Walking home late night from the library last night, I passed a bar lounge owned by a friend.
On the outside smoking area I see a familiar silhouette, a plate that's fallen out of rotation talking to a guy.
Took evasive measures, but it was too late, point blank range.
She has the lounge owner call me over. (a mutual female acquaintance)
I'm ushered inside, loads of familiar faces, my boys were performing.
My former plate is visibly anxious, at a point I remember her flinching as I touched & commented on her necklace (a marijuana emblem)
I'm treated to the social akwardness of this situation. Her talking to her new plate master constantly glancing over at me.
I play it cool, socialise with my other folks.
Not the best time to be looking like a library scrub, oh well.
She leaves with him.
Today I get "testing the waters" WhatsApp messages with a meek ambiguous apology.
It occurs to me that under one small roof she has accumulated atleast 3guys she'd had sex with. (me, my boy & the new guy)
On her side the messages will show read with no reply. Instant next.
Gentleman I reiterate, if you aint spinning plates, best believe you'll get spun.

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(08-21-2015 09:10 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  Is it worth it to rent an apartment if you just use it for logistics every weekend?

It's really far away from my place, though, I'm still living with my parents.

You wanna pay to rent just for an apartment for the weekend? And live at your parents during the week?

I can't imagine it's cost effective to do that.

You might as well just move out entirely and get an apartment.

(08-20-2015 06:32 PM)Gorgiass Wrote:  

(08-18-2015 12:56 PM)SunW Wrote:  Thanks Blackwell.

I was originally using it more for seeing how I rated for looks, hoping to get some feedback on pictures and different looks, but I noticed that female land whales (who most of us would rate below a 1) are getting ratings of 5.5, while the "high rated dudes" in my area that look like this guy are getting ratings of 8. The other funny thing is girls, who are very close to 10 (if not 10), have ratings of 8 too.

I suppose Tinder doesn't score a person?

The HoN app is shit in my opinion. They don't match people who rate each other well, so it's likely that you'll have like 50 chicks who have rated you "hot" which they tell you for your score, but only 5 matches after a thousand swipes. Approximate values, of course. Because it's not a simple rating app but you can also message, the probability of a hookup skews ratings. Skinny, busty attention whores with bikini shots on the beach get "not" votes by guys who know she'd never vote for them and want to knock her down a peg, but that chubby whore with pimples might message them back so better vote "hot" just to be safe. Add to that anyone can vote for anyone else of any gender and it's pretty much worthless for ratings.

I even tried purchasing the upgrade to see if they would do better with matching then, but all it does is show you who's voted you "hot" that you've also voted on, doesn't make it any easier to vote on people who vote on you. For that they still show popups to share on FB. Not in the same league as Tinder, even with the hotter girls on it. Nope, no Tinder ratings.

(08-18-2015 12:59 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  Crap that guy is "only" an 8? No homo but if that's the case I'm lucky to be a 5 on a good day

I was a 6.5, not that I'm bitter or anything Hey, I still pull on Tinder and the world this side of the screen.

No homo, but if you were a 6.5, then you're pretty damn hot. I've seen very few dudes break 7.5, so it's weird.

Great info; I had seen their upgrade and didn't get what that was for. The way that I understand it, if I think a girl is hot and she thinks I'm hot, we'll see each other. But if a girl thinks I'm hot, and I don't think she is, to sound like an asshole, I don't give a shit (she's probably a fatty).

(08-21-2015 04:49 PM)SunW Wrote:  Great info; I had seen their upgrade and didn't get what that was for. The way that I understand it, if I think a girl is hot and she thinks I'm hot, we'll see each other. But if a girl thinks I'm hot, and I don't think she is, to sound like an asshole, I don't give a shit (she's probably a fatty).

Not quite, they blur out ~2/3 of the chicks who think you're hot and you also think are hot, only way to "unlock" them is to swipe incessantly until you rack up more blurred matches and then they show you some older ones. Or to pay up.

If you have a blurred admirer you vote "not" on she disappears unless you paid in which case it shows up at the bottom under a "you voted not" headline so you can reconsider if that chubby 5.5 is worth it at 2am on a Friday.

I was hoping for $8 a month or whatever it would bump up their shitty matching algorithm and show my profile to more chicks but didn't affect my rate of matches in the slightest.

Had an interesting thing happen to me yesterday.

I'm out in the city with my of my plates and get a text from house mate that there is a letter on my car which is parked out the front of our place. At first I thought it must be a parking fine or I'd parked too close to someone or partialy over there driveway or something along those lines, although I was sure I hadn't done any of that. Then my housemate sent me a picture of it and it was a read envelope with my name on it. I was really going WTF? at that stage.
My plate half jokingly says to me that she bets its my ex gf trying to get me back but I immediately discount this as she lives on the other side of the country now.

Later that afternoon I get back home with my plate and grab the letter. I open it and glance at it long enough to see that it's from an old plate of mine I ditched at the start of the year. She was the first plate I had after getting out of my 7 year LTR, finding this forum and ROK and swallowing the red pill. I ditched her because while the sex was great (she worshiped my cock) she wasn't good looking enough and spending time with her outside of banging her had become a chore.

I banged my current plate and then sent her on her way. Although not before having to lay down the law about her wanting to read the letter.
The letter was 2 handwritten pages of Roardog you're awesome, we had so many great times (remember that time you took my anal cherry?), I don't understand why you ditched me, I've tried to move on but I can't, can we please go back to being FWB? All the stuff you usually see being written by beta's trying to get back a girl who dumped them.
It was quite flattering and I actually feel sorry for the girl because she's so clearly hung up on me.

Anyway the point is, what should I do? Do I just keep ignoring her like I did her messages when I first ditched her or do I look at banging her again?

(08-21-2015 11:56 AM)Blackwell Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 09:10 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  Is it worth it to rent an apartment if you just use it for logistics every weekend?

It's really far away from my place, though, I'm still living with my parents.

You wanna pay to rent just for an apartment for the weekend? And live at your parents during the week?

I can't imagine it's cost effective to do that.

You might as well just move out entirely and get an apartment.

I can't leave my parents for now and Its not yet my money to pay the cheap room.

(08-24-2015 05:54 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Had an interesting thing happen to me yesterday.

I'm out in the city with my of my plates and get a text from house mate that there is a letter on my car which is parked out the front of our place. At first I thought it must be a parking fine or I'd parked too close to someone or partialy over there driveway or something along those lines, although I was sure I hadn't done any of that. Then my housemate sent me a picture of it and it was a read envelope with my name on it. I was really going WTF? at that stage.
My plate half jokingly says to me that she bets its my ex gf trying to get me back but I immediately discount this as she lives on the other side of the country now.

Later that afternoon I get back home with my plate and grab the letter. I open it and glance at it long enough to see that it's from an old plate of mine I ditched at the start of the year. She was the first plate I had after getting out of my 7 year LTR, finding this forum and ROK and swallowing the red pill. I ditched her because while the sex was great (she worshiped my cock) she wasn't good looking enough and spending time with her outside of banging her had become a chore.

I banged my current plate and then sent her on her way. Although not before having to lay down the law about her wanting to read the letter.
The letter was 2 handwritten pages of Roardog you're awesome, we had so many great times (remember that time you took my anal cherry?), I don't understand why you ditched me, I've tried to move on but I can't, can we please go back to being FWB? All the stuff you usually see being written by beta's trying to get back a girl who dumped them.
It was quite flattering and I actually feel sorry for the girl because she's so clearly hung up on me.

Anyway the point is, what should I do? Do I just keep ignoring her like I did her messages when I first ditched her or do I look at banging her again?

Had something similar happened to me too with my Greek flag, just before I found my current main. Sex was fucking awesome in bed (she was a rioter, taught me how to make a molotov cocktail…) but she was a crazy bitch and any time spending outside of bed with her was time better spent in an asylum.

I would say keep silence and don’t contact her. There was a reason you ditched her and its still valid now as it was then. Plus, banging a girl that just isnt good looking enough really aint worth it. In the long run it fucks your self esteem up. No reason to bang down especially now you got another better plate.

Plus, if you do care about the girl, better still to radio silence. Stalker/obessisve girl gets false hope and encouragement with even the slightest contact with you, so if you wanna let her go, let her go.

I use to get a sense of flattery at stuff like that too, until I realize that coming from a girl Im not attracted to, its more annoying than flatering. Must be how girls feel when betas approach them.

A few more number leads this weekend.

Had a girl from OKC commit to meeting me saturday, but claimed her car broke down, trolled her hard, of course she defended her self.

I've found it easier if a girl said she can't make it, is to call her on put her on the spot and call her out. You can really tell if they're being genuine or shady. This girl seemed still interested in meeting up and would make up to me, I never hold my breath.

Marine girl came over after meal prepping - finally got her topless. Honestly man, her tits are okay, but her body just didn't get me going.

Top it off with her claiming to be on her period...."that's what towels are for duh".....followed up later with "You would do that ? I've never done it"

We had some good laughs, she's a pretty cool chick to get along with but sexually I've realized their isn't anything there, I can't get past certain things so I'm nexting her.

The black italian girl is eating out of the palm of my hands, she thanked for being able to spend the night, I flipped that into her owing me a steak lobster dinner BJ. We'll see if it pans out.

I've noticed this year is a lot slower than last year, mostly because I've been focusing on the gym and my main squeeze. Also the quality of girls just isn't there right now online - clearly obvious.

^Kaotic have you tried the bumble app yet? The quality reminds me of tinder in its heyday. Your results may vary depending on your location though.

My collection of Latina plates is growing

New Plate 1
   


New Plate 2
   

Now it's time to become an approach machine. This is the mid west and....

   

@kaotic

Had to blow dust off the old game manuals.

Personally, I like to get to a girl's juicy emotional core. She will unburden herself and the reason for her reluctance will come out, trust will form, panties drop.

That's easy solution for me, but it's suboptimal, cause she can easily go into soul mate mode.

The overall strategy is to build the heat to the point where she's going to explode.

She's allowing her self to release her own sexual tension by sucking your dick. At this stage of the game, everything is sexual and sensual.

So you need to take more control of the situation.
You can try to heat her up without allowing her release.

One of the best ones I've ever used I called the prisoner. This is an old one, probably called something else.

Typical lmr prevention is two steps forward one step back.

Kiss, neck
Stop

Neck, titty rub
Stop

Continue upping the ante until you say just let me put the head in.

She's fucking your game up by fastforwarding to the bj.

Stop her.

",We need to chill, I need you to do something for me."

"What"

"Sit on your hands"

If I remember correctly, that's when you do a lot of light kino and push her buttons that way.

But by sitting on her hands, she's got some light bondage going on, and she's going to go through a different state of mind.

The restraint can/should put her over the edge.

It's been a minute since I went all technique, but I'd make this your Hail Mary.


WIA

(08-24-2015 02:43 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  ^Kaotic have you tried the bumble app yet? The quality reminds me of tinder in its heyday. Your results may vary depending on your location though.

DUDE I just downloaded after you mentioned it, talent's refreshing ! And it's not the same girls ! This oughta be interesting.

(08-24-2015 03:51 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @kaotic

Had to blow dust off the old game manuals.

Personally, I like to get to a girl's juicy emotional core. She will unburden herself and the reason for her reluctance will come out, trust will form, panties drop.

That's easy solution for me, but it's suboptimal, cause she can easily go into soul mate mode.

The overall strategy is to build the heat to the point where she's going to explode.

She's allowing her self to release her own sexual tension by sucking your dick. At this stage of the game, everything is sexual and sensual.

So you need to take more control of the situation.
You can try to heat her up without allowing her release.

One of the best ones I've ever used I called the prisoner. This is an old one, probably called something else.

Typical lmr prevention is two steps forward one step back.

Kiss, neck
Stop

Neck, titty rub
Stop

Continue upping the ante until you say just let me put the head in.

She's fucking your game up by fastforwarding to the bj.

Stop her.

",We need to chill, I need you to do something for me."

"What"

"Sit on your hands"

If I remember correctly, that's when you do a lot of light kino and push her buttons that way.

But by sitting on her hands, she's got some light bondage going on, and she's going to go through a different state of mind.

The restraint can/should put her over the edge.

It's been a minute since I went all technique, but I'd make this your Hail Mary.


WIA

For the record I guided her to the BJ sessions since I knew I was getting the bang.

Prisoner ? I dig it, she seems more comfortable with me, we'll see. I like the sitting on her hands, that's rad.

Thanks WIA, always appreciated.

(08-24-2015 03:57 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 02:43 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  ^Kaotic have you tried the bumble app yet? The quality reminds me of tinder in its heyday. Your results may vary depending on your location though.

DUDE I just downloaded after you mentioned it, talent's refreshing ! And it's not the same girls ! This oughta be interesting.

What is this "Bumble" app? I had a look on the Google Play store and couldn't find it.

*EDIT* Looks like it's only available on iPhone at the moment

(08-24-2015 06:38 PM)Roardog Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 03:57 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 02:43 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  ^Kaotic have you tried the bumble app yet? The quality reminds me of tinder in its heyday. Your results may vary depending on your location though.

DUDE I just downloaded after you mentioned it, talent's refreshing ! And it's not the same girls ! This oughta be interesting.

What is this "Bumble" app? I had a look on the Google Play store and couldn't find it.

*EDIT* Looks like it's only available on iPhone at the moment

Must be iphone only. I tried on my Android device, same shit.

I wasn't aware that it's iPhone only but it's a tinder clone and was created by a former tinder exec. The only difference is once you match the woman must message first and she only has 24hrs to do so or the match will expire. So far most of my matches have messaged me but the convo often dies there. In SoCal the amount of users is smaller than tinder but the quality is mostly 7s and up.

(08-24-2015 07:37 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  I wasn't aware that it's iPhone only but it's a tinder clone and was created by a former tinder exec. The only difference is once you match the woman must message first and she only has 24hrs to do so or the match will expire. So far most of my matches have messaged me but the convo often dies there. In SoCal the amount of users is smaller than tinder but the quality is mostly 7s and up.

Know if there is an emulator you can use online?

My guess is it probably has jack all coverage here as well, like Happn.

Starting to get back in it after summer break. Went full "I don't give a fuck" with some freshmen girls. They asked for my name and I told them "They call me Doc."

Probably helped I was mildly drunk by that point.

I've had two ex's in the last two weeks try to reconnect with me. One who I'd last spoken to in 2012 and the other in 2008. The latter was also the first girl I'd hooked up with back in 2004, and I was also her first. The first is batshit and was my first pre red pill FWB. Both were over LinkedIn as well, which seems to me to me to say that they want to seem 'professional'...

I think it might have something to do with September being when university starts back up, and some old feelings being dusted off. Interestingly, one is married and the other is divorced.

In my mind though, what's done is done, and my personal rule is that I don't talk to past lays or ex's.

Just another interesting Wednesday.

Two saturdays ago I number closed an attractive brunette at a bar. She was eye fucking me so it was pretty easy. I text her the next day and shes super excited to hear from me and all. I quickly set up a date on Wednesday and there was some flirting via text before then. She shows up and we hit up a bar. We shoot the shit for a while and she dropped a few baits about her place which was close by and well I bit. We get to her place and she fixes me a drink and rolls a joint we bot smoke. I should have made my move then but I was taking my time for no bloody reason. She has a roommate who's a dude and he was already en route so I think maybe that was why I held back but still I'm an idiot.lol Anyway I ask her to tell me the craziest thing she's ever done and when she's about to the dude get home. We hang together for a but cuz he wanted to smoke but after he left she tells me about a 3some she had 2 weeks before. Mind blowing story. Talk about signals, I eventually pulled her close for a kiss and we kiss for a while. Then we go sit inside ad make out some more but then she tells me she can't fuck with the dude in the house. Apparently they've known each other for years and he just moved in. She tells me she's always wet and I did verify by finger fucking her but she didn't want to fuck. She tells me we can meet up when he's not there or at my place in a few days and I agreed. (I probably shouldn't have caved easily). I leave and the next day we text a bit. The day after I told her via text I was thinking of fucking her mouth and she said I'd have to fuck other places too if I wanted to satisfy her. More back and forth and she sends me some nudes. I tried to set up a meet this week but she says she's busy all week and she could maybe do sunday night so I play it cool and say Ok.

Sunday afternoon I send her a few smileys suggesting sex and wrote tonight with a question mark after them ( I probably shouldn't have done that either) She doesn't reply and on monday I deleted her number cause I was pissed and I have other chicks lined up. Now I'm thinking I shouldn't have acted so rashly cause I have no doubt the sex will be great plus it was a lay up. I don't get how I could fuck it up.



GIRL 2.

Sunday afternoon I was on my way home from work when I saw this girl sitting all by herself at the tram stop so naturally I approach. I was holding a really transparent bag in my hand no thanks to the idiots at the pharmacy I had just bought a box of condoms from. I opened her and we started chatting. She's 18 and had a bubbling personality. She was headed in my direction but the trams were filled to the brim cause there was a concert in that direction so we were waiting for a tram with not so many people. I took the opportunity to insta date her so we had a cup of coffee. She's cool and all but has weird views. She wears no make up even though she's beautiful. Highly opinionated but I didn't care cause I wanted to fuck her. We finally get a tram and we chat all the way. I get her number and promise to hit her up. She leaves for uni in a nearby city so I'm thinking I can ht it before she goes. She says she doesn't have a boyfriend too so it was looking good. We were gonna out today but Its raining so I ask her to come over instead which she did without any hesitation. I was liking it. The first red flag was when I went to pick her. She was holding an umbrella which I tried to share with her on the walk over to my place by putting my arms around her but she moved away.

I thought it was prbly cause I hadn't built enough comfort. We get to my place and hangout. Fixed her a cup of coffee and we lay on my bed to watch a movie on my computer. 20 mins in I touch her hand and she moves away saying she doesn't like to be touched. I touch her hair but she's okay with that so I'm thinking what the fuck!. we talk about all kinds of things but I just couldn't get myself to kiss her. It just never seemed like the right moment. I thought about it too much. When she's about to leave I try to kiss her and she doesn't let me. WTF again. lol. I walk her to the tram stop and we chat for a bit till her tram arrives and we hug and she leaves. I mean what do you do with a girl who doesn't even let you kino? Could I have done anything differently or should I have pulled the plug earlier and kicked her out ? Is there such a thing as losing game form? Damn.

I matched today with a middle eastern (American born) 26yo on Tinder. She had the usual duck face photos and selfies and nothing seemed to extraordinary about her. We made tentative plans to meet up for ice cream tomorrow as she doesn't drink but she asked to speak on the phone first. I'm so glad I did. Almost from the jump she starts asking me all kinds of marriage questions and wanted to know what happened with my divorce. No big deal, lots of women are curious about that but then she starts asking me if I'm physically able to have kids She proceeds to say that she "doesn't have fun with random guys" and she's serious about finding "the one".

Dodged a bullet there for sure...

Just had this first happen to me today - I got approached during the day.

Granted, the two girls were asking for directions, but they were cute Brazilian exchange students so it's not like I was going to complain.

Walked with them (they were going to the same market that I was), we got some groceries, then I helped them out a bit finding cell phone plans. I got their Facebook near the end and they seemed pretty enthusiastic at the idea of going drinking with me sometime soon. We'll see how it goes.

Having said that, my earlier decision to completely ignore Canadian girls and focus on the foreign exchange students here continues to be confirmed in its correctness.

(08-26-2015 07:37 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  Just had this first happen to me today - I got approached during the day.

Granted, the two girls were asking for directions, but they were cute Brazilian exchange students so it's not like I was going to complain.

Walked with them (they were going to the same market that I was), we got some groceries, then I helped them out a bit finding cell phone plans. I got their Facebook near the end and they seemed pretty enthusiastic at the idea of going drinking with me sometime soon. We'll see how it goes.

Having said that, my earlier decision to completely ignore Canadian girls and focus on the foreign exchange students here continues to be confirmed in its correctness.

I wouldn't have gone with Facebook, but other than that small bonding things like getting groceries together is a great way to day game. Cheers to to originality.

@Oregon

You gotta come at her with a list of questions about whether she's actually marriage material.

Can you cook
Do you cook everyday?
Can you clean
Lemme see your car
What's your credit like
How much do you drink
Do you still do girls night out
How many languages do you speak
Are you ready to give up your career for 5-7 years to take care of your children

Do you even know what a real marriage entails

When you get into a fight with your mate, do you pretend that nothing is wrong, and make him drag out of you

Have you been wrong before?

If your husband's job moves the two of you way from friends and family could you cope?

If you have to.choose between your husband and your family, who will you choose. Your husband and children?

You could seriously go on and on. Bitches rarely think marriage all the easy through.

WIA

(08-27-2015 09:37 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @Oregon

You gotta come at her with a list of questions about whether she's actually marriage material.

Can you cook
Do you cook everyday?
Can you clean
Lemme see your car
What's your credit like
How much do you drink
Do you still do girls night out
How many languages do you speak
Are you ready to give up your career for 5-7 years to take care of your children

Do you even know what a real marriage entails

When you get into a fight with your mate, do you pretend that nothing is wrong, and make him drag out of you

Have you been wrong before?

If your husband's job moves the two of you way from friends and family could you cope?

If you have to.choose between your husband and your family, who will you choose. Your husband and children?

You could seriously go on and on. Bitches rarely think marriage all the easy through.

WIA

I like that idea of flipping the script on her like that. Usually the first thing that hits me when I run into these women is how in the hell can I get away right now?

Got a taste of a your average basic white girl claiming she had "curves" yesterday.

I laughed in my head, she was surprisingly nice and enjoyed being teased, I had time to kill, and I didn't get any bad vibes.

She's a teacher, told me about her low income students, shit really sucks for these kids man.

I've been feeling a lot better in the gym, ever since I switched from ground turkey to chicken breast I don't feel as bloated and I've been looking leaner.