(09-18-2015 01:00 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 08:41 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  The problem is immigration. The distinction between legal and illegal is a red herring and completely irrelevant. The only two things that matter is how many people are coming, and from where. 200k illegal polish immigrants is better than 200k legal Indian immigrants is better than 200k legal Muslim immigrants. No immigrants at all of course being the best scenario of all.

Why are illegal Poles better than legal Indians? This is an article from 5 years ago, and since then there have been a lot more legal EU migrants into UK:

We had that discussion before and you shouldn't be taking that personally. Some consider White European immigrants a better cultural fit, albeit mostly after the second generation.

That said - the UK gets a decent dose of the low-lives of Poland or Romania. (Why Poland has become a much safer country since 2005) Indians coming to the UK are usually at least middle-class or highly educated (or often 2nd or 3rd generation). You don't get the legions of poor uneducated Indians who prefer shitting right next to their vegetables even when they already have toilets installed.

And frankly this discussion is fruitless - yes Poles commit much more crime as the bottom dregs are coming to the UK as well and of course the Indians in the UK are much higher on the social survival scale and are essentially common-wealth conform integrating well.

I wouldn't want any culture to be eradicated completely by the inflow of even well-integrating but essentially foreign subjects unless they have instant employment and a new common identity. That used to be the case with the immigrants of old - in both European countries as well as the US (feeling American ASAP).

Whether those migrants are White Poles (10-20% being on the bottom social scale and causing some problems) or Indians (almost all of them being model citizens) is beside the point - they are both not exactly British since generations, aren't they?

For the sake of some remaining national entity they should stop all inflow, but obviously they will continue with 300.00-400.000/year with what seem to be people who are a by far worse fit than Eastern European or Indians.

Personally I believe in reincarnation so I am going to judge anyone by the merits of what he is now - regardless what body, nationality or social strata he inhabits this time around (though my perception of it is highly different than the Hindu-caste-system scam).

This is the EU today

Slovenia is welcoming the invaders with riot police as well.

I hope the Hungarian example will be adopted everywhere.

Ah - Roosh has weighed in on the global narrative crumbling:





He raises some important points as people balk at the official propaganda and start seeing the same message being pushed by the right and the left media, which seems ever more like state sponsored Communist press.

Of course this won't stop the powers, but it may slow them down and they might have to change it up for a time.

Eastern Europe is indeed where the propaganda has not taken yet. In Germany for example there is not even a party which the Germans could elect to stop immigration. There are the Neonazis, but they are not electable. In Eastern Europe however there are parties which want to stem the flow and at least oppose some parts of the EU dictatorship.

The signs are not bad, but I don't think that it will stop it. Worst case is they withdraw all reporting and let in the refugees through official channels. Just like the thousands daily arriving from Central Africa through Lampedusa & co. - they just tell the media to stop reporting about it. Then belatedly you find out that 180.000 have arrived from outside the EU in the UK alone. It is a minor footnote, because if the media does not tell them about it, then it obviously is not important.

We'll see. I am not that optimistic. I think that the global planners push forward two steps and see how the peasants react. If they grumble and rebel too much, then they go back a step only to move forward more slowly. The crap will continue so long as they remain in power.

I think the glasses look works for Roosh. Maybe try some different frames. Show off the real you!

Anyway, I think Roosh is right. The tenor of the debate has shifted and it simply becomes a matter of piling hatefacts on the people. Just like with feminism, where now all you have to do is point out something dumb feminists believe for the amusement of an audience.

But the work is not done yet. Because, again like with feminism, there still needs to be a push for removing the notion of innate gender equality altogether.
However, there is a nationalist narrative already embedded in much of today's political discourse. So there is an advantage there.

(09-18-2015 11:45 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  I can't believe how stupid and naïve white people are. I read all these comments online of people wondering 'why doesn't Qatar or U.A.E. take in these muslim migrants?' 'where is their heart to help their fellow muslims!?'

Other countries aren't stupid enough to allow foreigners to flood and dilute their own population. Not Japan, not Mexico, not Saudi Arabia, etc. Furthermore they don't believe in SJW buzzwords like 'equality' and giving your own resources to help people who don't even belong there.

Their own naivety and kindness will leave a very shitty future for their grandchildren.

Absolute bullshit, check this out:

Quote:as of 2013 foreign nationals living in Saudi Arabia made up about 21% of the population

Quote: In 2010, the UAE's population was estimated to be 8,264,070, of whom only 13% were UAE nationals or Emiratis, while the majority of the population were expatriates.

Quote:In 2013, Qatar's total population was 1.8 million; 278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates. Qatari nationals are merely 13% of the population

Source: all from wikipedia, please do some research before posting about something you don't know about.

A country like the U.A.E accepting these people would be the equivalent of France accepting Spaniards, Germany accepting Ductch refugees etc so it makes sense to me.

Also, unrelated I believe this hasn't been shared yet, message from a local Hungarian mayor to the Syrian/Afghan etc "refugees", there's still some hope for Europe:

(09-18-2015 03:33 PM)Luisaceo Wrote:  Absolute bullshit, check this out:

Quote:as of 2013 foreign nationals living in Saudi Arabia made up about 21% of the population

Quote: In 2010, the UAE's population was estimated to be 8,264,070, of whom only 13% were UAE nationals or Emiratis, while the majority of the population were expatriates.

Quote:In 2013, Qatar's total population was 1.8 million; 278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates. Qatari nationals are merely 13% of the population

Buddy - those Arab states hire either expats to do the well-paid good work or they employ almost slave labor from 3rd world countries. All of those "immigrants" can be expelled within one day if they want. I would not even call them immigrants, they are either servants, hired hands or guests.

However those oil states would literally crumble within days if they evicted all foreign workers, since they themselves do so little of the real work.

Things are heating up for Greece's Sep. 20th election:





I think the Greek people realize they don't have many other choices. I think GD will get over 10% of the vote.

Anyone else find it funny at the signs of major immigration in Europe, some countries could build walls, yet here in America we have our thumbs up our asses because of the left.

Sometimes I hate this country.

(09-18-2015 12:09 PM)Fisto Wrote:  A guy told me a boat of these people pulled up to some shore recently and the people on board were threatening to throw the babies in the water if they weren't allowed to come ashore. Is that true?

I don't have a confirmation, but I immediately believe this 100%. They are fully aware of how our people and politicians react and how they can always get what they want. "THE CHILDREN" = say no more, shut up and take my money; everything you wish for will be granted. The cucks don't see that they themselves care more about these children than their actual parents but oh well try to wake up a dead person.

(09-18-2015 02:47 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  In Germany for example there is not even a party which the Germans could elect to stop immigration. There are the Neonazis, but they are not electable.

The NPD is an issue, yes, but we have the AfD ("Alternative for Germany"), which is often portrayed by the media as being Nazis but they are not. They are pretty moderate-right. I predict the AfD will be in massive vogue in the coming elections, based on this invasion alone, as their immigration-policies make a lot of sense.
But in pretty much every other regard, they also have the right opinions (leave the Euro-Zone, reduce the power of the EU (e.g. let every member state decide whether they really want to pollute their environment with GMOs,...), being mostly against GMOs, being against gender-mainstreaming,...)
http://www.alternativefuer.de/programm-h...-und-asyl/
Germany would actually have a chance if they were elected. But I have lost all faith in my fellow cucktizens.

PS: Never in my life have I used the word "cuck" as often as in the last few weeks, but there is simply no better term to accurately describe these goofs... or should I say... cucks.

(09-18-2015 03:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Things are heating up for Greece's Sep. 20th election:





I think the Greek people realize they don't have many other choices. I think GD will get over 10% of the vote.

http://news.yahoo.com/ahead-greek-electi...ector.html

Quote:Support from those aged 18-44 – once the backbone of Syriza’s support according to pollsters – has plummeted. The most popular party for 18-24-year-olds now is the far right Golden Dawn, while Syriza languishes in fourth place, data by the pollster Alco show

Video showing Imam telling migrants to reproduce with Europeans in order to invade their countries.
LINK

As Zelcorpion said, the gulf states have complete control over all of those foreigners, they bring them in for shitty labor, pay them peanuts and house them in trailers on the job site. Or, they are English teachers or wealthy businessmen. If you think those foreigners influence their societies, culture or have any say or power, dilute anything, you are wrong. They are commodities. The situation with those "immigrants" is nothing at all like the crazy uncontrolled nonsense we're seeing in what is now the former European Union.

(09-18-2015 03:33 PM)Luisaceo Wrote:  

Quote: In 2010, the UAE's population was estimated to be 8,264,070, of whom only 13% were UAE nationals or Emiratis, while the majority of the population were expatriates.

As Zelcorpion already mentioned, most of these people have no rights there. The majority of them are cheap labor from third world countries to wipe the Sheiks' asses for 1$/hour after they have shit on an IG model because they themselves are too lazy for it. The rest of the foreigners, with higher-skilled jobs can be let go within 2 months. Also, as I heard, if a foreigner wants to open a business, he has to ask a local, who will have to be participated at a 51% shareholding of the business. Also, the business will have to pay a certain percentage of its annual income to the local. Additionally, the locals rarely mix with these "immigrants". That is a completely different situation to what's happening in Europe.

Also...

Quote:Absolute bullshit

Quote: do some research before posting about something you don't know about.

You might want to tone town the arrogance regarding someone's knowledge of a subject that you yourself just learned about 3 minutes ago on Wikipedia.

Edit: @ GlobalMan: I always take too long for my posts. Oh well, after reading it thrice, no one is ever gonna forget these facts ever again

(09-18-2015 03:41 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 03:33 PM)Luisaceo Wrote:  Absolute bullshit, check this out:

Quote:as of 2013 foreign nationals living in Saudi Arabia made up about 21% of the population

Quote: In 2010, the UAE's population was estimated to be 8,264,070, of whom only 13% were UAE nationals or Emiratis, while the majority of the population were expatriates.

Buddy - those Arab states hire either expats to do the well-paid good work or they employ almost slave labor from 3rd world countries. All of those "immigrants" can be expelled within one day if they want. I would not even call them immigrants, they are either servants, hired hands or guests.

However those oil states would literally crumble within days if they evicted all foreign workers, since they themselves do so little of the real work.

Yup. In addition from wiki:

Quote:As Saudi population grows and oil export revenues stagnate, pressure for "Saudization" (the replacement of foreign workers with Saudis) has grown, and the Saudi government hopes to decrease the number of foreign nationals in the country. Saudi Arabia expelled 800,000 Yemenis in 1990 and 1991 and has built a Saudi–Yemen barrier against an influx of illegal immigrants and against the smuggling of drugs and weapons. In November 2013, Saudi Arabia expelled thousands of illegal Ethiopians from the Kingdom. Various Human Rights entities have criticised Saudi Arabia's handling of the issue.

Foreigners are brought there to work purely for Saudi's benefit and will be booted out when no longer needed. They rarely, if ever, get citizenship and they certainly aren't changing the ways of the country. The U.A.E is similar in this regard. They are in no way selling themselves out like the EU is doing.

(09-18-2015 04:07 PM)Requiem Wrote:  

Quote:Absolute bullshit

Quote: do some research before posting about something you don't know about.

You might want to tone town the arrogance regarding someone's knowledge of a subject that you yourself just learned about 3 minutes ago on Wikipedia.

You guys are actually right. I wrote that post in like 30 seconds, and now realise I sound like an angry little bitch. After hearing Americans spell "Columbia" for Colombia or even say that Spain is in Latin America, I seem to jump at the occasion of proving one wrong when it comes to geography etc, despite the fact that the average dude in this forum is too well traveled and well read to make mistakes like that. Anyways, sorry for the attitude in the previous post.

(09-18-2015 04:39 PM)Luisaceo Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 04:07 PM)Requiem Wrote:  

Quote:Absolute bullshit

Quote: do some research before posting about something you don't know about.

You might want to tone town the arrogance regarding someone's knowledge of a subject that you yourself just learned about 3 minutes ago on Wikipedia.

You guys are actually right. I wrote that post in like 30 seconds, and now realise I sound like an angry little bitch. After hearing Americans spell "Columbia" for Colombia or even say that Spain is in Latin America, I seem to jump at the occasion of proving one wrong when it comes to geography etc, despite the fact that the average dude in this forum is too well traveled and well read to make mistakes like that. Anyways, sorry for the attitude in the previous post.

Only on RVF. I love this forum.

(09-18-2015 06:03 AM)Requiem Wrote:  Only on RVF. I love this forum.

See what actual men can get done when we put our ego in check ?

My god if we had millions of us, the world would be a better place.

(09-18-2015 05:18 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 06:03 AM)Requiem Wrote:  Only on RVF. I love this forum.

See what actual men can get done when we put our ego in check ?

My god if we had millions of us, the world would be a better place.

^^Roosh didn't write that...

(09-18-2015 08:41 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 07:56 AM)mikado Wrote:  This is the program of the Front National about immigration (taken from their webpage)

– Legal immigration going in 5 years from 200 000 people entering every year (supposedly) to 10 000 (a factor cut of 20) (This is your answer, Samseau).

– Suppression of the family reunification. Basically you can't have your family come to France to be with you, even though you are working here.

– Drastically reducing the number of asylum seekers admitted to stay in France

– Suppressing Schengen. France will take back the control of its borders.

– Reducing the maximal length of residence permit from 10 to 3 years with a strict control of the conditions to get it. (Isn't this way too drastic, Samseau?)

– Renegociating the European Convention on Human Rights

– Removing the jus solis. Double nationality not allowed, except when it's the nationality of another european country.

– Kicking out every person who enters or stays illegally on the french soil. No medical help for clandestine immigrants.

– Making it forbidden by the law to legalize people who are already clandestine.

– Forbiding every single manifestation of clandestines, or in favor of clandestines.

– Anti-French racism will be considered as an aggravated circumstance in every legal case.

– Kicking out every person recognized guilty by the law, and have her serve time in his/her country of origin.

– Application of national priority. When the skills are equal, give the job to french citizens. When renting a flat, house, etc, if the social situation is the same, give it to french people first (really?????). No welfare at all for families who don't have at least one parent who is French

– Creating a minister of the Interior, of Immigration and Secularism. It will give every trimester numbers and stats about how many residence permits were issued, naturalizations granted, and expulsions done.

– Cooperate with African and developing countries only if they agree to do their share about migrations flux and deportations to the home country.

– Ban communautarism and assimilate through school first. Add to the constitution "France does not recognize any community".



While I do agree about the illegal immigration, I think it's way too harsh for legal immigrants.

The problem is immigration. The distinction between legal and illegal is a red herring and completely irrelevant. The only two things that matter is how many people are coming, and from where. 200k illegal polish immigrants is better than 200k legal Indian immigrants is better than 200k legal Muslim immigrants. No immigrants at all of course being the best scenario of all.

Also, everything else being equal, the government of FRANCE should of course give priority to FRENCH citizens over foreignera. Could anything possibly be more obvious than that?

Can you explain this to me?

In my experience, Indian immigrants are very hard working, law abiding and do a lot of high tech skilled jobs.

In Canada, a lot of the Muslims are holding down big time jobs in the Banks, Telecoms, I.T and Healthcare.

Its all well and good to say no to Immigration, but a lot of countries in the West have a skills shortage.

(09-18-2015 05:44 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Its all well and good to say no to Immigration, but a lot of countries in the West have a skills shortage.

Sources? And I mean outside of propaganda outlets (CNN, Yahoo etc.)

Some articles linked information found in this article regarding rape which were brought to the attention by the SJW charities. Who quickly pulled the document so as not to be seen as racist.



Rape report from Germany

Germany has covered up many rapes perpetrated by foreign invades and continues to do so. What sort of country does tha....oh wait, nevermind, I'm from a country which does the same.

How infuriating.

Have the men of the West become so emasculated and pussified that they'll let foreigners rape their own women and children in their own lands?

The current state of Western men is indeed pathetic, but I don't think so. That anger is seething there. The fact that they're doing everything to cover it up is evidence of that.

There will be some incident that sparks something. What and where it is I don't know, but no amount of PC programming can overturn millions of years of human evolution. Something is going to go down, and when the men rise up beneath their flag, it will be glorious.

(09-18-2015 05:18 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 06:03 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Only on RVF. I love this forum.

See what actual men can get done when we put our ego in check ?

My God if we had millions of us, the world would be a better place.

But we are millions, worldwide, millions of red-pill men, just we don't know how to most efficiently organize, yet...


Meanwhile in Hungary, we've just come close to a casus belli! Hungary seizing and disarming 40 or so Croatian policemen who were (shame, shame on them!) smuggling illegal migrants into Hungary...

Libertas would rightly say: we are delving deeper and deeper into the Twilight Zone, each day. Earlier on today, I told you the story of the multi-rapist Erythrean migrant, raping just about every girl in sight in Saint-Pol-Sur-Mer, without ever being sent to jail - I thought it would be the Twilight Zone news of the day, but no: the Croatian police caught red-handed smuggling migrants into Hungary, this wins the premium prize!

"An unannounced train carrying over 1,000 asylum seekers, accompanied by around 40 Croatian police officers, has been intercepted by Hungarian authorities, who accused Zagreb of breaking international laws and intentionally participating in “human smuggling.”"

http://www.rt.com/news/315906-hungary-tr...-migrants/

"“The Croatian system for handling migrants and refugees has collapsed basically in one day,” Kovacs added. “What we see today is the failure of the Croatian state to handle migration issues. What is more we see intentional, intentional, participation in human smuggling taking the migrants to the Hungarian border.”"

I'm telling you, situation is so tense with this illegal-migrants crisis, some casus belli is bound to happen, sooner than later.

(09-18-2015 05:45 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 05:44 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Its all well and good to say no to Immigration, but a lot of countries in the West have a skills shortage.

Sources? And I mean outside of propaganda outlets (CNN, Yahoo etc.)

Shortages are solved with higher wages.