Shit that's gold. Same thing happened to me when I went into the room with this one girl and I literally meet her boyfriend in the room Ashe heads out. Just looking down and not even questioning why we were going to be in the room alone.

(06-12-2015 01:14 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  Shit that's gold. Same thing happened to me when I went into the room with this one girl and I literally meet her boyfriend in the room Ashe heads out. Just looking down and not even questioning why we were going to be in the room alone.

And then what happened? Don't leave me hanging bro

Starting to think guys dominating chicks in the bedroom is a rarity these days

Just had this Puerto Rican telling last night how she wants to be dominated for a change

Most times, I just sit back and ask questions and let them get worked up on their own. Sometimes their imagination (coupled with your non-judgement) will do all the work for you

(06-12-2015 01:32 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Most times, I just sit back and ask questions and let them get worked up on their own. Sometimes their imagination (coupled with your non-judgement) will do all the work for you

This! I've had a lot of first dates where the subject inevitably turns to sex and the women will mention how most guys are really awkward or afraid to even talk about anything sexual. I always follow that up with mock surprise and say how I can't believe men can be that way and then encourage them to keep going. That's often all that's needed to start the snowball down the hill...

(06-12-2015 01:45 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 01:32 PM)MY DETROIT PLAYAS Wrote:  Most times, I just sit back and ask questions and let them get worked up on their own. Sometimes their imagination (coupled with your non-judgement) will do all the work for you

This! I've had a lot of first dates where the subject inevitably turns to sex and the women will mention how most guys are really awkward or afraid to even talk about anything sexual. I always follow that up with mock surprise and say how I can't believe men can be that way and then encourage them to keep going. That's often all that's needed to start the snowball down the hill...

Love that shit

You know how I always start it ?

"You know I'm beginning to realize men are acting like women and women are acting like men"

-insert a few red pill joke/truths with smirks-

Next thing you know you're talk about relationships>sex>dominance>fetishes

It works every time and and "every conversation always leads to sex, it's how we're biologically programmed'

If she's worked up I might throw in an ass slap or hair pull.

(06-12-2015 04:16 PM)kaotic Wrote:  "You know I'm beginning to realize men are acting like women and women are acting like men"

It's funny you mention that because I think my date said that phrase almost verbatim last night. I'm stealing it for future dates!

(06-12-2015 01:16 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 01:14 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  Shit that's gold. Same thing happened to me when I went into the room with this one girl and I literally meet her boyfriend in the room Ashe heads out. Just looking down and not even questioning why we were going to be in the room alone.

And then what happened? Don't leave me hanging bro

This was the macaroni girl I posted the other week and the reason I didn't post it up till you mentioned something earlier.

(06-12-2015 10:43 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 04:17 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  I was caught flirting on my friend's friend. And she knew that her cousin and I are in a relationship. How do I deal with this situation?

My girl tells me I flirt with every woman I meet, in front of her.

It's not true...I flirt with every attractive woman I meet.

She pretends to hate it but secretly loves the fact that her man doesn't concern himself with whether she approves or not and that other women are happy to go along with it.

Take it as a compliment and don't stop.

She told me that end it or I will finish it for you. She wants to let me break up with her cousin.

(06-14-2015 01:46 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:43 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 04:17 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  I was caught flirting on my friend's friend. And she knew that her cousin and I are in a relationship. How do I deal with this situation?

My girl tells me I flirt with every woman I meet, in front of her.

It's not true...I flirt with every attractive woman I meet.

She pretends to hate it but secretly loves the fact that her man doesn't concern himself with whether she approves or not and that other women are happy to go along with it.

Take it as a compliment and don't stop.

She told me that end it or I will finish it for you. She wants to let me break up with her cousin.

I wouldn't give a fuck just say "k" and walk off. She has no power over you.

By chance I found myself staying at a high-end hotel last night, so I call a girl over to the neighborhood. Lots of sexual tension in this date. She was joking that I would find out she was secretly like Bruce Jenner.

Lots of heavy escalation, but I think I made a big mistake.

My first mistake was that we ventured too far from my place. I should have just taken her someplace near my hotel then to the hotel bar. I think I was a bit too overt with what I wanted her to do as well ("we're gonna watch something.")

She throws a major shit test my way at the second venue, asking me how many girls I've been with.

I told her I'd been with 5,000,003.

She's persistent. I turn it around on her. She's still persistent.

(Yeah, I'm really gonna tell you this.)

I just kept deflecting. I then yanked her hand up and said we were leaving. She left with me but got cold feet after that.

Ultimately I think that my normally shitty logistics made me too hasty and eager to close this deal, which I thought was a sure shot because she sent a picture of herself in bed a while back. Oh well.

We'll see what happens down the line. Just want to alert my fellow new players to not make some of these mistakes, and definitely take care of your logistics. They effect your frame a lot. That's my big goal for the year.

(06-12-2015 10:43 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 04:17 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  I was caught flirting on my friend's friend. And she knew that her cousin and I are in a relationship. How do I deal with this situation?

My girl tells me I flirt with every woman I meet, in front of her.

It's not true...I flirt with every attractive woman I meet.

She pretends to hate it but secretly loves the fact that her man doesn't concern himself with whether she approves or not and that other women are happy to go along with it.

Take it as a compliment and don't stop.

I've had the same accusations. It's a great way to gauge how insecure a woman is how she acts when you open flirt with other women. You can't make them jealous or look bad if the girl you're flirting with isn't close to their level of looks.

If I'm out with an 8, I don't flirt with 6s a lot. But 7s on up will get to them. If your flirt mechanism is solid, she'll realize just how easily she could be replaced, and that may increase your SMV in her eyes, thus keep her around a bit longer.

(06-14-2015 12:22 PM)Libertas Wrote:  By chance I found myself staying at a high-end hotel last night, so I call a girl over to the neighborhood. Lots of sexual tension in this date. She was joking that I would find out she was secretly like Bruce Jenner.

Lots of heavy escalation, but I think I made a big mistake.

My first mistake was that we ventured too far from my place. I should have just taken her someplace near my hotel then to the hotel bar. I think I was a bit too overt with what I wanted her to do as well ("we're gonna watch something.")

She throws a major shit test my way at the second venue, asking me how many girls I've been with.

I told her I'd been with 5,000,003.

She's persistent. I turn it around on her. She's still persistent.

(Yeah, I'm really gonna tell you this.)

I just kept deflecting. I then yanked her hand up and said we were leaving. She left with me but got cold feet after that.

Ultimately I think that my normally shitty logistics made me too hasty and eager to close this deal, which I thought was a sure shot because she sent a picture of herself in bed a while back. Oh well.

We'll see what happens down the line. Just want to alert my fellow new players to not make some of these mistakes, and definitely take care of your logistics. They effect your frame a lot. That's my big goal for the year.

So you're saying bad logistics caused you to spit bad game. Because your hotel was too far from where you were at? I'd think that the bad logistics themselves would have fucked you. How did it effect your game?

I don't think it caused me to spit bad game per se, I just don't think I was as good as I otherwise would have been. There was also the fact that my logistical situation was only temporary so I was basically in a more urgent frame of mind to close the deal then and there, whereas if I had normally good logistics I would have taken the setbacks more in stride.

Yeah, I do think it was a bit too far to keep the frame going strong.

Just about to close out 2 harem girls - Jariel made me call myself out.

The cute black girl won't take this lightly - even thought she knows I'm busy and can't maintain a relationship.

The blondie booty - well we already talked today.

I decided we need to take a step back and not call it anything and put a halt to it - fortunately she's very open to hanging out of course she now knows we aren't anything.

I actually might not pursue that - I have a feeling it'll just jumpstart her emotions again. Actually who am I kidding, it WILL jumpstart it.

Upside is - it gives me more free time to do more cardio and lifting. Along with getting hungry to game more girls.


On a funny side note I found out my last serious ex - the reason I'm here on this forum - is now engaged.

May god help that soul who coughed up that engagement ring.

The odd thing is she messaging my friends STILL and trying to hang out with them.

In particular one of my closest friends wives - I'm not sure why she's reaching out to her- I did remember she would have new BFF's all the time.

Females are strange creatures.

Got a new regular but fear I set a bad precedent.

In the span of a few dates I've paid for every thing this bitch has put in her mouth. From entrees to drinks to taco bell ("I'm hungry") and food from my house. This chick has not said "thank you" once. She has never offered to pay a dime.

I have to stop this wallet abuse. I don't want to make a formal statement so I think the next time she asks me to get her food or drinks or something I'm gonna say, "No. It's not in the budget."

Which is sort of true because I do have a budget and I'm working on getting out of debt.

She is in school and makes like $50 per week part-time.

Anyone been in a similar situation where you let things slide early on too much?

(06-14-2015 10:04 PM)Checkmat Wrote:  Got a new regular but fear I set a bad precedent.

In the span of a few dates I've paid for every thing this bitch has put in her mouth. From entrees to drinks to taco bell ("I'm hungry") and food from my house. This chick has not said "thank you" once. She has never offered to pay a dime.

I have to stop this wallet abuse. I don't want to make a formal statement so I think the next time she asks me to get her food or drinks or something I'm gonna say, "No. It's not in the budget."

Which is sort of true because I do have a budget and I'm working on getting out of debt.

She is in school and makes like $50 per week part-time.

Anyone been in a similar situation where you let things slide early on too much?

Next time you're out try saying "this ones on you" with a smirk. Or if you have to order and pay at the same time, order and pay for only your food.
If it's a combined cheque ask the waiter/cashier if you can split it.
Lastly just don't eat yourself, say you're not hungry.

Either way it's a bad precedent to set early on and you need to break it. I have a 19 year old plate who I'll pay for sometimes because shes studying and doesn't earn much but I still make her pay her share most of the time.

Possibly one of the lowest days in my time with game. Matched with a really hot 8 half-Asian half-white girl on Coffee Meets Bagel.

She is so excited to meet me, messages back instantly to everything. We set up a meet for the very next afternoon. Excellent, seems like maximum flake avoidance.

Meet up the next day, fuck she's wearing tight jean shorts and a skimpy black tank. We get to talking and eventually walking and that's where things fall apart.

After about 30 minutes of talking I take her hand and hold it as we walk along. Didn't say anything or ask to, just did it. That was very good escalation and I'm very pleased with my confidence there.

My goddamn kryptonite was running out of things to say and talk about. In my haste to try and avoid awkward silences with this girl that I wanted so badly, I committed two cardinal sins: talking too much about myself and going into interview mode.

This could have been entirely avoided, actually. I really hit interview mode hard by refusing to take a natural break point where she was going to walk to meet some friends. I insisted on walking with her and in doing so extended the walking time by an hour, completely exhausting avenues of conversation.

I could have walked away, coy, and preserved a serious air of interest and mystery or next time.

I also attempted a kiss close in public which I am bashing myself over the skull with. Only after I took the goggles off did I remember Roissy saying that guys go for kiss closes in a vain attempt to build attraction. Suffice it to say, it didn't work, and she hasn't texted back. A very sad next.

Lessons learned, I have another "quick" date set up with a cold daygame approach Tuesday afternoon, but damn if it isn't hard to develop just a little bit of oneitis for this one.

(06-14-2015 12:33 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 10:43 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(06-12-2015 04:17 AM)dassad5a5 Wrote:  I was caught flirting on my friend's friend. And she knew that her cousin and I are in a relationship. How do I deal with this situation?

My girl tells me I flirt with every woman I meet, in front of her.

It's not true...I flirt with every attractive woman I meet.

She pretends to hate it but secretly loves the fact that her man doesn't concern himself with whether she approves or not and that other women are happy to go along with it.

Take it as a compliment and don't stop.

I've had the same accusations. It's a great way to gauge how insecure a woman is how she acts when you open flirt with other women. You can't make them jealous or look bad if the girl you're flirting with isn't close to their level of looks.

If I'm out with an 8, I don't flirt with 6s a lot. But 7s on up will get to them. If your flirt mechanism is solid, she'll realize just how easily she could be replaced, and that may increase your SMV in her eyes, thus keep her around a bit longer.

She might say to her cousin that I flirted with her friend?

@swuglyfe
1. There's no such thing as a kiss close.

2. Who the fuck gets oneitis for a girl they haven't banged and that they just met?

3. If you left without even trying for a kiss a bit earlier you would just be another friend. If she doesn't put out for shit I would never contact her unless she hurriedly contacts you.

4. The only time you can regret these things is when she's playing footsy under the table, but you don't chase your friends off and instead lay their high as a kite like I did recently.

5. Holding hands is horrible escalation your hand should be on her ass. For fuck's sake man.

@swug you'll come back from it bro. You've talked to some bad ass women so I know that this was just one of those days that your game was a bit off. Looking forward to the write up of the next one.

I've recently had a boost of results in online dating receptiveness. More responses from my profile with okc and a few matches on tinder. One is an 18yr that I number closed early. I'm getting DTF vibes but my text game sucks right now. I want to build comfort but I don't want to be boring. I think it would be safe to just plan something, set up a day and logistics.

(06-15-2015 12:43 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  @swug you'll come back from it bro. You've talked to some bad ass women so I know that this was just one of those days that your game was a bit off. Looking forward to the write up of the next one.

I've recently had a boost of results in online dating receptiveness. More responses from my profile with okc and a few matches on tinder. One is an 18yr that I number closed early. I'm getting DTF vibes but my text game sucks right now. I want to build comfort but I don't want to be boring. I think it would be safe to just plan something, set up a day and logistics.

Did you ever adapt the changes I suggested ? If so how's that going ?

Don't be boring, but don't be overly excited.

My stages are as follows:
-Number close
-send a great intro text
-chat about her day
-talk about work school or career goals
-figure out some logistics, where they go to school, work, places you might of been near there, REMEMBER CONNECT WITH HER
-joke about her being a catfish, jokingly ask for a selfie doing something (peace sign, tongue out, spoon)
-confirm her height and body type from selfie ("well you aren't 6 ft tall" "well you aren't 200 lbs and look athletic)
-ask about sports or the gym (this will give you a good idea about her body)
-ask about her evening schedule the next few days
-if you have free time, slot her in asap by saying ("sounds good, let's meet up on DAY at LOCATION at TIME")
-see if she confirms, counters, or doesn't respond
-follow up day before meet up, follow up a few hours before meet up

(06-15-2015 12:52 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(06-15-2015 12:43 AM)~wrIghter~ Wrote:  @swug you'll come back from it bro. You've talked to some bad ass women so I know that this was just one of those days that your game was a bit off. Looking forward to the write up of the next one.

I've recently had a boost of results in online dating receptiveness. More responses from my profile with okc and a few matches on tinder. One is an 18yr that I number closed early. I'm getting DTF vibes but my text game sucks right now. I want to build comfort but I don't want to be boring. I think it would be safe to just plan something, set up a day and logistics.

Did you ever adapt the changes I suggested ? If so how's that going ?

Don't be boring, but don't be overly excited.

My stages are as follows:
-Number close
-send a great intro text
-chat about her day
-talk about work school or career goals
-figure out some logistics, where they go to school, work, places you might of been near there, REMEMBER CONNECT WITH HER
-joke about her being a catfish, jokingly ask for a selfie doing something (peace sign, tongue out, spoon)
-confirm her height and body type from selfie ("well you aren't 6 ft tall" "well you aren't 200 lbs and look athletic)
-ask about sports or the gym (this will give you a good idea about her body)
-ask about her evening schedule the next few days
-if you have free time, slot her in asap by saying ("sounds good, let's meet up on DAY at LOCATION at TIME")
-see if she confirms, counters, or doesn't respond
-follow up day before meet up, follow up a few hours before meet up

I'll shoot you a link to my revised profile. I definitely adapted the things you mentioned before.

So far I've done 3/7 things on your list. I should have started about her day. From tinder, she mention that she hadn't done much so I proposed changing that, which made it an easy number close.

I'll definitely keep that list in my notes.

(06-15-2015 12:52 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Did you ever adapt the changes I suggested ? If so how's that going ?

Don't be boring, but don't be overly excited.

My stages are as follows:
-Number close
-send a great intro text
-chat about her day
-talk about work school or career goals
-figure out some logistics, where they go to school, work, places you might of been near there, REMEMBER CONNECT WITH HER
-joke about her being a catfish, jokingly ask for a selfie doing something (peace sign, tongue out, spoon)
-confirm her height and body type from selfie ("well you aren't 6 ft tall" "well you aren't 200 lbs and look athletic)
-ask about sports or the gym (this will give you a good idea about her body)
-ask about her evening schedule the next few days
-if you have free time, slot her in asap by saying ("sounds good, let's meet up on DAY at LOCATION at TIME")
-see if she confirms, counters, or doesn't respond
-follow up day before meet up, follow up a few hours before meet up

That is a great sequence Kaotic.

I must admit I don't normally bother with a lot of chit chat before setting up the date. Once I get a girls number I hit her up with something from what we've been talking about online, exchange a few texts and then go straight for asking her when she's free and setting up the date.
I find that if I get into talking about a girls day the conversation loses momentum and you become like everyone else.

(06-14-2015 10:39 PM)swuglyfe Wrote:  After about 30 minutes of talking I take her hand and hold it as we walk along. Didn't say anything or ask to, just did it. That was very good escalation and I'm very pleased with my confidence there.

This is fine to start off with, but you should at least be moving to hold on to her waist by the time the night's done. It's surprisingly easy. I've done this with girls I approached during the day minutes after meeting them.

Quote:My goddamn kryptonite was running out of things to say and talk about.

Who cares? When I was with my girl the other night we often didn't talk at all. More than half the communication was touching and eye contact. She'll eventually say something, then bust on her.

(06-15-2015 12:52 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Don't be boring, but don't be overly excited.

My stages are as follows:
-Number close
-send a great intro text
-chat about her day
-talk about work school or career goals
-figure out some logistics, where they go to school, work, places you might of been near there, REMEMBER CONNECT WITH HER
-joke about her being a catfish, jokingly ask for a selfie doing something (peace sign, tongue out, spoon)
-confirm her height and body type from selfie ("well you aren't 6 ft tall" "well you aren't 200 lbs and look athletic)
-ask about sports or the gym (this will give you a good idea about her body)
-ask about her evening schedule the next few days
-if you have free time, slot her in asap by saying ("sounds good, let's meet up on DAY at LOCATION at TIME")
-see if she confirms, counters, or doesn't respond
-follow up day before meet up, follow up a few hours before meet up

Good list, which I'm sure could work with day game as well for the most part. I've added something new to my repertoire which is to play a little game - I send interesting pictures I took and ask girls if they can figure out where I am. My sample size isn't big enough yet but I think this is good clown game.

Oneitis is probably the wrong word. More of a deep seated disappointment I missed a high quality lay up.

I attempted the hand in her jeans short back pocket but unfortunately it was just too damn small.

I'll send a final text seeing if she wants to hang out after work as if nothing went wrong, and then her numbers out of my phone.