Post: #126

(11-19-2012 01:46 AM)Technics Wrote:  I agree mostly with what slubu wrote. I would just add a few things: 1) Persian girls respond a bit more to guys who are in control/dominant, and especially ready to call them out on bad behavior, 2) They falsely call virgin status more than any other ethnicity I have seen, when you are trying to escalate. Its almost comical. 3) I find them to be pretty sharp socially, meaning they notice little cues in body language and whatnot, and can sense insecurity or can see from a mile away if a guy is checking them out/into them.

Exactly the same for hijabi arabic girls from the middle east (non egyptian/african). Except they can really be virgins, but if they are talking to you behind their family's back they're most likely not if over 23.

Post: #127

(02-02-2015 12:22 PM)Porfirio Rubirosa Wrote:  I wonder whether the Zoroastrian ones are more liberal in their attitudes.

Zoroastrian ones are the same

Post: #128

I spent my almost my entire summer in Lebanon and ended up getting in a relationship with a Christian Lebanese girl. We're no longer together but I can tell you this.

M/E girls are dimes. They have so many qualities over the western woman.
Only problem is.. They are incredibly superficial and will not give you any indications that you're not pleasing them.

You could be earning 6 figures a year and M/E girls and their parents will still think you are not good enough..
They have that attitude that anyone without a degree is a lowlife and shouldn't be trusted.

They will also go out of the way to tell you how open-minded they are and how they are not like the other M/E girls.. You just have to agree with them and seem happy, however much of a lie it is.

Post: #129

Almost all middle eastern girls I have dated have a lot of family involvement. I don't know what it is in particular about Lebanese families but their priority in a future son in law seems to always be education.

You could be a multi millionaire several times over and they will still ask about what degree you have. I have personally seen the letdown look when I tell them I've dropped out of college to be an entrepreneur when visiting some friends of the family. The reaction is like well it's never to late to go back or you should really finish school. The sad reality is that I am better off financially then the majority of them and they still look down at me.

They hold doctors, engineers and teachers in very high regard. In many cases they have a competing with the joneses personality as well.

I was very turned off by this.

Post: #130

There is this fresh off the boat Iranian engineering girl from Tehran in my residence. Seems rather liberal but sticks to her clan all the time. Havent had much of a chance to talk to her. She gave a lot of eye contact initially. She doesn't do that much these days but it now looks like she is either trying to get me to look at her by doing other actions or ignoring me. I tried to not give her too much attention except the 'hi' when seeing her (surrounded by fellow Iranians).

Is she attention whoring/seeking validation? What do you guys think? I look Middle eastern myself but am not.

Due to her tight clique, I might have to wait a while before approaching. Not sure if she is hesitant about opening up much with a foreigner in the presence of her friends.. I am guessing I should continue to ignore her non-verbal cues till I get the opportunity to talk to her?

Are FOB iranian girls heavily into mind games/shit-testing etc. as compared to the average american/aussie girl?


Thanks for the replies.

Post: #131

Go direct, put her on the spot, and tease her.

That should open the lines of communication.

For example

player - "I got a problem with you"
her - huh, what
player - "you're always staring at me. I know i'm beautiful..."

or

Player - "Hey you, come here, I need your opinion"

Or

Whatever you like to open with.

Game 101 - decide who you want to be, set the frame before you step over, step over, get her attention, deliver your opener, game on.

Right now you got a chick giving you obvious signals, but you're pussing out on approaching and breaking the ice.

WIA

(12-06-2015 09:40 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  There is this fresh off the boat Iranian engineering girl from Tehran in my residence. Seems rather liberal but sticks to her clan all the time. Havent had much of a chance to talk to her. She gave a lot of eye contact initially. She doesn't do that much these days but it now looks like she is either trying to get me to look at her by doing other actions or ignoring me. I tried to not give her too much attention except the 'hi' when seeing her (surrounded by fellow Iranians).

Is she attention whoring/seeking validation? What do you guys think? I look Middle eastern myself but am not.

Due to her tight clique, I might have to wait a while before approaching. Not sure if she is hesitant about opening up much with a foreigner in the presence of her friends.. I am guessing I should continue to ignore her non-verbal cues till I get the opportunity to talk to her?

Are FOB iranian girls heavily into mind games/shit-testing etc. as compared to the average american/aussie girl?


Thanks for the replies.

Post: #132

I've actually never met a Persian woman. I've always wanted to get the bang though. A data sheet would be great. Especially for locations outside America.

Post: #133

Yeah I have been with a few Persian women. Yes, they can be very attractive, but they are neurotic.

All over the place, my theory is that these women are stuck between the world of super conservatism vs or being slutty. It seems to make them crazy.

P

Post: #134

I have been with 3 and are drawn to them for any number of reasons. The one in high school I sweated really bad, and then she went crazy when she went to college. A really smart girl from a good family, used to lie like crazy and tell grandiose stories. The other one was just sex crazed and kept us a secret. I am dating another one right now, on and off for over a year. There is another one in my circle right now I want to ask out, but I think we would have to keep it quiet, which is A OK with me.

Post: #135

(12-06-2015 12:17 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Go direct, put her on the spot, and tease her.

That should open the lines of communication.

For example

player - "I got a problem with you"
her - huh, what
player - "you're always staring at me. I know i'm beautiful..."

or

Player - "Hey you, come here, I need your opinion"

Or

Whatever you like to open with.

Game 101 - decide who you want to be, set the frame before you step over, step over, get her attention, deliver your opener, game on.

Right now you got a chick giving you obvious signals, but you're pussing out on approaching and breaking the ice.

WIA

(12-06-2015 09:40 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  There is this fresh off the boat Iranian engineering girl from Tehran in my residence. Seems rather liberal but sticks to her clan all the time. Havent had much of a chance to talk to her. She gave a lot of eye contact initially. She doesn't do that much these days but it now looks like she is either trying to get me to look at her by doing other actions or ignoring me. I tried to not give her too much attention except the 'hi' when seeing her (surrounded by fellow Iranians).

Is she attention whoring/seeking validation? What do you guys think? I look Middle eastern myself but am not.

Due to her tight clique, I might have to wait a while before approaching. Not sure if she is hesitant about opening up much with a foreigner in the presence of her friends.. I am guessing I should continue to ignore her non-verbal cues till I get the opportunity to talk to her?

Are FOB iranian girls heavily into mind games/shit-testing etc. as compared to the average american/aussie girl?


Thanks for the replies.

Not sure if it's approach anxiety holding me back. It's just that she seems very withdrawn when in the company of her male friends so chatting her up when she is by herself appears to be a good idea though I do jest with them as a group at times.


Any ideas for a subsequent meet up where iranian girls are concerned? I never see the girls go out with their male counterparts to pubs/clubs on the weekend. They are more into social drinking with friends. Not much of a cafe culture here as well.

Post: #136

(12-06-2015 07:48 PM)peterfoo22 Wrote:  Yeah I have been with a few Persian women. Yes, they can be very attractive, but they are neurotic.

All over the place, my theory is that these women are stuck between the world of super conservatism vs or being slutty. It seems to make them crazy.

P

Can you describe 'neurotic'? If it's being the 'secretive about things' crazy, then it's ok but if its the 'shit-testing and drama' kind of crazy, then it's much tougher sustaining a relationship unless it's purely sexual.

Post: #137

(12-06-2015 07:48 PM)peterfoo22 Wrote:  Yeah I have been with a few Persian women. Yes, they can be very attractive, but they are neurotic.

All over the place, my theory is that these women are stuck between the world of super conservatism vs or being slutty. It seems to make them crazy.

P

Cosign on neurotic.

WIA

Post: #138

(12-06-2015 09:40 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  There is this fresh off the boat Iranian engineering girl from Tehran in my residence. Seems rather liberal but sticks to her clan all the time. Havent had much of a chance to talk to her. She gave a lot of eye contact initially. She doesn't do that much these days but it now looks like she is either trying to get me to look at her by doing other actions or ignoring me. I tried to not give her too much attention except the 'hi' when seeing her (surrounded by fellow Iranians).

Is she attention whoring/seeking validation? What do you guys think? I look Middle eastern myself but am not.

Due to her tight clique, I might have to wait a while before approaching. Not sure if she is hesitant about opening up much with a foreigner in the presence of her friends.. I am guessing I should continue to ignore her non-verbal cues till I get the opportunity to talk to her?


Thanks for the replies.

Just learnt that these girls can be very unpredictable. This chick just approached me today and started to intro herself and proceeded to ramble in front of all her iranian friends who were having some sort of gathering!

Not sure what kind of an impression I made, was completely taken by surprise. Hope its not her attempt to decide whether I should be friendzoned or to impress some other guy in her circle. And yes, she attempted to portray herself as liberal and open to other races. Was not much interested about me, was just talking about herself for the most part. Might have lost a bit of ground by talking about my background a bit. The beta part of me..

Unfortunately, didnt arrange for a second meetup, neither did I get her number as I thought I will bump into her, we live in the apartment block.. Bad move, now that I think about it.

I am thinking the next logical step would be to set up a date. What do you guys think? Any particular suggestions that might appeal to persian girls?

Post: #139

(12-07-2015 07:10 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(12-06-2015 09:40 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  There is this fresh off the boat Iranian engineering girl from Tehran in my residence. Seems rather liberal but sticks to her clan all the time. Havent had much of a chance to talk to her. She gave a lot of eye contact initially. She doesn't do that much these days but it now looks like she is either trying to get me to look at her by doing other actions or ignoring me. I tried to not give her too much attention except the 'hi' when seeing her (surrounded by fellow Iranians).

Is she attention whoring/seeking validation? What do you guys think? I look Middle eastern myself but am not.

Due to her tight clique, I might have to wait a while before approaching. Not sure if she is hesitant about opening up much with a foreigner in the presence of her friends.. I am guessing I should continue to ignore her non-verbal cues till I get the opportunity to talk to her?


Thanks for the replies.

Just learnt that these girls can be very unpredictable. This chick just approached me today and started to intro herself and proceeded to ramble in front of all her iranian friends who were having some sort of gathering!

Not sure what kind of an impression I made, was completely taken by surprise. Hope its not her attempt to decide whether I should be friendzoned or to impress some other guy in her circle. And yes, she attempted to portray herself as liberal and open to other races. Was not much interested about me, was just talking about herself for the most part. Might have lost a bit of ground by talking about my background a bit. The beta part of me..

Unfortunately, didnt arrange for a second meetup, neither did I get her number as I thought I will bump into her, we live in the apartment block.. Bad move, now that I think about it.

I am thinking the next logical step would be to set up a date. What do you guys think? Any particular suggestions that might appeal to persian girls?

Things have not been going good since. After the convo above, she just seems kind of closed or guarded. Not sure what I did wrong but this has always seemed to be a pattern in most of my interactions with women so far. This decreases my motivation to go further like setting up dates and makes me behave in a more aloof and distant manner till I get the same level of interest from her. Trying to integrate the playful and 'putting her under scrutiny' attitude into my conversations but maybe I am not doing things right.

Opinions?

Post: #140

TL;DR, but you're thinking too much about a girl you've only talked to. Standard solution to almost any Game problem applies:

Go approach other girls.

Post: #141

(02-05-2013 01:09 AM)kosko Wrote:  (props to Western Cancer's sheet in gaming younger girls)

Link please...

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #142

(12-11-2015 06:31 AM)262 Wrote:  TL;DR, but you're thinking too much about a girl you've only talked to. Standard solution to almost any Game problem applies:

Go approach other girls.

I am all in to meet new girls but the problem here is that this happens to almost all the girls who are in some way interested in me. I think this pattern might hint at some underlying problem when it comes to my 'game'.

Is there a possibility that some girls just approach guys when they cannot take the tension of 'not knowing who this guy is' any more so that they can feel more normal or at ease with him(as an acquaintance)?

Post: #143

(12-06-2015 08:26 PM)Hazaer Wrote:  

(12-06-2015 07:48 PM)peterfoo22 Wrote:  Yeah I have been with a few Persian women. Yes, they can be very attractive, but they are neurotic.

All over the place, my theory is that these women are stuck between the world of super conservatism vs or being slutty. It seems to make them crazy.

P

Can you describe 'neurotic'? If it's being the 'secretive about things' crazy, then it's ok but if its the 'shit-testing and drama' kind of crazy, then it's much tougher sustaining a relationship unless it's purely sexual.

Shit testing and Drama Craziness for sure. So definitely not sustainable for any type of relationship.

Post: #144

I decided to go over to her room to propose hanging out for dinner some time. Knocked but no one answered, but I thought I heard some footsteps inside, not sure though.. Anyway I am thinking of going over again in the evening. Is that a good idea?

If she still doesnt answer do you guys think it's a good idea to stick a note on her door/slide it under the door, with my number asking her to call me back when she's free?

This is still about the persian girl I was talking about in the previous posts. We are living in the same residence block. I was thinking that going over to her room would have more of an impact than meeting her in the common area and asking her out with her friends around her. I don't have her number yet.

Opinions?

Post: #145

Asked her out for dinner, she said she will think about it and later texted she cant but said she wanted the friendship.

Are persian girls so flaky and big on self validation? She was FOB.

Post: #146

(08-15-2012 12:15 AM)Technics Wrote:  With all respect, not sure how useful these distinctions between different types of upper class persian will do. As usual, the bottom line is that you gotta have tight game and make sure not to start the downward spiral of pursuing.

Otherwise, they'll do what they're good at which is having you chasing and thinking about them non-stop with little to show for it.

I second this from an experience I just had. They are very big on giving IOIs and they might approach the guy just to see/test what he's made of.

I wonder how the typical woman from the anglosphere compares with these persians in terms of playing these kind of games, just to have a comparison of the effort required.

Post: #147

(12-15-2015 01:42 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  Asked her out for dinner, she said she will think about it and later texted she cant but said she wanted the friendship.

Are persian girls so flaky and big on self validation? She was FOB.

Isn't dinner the last thing you want to do with a girl that seeks validation. I would think grabbing a drink or something would be better? Or maybe I'm not understanding what atmosphere you're in (eg college).

Edit: My bad. I saw your other posts. I think you may be better off inviting her to do something fun if you can't drink. Some college event or what not if that's an option. Also I think the way you're asking is likely coming off needy because I also get that tone from your post.

Post: #148

Im of to Iran next week for a two week holiday. Got some couchsurfing meetups planned, as a way to get into social groups. Perhaps I can get invited to some of the indoor parties they have going on at peoples homes.

Post: #149

(12-15-2015 08:11 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 01:42 AM)Hazaer Wrote:  Asked her out for dinner, she said she will think about it and later texted she cant but said she wanted the friendship.

Are persian girls so flaky and big on self validation? She was FOB.

Isn't dinner the last thing you want to do with a girl that seeks validation. I would think grabbing a drink or something would be better? Or maybe I'm not understanding what atmosphere you're in (eg college).

Edit: My bad. I saw your other posts. I think you may be better off inviting her to do something fun if you can't drink. Some college event or what not if that's an option. Also I think the way you're asking is likely coming off needy because I also get that tone from your post.

The reason why I had no choice but dinner is because of the nature of the place I am living. All cafes are closed after 6 and she is busy till then. Pubs are only open on wkends and uni nights and now the uni vacation is on so wkday uni nights are not an option.

I asked her out using the exact words that 'Bang' by Roosh recommended. I am not sure if the needy part came when I mentioned that I knocked on her door earlier. But then, she would have known anyway bec I suspect she was in the room at that time.

What would you have done?

Post: #150

It is in these girls highlight east