Post: #51

One big elephant in the room that the court of public opinion has overlooked:

If the police do not have a legal obligation to protect you, why the hell does anyone expect this store owner to do anything?

Post: #52

(06-30-2018 12:40 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  One big elephant in the room that the court of public opinion has overlooked:

If the police do not have a legal obligation to protect you, why the hell does anyone expect this store owner to do anything?

A cop in the store could have also watched and then only after the murder jumped into action - that would have been all legal.

But they expect that owner who comes from violent cartel-lands to come out guns blazing?

Post: #53

With respect to some of the forum members who piled on the owner, the original video shows us virtually nothing about the bodega owner and the reasons he had for not intervening (before we saw the new video of him trying to hide the kid, that is).

I know that the vast majority of forum members have never lived in - or at least remained in - shitty places like this. And even if some of you have, either confronting armed gangs or being perceived as thwarting their attempts at violence (by helping their victims) is a definite no-no over time if you wish to stay unharmed.

I know fellow Australians who walked around New York and were accosted by people, usually minorities, for even having two seconds of accidental eye contact. And this was in Manhattan, not the Bronx.

Seeing a 10 second to 5 minute video in these cases tells us jack shit. It doesn't tell us about the likely 500 times the bodega's owner and employees experienced gang or general criminal activity going on in the neighborhood.

Even before the outcry and before I read this story, I predicted that the owner was either afraid or had been told not to intervene:

http://bronx.news12.com/story/38491847/b...t-involved

Quote:THE BRONX -

The manager of a Bronx bodega where a 15-year-old boy was slain says the killers warned him and his staff not to get involved.

The bodega manager's comments, given exclusively to News 12, come as search efforts are continuing for the suspects wanted in the fatal stabbing outside the Belmont bodega on Wednesday.

Police say Lesandro Guzman-Feliz was stabbed and slashed multiple times, including once in the neck at 183rd Street and Bathgate Avenue just before midnight. He attempted to run to St. Barnabas Hospital to seek help, but he only made it to the front entrance before he collapsed and later died.

Some neighbors tell News 12 that they think the business owner should have stepped in, while others disagree.

The manager of the bodega has since responded that the killers warned him and his staff not to get involved.

“We were threatened so we wouldn't continue to intervene with the situation,” he said. "It's not our fault. It's a tragedy, but we were just doing our jobs and getting ready to leave and unfortunately this happened."

Guzman-Feliz’s mother, however, has said that the manager has known her son since he was a little boy and should have tried to help.

Of course, the mother will say this. But that doesn't make it valid.

We had a thread some weeks ago, one that some said was a troll attempt, about a guy who had his wallet and passport stolen by a "friend" in Colombia. The most common piece of advice was for this guy not to get himself killed/severely injured over some papers and cash.

Yet here we have a nearly senior citizen bodega owner who allegedly didn't do what he should have, when a crazed criminal gang was involved, and some people are lambasting the dude.

Even if the new video hadn't emerged, I have zero problems with what the guy in the bodega did. He's not law enforcement and he's not to be expected to play Superman when his own life, livelihood and potentially the lives of his family (through later retribution) are at stake.

Police at Evergreen State College couldn't protect Bret Weinstein from entitled college students, so why should this bodega owner have acted as if Bronx police could protect him?

Post: #54

I can't believe that Bodega owner is getting so much flak for this. Poor fuck is just trying to run a small business and out of nowhere he's supposed to play superman in a gangland bloodbath.

I feel sorry for the kid, but if I see dudes with machetes coming at you, you're on your own.

Post: #55

(06-30-2018 12:25 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  I can't believe that Bodega owner is getting so much flak for this. Poor fuck is just trying to run a small business and out of nowhere he's supposed to play superman in a gangland bloodbath.

I feel sorry for the kid, but if I see dudes with machetes coming at you, you're on your own.

Totally agreed. In addition the gang warned him and everyone in the store not to interfere! Stupid media deflection tactic recognized.

Heck - even if one of them was a Bruce Lee maverick disarming the crew, who says that they don't have connections organizing something from the joint? 6 months later you come home and see your wife and daughter gunned down in your apartment. But you are a hero for that day!

Of course that bloke was no Bruce Lee and he would likely have been stabbed as well.

Post: #56

It's almost as if NYC's policy of disarming law abiding citizens leaving them defenseless is horribly backfiring.

Post: #57

(06-28-2018 06:43 PM)ADEBISIGARANA Wrote:  Saddest shit. The kid wasn't even gangsta...it was a case of mistaken identity....one of the gangmembers sister set him up....he died because of a piece of pussy. That is currently sitting on a new cock as I type this. Stay safe. Men

Exactly.

The shop owner is the scapegoat because he is on film.
Meanwhile the young thot in training who initiated the chain of events has completely dodged any public outrage or scrutiny.

Post: #58

Today's episode of "The Left Does Not Believe Poor People of Color Have Moral Agency".

A minority thot gets a bunch of minority thugs to literally butcher a good minority kid in an attempt to get vigilante justice for revenge porn that is already a crime in NYC. All she had to do was call the cops like a normal person - of which this kid wanted to become someday.

We're sure as shit going to straighten out this fucking bodega owner, because he didn't call the cops and is obviously the real asshole here.