(09-18-2015 10:48 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  It was interesting to find out that while Germany talks about 800.000+ immigrants, the UK got a whopping 318.000 official net number of migrants. More than half of those are from outside the EU and this does not even include the huge number of fake student migrants:

Quote:Net long-term migration to the UK (immigration less emigration) was estimated to be 318,000 in the calendar year 2014. This was just below the previous peak (320,000 in the year ending (YE) June 2005) and a statistically significant increase from 209,000 in 2013.
641,000 people immigrated to the UK in 2014, a statistically significant increase from 526,000 in 2013. There were statistically significant increases for immigration of EU (non-British) citizens (up 67,000 to 268,000) and non-EU citizens (up 42,000 to 290,000). Immigration of British citizens increased by 7,000 to 83,000, but this was not statistically significant.

So essentially you have 641.000 moving in plus x-number of illegals and 150.000 of foreign students - per year!

Quote:An estimated 323,000 people emigrated from the UK in 2014. Overall emigration levels have been relatively stable since 2010.

I guess those emigrating will be the highly educated and the British who cannot take it anymore.

This is amazing really - Britain could actually have an influx of 800.000 migrants each year! I know that it's not as one-sided and low-level as in Sweden, but that is massive indeed.

Holy fuck! those are outlandish numbers!
I used to live in London, back in the early noughties, and London already felt overcrowded at that stage, to live and work in.
Can only imagine what it must be like now, as we know a good percentage of these immigrants will head to London and suburban area.
I know it's nothing compared to some Asian, African cities or places like Mexico City, but by European standards, London's overcrowding is perhaps the worst for a capital city in Europe and only getting worse with current demographic projections.

(09-18-2015 11:14 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  How many Polish and Romanians have moved to the UK in the last 10 years?

Official numbers of EU migrants are 1,9 mio. 900.000 being from Poland alone. Romanians are likely becoming the second biggest group now. Inofficially the number is probably higher by 500.000 to 1 mio.

But it seems that the non-EU migrants are now outpacing the EU migrants significantly.

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(09-18-2015 07:56 AM)mikado Wrote:  This is the program of the Front National about immigration (taken from their webpage)

– Legal immigration going in 5 years from 200 000 people entering every year (supposedly) to 10 000 (a factor cut of 20) (This is your answer, Samseau).

This has to be done in order to assimilate the current group of immigrants into a cohesive French culture.

Quote:– Suppression of the family reunification. Basically you can't have your family come to France to be with you, even though you are working here.

To prevent abuse of the system.

Quote:– Drastically reducing the number of asylum seekers admitted to stay in France

– Suppressing Schengen. France will take back the control of its borders.

Has to be done or France is dead.

Quote:– Reducing the maximal length of residence permit from 10 to 3 years with a strict control of the conditions to get it. (Isn't this way too drastic, Samseau?)

Not at all. 3 years is still very generous.

Quote:– Removing the jus solis. Double nationality not allowed, except when it's the nationality of another european country.

Prevents Islamic takeover.

Quote:– Kicking out every person who enters or stays illegally on the french soil. No medical help for clandestine immigrants.

– Making it forbidden by the law to legalize people who are already clandestine.

Prevents abuse of the system.

Quote:– Anti-French racism will be considered as an aggravated circumstance in every legal case.

– Kicking out every person recognized guilty by the law, and have her serve time in his/her country of origin.

Fair's fair. Everyone is treated the same under these laws.

Quote:– Application of national priority. When the skills are equal, give the job to french citizens. When renting a flat, house, etc, if the social situation is the same, give it to french people first (really?????). No welfare at all for families who don't have at least one parent who is French

This will be the norm soon enough, with or without FN getting elected. Once France goes broke, only intact families will be able to provide for each other. The welfare class will resort to crime in order to stay alive. Too bad French citizens aren't armed. They are easy prey.

Quote:– Creating a minister of the Interior, of Immigration and Secularism. It will give every trimester numbers and stats about how many residence permits were issued, naturalizations granted, and expulsions done.

– Cooperate with African and developing countries only if they agree to do their share about migrations flux and deportations to the home country.

– Ban communautarism and assimilate through school first. Add to the constitution "France does not recognize any community".


While I do agree about the illegal immigration, I think it's way too harsh for legal immigrants.

Honestly none of the proposals would ever affect you. How can you say it's too harsh?

(09-18-2015 10:10 AM)Blick Mang Wrote:  My fear is that EU globalists have already won by doing this; guest workers were the first wave, general multiculturalism-driven immigrants were the second wave, and now "refugees" are the third wave. With each successive wave, native Europeans shrink as a percentage of the overall population.

The EU globalists haven't won and they will definitely not win. As one of the guys from Finland said on this thread, the EU is basically the new Soviet Union and we know how that ended. Furthermore, the decline of liberalism (I think that liberalism will fall sometime this century) and the reemergence of ethnic conflicts will hasten the fall of the EU. I give the EU about another five years until it collapses.

As far as the survival of ethnic Europeans, that's a whole different matter. I do think that Europeans still have a chance to turn things around.

Also, the migrants have a lot of problems of their own. Ironically, they're biggest problem is that they're too diverse.

(09-18-2015 08:25 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Mikado got it right. Dont be surprised guys, in France even right wings / redpill know Le Pen to be nut and fascist about the "purity of the French race" Kinda ironic because of how unpure it has become lately...

In a nutshell, Le Pen administration would make France very unwelcoming for legal foreigners and downright hostile for illegal immigrants (which is good) There was a bill in France before stating that employers are not allowed to hire foreigners if there are French people of the same skills.

Given the current crisis though, she would still be "the Devil you know", or the better Devil.

It will probably make France a country hostile to foreigners, maybe even hated, but at least it will still be France, with history and culture and good food. With the current system and crisis the France we know and love will be destroyed.

(09-18-2015 08:56 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I hate to say it, Dalaran, but most of these are reasonable.

Yeah I don't see the probem?

I would be thrilled if I got those rights in say Thailand as a foreigner.

What I don't understand and what displeases me the most is probably this entitlement attitude a lof of immigrants have. I simpy can't relate to it. Part of me thinks it reveals a strong undercurrent of disdain for the local population.

I can't believe how stupid and naïve white people are. I read all these comments online of people wondering 'why doesn't Qatar or U.A.E. take in these muslim migrants?' 'where is their heart to help their fellow muslims!?'

Other countries aren't stupid enough to allow foreigners to flood and dilute their own population. Not Japan, not Mexico, not Saudi Arabia, etc. Furthermore they don't believe in SJW buzzwords like 'equality' and giving your own resources to help people who don't even belong there.

Their own naivety and kindness will leave a very shitty future for their grandchildren.

RoK article about the migrant crisis in Croatia submitted.

A guy told me a boat of these people pulled up to some shore recently and the people on board were threatening to throw the babies in the water if they weren't allowed to come ashore. Is that true?

^^^fuck that sounds crazy. I'd dare them jump in and save the babies and still turn the fuckers away. I'd get it on video. Then as they got older I'd show them the video and say this is how much your parents loved you.

(09-18-2015 07:56 AM)mikado Wrote:  This is the program of the Front National about immigration (taken from their webpage)

– Legal immigration going in 5 years from 200 000 people entering every year (supposedly) to 10 000 (a factor cut of 20) (This is your answer, Samseau).

– Suppression of the family reunification. Basically you can't have your family come to France to be with you, even though you are working here.

– Drastically reducing the number of asylum seekers admitted to stay in France

– Suppressing Schengen. France will take back the control of its borders.

– Reducing the maximal length of residence permit from 10 to 3 years with a strict control of the conditions to get it. (Isn't this way too drastic, Samseau?)

– Renegociating the European Convention on Human Rights

– Removing the jus solis. Double nationality not allowed, except when it's the nationality of another european country.

– Kicking out every person who enters or stays illegally on the french soil. No medical help for clandestine immigrants.

– Making it forbidden by the law to legalize people who are already clandestine.

– Forbiding every single manifestation of clandestines, or in favor of clandestines.

– Anti-French racism will be considered as an aggravated circumstance in every legal case.

– Kicking out every person recognized guilty by the law, and have her serve time in his/her country of origin.

– Application of national priority. When the skills are equal, give the job to french citizens. When renting a flat, house, etc, if the social situation is the same, give it to french people first (really?????). No welfare at all for families who don't have at least one parent who is French

– Creating a minister of the Interior, of Immigration and Secularism. It will give every trimester numbers and stats about how many residence permits were issued, naturalizations granted, and expulsions done.

– Cooperate with African and developing countries only if they agree to do their share about migrations flux and deportations to the home country.

– Ban communautarism and assimilate through school first. Add to the constitution "France does not recognize any community".



While I do agree about the illegal immigration, I think it's way too harsh for legal immigrants.

That list reads almost exactly like Japan's immigration law (yes I have read it). And that's one of the more liberal Asian countries.

(09-18-2015 12:07 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  RoK article about the migrant crisis in Croatia submitted.

I'm posting it on the euroreddit to see what kind of response it gets

Tony got a link?

(09-18-2015 12:14 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  

(09-18-2015 12:07 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  RoK article about the migrant crisis in Croatia submitted.

I'm posting it on the euroreddit to see what kind of response it gets

If r/Europe, expect deleting and banning in 3 seconds by the eurocuck mods. If in r/European, members will read and discuss it like civilized people.

(09-18-2015 12:15 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  Tony got a link?

It's not out yet guys. I've only just submitted it. It will take a day or two for it to be polished with final details and appear.

Hungary starts building fence on Croatian border
http://www.dw.com/en/hungary-starts-buil...a-18721670

Quote:Prime Minister Viktor Orban says a new fence is already being built on the Croatian border to stem the migrant pressure. Croatia has closed its border with Serbia after being deluged with refugees over the past few days.

Quote:Orban announced on Friday that construction had begun on the new fence, similar to the barrier erected recently along its border with Serbia. The confirmation came hours after Croatia shut its boundary with Serbia, as the migrant crisis marched westwards.

(09-18-2015 11:45 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  I can't believe how stupid and naïve white people are. I read all these comments online of people wondering 'why doesn't Qatar or U.A.E. take in these muslim migrants?' 'where is their heart to help their fellow muslims!?'

Other countries aren't stupid enough to allow foreigners to flood and dilute their own population. Not Japan, not Mexico, not Saudi Arabia, etc. Furthermore they don't believe in SJW buzzwords like 'equality' and giving your own resources to help people who don't even belong there.

Their own naivety and kindness will leave a very shitty future for their grandchildren.

Basically white people build the best societies, then non whites call them racist monsters then want to take over their shit. ( over generalizing of course. There's a lot of non whites that are good contributors to society. I hate the fuckers though who are ingrates. Knew this bitch from a Latin American country who won the lottery by getting USA citensenship then all she does is bitch about how racist and awful the USA is and how white people are evil . She isn't a fan of our bill of rights either - prolly racist or something).

(09-18-2015 12:09 PM)Fisto Wrote:  A guy told me a boat of these people pulled up to some shore recently and the people on board were threatening to throw the babies in the water if they weren't allowed to come ashore. Is that true?

I don't know if this particular case is true, but they definitely have a thing for abusing children to make a point. So I wouldn't be surprised that much.

   

   

Quote:Croatia has closed its border with Serbia after being deluged with refugees over the past few days.

This is quite misleading. Without an army and a fence to enforce it, the "closed border" just means that the border crossings are closed. Illegal immigrants still walk into the country anywhere around them (or even right through, see this video: https://www.facebook.com/priznajem.HRVAT...age_bubble )

The only people who can't enter the country because of "closed borders" are legal travelers.

I propose that the term "closed border" be renamed to "cucklosed border" so to not be as misleading.

(09-18-2015 08:41 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  The problem is immigration. The distinction between legal and illegal is a red herring and completely irrelevant. The only two things that matter is how many people are coming, and from where. 200k illegal polish immigrants is better than 200k legal Indian immigrants is better than 200k legal Muslim immigrants. No immigrants at all of course being the best scenario of all.

Why are illegal Poles better than legal Indians? This is an article from 5 years ago, and since then there have been a lot more legal EU migrants into UK:

EU migrants commit 500 crimes a week in UK

Quote:European migrants are committing more than 500 crimes a week in Britain and officials are powerless to deport many of them.

More than 54,000 European Union citizens have been convicted of crimes — including murder — in the past two years The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

Poles and Romanians are the worst offenders according to the figures, adding to concerns over the impact of the two most recent EU expansions.

And because of EU rules on freedom of movement, only those sentenced to at least two years in prison face deportation after they complete their punishment.

Less than a week ago, separate figures showed crime committed here by all foreigners had almost doubled in two years. Police last night warned that foreign criminals were putting extra pressure on already stretched resources because language barriers could delay even routine procedures.

One police leader said last week that a simple caution could take six hours to issue to a foreign offender who did not speak English.

Scotland full of eastern European criminals!

Quote:SCOTLAND has so many eastern European criminal suspects that the Polish military has been called in to fly them home, the Sunday Express has learned.

Hundreds of overseas fugitives are being caught here and sent home every year with majority coming from Poland, South Africa and the USA.

Earlier this year, there were close to 400 live cases involving 62 different countries - either Scots who had fled abroad or foreign nationals wanted for often serious crimes.

The military flights from Edinburgh Airport - dubbed Con Air after the Hollywood movie - were introduced to keep costs down and cope with the soaring demand.

A Scottish Government report on international criminals, seen by the Sunday Express, states: “To facilitate the increasing number of extraditions to Poland and to reduce costs involved, arrangements have been made for Polish military flights to land at Edinburgh airport.”

Following the introduction of the European Arrest Warrant in 2004, thousands of foreign suspects are being caught and sent home from Britain every year.

Four years ago, the Polish authorities also introduced regular military flights from Biggin Hill airport in Kent to cope with a peak in demand.

An 80-seater Polish military twin-propeller aircraft was sometimes making two flights a week to Warsaw, extraditing suspects in crimes ranging from murder to theft of a chicken. Many of those extradited were returning to Britain within days.

Last night the Scottish Conservatives said it was right for the Polish authorities to foot the bill for the removal of wanted criminals.

Alex Johnstone MSP added: “It stands to reason that the more foreign people who come to live in the UK, the more there are going to be in prison settings.

“The vast majority of Polish migrant workers have been an asset to Scotland, taking jobs many people here have no interest in pursuing.

“But it is important that when crimes are committed, taxpayers shouldn’t have to foot the bill of keeping them in jail and they should serve their sentences in their native country where possible.”

However, the need for military extradition flights reveals the worrying level of international offenders in Scotland.

Some white British people aren’t fans of the Poles either:

New figures reveal dramatic increase in hate crimes against Polish people

Quote:in 2013, police officers arrested 585 people for a hate crime (such as a violent assault, vandalism or a public order offence) against a Pole – one person every 14 hours. That's a tenfold increase from 2004. And the total number of arrests is likely to be much higher, because only 26 of the country's 46 forces replied to the Guardian's request for information.
…
The figures – which only show recorded crimes – are just the tip of the iceberg. In the decade since Poland joined the EU, at least half a million Poles have come to Britain. Many say they have suffered some form of xenophobia. In a recent survey of 1,000 Polish people by journalism students at the London College of Communications, nearly three-quarters (71%) said they had been subjected to some form of abuse and knew someone who had been physically attacked because they were Polish.

And the problem is worsening. In Belfast, over 10 days in April, three young Polish nationals were attacked by a gang after being asked for a cigarette; a 23-year-old man was stabbed in the leg and seven Polish homes were vandalised. "It was terrifying, they were throwing bricks through our windows," says Maria Glok, who lives in the one of the vandalised homes. "I really feared for my family. I honestly don't know if I can continue to live here like this."

"It's like people think it is OK to discriminate against [us]."
...
While most Polish people feel the UK is a friendlier place now than when they first arrived, Polish civic organisations worry that the recession and benefit cuts are increasing anti-Polish feeling.

Krzysztof Kawczynski, coordinator at east London-based charity Flowers of Human Hearts, which helps Poles find accommodation and jobs and also runs a homeless shelter, says that the charity has noted a steep rise in the number of Poles being violently attacked since the start of the recession. "I can see that when there are fewer jobs available, some people blame the lack of opportunities on Poles and that may lead to these attacks," he says.

Britons don't even consider themselves European, in UK the word "Europe" means mainland Europe.

This isn't going to end well man.

"it's about the childen!" Motherfucker no its not ! It's about a ton of males taking advantage of the EU.

The some of these countries are dumb enough to open their fucking doors to people who will more than likely refuse to assimilate in the country they settle in.

It may not be immediate but I can see in the next few years serious shit happening in the EU.

40 Croatian cop escorting 1000 invaders moved to Hungarian territory, the Hungarian border police took their weapon away as they entered Hungarian territory with weapons without authorization.

(09-18-2015 02:09 PM)Glaucon Wrote:  40 Croatian cop escorting 1000 invaders moved to Hungarian territory, the Hungarian border police took their weapon away as they entered Hungarian territory with weapons without authorization.

Haven't heard about this in the Croatian media (no surprise).... link?

Only have it in Hungarian

http://www.origo.hu/itthon/percrolpercre...hatar.html

Can't wait for winter to hit, this is going to get more interesting when the temperature hits 0 and these people are still in tents, or worse yet, still walking.

(09-18-2015 02:18 PM)Glaucon Wrote:  Only have it in Hungarian

http://www.origo.hu/itthon/percrolpercre...hatar.html

That's fine, thanks. Google Translate provides the gist of it.

Either way, good job disarming our cuck SJW police. Milanović is totally out of his mind.