Post: #801

(10-16-2017 01:31 PM)potential1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 10:24 AM)Leavethewestbehind Wrote:  I spoke with my advisor at the school I earned my certification from. She told me the same thing. I'm 100% set on going to Russia though. I've been studying the language for about a year now. Teaching English will just be a way for me to get into the country and stay long term. Eventually I would like to find my own students and tutor 1 on 1. And possibly start my own business online.

Try to get a job with as few hours as possible. Use your spare time to teach online and hustle for private clients. For sure there is money to be made in Moscow - $150 an hour would be very attainable with a bit of hustle.

Shit thats a lot of money.

Post: #802

(10-16-2017 01:31 PM)potential1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 10:24 AM)Leavethewestbehind Wrote:  I spoke with my advisor at the school I earned my certification from. She told me the same thing. I'm 100% set on going to Russia though. I've been studying the language for about a year now. Teaching English will just be a way for me to get into the country and stay long term. Eventually I would like to find my own students and tutor 1 on 1. And possibly start my own business online.

Try to get a job with as few hours as possible. Use your spare time to teach online and hustle for private clients. For sure there is money to be made in Moscow - $150 an hour would be very attainable with a bit of hustle.

But that would already be jobs as governor right? Can't see how you could make that hourly rate teaching corporate clients.

Post: #803

Ca anyone comment on teaching in a niche market? Im a lawyer with years of experience running my own practice, but frankly I need a change of scenery. Im thinking of shutting down and moving to Moscow,just to get away. Practicing lawyers will understand what I'm talking about . I could see myself teaching English to lawyers and businessmen, or even University students. Kids? Not so much. Also, could I segue into another role?

Any comments or insights would be greatly appreciated.

Post: #804

Recently I've started asking new students about their previous experiences with private teachers.

One student, a researcher who gives presentations at international conferences, said that his last teacher had an attitude of superiority and seemed to be mocking him for errors. Error correction has to be handled with sensitivity.

Another student told me that in her sessions with her previous teacher, all they did was practice speaking. No corrections were given, no explanations, nothing you might call teaching. This student has a good IELTS score but needs a better one to get accepted to a master's program in the UK.

These are the reasons they changed teachers.

Two holistic comments about this thread:

1. It's unlikely that you'll learn more about the English teaching biz by posting a specific question here. Better: take an hour first to read the whole 30+ page thread. Your situation is less unique than you imagine. Don't be lazy.

2. Don't take too seriously the advice given by posters who aren't speaking from experience (posts like "I bet if you went to this place and did this thing, you'd be earning this amount"). There's a fair amount of useless, misleading speculation here.

Post: #805

(10-20-2017 10:21 AM)icrus Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 01:31 PM)potential1 Wrote:  

(10-15-2017 10:24 AM)Leavethewestbehind Wrote:  I spoke with my advisor at the school I earned my certification from. She told me the same thing. I'm 100% set on going to Russia though. I've been studying the language for about a year now. Teaching English will just be a way for me to get into the country and stay long term. Eventually I would like to find my own students and tutor 1 on 1. And possibly start my own business online.

Try to get a job with as few hours as possible. Use your spare time to teach online and hustle for private clients. For sure there is money to be made in Moscow - $150 an hour would be very attainable with a bit of hustle.

But that would already be jobs as governor right? Can't see how you could make that hourly rate teaching corporate clients.

I've never been to Moscow, so I can't comment on what type of income can be earned their teaching ESL, but my general experience has been as follows:

Never take anyone's fucking word for it when they claim that a certain income can be earned. Unless they are personally offering you a job with the money upfront, don't assume that they are giving you reliable information.

Post: #806

(10-20-2017 10:28 AM)Atticus Wrote:  Ca anyone comment on teaching in a niche market? Im a lawyer with years of experience running my own practice, but frankly I need a change of scenery. Im thinking of shutting down and moving to Moscow,just to get away. Practicing lawyers will understand what I'm talking about . I could see myself teaching English to lawyers and businessmen, or even University students. Kids? Not so much. Also, could I segue into another role?

Any comments or insights would be greatly appreciated.

Hey guys, got a question for the lawyers.

I've been teaching ESL for over a decade now and run my own shop, but I need a break from this hustle.

I picture myself jumping right into a law career and either doing corporate law for a top earning fortune 500 company or a prestigious New York law firm. Ideally, I'd only have to deal with people I enjoy the company of, particularly those who add absolutely no stress to my life.

I have no law degree and have absolutely no legal experience, but I assume that my irrelevant experience in a completely different field will be highly transferable.

What are my options for conveniently jumping into some high-paying law gig? Preferably something very niche and in high demand so that I don't have to do the hard work establishing myself. Ideally, I'd like to walk into work paying 10X the going rate, despite having absolutely no skills or experience in the law field.

Thoughts and feedback appreciated.

Post: #807

The $150 figure would be for a small group lesson. With a bit of hustle that could be done by an English teacher. Four people at $40 and hour? I know numerous people in Moscow charging $100+ for a 1-to-1 lesson. Admittedly, that's not for English lessons, but it shows good clients are out there.

On niches, I would say look at the international schools. International school teachers won't have the time or inclination to meet the demand for tutoring from all those wealthy and pushy parents.

Turn up at the school gates at 15:00 and hand out some flyers. Good niches to target would be A-level, iGCSE or IB Maths, English and Science exams (if you have the skills). Also, many children are prepared for entrance exams at top boarding schools in England; parents will pay top dollar to prep their darlings for Eton and Harrow.

Post: #808

(10-20-2017 11:17 AM)potential1 Wrote:  The $150 figure would be for a small group lesson. With a bit of hustle that could be done by an English teacher. Four people at $40 and hour? I know numerous people in Moscow charging $100+ for a 1-to-1 lesson. Admittedly, that's not for English lessons, but it shows good clients are out there.

I know of a teacher here in Beijing earning $150 per hour. He's the rare exception.

Don't post here about the maximum attainable hourly rate unless you make it clear exactly what type of hustle will be required to get there.

Otherwise we'll just end up with a bunch of amateurs reading your post and assuming that they can just show up in Moscow, start fucking all the blondes their dick can handle, work a mere 12 hour week and earn $100K USD per year.

I have no experience with Russia, but I have a hard time believing that anyone earning $150 per hour in Moscow isn't an absolute master at the ESL game.

Don't give false hope to the guys obsessed with white Russian or fat-ass Latino pussy who wish that heaven and earth would move, hell would freeze over and pigs would begin to fly just so that the epicenter of ESL demand would somehow shift from East Asia to somewhere more convenient to their sexual tastes.

Post: #809

The more clueless people show up here, the better for me. Win-win.

But yes, 100$/hour is attainable with references, experience asf. That's mostly teaching oligarch children though.

Post: #810

(10-20-2017 11:05 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 10:28 AM)Atticus Wrote:  Ca anyone comment on teaching in a niche market? Im a lawyer with years of experience running my own practice, but frankly I need a change of scenery. Im thinking of shutting down and moving to Moscow,just to get away. Practicing lawyers will understand what I'm talking about . I could see myself teaching English to lawyers and businessmen, or even University students. Kids? Not so much. Also, could I segue into another role?

Any comments or insights would be greatly appreciated.

Hey guys, got a question for the lawyers.

I've been teaching ESL for over a decade now and run my own shop, but I need a break from this hustle.

I picture myself jumping right into a law career and either doing corporate law for a top earning fortune 500 company or a prestigious New York law firm. Ideally, I'd only have to deal with people I enjoy the company of, particularly those who add absolutely no stress to my life.

I have no law degree and have absolutely no legal experience, but I assume that my irrelevant experience in a completely different field will be highly transferable.

What are my options for conveniently jumping into some high-paying law gig? Preferably something very niche and in high demand so that I don't have to do the hard work establishing myself. Ideally, I'd like to walk into work paying 10X the going rate, despite having absolutely no skills or experience in the law field.

Thoughts and feedback appreciated.

I don't think he mentioned any expectation of earning 10x the going rate. I certainly didn't pick up any entitlement in his tone.

What were your credentials when you started out in teaching? Presumably you had a teaching degree and a Master's in Education?

Post: #811

(10-20-2017 11:38 AM)potential1 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 11:05 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 10:28 AM)Atticus Wrote:  Ca anyone comment on teaching in a niche market? Im a lawyer with years of experience running my own practice, but frankly I need a change of scenery. Im thinking of shutting down and moving to Moscow,just to get away. Practicing lawyers will understand what I'm talking about . I could see myself teaching English to lawyers and businessmen, or even University students. Kids? Not so much. Also, could I segue into another role?

Any comments or insights would be greatly appreciated.

Hey guys, got a question for the lawyers.

I've been teaching ESL for over a decade now and run my own shop, but I need a break from this hustle.

I picture myself jumping right into a law career and either doing corporate law for a top earning fortune 500 company or a prestigious New York law firm. Ideally, I'd only have to deal with people I enjoy the company of, particularly those who add absolutely no stress to my life.

I have no law degree and have absolutely no legal experience, but I assume that my irrelevant experience in a completely different field will be highly transferable.

What are my options for conveniently jumping into some high-paying law gig? Preferably something very niche and in high demand so that I don't have to do the hard work establishing myself. Ideally, I'd like to walk into work paying 10X the going rate, despite having absolutely no skills or experience in the law field.

Thoughts and feedback appreciated.

I don't think he mentioned any expectation of earning 10x the going rate. I certainly didn't pick up any entitlement in his tone.

What were your credentials when you started out in teaching? Presumably you had a teaching degree and a Master's in Education?

When I started out, I took any job I could get and build my skills through hands-on experience.

Post: #812

(10-20-2017 11:30 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 11:17 AM)potential1 Wrote:  The $150 figure would be for a small group lesson. With a bit of hustle that could be done by an English teacher. Four people at $40 and hour? I know numerous people in Moscow charging $100+ for a 1-to-1 lesson. Admittedly, that's not for English lessons, but it shows good clients are out there.

I know of a teacher here in Beijing earning $150 per hour. He's the rare exception.

Don't post here about the maximum attainable hourly rate unless you make it clear exactly what type of hustle will be required to get there.

Otherwise we'll just end up with a bunch of amateurs reading your post and assuming that they can just show up in Moscow, start fucking all the blondes their dick can handle, work a mere 12 hour week and earn $100K USD per year.

I have no experience with Russia, but I have a hard time believing that anyone earning $150 per hour in Moscow isn't an absolute master at the ESL game.

Don't give false hope to the guys obsessed with white Russian or fat-ass Latino pussy who wish that heaven and earth would move, hell would freeze over and pigs would begin to fly just so that the epicenter of ESL demand would somehow shift from East Asia to somewhere more convenient to their sexual tastes.

Yeah, fair point! To be clear, I know very little about the ESL teaching market in Moscow. My point was that there is plenty of money floating about and people are willing to spend it.

Also, if you have a good knowledge of a popular subject, teach that instead of ESL. Teaching ESL will always have a lower earnings ceiling than English (Literature), Maths and Science. There are teachers in Moscow and Asia earning $300 an hour, but they aren't teaching English.

Post: #813

(10-20-2017 11:05 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 10:28 AM)Atticus Wrote:  Ca anyone comment on teaching in a niche market? Im a lawyer with years of experience running my own practice, but frankly I need a change of scenery. Im thinking of shutting down and moving to Moscow,just to get away. Practicing lawyers will understand what I'm talking about . I could see myself teaching English to lawyers and businessmen, or even University students. Kids? Not so much. Also, could I segue into another role?

Any comments or insights would be greatly appreciated.

Hey guys, got a question for the lawyers.

I've been teaching ESL for over a decade now and run my own shop, but I need a break from this hustle.

I picture myself jumping right into a law career and either doing corporate law for a top earning fortune 500 company or a prestigious New York law firm. Ideally, I'd only have to deal with people I enjoy the company of, particularly those who add absolutely no stress to my life.

I have no law degree and have absolutely no legal experience, but I assume that my irrelevant experience in a completely different field will be highly transferable.

What are my options for conveniently jumping into some high-paying law gig? Preferably something very niche and in high demand so that I don't have to do the hard work establishing myself. Ideally, I'd like to walk into work paying 10X the going rate, despite having absolutely no skills or experience in the law field.

Thoughts and feedback appreciated.

Relax. There is no need to be rude. I didn't realise that was I was suggesting was somehow analogous "jumping right into a law career and either doing corporate law for a top earning fortune 500 company or a prestigious New York law firm". Nor did I mention paying 10x the going rate.

Post: #814

(10-20-2017 11:30 AM)Suits Wrote:  Don't post here about the maximum attainable hourly rate unless you make it clear exactly what type of hustle will be required to get there.

Otherwise we'll just end up with a bunch of amateurs reading your post and assuming that they can just show up in Moscow, start fucking all the blondes their dick can handle, work a mere 12 hour week and earn $100K USD per year.

This.

There's a long history of misinformation in this thread regarding optimistic salaries by people who haven't obtained them. And guys here end up making life decisions based on that. That's why we're calling this out.

There are opportunities in English teaching, but no one waltzes into a high hourly salary without experience, training and some business sense.

One more comment about hourly wages in freelance English teaching. There's usually unpaid travel (there and back, possibly for just one class). And there's prep, client interactions, promotion, and taxes (if you're paying them). Also, high-demand hours are limited by the schedules of working professionals (if that's who you teach). You don't just multiply your hourly rate by forty. And if you're working for a school, forget it.

Post: #815

150 an hour definitely requires more than a little hustle. I will say that as a guy who actually works in this industry. If there were any country where you could pull $150 an hour, as a baseline, it would be glutted with willing applicants looking to cash in.

Last I heard, few ESLfags are targetting Russia specifically.

Post: #816

(10-20-2017 08:13 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 11:30 AM)Suits Wrote:  Don't post here about the maximum attainable hourly rate unless you make it clear exactly what type of hustle will be required to get there.

Otherwise we'll just end up with a bunch of amateurs reading your post and assuming that they can just show up in Moscow, start fucking all the blondes their dick can handle, work a mere 12 hour week and earn $100K USD per year.

This.

There's a long history of misinformation in this thread regarding optimistic salaries by people who haven't obtained them. And guys here end up making life decisions based on that. That's why we're calling this out.

There are opportunities in English teaching, but no one waltzes into a high hourly salary without experience, training and some business sense.

One more comment about hourly wages in freelance English teaching. There's usually unpaid travel (there and back, possibly for just one class). And there's prep, client interactions, promotion, and taxes (if you're paying them). Also, high-demand hours are limited by the schedules of working professionals (if that's who you teach). You don't just multiply your hourly rate by forty. And if you're working for a school, forget it.

Great points here. Travel can time can certainly make a teacher's rates look a lot less juicy, especially in big cities. Also, hustling to get high paying clients is good but you might only get a handful of extra hours a week.

You can use private lessons to supplement your salary, but I've heard that ESL salaries in Russia are very low compared to what's available in SEA, Korea and China. I think you're talking $1000-$1500 a month, so you would need to hustle some extra money as that's not far above the bread line in Moscow.

Another thing to be aware about with private lessons is that doing them will probably be against the terms of your visa. It can also lock you into one place; if you've spent a few years building up a good client base in one city, are you going to want to move and start all over again in another place?

It's a trap I've seen people fall into. I've met a few English teachers around the world who've told me "I own my own business". Of course, it's all unofficial, illegal and ultimately built on sand.

So yes, hustle, get private clients and boost your income. But if you're set on staying in one place for a long time, consider getting an official business visa and registering everything by the book. Then when you want to move on you'll actually have an asset you can sell.

If you're just thinking of taking the plunge, I would advise you to go somewhere for a year and see if you like teaching. If you do, go back to your home country and get a proper teaching certification. It will be a pain to go back to the US or wherever for a couple of years, but your earnings and opportunities will increase significantly.

Post: #817

(10-21-2017 01:37 AM)potential1 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 08:13 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 11:30 AM)Suits Wrote:  Don't post here about the maximum attainable hourly rate unless you make it clear exactly what type of hustle will be required to get there.

Otherwise we'll just end up with a bunch of amateurs reading your post and assuming that they can just show up in Moscow, start fucking all the blondes their dick can handle, work a mere 12 hour week and earn $100K USD per year.

This.

There's a long history of misinformation in this thread regarding optimistic salaries by people who haven't obtained them. And guys here end up making life decisions based on that. That's why we're calling this out.

There are opportunities in English teaching, but no one waltzes into a high hourly salary without experience, training and some business sense.

One more comment about hourly wages in freelance English teaching. There's usually unpaid travel (there and back, possibly for just one class). And there's prep, client interactions, promotion, and taxes (if you're paying them). Also, high-demand hours are limited by the schedules of working professionals (if that's who you teach). You don't just multiply your hourly rate by forty. And if you're working for a school, forget it.

Great points here. Travel can time can certainly make a teacher's rates look a lot less juicy, especially in big cities. Also, hustling to get high paying clients is good but you might only get a handful of extra hours a week.

You can use private lessons to supplement your salary, but I've heard that ESL salaries in Russia are very low compared to what's available in SEA, Korea and China. I think you're talking $1000-$1500 a month, so you would need to hustle some extra money as that's not far above the bread line in Moscow.

Another thing to be aware about with private lessons is that doing them will probably be against the terms of your visa. It can also lock you into one place; if you've spent a few years building up a good client base in one city, are you going to want to move and start all over again in another place?

It's a trap I've seen people fall into. I've met a few English teachers around the world who've told me "I own my own business". Of course, it's all unofficial, illegal and ultimately built on sand.

So yes, hustle, get private clients and boost your income. But if you're set on staying in one place for a long time, consider getting an official business visa and registering everything by the book. Then when you want to move on you'll actually have an asset you can sell.

If you're just thinking of taking the plunge, I would advise you to go somewhere for a year and see if you like teaching. If you do, go back to your home country and get a proper teaching certification. It will be a pain to go back to the US or wherever for a couple of years, but your earnings and opportunities will increase significantly.

ESL salaries in Russia are lower than the figure given. In the Moscow McSchools (LL, IH etc.) they offer about $800-$1000 a month with a shared flat. On that you would be struggling.

If ppl are looking to be taking the plunge into the world of ESL, I would advise that they do the CELTA first as it's the yardstick that many jobs now require. The others have already said about picking a country and see if a) ESL is for you and b) if you suit a country.

Finally there is the money issue. I earn just north of $1500 a month and for me, that's more than enough to live comfortably in Minsk. After rent ($300) I have a big wad of disposable cash to do as I please. I save approx $700 a month after with the rest into outgoings like food and misc. I have saved close to 10k over the last year or so and I have another 50k stashed away in a pension fund that is increasing in value yoy. I would say that my quality of life here is a lot better than what it was when I was an office monkey couped up in a cubicle, living in a dingy bedsit back in Dublin. ESL isn't for everyone but for me, it's one of the best moves that I ever made.

P.S. I get offers of private lessons all the time but choose not to do them as I have no need to earn extra cash.

Post: #818

I'm already aware of how low the salaries are teaching English in Russia. Trust me I've done so much research on doing this and have talked to people who are currently teaching there. My advisor says $650 - $1,200 USD (36,500 - 70,000 RUB) is the average for most of their teachers in Russia. It really just depends on which city you're in. On average I will be working 20-30 hours of classroom and prep time. What many teachers do to earn more is teach 1 on 1 lessons.

It's not the most ideal job but it's a good start. I'm 23 years old and I'm tired of my crap job. I work 50 hours per week barely making it by every month. I've been dying to go to Russia for the past 2 years now. I earned my certification over a year ago. I talked myself out of going but I'm 100% set on going now.

Post: #819

Go to the Middle East if you want to make the most out of ESL.

Post: #820

(10-22-2017 12:17 PM)Leavethewestbehind Wrote:  I'm already aware of how low the salaries are teaching English in Russia. Trust me I've done so much research on doing this and have talked to people who are currently teaching there. My advisor says $650 - $1,200 USD (36,500 - 70,000 RUB) is the average for most of their teachers in Russia. It really just depends on which city you're in. On average I will be working 20-30 hours of classroom and prep time. What many teachers do to earn more is teach 1 on 1 lessons.

It's not the most ideal job but it's a good start. I'm 23 years old and I'm tired of my crap job. I work 50 hours per week barely making it by every month. I've been dying to go to Russia for the past 2 years now. I earned my certification over a year ago. I talked myself out of going but I'm 100% set on going now.

A couple things to note here.

First off, it's best to be conservative when estimating how much you will earn. If you end up earning more, great. But if you are overly optimistic, you'll end up spending too much and screwing yourself over financially.

Secondly, teaching is exhausting compared to a lot of other work. While obviously not physically challenging, it does require you to be mentally turned on the entire time and therefore is fairly mentally exhausting.

I use a multiplier of 2X to compare teaching to other types of work. Teaching 20 hours a week will be as tiring as working 40 in an office job. Teaching 40 hours a week would be like working an 80 hour job in a different field.

Also, most jobs at private schools involve working evenings and weekend and won't leave you with much time to do private lessons when prospective students actually have free time (and aren't working or going to school themselves).

Third, factor in travel costs. If a flight home costs 2 months salary, you're basically fucked financially for the year, unless you never want to go home to see your family.

However, I think you should do it, even for a year or two. You're young, go have some experiences.

If it turns out that you have a knack for making money in Russia, you can stay at it as long as you want. If you end up living a lifestyle below your expectations, you can always move onto greener pastures once you've spent a year or two experiencing Russia.

Post: #821

(10-22-2017 08:25 PM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  Go to the Middle East if you want to make the most out of ESL.

Has something changed since the last time you posted in this thread? Because as of your last update, you were speak from a perspective of a person had arrived in the thread guns blazing about how you knew better than everyone else and were going to breeze into a high paying position with a combination of the correct qualifications and lying about your work history.

As of your last update, you believed the following:

(09-18-2016 04:02 PM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  There is just not that much money in teaching abroad. Sad to say. I got offered a USD $70k job abroad, but I turned it down because I wanted more. I was told people use to make more than that. I can make that in the USA, its really not a lot of money to justify uprooting myself to Asia.

Unless something dramatic has happened since you last posted here, it stands to reason that you've yet to secure and actually succeed at any ESL job. You're therefore unqualified to recommend the Middle East, because you've yet to personally actually work there as an ESL instructor, making the type of big bucks that would justify recommending it in the first place.

As such, you're unable to provide any useful information because you can't tell us about the negative trade offs of living and working in the Middle East. The principle of supply and demand would indicate that if employers could pay less, they would pay less. If they are paying upwards of $75K a year, they must be doing that because offer lower salaries would not net them any teachers, once people became aware of the downsides to the position.

Better to offer no advice than to offer bad, unqualified advice as you've been doing.

I have spoken with instructors who formerly did work in the Middle East in the ESL industry and they all told me that living there was not worth the money and that they wouldn't go back even for $200K per year.

Post: #822

(10-22-2017 08:56 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 08:25 PM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  Go to the Middle East if you want to make the most out of ESL.

Has something changed since the last time you posted in this thread? Because as of your last update, you were speak from a perspective of a person had arrived in the thread guns blazing about how you knew better than everyone else and were going to breeze into a high paying position with a combination of the correct qualifications and lying about your work history.

As of your last update, you believed the following:

(09-18-2016 04:02 PM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  There is just not that much money in teaching abroad. Sad to say. I got offered a USD $70k job abroad, but I turned it down because I wanted more. I was told people use to make more than that. I can make that in the USA, its really not a lot of money to justify uprooting myself to Asia.

Unless something dramatic has happened since you last posted here, it stands to reason that you've yet to secure and actually succeed at any ESL job. You're therefore unqualified to recommend the Middle East, because you've yet to personally actually work there as an ESL instructor, making the type of big bucks that would justify recommending it in the first place.

As such, you're unable to provide any useful information because you can't tell us about the negative trade offs of living and working in the Middle East. The principle of supply and demand would indicate that if employers could pay less, they would pay less. If they are paying upwards of $75K a year, they must be doing that because offer lower salaries would not net them any teachers, once people became aware of the downsides to the position.

Better to offer no advice than to offer bad, unqualified advice as you've been doing.

I have spoken with instructors who formerly did work in the Middle East in the ESL industry and they all told me that living there was not worth the money and that they wouldn't go back even for $200K per year.

Suits,

I have the qualifications. I asked about faking credentials because I was curious about the experience of others. I didn't necessarily say I would do that. But of course you jump to conclusions.

Don't be jealous because you spent the good part of your life doing ESL and don't have much to show for it. Do you really need to mock other people for asking questions to prove you are the authority on ESL when you are not. You probably got lucky fooling Chinese parents that you are halfway decent since they don't know any better.

I was offered contracts in the $70k range from Middle East organizations. Maybe I should give you advice because China is probably not that fruitful for you. First lesson, you are not the authority so get rid of your ego. Right now I am living a great life in NYC. I'm not even thinking about ESL unless it pays me $40/hr for private business ESL classes.

What countries in the Middle East did they work in specifically? Salaries did go down due to oil prices. The best contracts were military/defense and oil companies.

Post: #823

Any Chinese speaking English teachers here who would be willing to teach online, just pm me. I might have an opportunity

Post: #824

(10-23-2017 09:53 AM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  Don't be jealous because you spent the good part of your life doing ESL and don't have much to show for it. Do you really need to mock other people for asking questions to prove you are the authority on ESL when you are not.

You probably got lucky fooling Chinese parents that you are halfway decent since they don't know any better.

Post: #825

Are there good resources to tell what TEFL certificates are credible?