to live in the world because of this trusting nature.
So it's rich for some to so dismissively view it as a weakness when they enjoy a life only possible because of these qualities.
Sweden's prosperity had nothing to do with altruism and trust toward outsiders. There is no contradiction between altruism for your own group combined with a healthy distrust and hostility towards outsiders. If anything, a high degree of altruism and success among one group should generate a high degree of hostility toward out groups. I know for damn sure that if I had a loving family and a $1m house, I'd not hesitate to gun down 1000 invading zombies to protect that harmonious arrangement.
If I was living in a burned down building with a bunch of hostile bums instead? I would not feel nearly so much compulsion to do anything to protect that kind of situation. I'd just up and go elsewhere. Same with nations.
You simply say it SHOULD have not been extended to outsiders. Well it has been extended to outsiders.
(11-09-2015 11:52 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:I don't deny it should be directed internally towards other Swedes (or other Europeans) but I'm merely sticking it to some commenters who mock and deride the Northwest Europeans for their misplaced altruism while not only benefiting from it but also not appreciating the positive effect their altruistic societies have had.(11-09-2015 06:11 PM)Eskhander Wrote:(11-09-2015 04:33 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:Actually it did. I don't even see how you can argue that Sweden being highly trusting was not part of its prosperity. The nordic nations are world renowned for being high trust.(11-09-2015 12:03 AM)Eskhander Wrote: It's sort of interesting to hear people blame Europeans themselves for this. It's not exactly wrong since they have brought this on themselves, but at the same time... Sweden was once the absolute best place to live in the world because of this trusting nature.
So it's rich for some to so dismissively view it as a weakness when they enjoy a life only possible because of these qualities.
Sweden's prosperity had nothing to do with altruism and trust toward outsiders. There is no contradiction between altruism for your own group combined with a healthy distrust and hostility towards outsiders. If anything, a high degree of altruism and success among one group should generate a high degree of hostility toward out groups. I know for damn sure that if I had a loving family and a $1m house, I'd not hesitate to gun down 1000 invading zombies to protect that harmonious arrangement.
If I was living in a burned down building with a bunch of hostile bums instead? I would not feel nearly so much compulsion to do anything to protect that kind of situation. I'd just up and go elsewhere. Same with nations.
You simply say it SHOULD have not been extended to outsiders. Well it has been extended to outsiders.
Dude, just think about it for a second. I think we both agree that it is Sweden's trust and altruism directed internally, towards other Swedes, that is at the root of Sweden's success. All I am saying is that being altruistic towards your own people has nothing to do with being altruistic towards outsiders. Today's Japanese are internally altruistic while outwardly hostile. Same with the Germans during the Nazi (aka, National Socialist, get it?) period.
Being suicidally altruistic towards hostile outside groups has nothing to do with the in-group altruism I described above. It's a wholly separate phenomenon. Sweden's internally directed altruism, or altruism "A" for easy reference, is what brought it harmony and prosperity. Altruism directed towards hostile Muslims and Africans is Altruism B and is rapidly annihilating Sweden and its people.
Altruism A and altruism B are two wholly separate things. It is only altruism A that helped Sweden become a great place to live. So it's incorrect for you to say that it is Sweden's altruism that helped it become a prosperous nation and that it is the same altruism that is now destroying it, because the altruism that helped build Sweden is a completely separate thing from the altruism that is now destroying it.
(11-10-2015 12:10 AM)Eskhander Wrote:(11-09-2015 11:52 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:I don't deny it should be directed internally towards other Swedes (or other Europeans) but I'm merely sticking it to some commenters who mock and deride the Northwest Europeans for their misplaced altruism while not only benefiting from it but also not appreciating the positive effect their altruistic societies have had.(11-09-2015 06:11 PM)Eskhander Wrote:(11-09-2015 04:33 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:Actually it did. I don't even see how you can argue that Sweden being highly trusting was not part of its prosperity. The nordic nations are world renowned for being high trust.(11-09-2015 12:03 AM)Eskhander Wrote: It's sort of interesting to hear people blame Europeans themselves for this. It's not exactly wrong since they have brought this on themselves, but at the same time... Sweden was once the absolute best place to live in the world because of this trusting nature.
So it's rich for some to so dismissively view it as a weakness when they enjoy a life only possible because of these qualities.
Sweden's prosperity had nothing to do with altruism and trust toward outsiders. There is no contradiction between altruism for your own group combined with a healthy distrust and hostility towards outsiders. If anything, a high degree of altruism and success among one group should generate a high degree of hostility toward out groups. I know for damn sure that if I had a loving family and a $1m house, I'd not hesitate to gun down 1000 invading zombies to protect that harmonious arrangement.
If I was living in a burned down building with a bunch of hostile bums instead? I would not feel nearly so much compulsion to do anything to protect that kind of situation. I'd just up and go elsewhere. Same with nations.
You simply say it SHOULD have not been extended to outsiders. Well it has been extended to outsiders.
Dude, just think about it for a second. I think we both agree that it is Sweden's trust and altruism directed internally, towards other Swedes, that is at the root of Sweden's success. All I am saying is that being altruistic towards your own people has nothing to do with being altruistic towards outsiders. Today's Japanese are internally altruistic while outwardly hostile. Same with the Germans during the Nazi (aka, National Socialist, get it?) period.
Being suicidally altruistic towards hostile outside groups has nothing to do with the in-group altruism I described above. It's a wholly separate phenomenon. Sweden's internally directed altruism, or altruism "A" for easy reference, is what brought it harmony and prosperity. Altruism directed towards hostile Muslims and Africans is Altruism B and is rapidly annihilating Sweden and its people.
Altruism A and altruism B are two wholly separate things. It is only altruism A that helped Sweden become a great place to live. So it's incorrect for you to say that it is Sweden's altruism that helped it become a prosperous nation and that it is the same altruism that is now destroying it, because the altruism that helped build Sweden is a completely separate thing from the altruism that is now destroying it.
I also think people should internalize that the reason places like Sweden are doing what they are doing is because of this altruistic nature. If they were more clannish they'd self destruct some other way.
It is also important because that's how you change their minds: appeal to their nature of reciprocal altruists. You can't say, "Sweden for the Swedes" you should rather say "mass immigration is destroying our country because these newcomers don't respect the social contracts."
I give up.