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Dalaran1991 · 2015-05-29 03:36:00 · #5451
@Aggreddor: are we talking salsa dance here or just regular dance club?

Regardless if running regular dance game it is very important to pick a good venue. Bad venues have bad ratio, the guys are lame and aggressive, most girls go there for attention whoring not to dance. What the fuck with girls going to salsa clubs to dance with each other nowadays????

I have much better ROI once I have some venues on locked down. In fact approach-date conversion rate has been 7/8 lately with NO flake.

You need to be in your elements. Fuck "my dance game is shit", horrible attitude. Dance game above everything else requires a good vibe and good energy. You cant go to dance for the sole purpose of gaming, girls smell that. Go there and have a good time, then if a girl pleases you grab her for some extra moves then tell her to tag along next time "hey Im heading up this awesome dance venue this weekend, you wanna come?" If you are feeling bold "its hot here, lets go get some air and drink"

As funny as it is every time I go out "just to dance" I ended up getting numbers and date. Last Mon was rough at work, I came back, down 2 cocktails and head to the dance floor thinking "Im too tired to game, lets just dance". Got numbers from the 2 hottest 20 yo there and took them on dates that week. Didnt close yet but we will see.

I took one of them to a locked down venue where I see a very beautiful Russian regular there. This girl used to give me the attitude but that night she kept asking me to dance while I was with my date.

Bitches be crazy throwing themselves at you when you are unavailable....

Au contraire every time I go on the prowl girls just blow me off.

I dont even bother asking why anymore. Just do what works and ditch the rest.
RougeNoir · 2015-05-29 09:45:00 · #5452
I got zero'd out in Miami this past weekend. I decided to go against the advice of the forum and go to MIA during Memorial Day weekend as a spur of the moment trip since I am black. Nevertheless, it was much tougher than expected. I at least got a makeout with a New Yorican who was an 8. Club Story sucked but was only a $40 cover charge but with $18 drinks. I drank beforehand in anticipation.

It was so sad the amount of thirst that was out there. There was one guy who bought a woman a drink at the corner store because she said she was thirsty. She hugged him then she left. He was apparently satisfied by smiling. Haha. That same night was very tough in which I was nearly invisible to the women. The day we left was daygame galore though. Women were just very open to small talk especially at that Sasua Restaurant on Collins. If it wasn't for that, I would write MIA off for a while. Still want to do New York first before I go back to MIA.
Checkmat · 2015-05-30 17:21:00 · #5453
I've noticed a trend with girls on first dates.

Per Bang, I always show up 10-15 minutes late. More and more, this is becoming increasing difficult because girls show up late too. So I end up waiting in my car, 20-30 minutes later than the agreed upon meet time, waiting for them to show up first and get the "I'm here" text. Then I roll up a minute later. But that's beside the point...

What I've noticed is, that girls who get to the venue and wait outside for me end up being sweeter and overall better dates. Most of the time if I come to the venue and she has already ordered a drink and is sitting there playing on her phone, she won't get up to offer a hug and will turn out to be a bust more often than not. Two girls that did this turned out to be so obnoxious that I didn't even pursue a bang or makeout--I left early completely turned off by their personalities.

It's not a 100% hard and fast rule, but definitely a trend in the 80% direction. Has anyone else noticed this?
Dalaran1991 · 2015-06-01 08:24:00 · #5454
This weekend fucking blew my mind.

Im still not sure whats happening or if life is playing some fuck tease with me. I don’t want to speak too soon so I ll hold out on the details for now, but hear me out gents.

Lets say you find a girl that check all the boxes attraction-wise. She is innocent and inexperienced, and a virgin. You enjoy every minute spent with her. Feeling is mutual.

But you know that its gonna end because you want to play the field. You will leave her. Or you will cheat, whatever. And you also know for damn sure that its gonna break her heart.

Heartise talked about this before. There s no leaving a girl better than you found her.

I have no problems pump and dump sluts, in fact just enjoyed doing that with my last plate. But a girl whom you can look in the eyes and see it brightens up with the thoughts of you… And you know that your experience with her will pretty much leave a defining mark on her life. I just cant fucking do it.

Im set in the player way and that was how I broke up with my last LTR who did nothing wrong to me. I just have to play the field. I never looked back but I know that I don’t want to go out and break a girl’s heart, at least not someone who doesn’t deserve it.

Just what would you do? Do you LTR her up and let things happen? Or do you try to tell her all the “terms and conditions” at the beginning?

A week before I would be the first one who would say “You are not responsible for what happen to the girls you bang. If you don’t break her heart, someone might anyway, so might well better be you”

Now I just don’t know.

Fuck it Im too young to think about this shit.
Comte De St. Germain · 2015-06-01 11:57:00 · #5455
(06-01-2015 08:24 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  This weekend fucking blew my mind.

Im still not sure whats happening or if life is playing some fuck tease with me. I don’t want to speak too soon so I ll hold out on the details for now, but hear me out gents.

Lets say you find a girl that check all the boxes attraction-wise. She is innocent and inexperienced, and a virgin. You enjoy every minute spent with her. Feeling is mutual.

But you know that its gonna end because you want to play the field. You will leave her. Or you will cheat, whatever. And you also know for damn sure that its gonna break her heart.

Heartise talked about this before. There s no leaving a girl better than you found her.

I have no problems pump and dump sluts, in fact just enjoyed doing that with my last plate. But a girl whom you can look in the eyes and see it brightens up with the thoughts of you… And you know that your experience with her will pretty much leave a defining mark on her life. I just cant fucking do it.

Im set in the player way and that was how I broke up with my last LTR who did nothing wrong to me. I just have to play the field. I never looked back but I know that I don’t want to go out and break a girl’s heart, at least not someone who doesn’t deserve it.

Just what would you do? Do you LTR her up and let things happen? Or do you try to tell her all the “terms and conditions” at the beginning?

A week before I would be the first one who would say “You are not responsible for what happen to the girls you bang. If you don’t break her heart, someone might anyway, so might well better be you”

Now I just don’t know.

Fuck it Im too young to think about this shit.

I say why not both. What she does not know will not hurt her. Cherish, preserve, and maintain the love she has for you in the relationship, and spin plates on the side. Very few men can experience this feeling these days.

I say make yourself the gift and give her the best time while it lasts. Leave a positive experience and let it end on positive terms if it does not work out.
kaotic · 2015-06-01 12:44:00 · #5456
Yup, do what I do, keep a cool girl and LTR her. Play the field on the side.

As sad (but not really) as it seems, this might be the only way to stay sane nowadays when it comes to LTR's and a mans sex drive.
MrRoundtree · 2015-06-01 12:58:00 · #5457
I'm with Kaotic, do that at first and then if all these other sluts are just getting mundane and boring and you don't enjoy hunting/fucking randoms anymore stick with the one who makes you happy if she does.
Roardog · 2015-06-02 00:21:00 · #5458
Ditto what the guys above me have said. If you dig her, LTR her up and bang plates on the side. Or add her to your harem.

I've got a plate who had her V plates when I banged her. She's been a great addition to my harem and I haven't had her try and lock me down yet.
Blaze Frazier · 2015-06-02 00:42:00 · #5459
So I'm close to ending things with my main chick. We've been together about eight months.

But ... my birthday is coming up within the month.

With that known, would you...

1. End it before the birthday
2. End it right after the birthday (get the gift and split)
3. Other option
OregonToSoCal · 2015-06-02 01:09:00 · #5460
Like a band aid I would rip it off now and end it. You've already made your decision and putting it off is going to affect how you interact with her. Your demeanor will change and she will pick up on your frame shift. Cut her loose now.
Blaze Frazier · 2015-06-02 01:35:00 · #5461
@OregonToSoCal — I hear you. I was going to end it before she left on her family trip to Europe, but that didn't happen so she returns Tuesday, so it's a week closer to my birthday than it would be if I sent her an email out of the blue now. And I was always told to leave anything better than I found it and that goes with her.
Dalaran1991 · 2015-06-02 08:08:00 · #5462
Thanks everyone for the advice. Like I said, I dont want to speak too soon. I ll report when I get the notch.

I think I already know the answer and its what kaotic and hzuwhere said. After all no one knows the future. No reason worrying about something that might or might not happen.
OregonToSoCal · 2015-06-02 10:07:00 · #5463
I've been on an OKC blitz this last week and gone out almost ever night since Memorial day and now I'm crashing. My energy is crap and I've lost the desire to even bang a new girl. I still find it incredibly difficult to pace myself and naturally want to book every night of the week with someone new but I always pay the price with burnout. I have dates tonight and tomorrow and then I'm going to take a few days off.
MY DETROIT PLAYAS · 2015-06-02 10:55:00 · #5464
(06-02-2015 10:07 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  I've been on an OKC blitz this last week and gone out almost ever night since Memorial day and now I'm crashing. My energy is crap and I've lost the desire to even bang a new girl. I still find it incredibly difficult to pace myself and naturally want to book every night of the week with someone new but I always pay the price with burnout. I have dates tonight and tomorrow and then I'm going to take a few days off.

Are these dates/meet ups leading to bangs or do you feel like you are just spinning your wheels?
OregonToSoCal · 2015-06-02 11:10:00 · #5465
(06-02-2015 10:55 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 10:07 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  I've been on an OKC blitz this last week and gone out almost ever night since Memorial day and now I'm crashing. My energy is crap and I've lost the desire to even bang a new girl. I still find it incredibly difficult to pace myself and naturally want to book every night of the week with someone new but I always pay the price with burnout. I have dates tonight and tomorrow and then I'm going to take a few days off.

Are these dates/meet ups leading to bangs or do you feel like you are just spinning your wheels?

I had three new notches last week and one close call (fingered her but her LMR got the best of her and she bailed) and one date that ended in just a kiss since she had to meet some girlfriends for dinner. When yesterday rolled around I had hit the wall. My energy tanked and banging was the last thing on my mind. I had a first date lined up where we met for ice cream and the girl was getting over being sick so we just hung out for an hour and went our separate ways.

I'm a natural introvert so these binges and crashes are pretty common for me. I just need to manage my going out time and and staying in time better to keep an even keel.
kaotic · 2015-06-02 11:51:00 · #5466
(06-02-2015 11:10 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 10:55 AM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 10:07 AM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  I've been on an OKC blitz this last week and gone out almost ever night since Memorial day and now I'm crashing. My energy is crap and I've lost the desire to even bang a new girl. I still find it incredibly difficult to pace myself and naturally want to book every night of the week with someone new but I always pay the price with burnout. I have dates tonight and tomorrow and then I'm going to take a few days off.

Are these dates/meet ups leading to bangs or do you feel like you are just spinning your wheels?

I had three new notches last week and one close call (fingered her but her LMR got the best of her and she bailed) and one date that ended in just a kiss since she had to meet some girlfriends for dinner. When yesterday rolled around I had hit the wall. My energy tanked and banging was the last thing on my mind. I had a first date lined up where we met for ice cream and the girl was getting over being sick so we just hung out for an hour and went our separate ways.

I'm a natural introvert so these binges and crashes are pretty common for me. I just need to manage my going out time and and staying in time better to keep an even keel.

After my last few bangs/plate bangs (in the last 2 1/2 days) I could barely get a nut out on my main girl last night, she noticed.

I just made an excuse I was tired and hurt myself at the gym (which I did).

Sometimes a man has to rest and chill the fuck out. I feel you on the being burned out once in awhile - I was 2 weeks ago. Now I'm back.
redbeard · 2015-06-02 12:40:00 · #5467
Due to the recent falling out I've had with my main girls...I'm at a point now where I have only one prospect...and she's just a crazy girl passing through who might want the pipe. No one texting me, seeing what I'm doing, nothing. Im also taking a break from tinder, so even that isn't occupying my time.

But...it's kind of nice. I'm gonna take these few days and relax, hit the gym hard, and do whatever. I know since I'm not jerking off, by the time the weekend hits, I'll be horny as fuck and will go out to get some tail. Feels good man.
MrXY · 2015-06-02 15:07:00 · #5468
Banged my fourth girl today at my summer place. Not a new notch but haven't seen her in a while.

I need a nickname for the house.

Pussy Palace? Slut Hut? Player Lair? Chateau de Smash?

I'm open to suggestions.....
Dalaran1991 · 2015-06-02 15:40:00 · #5469
(06-02-2015 03:07 PM)MrXY Wrote:  Banged my fourth girl today at my summer place. Not a new notch but haven't seen her in a while.

I need a nickname for the house.

Pussy Palace? Slut Hut? Player Lair? Chateau de Smash?

I'm open to suggestions.....

I call my place the Palais du Plaisir, or Pleasure Palace.
MY DETROIT PLAYAS · 2015-06-02 15:45:00 · #5470
(06-02-2015 03:07 PM)MrXY Wrote:  Banged my fourth girl today at my summer place. Not a new notch but haven't seen her in a while.

I need a nickname for the house.

Pussy Palace? Slut Hut? Player Lair? Chateau de Smash?

I'm open to suggestions.....

I like Ass Castle or Penetration Palace

Rolls off the tongue...
Dalaran1991 · 2015-06-02 17:17:00 · #5471
Ok, I thought I would wait until I get the notch, but fuck it this might be the strangest and most pleasant thing that ever happened in my game career. I also need some advice.

Grab some popcorn gents....

*****
Beautiful young girl. Imagine your typical brunette 8 cutie, but with Indian eyes. Body is a fucking 8 solid, small boobs but great ass. Face is cute, 7, but gotta give her 8 for long flowing hair. Parisian bitches aint doing this no more. Briefly, one of the most beautiful girls I ever gamed.

She's 20. I did some prying around with bait question. Turned out, her dad is Indian, but of the upper caste, and her mother is a blonde French (eat that IRT!!! Laugh ) And since she said that she looked more like her dad, the guy must be fucking handsome.

She has 2 sisters, her being the youngest. Family is pure traditional patriarchy. She seemed to love her father and guy seems authority figure. Goddamn it bring back traditional fathering...


Approach:

I cold approach the girl in the metro. It was raining and she was running fast past me to get there. While running past me she turned around and smiled at me. I actually arrived at the station before her and made fun of her for it "no need to run right, you still got here after me" After a bit of banter, got her number.

Send her a text the day after, totally expect a ghost. But she responded enthusiastically.

Date 1:

I expected a flake even though my flake rate has been low lately. I went on the date thinking "bitch shows up 5 min late and Im off gaming" since thats my usual venue anyway. She arrived before me, looking all dolled up.

Great date and great kino, went for the kiss twice but got the cheeks turned. But she felt real feminine and a pleasure to be around. And she lived close to my place, so I offer to walk her home, arm in arm like a gentleman.

Next day she sent a text saying she didnt like the fact that I tried to kiss her because we just met and that she expected to be just friend. You guys know how uncompromising I am with this shit, so I responded, a bit emotionally "too bad we were kicking it off really well but I'm not your clown, farewell" I expected radio silence from her and almost delete her #

7am morning got a text back "A friend is not a clown and I consider you a friend not a clown" Im like, the fuck is this shit. This aint no typical attention whoring behavior.

So I threw some "we were arguing for no reason. Listen if you wanna make it up lets hang out at xyz" A bit of counteroffer and haggling ensure, no date, but she was nice the whole time.

Date 2

Got some solid advice from Noir. I went on another date with her, just to see whats up. Same deal as last time. But this time I pulled away twice. This is a salsa club so if you leave a girl unaccompanied for 1 sec she is as good as gone. But both time I left her she came back to me.

Escorted her home again, tried the kiss. No luck. But she was blushing and giggling.

I was about to call it quit. On Friday I threw out a random text "I'm grabbing food at xyz, you wanna come"

She said she cant but she would love to meet up in the afternoon. Wow.

Date 3:

Again she showed up early. Its a beautiful Saturday, kinda rare in Paris. Took her to my locked down creperie where the waiter was my wingman (I tipped him well and he has seen just about all the girls I've ever gamed. I took them all there) He didnt even need to ask for my order. Huge fucking DHV.

We took a nice long walk in the royal garden in Paris, talking and people watching with her sitting on my lap and her head on my shoulder. Felt really at ease and peaceful. For a long time I'm enjoying a girl company again without having to constantly escalate and thinking about taking her home.

A bit more walking around and I always offer her my arms. She held on dearly and said I'm a gentleman. Before long we were making out lying in the grass. She is a horrible kisser. Called her out on it. Turned out she has only kissed one guy before me, and that went nowhere. Hot 20 yo in Paris and only kissed one guy... yeah go figured. Say I believe her shit, that actually turned me on because heres a cute girl thats not a slut.

The date ended very well and I escorted her home. She wouldnt stop texting me for 2 days.

Date 4:

Yesterday we met again, another romantic time in a beautiful park. I really enjoyed walking with her, felt like the most intimate lovers ever. She is like a cute little kitten in my arms.

She was sitting in my lap kissing me and asks "so the girl in your FB profile, thats your ex?"

I told her no (the truth) then she kept asking how many exes Ive had. This is where it gets tricky. I didnt really prep for this so I just told her I didnt have any real relationship. Then she asked:

"So Im your first girlfriend ever?"



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So...... I have a girlfriend now. Which is fucking awesome to be honest. Fucking hot French girl and a virgin it seems.

Yeah, go figured. I took her home later and we were making out and foreplaying in my room. She told me multiple time that she didnt want to have sex yet. I just keep playing with her and initiate every now and then, but everytime I try to take her clothes off she resisted.

Again she asked if i had sex before. Joked around a bit and said yes. She said she s a virgin. Ok, believable enough.

She asked me what turned me on and did it for me. Then I played with her a bit but she doesnt seem comfortable; She said she doesnt know what turned her on. We keep making out and foreplaying a bit, then I escorted her home because her mom was waiting...

She asked me if I was satisfied. I said yes. She said all the stuff I did to her, she wasnt feeling turned on. I might not be a foreplay master but Im no noob. Then she said this "I went to a movie with a guy and he caresses my leg and it turned me on much more than what we did"

In my head I was like "the fuck did I just hear?" But I just laughed and said "ok I'll caress your leg from now on then"

Made out again before she got up to her room, but I felt she was a bit more distant. Or might just be my imagination.

I thought I was done for. She didnt text me the entire day, so thats bad sign. My game self screams "dont you fucking text her. Dont you dare" But my inner self cant help it. Sent her a text asking how her day was. She responded in kind, but added:

"I couldnt sleep, I kept thinking about our evening at your place. Its too quick, we've only been together for not even a week and already you tried to bring me home!"

Conclusion:

I talked to my boss at my office (yeap, my boss is my wingman. This is Paris baby Laugh ) and he gave me a lesson on dealing with virgin. Texted her something to calm her down.

I ll see what happen but honestly, I'm quite happy though I'm still scratching my head. I did a lot of things wrong because this girl's femininity kinda pre-empt my player vibe. I cannot use most of my techniques on her because she is so damn fucking innocent, she responded literally to almost every neg except light teasing. Ive been around sluts before and I know this aint one. Reading her childish texts put a smile on my face.

On one hand I kept refusing to believe I found a beautiful 20 yo virgin and want to treat her just like any other girl, that all women are sluts; on the other hand I want to hold on to this with both hands and feet because I just found a fucking unicorn (or a virgin in a Paris nightclub, same thing)


At every turn I expected a negative outcome, and at every turn I'm proven wrong. Maybe blurred7 is right, stop being a negative asshole and the world will start treating you nice.


Sometimes it feels fucking great to be wrong.
kaotic · 2015-06-02 17:38:00 · #5472
Well Dalaran

At first I was like:

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Then you being her second kiss and a virgin:

Whoa

Then you being her man and she being really innocent and feminine:

Agree


This is fan fucking tastic dude, just don't put her on the pedestal.

I can't tell she wants passion, you might not be used to it assuming she was a slut at first.

Clear your head, be a man, LEAD her sexually and in this relationship.

She'll follow you and she'll thank you for it.


YES - get the notch, this will take time, BUT you seem to enjoy her company a lot, so I think you won't get frustrated or impatient.

She's innocent, feminism hasn't corrupted her yet, enjoy it.

Don't burn her, there are enough jaded cunts out there already. (This isn't putting pussy on the pedestal).


Abso fuckin lutely Blurred is right, don't be negative, just be aware, and always have positive vibes !

Keep us updated !
CrashBangWallop · 2015-06-02 17:50:00 · #5473
She could just be a virgin/only kissed one guy before because she's mental and puts up too many hurdles.

Something to consider.
kaotic · 2015-06-02 17:58:00 · #5474
(06-02-2015 05:50 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  She could just be a virgin/only kissed one guy before because she's mental and puts up too many hurdles.

Something to consider.

Clearly I overlooked that aspect in my excitement.

Dalaran,

How old is she? that might shed some light.
Dalaran1991 · 2015-06-02 18:12:00 · #5475
(06-02-2015 05:58 PM)kaotic Wrote:  
(06-02-2015 05:50 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  She could just be a virgin/only kissed one guy before because she's mental and puts up too many hurdles.

Something to consider.

Clearly I overlooked that aspect in my excitement.

Dalaran,

How old is she? that might shed some light.

Kaotic, thanks for the support man. Dont worry, I sleep with one eye open. I'm unable to pedestalize women now. In fact I'm more worried about being in the other extreme who considers all women sluts and inferior to men, which clearly hasnt been doing me any good.

I'll keep things going with this girl and definitely still lining up other date this weekend.

She's 20. Gonna fixed that in OP.

You guys think I would overlook this being the paranoiac I am Laugh ?

I did some prying around with bait question. Turned out, her dad is Indian, but of the upper caste, and her mother is a blonde French (eat that IRT!!! Laugh ) And since she said that she looked more like her dad, the guy must be fucking handsome.

She has 2 sisters, her being the youngest. Family is pure traditional patriarchy. She seemed to love her father and guy seems authoritative. Goddamn it bring back traditional fathering...

Her mom keeps all the daughters in a short least. EVERY FUCKING DATE we went on I have to bring her back before 11 because that's a curfew. And its not fake. Her mom calls her or vice versa every time.

The other day she told me "

"I told my mom and eldest sister I have a boyfriend now"
Me "So, what did they say"
"They are happy, because I've been talking about wanting a boyfriend since forever. My sisters all got a boyfriend once in their lives except me"

So, I might actually be her first BF. I'm not taking that title until I get the notch, but I can play along. And since her mother approves, it might not be too difficult to get the notch, just gotta figure out the logistic.

Me "so, a beautiful girl at 20 yo, and never got a BF? You must be even more of a pain in the ass than I first thought!"
Her "No! Because I only run into some jerks and not a gentleman"

Sounds like chick logic, but assuming her traditional upbringing its probably true that she inherited that mindset.

Went through all her pics. Not one party/suspicious pictures. Went to her friends FB and check photos of her. Found nothing except some arm around neck with some really beta looking dude. Doesnt take half a sec to see that he is deep in the FZ in the comments.

I make sure that if I ever gonna have to invest the girl better damn well be worth it. But usually good father + traditional upbringing = good girl mold.

Seriously, I would take curfew+controlling parents=good feminine girls over personal freedom = sluts any day.

Once I get the notch I'll post her pictures up here Wink then I can proudly stand next to you high roller Big Grin
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