Hung out with a girl who i know from my social circle that I've been trying to get at for over a year. She was withdrawn and distant the whole time and we were talking about relationships

She told me she doesn't date, get into relationships, or hook up with people.

I find that very odd and almost bullshit. Do women like this exist?

I asked her out on a date at the end and she said she doesn't go on dates or get involved with anyone. Maybe she doesn't like me.

I should have asked her when was the last time she has sex.

(06-10-2015 02:03 AM)Valhalla Wrote:  Hung out with a girl who i know from my social circle that I've been trying to get at for over a year. She was withdrawn and distant the whole time and we were talking about relationships

She told me she doesn't date, get into relationships, or hook up with people.

I find that very odd and almost bullshit. Do women like this exist?

I asked her out on a date at the end and she said she doesn't go on dates or get involved with anyone. Maybe she doesn't like me.

I should have asked her when was the last time she has sex.

Standard procedure is always to watch her actions, not her words. You know this girl for a year now and still you don’t have enough data? Her interaction with other guys will reveal her true mask to you.

Girls like that may exist, but then what the hell are you doing with her????? Someone who doesn’t date doesn’t fuck? And if that is not true then that means she is not attracted to you. If that again is not true and she is making things up for stupid reasons you’ve got a case of sticking your dick in crazy here. Decide if the pussy is worth it.

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I had my ex-gf over last night. Had to leave early to work so i left her to sleep at my apartmen. I come back from work and she has cleaned up my kitchen and done the dishes, brilliant! I'm making dinner for another girl i haven't fucked yet who's going to enjoy the tidy kitchen.

Here's something that won't be very popular to post:

I am getting sick of 18-20 year olds.

Don't get me wrong, there's barely a skinny 18 year old out there I wouldn't bang, but goddamn are these girls boring.

The more I hang out with young girls, the more I want to shoot myself in the head. In the past, young girls were like a breath of fresh air; they're open minded, free spirited, etc., and that can be fun to be around.

But lately I am just not that into them. They are mostly pretty stupid, bad in bed, and never seem to have anything interesting to say.

It takes herculean effort to move interactions forward, and they have no idea how to act around men.

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I know, I know, I should just bang them and be done with it. But it is exhausting and takes mental energy to be around these young chicks.

Lately I've been having more positive and more rewarding interactions with girls in the 25-28 age range.

These girls tend to be a bit more down to earth, level headed, and are easier to be around. A lot of them want to cook for me, or go on trips with me, or do nice things for me.

The sex is better too, since most mid to late-20's girls have been in long term relationships where they learned how to fuck.

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I know I'm rambling a bit here, but does anyone else feel this way? Or have I lost my mind?

BlurredSevens I feel your pain. I deal with it for that sweet 18 year old poon nectar, but I'm wearing thin and have been targeting 21-23 year olds more. They know how to socialize since they've been hitting the bars and are better in bed.

I've tried off and on targeting the 18-20 crowd and my experience has been the same. I just want to shoot myself due to their horrible social and conversational skills. For me the sweet spot is 24-27 years old. A lot of these women are just as hot and young looking as their teen counterparts but they bring so much more life experience to the table.

(06-10-2015 12:05 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  .....

I know, I know, I should just bang them and be done with it. But it is exhausting and takes mental energy to be around these young chicks.

Lately I've been having more positive and more rewarding interactions with girls in the 25-28 age range.

These girls tend to be a bit more down to earth, level headed, and are easier to be around. A lot of them want to cook for me, or go on trips with me, or do nice things for me.

Well yeah....they're looking for a husband and selling themselves on it. "Hey look I can cook, clean, and fuck you good."

They realize mother nature is calling so they relax their standards, become more friendly, they care more, nurture more, offer more. For a suitable mate to have children and lock down for support.



Don't be surprised if you're just there to bang and they try to leap into an LTR with the "what are we" convo soon. Unless of course they're Career Whores.

Most young girls don't give a shit, are just thirsty for attention, get fucked and move on. My plates are 18, 20, 21,19 - my LTR is 23.

The plates love a good fuck, 2 of the 4 are in the "what are we" stages, but I always change the subject and fuck them. The other 2 are just dick loving sluts. My LTR is a loving relationship.

Quote:The sex is better too, since most mid to late-20's girls have been in long term relationships where they learned how to fuck.

Sure it might be LTR experience or....



If I'm only fucking - I'd rather have the younger girls, always new, always tight, always fun.

If I'm looking for an LTR then yes I'd hop into an older bracket.

Fortunately I can enjoy both....for now.

(06-09-2015 01:12 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  As always, solid point Gio.

At what point do you draw the line at her sharing info about herself, vs a narcissistic girl that just likes to talk about herself?

When she denies me sexually.

In other words, if I'm banging her or if I think I have a reasonable chance of banging her, I am more inclined to listen.

(Of course, as I listen, I am not absorbing or internalizing any of her negative emotion and I am always trying to appear non-needy, non-desperate, etc -- while at the same time -- trying to display an attractive vibe and sense of humor)

However, if I feel that I dont have a chance to bang her, I will likely not even talk to her.

The higher the possibility of sex, the higher the likelihood of me listening. The lower the possibility of sex, the less the likelihood of me listening.

In your case, again, because it was your first time talking to the girl, I would have erred on the side of listening.

(06-09-2015 02:01 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  On one hand it's good to get a woman to talk about herself but on the other I don't want to be the emotional tampon.

Sometimes, listening to women can be beneficial, especially, in the early stages of the seduction..

But..

Do Not Absord or Internalize Their Negative Emotion!!!

We must learn to detach our emotions from these trivial conversations with women. We are in control of our emotions! We must not allow other people, woman or man, to disturb our inner tranquility so easily!

For me, its no different from going to work -- I am not emotionally attached to every little thing my co-workers say and do.

Or, around my family and friends -- I am emotionally attached to every little comment.

Or, on the sports field -- I am not emotionally attached to every little play or call from the referee.

Play around with your "emotional antennae", learn to turn if off when dealing with complainers, losers, fools, and the women you are casually trying to bang.

I found my new way to get girls over to the crib in the summer. Works well for getting multiple girls over to hook up some of your boys.

Come over and let's have a squirt gun fight at my pool.
(I live at an apartment complex with a pool)

Works well and the squirt gun fight is always fun.

Does anyone else not put up with LMR?

If I can get some kino at the bar, enough alcohol in her, and bring her to my house around that time, and STILL get a few "no I don't want to have sex tonight" while we're going at it, I just say fuck it, get a blow job if I can, and then leave. I read these posts about guys trying to "tackle" LMR for hour or so and I think "damn doesn't this guy have better things to do?"

No offense meant towards those guys, but I don't care that much. I have her number....I'll call her and smash next time. No big deal.

Would like to hear other opinions. Maybe I'm losing girls because I'm not banging. Who knows.

To me it's do or die, I don't know how to explain it, almost every single girl that I suggest roll to my house after the bar is a bang. I'd say maybe 5 at the most weren't.

To me it's a challenge, it doesn't take the long, usually can tell if it's legit or not. I know when to stop and know when to ramp it up.

I've never settled for a blowjob, it's bang or nothing. I guess a BJ could bridge the next date for the full on bang.

There's nothing wrong with not caring about it, you're playing it cool, saying I don't give a fuck if we fuck or not.

However yes, it could lead to not getting bangs and a second date OR it could push you to have a second date.

How many first dates have you had where you brought a girl home and didn't bang ?

Of those girls, how many did you get a second date with and/or banged ?

(06-09-2015 12:14 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 10:51 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  I need to grab control of the convo and not let her talk about boring shit.

She is talking about herself. It may be boring to you but it certainly isn't boring to her.

Personally, I would just let her talk. Especially, if its your first time talking to her.

When a woman talks and shares information about herself:

A: She often feels an emotional connection towards the listener
B: She reveals valuable information about her life, likes, interests, attitude, etc.

This allows you to build trust and comfort while at the same time gives you data with which you can build from and use to stimulate future conversations.

Don't be in a rush to talk. Be a good listener. Let her express herself emotionally. Take notes.

Instead of rambling ourselves, its often better to let the girl ramble.

Just a thought..

I agree. If you want the bang, she should be talking about herself the vast majority of the time. Feign interest. Ask her follow up questions. The more she talks, as Gio says, the more emotional connection she'll feel toward you.

Painful as it is to listen to some women, if you want the poon, this is the price to be paid. I've had girls say to me before " I dated this guy...why do so many guys like to talk about themselves? "

or " what does it mean when a guy always talks about his work."

Translation: On a date I want to talk about ME. I don't want to hear about him.

Now of course, girls will start to ask you about yourself when they're attracted. The key, I think, is not to force it on them or try to"take control of the conversation " to talk about something that interests you as a man, as this could be a recipe for drying up her snatch before you give yourself a chance.

Talking about interesting mentally stimulating subjects is what you do with your friends and perhaps, girlfriend.

Many American women are selfish and self important. They want to talk about themselves. If they're hot and they're talking to you about themselves...don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Let them. Try to leverage this to your advantage and angle it to getting her isolated/on a date.

Here's a Paul Janka ( uber famous NYC PUA ) quote:

"On dates, I rarely talk, listen a lot, touch often, and get laid frequently."

(06-10-2015 03:42 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  For me, its no different from going to work -- I am not emotionally attached to every little thing my co-workers say and do.

Or, around my family and friends -- I am emotionally attached to every little comment.

Or, on the sports field -- I am not emotionally attached to every little play or call from the referee.

Play around with your "emotional antennae", learn to turn if off when dealing with complainers, losers, fools, and the women you are casually trying to bang.

This is a great analogy, and should be lock step with everyone's game here. More fantastic advice GIO.

(06-10-2015 06:46 PM)redbeard Wrote:  Does anyone else not put up with LMR?

If I can get some kino at the bar, enough alcohol in her, and bring her to my house around that time, and STILL get a few "no I don't want to have sex tonight" while we're going at it, I just say fuck it, get a blow job if I can, and then leave. I read these posts about guys trying to "tackle" LMR for hour or so and I think "damn doesn't this guy have better things to do?"

No offense meant towards those guys, but I don't care that much. I have her number....I'll call her and smash next time. No big deal.

Would like to hear other opinions. Maybe I'm losing girls because I'm not banging. Who knows.

Yea, I'm past the days of grinding out LMR to no ends. Agreed that if they're going to come around, it can happen as much as a month+ down the road if need be. I'm pretty clear about my sexual intentions.

The flip side of the LMR grinders is the very fact you seem to not give 2 shits once she keeps up with the LMR, is often the very reason (non-neediness) you get the lay for round 2.

(06-10-2015 03:42 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:12 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  As always, solid point Gio.

At what point do you draw the line at her sharing info about herself, vs a narcissistic girl that just likes to talk about herself?

When she denies me sexually.

In other words, if I'm banging her or if I think I have a reasonable chance of banging her, I am more inclined to listen.

(Of course, as I listen, I am not absorbing or internalizing any of her negative emotion and I am always trying to appear non-needy, non-desperate, etc -- while at the same time -- trying to display an attractive vibe and sense of humor)

However, if I feel that I dont have a chance to bang her, I will likely not even talk to her.

The higher the possibility of sex, the higher the likelihood of me listening. The lower the possibility of sex, the less the likelihood of me listening.

In your case, again, because it was your first time talking to the girl, I would have erred on the side of listening.

(06-09-2015 02:01 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  On one hand it's good to get a woman to talk about herself but on the other I don't want to be the emotional tampon.

Sometimes, listening to women can be beneficial, especially, in the early stages of the seduction..

But..

Do Not Absord or Internalize Their Negative Emotion!!!

We must learn to detach our emotions from these trivial conversations with women. We are in control of our emotions! We must not allow other people, woman or man, to disturb our inner tranquility so easily!

For me, its no different from going to work -- I am not emotionally attached to every little thing my co-workers say and do.

Or, around my family and friends -- I am emotionally attached to every little comment.

Or, on the sports field -- I am not emotionally attached to every little play or call from the referee.

Play around with your "emotional antennae", learn to turn if off when dealing with complainers, losers, fools, and the women you are casually trying to bang.

Well, Gio was right.

Got the +1 tonight with her. After listening to lots and lots of psychobabble bullshit.

She was a little distant and wouldn't shut up about herself. But as soon as I went for the makeout, she turned into a fucking nympho.

Lesson learned: shut up and listen.

If you want to read/understand the hampster here it is:

https://ivehitthat.wordpress.com/

:-(

I was caught flirting on my friend's friend. And she knew that her cousin and I are in a relationship. How do I deal with this situation?

(06-12-2015 04:17 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  I was caught flirting on my friend's friend. And she knew that her cousin and I are in a relationship. How do I deal with this situation?

You should be so lucky. What's the problem.

(06-12-2015 04:17 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  I was caught flirting on my friend's friend. And she knew that her cousin and I are in a relationship. How do I deal with this situation?

My girl tells me I flirt with every woman I meet, in front of her.

It's not true...I flirt with every attractive woman I meet.

She pretends to hate it but secretly loves the fact that her man doesn't concern himself with whether she approves or not and that other women are happy to go along with it.

Take it as a compliment and don't stop.

I'm still banned from the one of the hottest spots in my hometown. Live in medium sized Midwestern city and a month and a half ago some girls told security I was creeping, the head guy knows me by name, he bans me for a week. I then come back a week later and he tells me to behave at the beginning of the night and then I pull a girl and as I am walking out he grabs her and says sweetheart do you know this guy? She says ya and we continue out. Come back next week and he won't let me in, this was a month ago, said that's not good for business, I ask him if I am permanently banned, he says no but I shouldn't come back for a while. I try going in last night and he shakes his head. Good reminder as to why it is so important for me to move, along with some baggage I have in my hometown that keeps me back, done with college in august and I am out of here.

(06-12-2015 10:49 AM)ATOWN Wrote:  I'm still banned from the one of the hottest spots in my hometown. Live in medium sized Midwestern city and a month and a half ago some girls told security I was creeping, the head guy knows me by name, he bans me for a week. I then come back a week later and he tells me to behave at the beginning of the night and then I pull a girl and as I am walking out he grabs her and says sweetheart do you know this guy? She says ya and we continue out. Come back next week and he won't let me in, this was a month ago, said that's not good for business, I ask him if I am permanently banned, he says no but I shouldn't come back for a while. I try going in last night and he shakes his head. Good reminder as to why it is so important for me to move, along with some baggage I have in my hometown that keeps me back, done with college in august and I am out of here.

Sounds like he's a hater. See if you can turn him into a fan.

I had a drink date last night with another OKC girl. Asian, only 4'9. Her body looked ok, a little chubby but her face was way more fat than her photos indicated. I knew she would be nothing more than a bang at best so I steered the date towards sexual topics, the fact I didn't want any kind of committed relationship and other qualifying topics to set the frame that it would be nothing more than casual. We wrap up our drink and I say let's head to my place for a nightcap. She kind of hesitates and then says:

"So you know why I was a few minutes late to our date?"
"Why?"
"My friend broke the key to his car in the ignition and he needed my tiny fingers to pull out the broken key. But now he can't drive his car until he sees the locksmith tomorrow"
"Bummer..."
"Yeah, he actually has my car and drove me to the date tonight..."
"LOL no way!"
"Yeah, so if you were planning on walking me to my car that's why there will be a dude in the driver's seat"



So before we got to the parking lot I grabbed her, pulled her in and kissed her while gripping the back of her head and hair. I think she had a mini orgasm just from that alone. She goes "god, I really wish I could have that drink now" I smirk and say "next time" and head off to my car...

LMAO.

Meanwhile the orbiter waiting on his friend on a date:

Heart filled with rage and sorrow after seeing her walk up to the car in a state of euphoria with a smile.

Then begins to blab about how great the date went and how she can't wait to hook up with her date.

Orbiter drives in silence listening to her blab on - only to think nay hope, that one day he'll get to have relations with her.

(06-12-2015 12:23 PM)kaotic Wrote:  LMAO.

Meanwhile the orbiter waiting on his friend on a date:

Heart filled with rage and sorrow after seeing her walk up to the car in a state of euphoria with a smile.

Then begins to blab about how great the date went and how she can't wait to hook up with her date.

Orbiter drives in silence listening to her blab on - only to think nay hope, that one day he'll get to have relations with her.

LMAO pretty much Kaotic! We're on kik messenger as I type this and she's telling me how she likes to get fucked extra rough and most guys aren't dominating enough to handle her. Oh and she's coming over Sunday night for drinks