Post: #26

I ended up at a gay bar last night. I was with two girls and another dude.

It gave me some real good perspective. I now know what it feels like to be a hot woman in a club.

I was getting stared at the whole time. Guys were coming up to me asking if I was gay.

When I said no they would look at the girl I was with and say, "lucky you."

Two guys bought me drinks. One guy touched my back. It was ridiculous.

Another dude tried to 'game' me. I'm not gonna lie he was cool and got me in a conversation. He had my guard down because he made it seem like he wasn't interested in me once I told him I wasn't gay. Sound familiar?

The one amazing thing I noticed looking around was how a lot of dudes in their did not look or act 'gay'.

What I mean by that is I would ask the girl I was with "that dude is gay?"

And she would smirk and be like, "yep."

To I would respond, "what the fuck?"

Im talking like corporate suit and tie bald head UFC fighting looking dudes in full kino with gay men. It was crazy.

Which brought me into conversation with girl I was with about how bi dudes are the scum of all scum for fucking dudes in the ass and than putting it right back in a girl after.

Made me not wanna go raw anymore for a second.

Post: #27

I pulled a chick from a gay venue once. It was an interesting evening and I wasn't disturbed by an occasional guy hitting on me. The company was polite and the atmosphere a lot more relaxed than at a classic club.

Post: #28

While I've never pulled from a gay bar, I have been to a number of them as I had an ex-gf who was a backup dancer for this up and coming pop performer that the gays fucking loved so they'd book a lot of gay clubs.

I'd show up, go to whichever VIP table the venue had set up for the performer (often with free bottle service), and have a great time with the other boyfriends of the girls in the group and then party with the girls afterwards. I'd get lots of looks, and occasionally a guy trying to approach, but like others have said a simple "I'm straight" or "no thanks" or something like that was enough.

Let me tell you, while I don't really enjoy the skinny/ripped male gogo dancers (instead of female dancers in a club), the gays know how to have a good time.

Seriously, the gays are a pretty happy people. It's not a coincidence that the word used to describe them is gay. In all the gay clubs I've been to, the only thing that disturbed me was seeing gogo dancers pull out their cock for someone tipping them a lot, but it's not like they were touching it or grabbing it or anything, it was just a flash.

I've only ever been totally skeeved out/disturbed by a gay dude and I at the time I was shopping for a christmas gift for a different then-girlfriend and this guy 20+ years my senior made me feel like a piece of meat while he stood behind me in line. If I hadn't got called up to check out I probably would've had to call him a "fucking faggot" or something equally incendiary to get him to back the fuck off. It was weird.

It's like when a fat chick or a girl I'm not attracted to expresses interest. I just take it as a compliment, turn 'em down and move on.

Gay guys are fine in my book, less competition. Can't relate to it, but doesn't bother me.

Post: #29

I've been to enough gay bars to observe the following:

1. Gays in gay bars immediately know I'm straight. Their gaydar is so much better developed than ours it's on another plane.
2. Girls in gay bars are usually fat.

Now drag bars, on the other hand, can offer great pickup opportunities. You just have to be a little more careful of what you're picking up.

Post: #30

In my experience, you scarcely ever find a really hot fag hag. They can definitely be cute or very cute, but the most beautiful women don't dwell in the semen-sticky subterranean grottos of coke snorting gay men.

Post: #31

Don't any of you read Bang Some Chicks?! http://bangsomechicks.com/why-you-should...a-gay-bar/

Post: #32

Oh, yeah. Go to a gay bar with a large group with mostly gay guys and women you'd bang (to clarify, women you want to bang, not men and women you want to bang) are way more uninhibited in that environment. Assuming prior attraction and some comfort on the ladies part (and if the chicks know each other and make out) a three way IS IN the bag for you. It's not really picking women up so much as it is securing a three way, but if
you're going after a chick you don't know, she will assume you're gay if she doesn't know you. Chicks who find you attractive but assume you'd never be with them get all sorts of wet in that environment. If you're playing this angle (pretend gay), keep it up. Chicks willingly make out with gay guys, and you can keep escalating escalating escalating till you've got her alone and can bang.

As an addendum: yes, on a typical night, a lot of chicks at a gay bar are fat hags, but if you go on a special event for gays, say Halloween, there are plenty of hot chicks. In all circumstances, I'm referring to bigger clubs with dance music, not holes in the wall, lounges, or leather bars. Absolutely stay away from those places.

Post: #33

(05-17-2013 01:38 AM)Fitzgerald Wrote:  As an addendum: yes, on a typical night, a lot of chicks at a gay bar are fat hags, but if you go on a special event for gays, say Halloween, there are plenty of hot chicks. In all circumstances, I'm referring to bigger clubs with dance music, not holes in the wall, lounges, or leather bars. Absolutely stay away from those places.

I really didn't think this needed to be said (I thought it was obvious), but if you think there's even a slight chance you're going to get Pulp Fictioned at a place don't even think of going there. I'm talking about gay bars/lounges that are upscale and have dancing and a cleaner atmosphere, not some dingy shithole where all the gays have their shirts off.

Post: #34

(10-08-2011 07:25 AM)Prowl Wrote:  You HAVE to go with gay friends, if not you're going to look like a creepster. You need to demonstrate a legitimate reason for being there other than to pick up snatch.

If you show up with a few "members of the community" and appear to be having a good time, everyone there will be much friendlier to you, both the straight girls and the other gays.

Strong disagreement. I've probably been most successful (in terms of %age) in gay clubs when I've been with straight dudes. As long as you don't go in with hungry looking dudes that run horribly conspicuous game AND you're willing to dance without inhibition, I've found that by around 1am the toilets now resemble Gomorrah and all the gays are hand jobbing each other and there are a lot of straight chicks suddenly flying solo looking for their own action.

You do need to be comfy in your sexuality. I get A LOT of attention from men in these places which probably helps infiltrating their circles of trust but you can't get all "Scarface" if men approach. What I find amazing is how relaxed women are in these places compared to hetrosexual venues where they're on total fucking edge.

Post: #35

Another dude tried to 'game' me. I'm not gonna lie he was cool and got me in a conversation. He had my guard down because he made it seem like he wasn't interested in me once I told him I wasn't gay. Sound familiar?
------------------------------------------
Actually you can learn a lot by observing how gays hit on you.
Sometimes they creep the fuck out of you. Sometimes, they are very smooth.
You can totally put yourself in women's shoes and figure out what would be the best way to approach.

Post: #36

Go solo.
Put a yellow handkerchief in your back pocket.

Post: #37

Is a vegetarian restaurant a good place to eat meat?

Post: #38

I went to gay bars in college because some of the resident gay guys on the dorm hall wanted us straights to see how the other half lived. My experiences were:

1). This is NOT the place to pick up women. The bartenders were lesbian and the few straight women that hung there were classic "fag hags" and had major issues when it came to men. Also, they looked a lot like the women we mock on the online-hamster thread. There was one lesbian basketball player who used to come with us who occasionally screwed guys for fun, but this was not anything I was into.

2). If you go to a gay bar and you're a decent-looking guy, expect to get swarmed on. You'll get aggressively hit upon and you'd better know how to say "no." (See, now you know how women feel -- haha.) This happened to me repeatedly. The good news is that I realized I was better-looking than I thought. As one of my gay friends said: "Gay guys express what women repress." The bad news is that I almost got roughed up for saying the wrong thing until one of my gay friends came and fetched me.

The wrong thing to say, by the way, is "I'm not gay!" They get mad at that for some reason. I was 19.

Post: #39

(06-23-2013 06:23 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  2). If you go to a gay bar and you're a decent-looking guy, expect to get swarmed on. You'll get aggressively hit upon and you'd better know how to say "no." (See, now you know how women feel -- haha.)

Why do we rarely hear about the all-pervasive rape culture in the gay community, like in gay bars? Don't homosexual guys ever have sex with men who are intoxicated? Is that automatically rape? If not, why not? Are such gay men the product of centuries of patriarchy?

Post: #40

(05-17-2013 01:38 AM)Fitzgerald Wrote:  As an addendum: yes, on a typical night, a lot of chicks at a gay bar are fat hags, but if you go on a special event for gays, say Halloween, there are plenty of hot chicks. In all circumstances, I'm referring to bigger clubs with dance music, not holes in the wall, lounges, or leather bars. Absolutely stay away from those places.

I don't have experience with leather bars (sounds sketchy as shit), but NOLA has a bunch of hole in the wall gay bars that are great.

My favorite is the Allways Lounge in the Marigny/Bywater. They have burlesque shows, a small theater in back, country night, etc.

I've picked up a girl from there and banged her raw a few nights later (one of the few times I've actually done this). The vibe is relaxed, it attracts the artsy and open-minded (bi and slutty), young girls (not fat yet), NOLA newbs (oh my god i love nola so much lol), etc.

Sure, there will always be fag hags, but since there are pretty girls they are easy to ignore and get disillusioned with their power quickly.

Plus when you see a gay dude with solid game, I get the same pride for our gender as I do when it's a straight dude. More so even, because it's a non-zero sum game. Our pools of people we're attracted to don't overlap.

Post: #41

I had a couple of ONS with cute (6-7) girls in a very big gay disco here in BA, Amerika. Yeah, there is usually a good number of fag hags, and some gay will cockblock you of their friends, but i never have any trouble with gays hitting on me (the ones who aproached me were easily routed with a "i am not gay" comment. In fact, the second time i get a girl there, was because one of her gay friends presented me to her. And yes, i was solo both times.

Post: #42

(06-25-2013 11:54 PM)BarkChompson Wrote:  Plus when you see a gay dude with solid game, I get the same pride for our gender as I do when it's a straight dude. More so even, because it's a non-zero sum game. Our pools of people we're attracted to don't overlap.

Gay game = youth, muscles, and good looks. Plus heavy use of drugs and alcohol.

Talking about gay game is like ascribing game to chicks. It's meaningless.

Post: #43

I've been to a couple clubs on their 'gay night.' I didn't know until the bouncer told me and my friends, but thought why not try and meet some girls here? zero competition.

A couple different guys asked me to dance, and I politely declined - Not too bad...I think most gays can tell when you're straight.

The girls were definitely friendly and more receptive to dancing, but I think sticking with a regular venue where girls come to drink and meet guys (rather than drink and dance with their gay friends) is better.

...Although I do wonder how it would work if you befriended some girls at a gay venue, acted very flamboyant, and told them you've never been with a girl but are dying to try it!

... Or pull a NPH:

Post: #44

It's a good strategy. I go out to a local gay bar with my female entourage every now and again. They like to dance and it has the best karaoke. Amazingly, it also has the nicest pool tables of any bar in the city. It is a good place for women, they are always there.

The key, as already mentioned, is to be comfortable in a gay bar. If you feel awkward knowing every dude in there has imagined you naked, the awkwardness will come through in any approach. I've had enough gay acquaintances and neighbors that I'm fine with it... and the gays do love my bearish appearance and knowledge of musicals.

Post: #45

(06-26-2013 01:42 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 11:54 PM)BarkChompson Wrote:  Plus when you see a gay dude with solid game, I get the same pride for our gender as I do when it's a straight dude. More so even, because it's a non-zero sum game. Our pools of people we're attracted to don't overlap.

Gay game = youth, muscles, and good looks. Plus heavy use of drugs and alcohol.

Talking about gay game is like ascribing game to chicks. It's meaningless.

That sounds like the same logic game denialists use. Sure they are more upfront and honest with their intentions, but so is a ho'd out club slut.

You don't think older gay dudes need game to hold onto and get to super effeminate twinks? They act effectively the same as girls.

I've watched old gay dudes with shitty game and you know what they call them? Creepers. Sound familiar?

Post: #46

(06-26-2013 05:48 PM)BarkChompson Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 01:42 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 11:54 PM)BarkChompson Wrote:  Plus when you see a gay dude with solid game, I get the same pride for our gender as I do when it's a straight dude. More so even, because it's a non-zero sum game. Our pools of people we're attracted to don't overlap.

Gay game = youth, muscles, and good looks. Plus heavy use of drugs and alcohol.

Talking about gay game is like ascribing game to chicks. It's meaningless.

That sounds like the same logic game denialists use. Sure they are more upfront and honest with their intentions, but so is a ho'd out club slut.

You don't think older gay dudes need game to hold onto and get to super effeminate twinks? They act effectively the same as girls.

I've watched old gay dudes with shitty game and you know what they call them? Creepers. Sound familiar?

Nope. It's just an acknowledgement that men are visual creatures. If you think girls game guys too, then I'll concede the consistency of your logic, even though I still disagree.

Although I note that you're now referring to old gay dudes *holding on* to younger guys, not just randomly hooking up with them. If that's what you meant all along, then I can see the sense of it.

Post: #47

Gay bar game was my game 15 years ago, Sydney is amongst the gay capitals of the world and I was known around the scene as a very, very good dancer.

Firstly, there's no uniform 'gay bar'.

From Sydney, you'd have straight friendly bars full of camp drag queens, such as the Imperial, to the sleeziest scence of leather chaps like Lizard lounge. But most common is a bar... just a bar.. that is gay tolerant.

When saying gay guys 'know' you're straight, I've had more see that as a challenge, outright refusing to believe that you would be there is you werent at least gay curious. When saying "I'm looking for a girl tonight", having them reply with "I'll be a girl for you".

The last time I've been decked, in Perth that is, was a gay guy sweeping my leg when I rejected him. I was dancing on a podium and tellig him 'no', with my legs gone, the back of my head hit the corner of the podium, rendering me with acute concussion. It ain't all camp guys singing 'it's raining men'

Most of all, straight girls digging gays is mostly bravado. For all the trumped up 'pansexual' shit, confronted with it in it's raw state, girls back down for the most part.

Myself and my best wing, took 2 chicks to a rampant gay and lesbian bar, as thes two would also present themselves as 'so horny that when no guys are in the room, we do each other!".

An huor into being there, seeing this girl swivel her knnes, clearly needing to go to the toilet.

When I asked here why she doesn't go, she replaied "Are you f*cking kidding? there's lesbians in there".

if you're picking up chicks at gay, or more likely gay friendly, bars... it has more to do with the even heavier concentration of drugs than her presence amongst a sausage (albeit disinterested in her) fest.

Post: #48

(06-26-2013 07:13 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 05:48 PM)BarkChompson Wrote:  

(06-26-2013 01:42 PM)Therapsid Wrote:  

(06-25-2013 11:54 PM)BarkChompson Wrote:  Plus when you see a gay dude with solid game, I get the same pride for our gender as I do when it's a straight dude. More so even, because it's a non-zero sum game. Our pools of people we're attracted to don't overlap.

Gay game = youth, muscles, and good looks. Plus heavy use of drugs and alcohol.

Talking about gay game is like ascribing game to chicks. It's meaningless.

That sounds like the same logic game denialists use. Sure they are more upfront and honest with their intentions, but so is a ho'd out club slut.

You don't think older gay dudes need game to hold onto and get to super effeminate twinks? They act effectively the same as girls.

I've watched old gay dudes with shitty game and you know what they call them? Creepers. Sound familiar?

Nope. It's just an acknowledgement that men are visual creatures. If you think girls game guys too, then I'll concede the consistency of your logic, even though I still disagree.

Although I note that you're now referring to old gay dudes *holding on* to younger guys, not just randomly hooking up with them. If that's what you meant all along, then I can see the sense of it.

Girls don't game guys, but there is still a dynamic that requires their participation. I see what you're saying about guys being visual and I completely agree, but what about kino? It's a huge component of game.

I've been won over by girls who I didn't think were attractive at first. When they know how to flirt and be touchy-feely, now I'm turned on.

Old or ugly gay dudes will holler at a ton of younger attractive ones, hoping to find one that is receptive long enough to use tactical kino and good conversation to turn him on.

Now that I think about it, what you're describing is a gay dance club. They have bars that are more relaxed where the core concepts are the similar to straight ones.

Don't get me wrong, it's definitely easier because they are dudes who all just want to get their nut, but there are still obstacles that need to be overcome, and can be overcome, by solid game.

I didn't mean to completely go off the thread topic to debate gay dude game, but it exists because I've seen it.

No homo.

Post: #49

(06-26-2013 10:18 PM)T and A Man Wrote:  When saying gay guys 'know' you're straight, I've had more see that as a challenge, outright refusing to believe that you would be there is you werent at least gay curious.

When a girl tells me she's a lesbian, I get the same mindset. If she's not dressed butch and her jaw isn't too squared, she's either bi or has at least a little interest in dudes.

There are lesbians and there are "lesbians". The latter go in phases depending on their mood, horoscope, or whatever bullshit their hamster runs to. One week they are swearing they never want to touch another dick again, the next I jizz on her stomach.

Post: #50

Holy shit I just went to a gay club,
and there were TONS of super-hot girls there.

I got there at midnight, and from midnight to 1 something
it was 9 hot girls to every 1 guy I saw.
Some of them were for bachelorette parties.
I'm talking SMOKING, young, slim, turbo-hotties.

Then around 2ish, the ratio reversed. Now it's 9 boys for every 1 girl.
So many guys on the dance floor.

Anyway, I made out passionately with this girl who was so fucking hot.
She's a nurse, but she's 22 (she looks that way anyway, blonde, blue eyes, maybe probably 105 lbs., ample breasts but on a slim body)
She was a bit drunk, I'll admit.
I have a large part of the interaction with her recorded (the audio).
Then she kept asking me to dance with her on the platform.
I made a deal with her and I did dance with her on the platform,
though I can't really dance well,
and she was dirty dancing with me.

Got her number with her friend (a lesbian) helping me out.
The lesbian friend took some photos of us (some of them kissing photos)
and the lesbian 6 is texting me and asking if I have any gay female friends.

Thank you to all you homophobes and arm-chair speculators
and those who are sure that picking up girls in a gay bar doesn't make any sense.
It's guys like the above that make this work so well.