Post: #26

Gun ownership should be mandatory for law-abiding citizens in the hood

Post: #27

The shop owner is being used by everyone to pour out their frustration and anger at the murder. How the F was he to know in a split second what was going to happen. Self preservation quickly flicks in. Also I read he did call 911. While those who did the murder seem to slip away from public eye.

The shop owner will now likely go bankrupt -- lose his savings, divorce, lose his kids and maybe end up homeless.

Post: #28

My personal opinion based on my own country laws: There is something called "the duty to render assistance". Basically, if you find a person in distress, you have the duty to render assistance meanwhile it is does not mean inmediate harm to you. It protects you from frivolous sues, but persecutes you if you ignore this person in distress.
Now, from what i see in the video, the bodega owner could not do anything to help the kid without putting himself in danger of harm. Of course, he could be altruistic and defend the kid if he wished it. But he could be accused of Abandonment of people and omission of aid if, with the chance to warn the authorities and/or calling the 911, he choosed not to do it and look away from the issue.

Post: #29

Wait, this slipped past me earlier:

Quote:A trio of City Council members [sic] is demanding the agency yank the deli’s business license.

Why the fuck do you need a license to run a bodega? It's a tiny convenience store, not an architect's office!

Post: #30

(06-27-2018 07:40 AM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 07:36 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 07:26 AM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  This isn't about race.

^Perhaps...but it is 100 % about culture

This sort of cultural ghetto behavior has occurred in every civilization, race and even every time in history.

Italians emigrants and Irish ones engaged in such behavior in more disgusting and prevalent ways during the prohibition.

Of course every population is going to have criminal / degenerate elements. But the question that remains to be seen is if the new wave of immigrants assimilates, (away from that "ghetto behavior"), as a majority, as the Italian and Irish did.

Post: #31

Typical displacement activity.

They know they can't really take on gang violence without looking like Nazis, but they have to do something, so they go after the store owner.

Like when your boss gives you endless shit at work and you go home and kick the dog.

Post: #32

It seems like a lot of you guys aren't watching the videos.

Yes, he could have put himself in harm's way trying to help the kid before the attack. Not helping him the first time is certainly a debatable act - who can know what they would actually do with any kind of confidence? Especially in the heat of the moment as everything is unfolding at the pace of real life, deadly violence; as they say, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face...

But after the attack was over and the guys were gone, the kid came staggering in bleeding all over the place and asking for help and got kicked out again. There was no immediate threat at this point - just a dying kid in need of some support.

Refusing the kid a place to just lay down and bleed afterward, words of solace, and some basic medical help is what to me, and I'd think any man with a conscience, truly reprehensible.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #33

< The owner is likely from South American heritage. If you grew up in areas with constant cartel warfare and real beef, would you try to help someone in the crossfire - especially when the gang could be waiting outside and coming in shortly, then killing him. I get it - the US is the US, but it is getting rougher and other tribes are bringing other behavioral patterns with them.

Instead of blaming the gang, then they blame the owner for not doing everything he could have possibly done, heck - even risking his life for someone who might have attracted the ire of gang-bangers. It's a deflection tactic from the media and nothing else. Because if you don't blame the owner, then next comes the issue of illegal migration, heck maybe the over-representation in the crime stats of certain tribes.

Yeah - crime is everywhere, but aside from austere poverty times (the US is not going through those yet), then Japan and Poland has 95% less of that crap going on. And when certain tribes move to the US, they are even under-represented in the stats while others beat them by 2000-4000% in the official crime stats.

So yeah - let's blame the owner for not helping enough and let's ignore the other issues. Kids get murdered for some leaked porn - that's the country you wanna live in.

Let's stay with my own personal examples - a couple months ago a young half-brother of a buddy of mine dropped a girl. They were both 15, he got himself another prettier girl. So the other scorned one tells a bunch of lies to a few rough friends and they wait for him as he goes home. The attack him and smack him a little, then they follow him home and call him on his phone that they are going to burn the house (a house where we had an office located). I take the phone and scream at him, that we got their details and that they should better check out the story of the girl, because girls are lying over those things - they should know this. Then I tell the teens to go beat it or we will come out and beat them up next time around. Never heard from them again.

Different situation with another tribe - in Northern Poland a teenage moron runs into a Kebab store over New Years and grabs a soft-drink, he runs out laughing. The Muslim shopkeepers follow him armed with kebab knives and kill him right then and there - that is beef-resolution the Muslim way. The entire shop was demolished afterwards and the leftist media showed this as a racist incident.

This is not Five-Points of old with zero social net and truly rough neighborhoods. This is fucking New York - no teen is truly starving, they killed him over leaked porn for fuck's sake. The girl will live, there is so much amateur porn out there, that no one cares in our times. Slaughtering the boy is however common in other countries - for much lesser offenses.

Post: #34

Something I haven't seen mentioned: A few more high-profile crimes like this and Mayor Bill De Blasio will be cast as the new David Dinkens.

Back during the Dinkens administration (1990-93), it wasn't just that the crime numbers went up. It was that there were several specific crimes that were so heinous they dominated the national news cycle and seriously damaged the image of the city.

One of the worst came in Sept. 1990 when a young guy from Utah, Brian Watkins, was brutally stabbed to death after he stepped in to stop thugs from robbing his family on the subway. The family were tourists and had barely been in New York one day.

Soon afterwards, Don Henley released the single "New York Minute" that seemed to capitalize on the tragedy, even thought it had been released beforehand on an album.

Having news of a crime go national is never good, and in this case, it's going to damage New York's recent rep as a relatively safe city.

Post: #35

Blame 1 shop keeper or blame the wider community for enabling gangs and the hood like behaviour so prevalent in US cities.

Hmm, reall easy to choose which one!

Post: #36

(06-27-2018 11:49 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  < The owner is likely from South American heritage. If you grew up in areas with constant cartel warfare and real beef, would you try to help someone in the crossfire - especially when the gang could be waiting outside and coming in shortly, then killing him. I get it - the US is the US, but it is getting rougher and other tribes are bringing other behavioral patterns with them.

In New York the other very high likelihood is some origin near the Middle East or Southasia. Maybe Yemeni or Bangladeshi who knows.

Post: #37

In areas where feral gangs decapitate people with machetes, calling 911 can get you killed ("code of the streets.")

Owner did nothing wrong, barbarian ghetto culture is to blame.

Post: #38

Quote:Gun ownership should be mandatory for law-abiding citizens in the hood

Too bad it's impossible in NYC unless you are rich and well-connected. Makes California feel like Texas in comparison.

Post: #39

(06-27-2018 12:20 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Something I haven't seen mentioned: A few more high-profile crimes like this and Mayor Bill De Blasio will be cast as the new David Dinkens.

Anyone with a lick of sense that lives in the Tri-State area is expecting Blasio to be the next Dinkins. Just like his buddy Governor Murphy in NJ is punch drunk on socialism and other far left cause, are going to drag the area in gutter. They live in their own narrative, not reality.

As for owner, his action depends on the neighbor's demographic. He could not intervene or prevent stabbing from occurring. He is dick for not help the boy after. If this happen in red state, origin 12 sbr with 30 shell clip will be my friend and end this mess quickly.

Post: #40

(06-27-2018 06:07 PM)Thersites Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 12:20 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Something I haven't seen mentioned: A few more high-profile crimes like this and Mayor Bill De Blasio will be cast as the new David Dinkens.

Anyone with a lick of sense that lives in the Tri-State area is expecting Blasio to be the next Dinkins. Just like his buddy Governor Murphy in NJ is punch drunk on socialism and other far left cause, are going to drag the area in gutter. They live in their own narrative, not reality.

As for owner, his action depends on the neighbor's demographic. He could not intervene or prevent stabbing from occurring. He is dick for not help the boy after. If this happen in red state, origin 12 sbr with 30 shell clip will be my friend and end this mess quickly.

Yeah true. Although some cops here & there fucked up & went overboard, overall there's a reason why NYC started cleaning up a bit once Rudy Giuliani took over back in the day. Even the mainstream sections of the city were high-crime & a high-risk cesspool before that.

Post: #41

Seven of the eight perpetrators have been arrested and charged and the remaining suspect has been named but is still at large. They were members of a Dominican gang.

Post: #42

(06-27-2018 11:40 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  But after the attack was over and the guys were gone, the kid came staggering in bleeding all over the place and asking for help and got kicked out again. There was no immediate threat at this point - just a dying kid in need of some support.

Refusing the kid a place to just lay down and bleed afterward, words of solace, and some basic medical help is what to me, and I'd think any man with a conscience, truly reprehensible.

I strongly disagree.

This store owner could easily have been chopped up as well. I wouldn't have done what he did, but I can understand why he behaved this way.

It is not hard to imagine the guys coming back to finish the job - and they could do so as quickly as they left.

Considering that the police are unable to properly police this area, mostly through SJW hate campaigns curtailing their power, the store owner was putting himself first, not wanting to become entangled in the matter in any way.

Let's not forget that he was a witness to what transpired and the thugs would easily dispose of him if they felt he was becoming involved or could get them into trouble with the authorities.

Post: #43

Saddest shit. The kid wasn't even gangsta...it was a case of mistaken identity....one of the gangmembers sister set him up....he died because of a piece of pussy. That is currently sitting on a new cock as I type this. Stay safe. Men

Post: #44

(06-27-2018 07:40 AM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  This sort of cultural ghetto behavior has occurred in every civilization, race and even every time in history.
Italians emigrants and Irish ones engaged in such behavior in more disgusting and prevalent ways during the prohibition.

Yes, however Irish and Italians came from cultures where there was no authority.

If you look at cultures in history, you will find that the most militaristic cultures produce the safest places to live. That's because in a militaristic society following the rules is essential. Armies fall apart in war if people don't have discipline, so countries like Japan and Germany developed strong lines of authority and rule abiding.

Here is the thing... Western democracies have become dominated by female thinking and soy boy culture. When the people in charge are weak... gangs of men step into that power vacuum and fill it with violence. Prison in the US is better than life free in El Salvador. All the drugs and pussy you could ever want, plus the best medical care taxpayers can buy, free housing and food.

Post: #45

I know some people are citing the enormity of the crime and its subsequent publicity as having a potentially damning impact on the image of the city, but I'm not too high on that theory. For one thing, the borough of the city where this happened (Bronx) has higher crime than much of the rest of the city, including the specific neighborhood where this occurred. The stabbing happened in the southern section of Belmont, which happens to be the same neighborhood where Fordham University and the "Little Italy" of Arthur Ave. are located. And compared to the precincts and neighborhoods to the south, Belmont isn't so bad in terms of incidents. Of course, considering what the motives of these guys were, this could have happened anywhere with significant gang activity (so most of the Bronx basically).

My point is that even though this whole thing is terrible, it's not like this crime happened against a tourist or transplant in Soho. If that were the case then you can bet this would be higher profile and the city government would bend over backwards in response (like it always does for tourists and transplants). This isn't the New York of the 90's anymore.

Post: #46

Man, that is so messed up. Poor kid...

Our society is too fucking soft on those who commit crimes of this magnitude. Everyone involved in his murder should be put to death. I don't see why this is such an issue, why waste all the tax dollars/man hours involved with lawyers, trial, imprisonment, etc? As mentioned above, an example should be made. I know we live in a "rational" society with "justice," but I just don't see the point of keeping these killers around. Same with the 22 y/o pedo from the other post. These kinds of humans bring no value to society and I think society at large would be better off with some rough justice.

Not trying to come at this from just a pissed off emotional mindframe, logically I've actually never understood why the justice system spends so much time and money on violent criminals.

Post: #47

Bodega owner speaks out after 15-year-old Junior viciously killed at store

Post: #48

Father of girl in sex tape tied to bodega murder is 'disgusted' - NY Post

Post: #49

(06-29-2018 10:14 PM)jordypip23 Wrote:  Father of girl in sex tape tied to bodega murder is 'disgusted' - NY Post

Well, I'm not surprised about the girl's mother being a single mother:

Quote:The father said he also has two sons with his daughter’s mother, one 14 and the other 17, and said he doesn’t recognize any of the eight men arrested in connection with Guzman-Feliz’s murder. His children’s mother has an order of protection against him for unknown reasons, and he said he has no idea what role his children could’ve played in the death, if any.

Post: #50

(06-29-2018 10:06 PM)jordypip23 Wrote:  Bodega owner speaks out after 15-year-old Junior viciously killed at store

Wow the court of public opinion is pretty gross sometimes. This video shows the store owner trying to hide the kid. That bodega owners has gotten a lot of flack.

It's sickening watching the police commissioner at the end of that vid imply that the store owner didn't do enough. The surveillance video looks like he did everything he could to help the kid. Police commissioner politicin' rather than base judgement on what the CCTV shows.