Post: #226

(04-19-2018 09:58 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 09:42 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 09:35 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  Seriously LDN man, how do you have over 7K posts in two years? That's a legit question that you ought to answer (but won't I'm sure).

I have my reasons but much of it is personal.

Here's a proposition. Nominate a trusted member who's neutral on my politics and on who's word I can be sure will not breach trust.

I will explain my situation to him on the proviso that if he says it makes sense you will drop the issue.

This is an offer I'm willing to make because it actually is a legitimate question, but I'm not laying my life bare on the demand of a bunch of hostile strangers.

You are the stranger Leonard, not us.
Almost 2 dozen people from RVF on 2 different continents have met me in person.
No one has met you Leonard.
Your fake online persona is falling apart, and you are hiding behind excuses like "i have my reasons" and demands like " if he says it makes sense you will drop the issue"

Answer the important questions being put to you, or agree to have someone who is already real life vetted and trusted here to visit you and vouch for the life you claim to lead.

You are the unverified stranger here, stirring things up every day here in as many threads as possible.

I'll ask you again, and as many times as it takes.

What's it called when the deep state plants agents to widely spread retarded conspiracy theories in an attempt to undermine and discredit movements?

It's a well known tactic but I can't remember the specific name for it. This is well within your wheelhouse.

What is the term for that?

p.s. I'm headed out for the day. I'll catch up with you in a few hours, Merc. Consider your response carefully, like the many people who've chosen to meet you in person are now carefully considering if they made a terrible mistake.

I know what I am, which is why it's becoming clear to me what you are.

Post: #227

My line of thinking is that if the manager was following policy correctly, as in no loiters allowed, period. I heard she lost her job over this? Don't know if she quit or was terminated. If terminated she has a suit. As far as I know, at least in my state, you can't be fired for following company policy. Wrongful termination. We can speculate whether or not she was racist or not, (would she have done the same thing if the loiters were white) sure. Which is a very grey area, no? How do we know this isn't some big scam playing off the identity politics rampant in the country? (Tinfoil hat on) What if this is just some clever ploy to milk Starbucks?

Post: #228

Leonard if you were a real Tasmanian then I guess you wouldn't mind driving down to 49 Tasma Street, North Hobart, picking up a bottle of Heartwood whisky and mailing it to me as proof. In exchange I won't reimburse you for the bottle or shipping but I will verify that you're there and we can put this whole matter behind us.

Post: #229

I haven't F5'd a thread this frequently since November 2016...

Post: #230

Guys, Leo's situation is pretty obvious if you read between the lines.

He is obviously a successful fanfic writer with over 2MM ebooks sold on Amazon based in the vampire and werewolf dominated world of Tuilijht.

Post: #231

I would like to get back to the topic.

Does the story not sound strange to you if you believe all the accounts?

Two guys who have supposedly prepared a real estate deal for months decide to meet up with a lawyer in a Starbucks. They put on their best Nike sportswear, sit down. After a mere 2 minutes a likely full-on SJW Starbucks manager named Holly asks them to order or leave.

At this point they don't think about their business anymore, but decide to make it a point of conviction? They remain sitting even in the face of being detained? So they don't give a shit anymore about the supposed real estate deal that they have been working on for the last couple of months?

Or is it more likely that the SJW manager together with the 2 guys who record the encounter concoct the crap, to get some cash and SJW-publicity points out of it?

Could have happened all naturally, but personally I would check their phone history on the sly if I was Starbucks and was about to pay them out millions for their trouble. But who am I kidding - Starbucks is going to do anything to have this go away.

Post: #232

This is pretty sick forun drama dudes.

Arguments from authority everywhere. Shit is that all anybody has. "Well you're wrong because status" - "well you're wrong because status you don't have".

C'mom now guys. Use logic and reason to work problems out.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

I know we're practicing and discussing soft science here but the intelligent amongst the community can make better arguments than ad hom and argument from authority

Post: #233

(04-19-2018 09:24 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Maybe he's an independent journalist, writing a tell-all on the alt-right?
Editor: Well Leonard, it's been two years. Is that book done yet?
Leonard: No, I was too busy posting in the "Funny Animal Images" thread.

It should be known that I treat everyone who posts in the Delete thread as a government agent.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #234

'I don't know anything about Australia and I'm American, therefore no Australian can really know anything about America'.

This is what this whole argument started as.

I have no doubt that Leonard D Neubache is who he says he is. Bear in mind, one of his attackers is someone who believes that the Earth is flat, and that North Korea is a paradise.

Post: #235

(04-20-2018 12:14 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  I would like to get back to the topic.

Does the story not sound strange to you if you believe all the accounts?

Two guys who have supposedly prepared a real estate deal for months decide to meet up with a lawyer in a Starbucks. They put on their best Nike sportswear, sit down. After a mere 2 minutes a likely full-on SJW Starbucks manager named Holly asks them to order or leave.

At this point they don't think about their business anymore, but decide to make it a point of conviction? They remain sitting even in the face of being detained? So they don't give a shit anymore about the supposed real estate deal that they have been working on for the last couple of months?

Or is it more likely that the SJW manager together with the 2 guys who record the encounter concoct the crap, to get some cash and SJW-publicity points out of it?

Could have happened all naturally, but personally I would check their phone history on the sly if I was Starbucks and was about to pay them out millions for their trouble. But who am I kidding - Starbucks is going to do anything to have this go away.

There are several additional things that strike me as weird about this.

Whatever happened to "We are waiting for all the facts to come in before making statement'? The CEO's blanket apology and subsequent "Sensitivity Training Day" closure across all stores seems pre planned not to mention ill advised. To willingly self paint the entire company and its 238000 employees as racists in need of a half day gulag stint for reeducation is nothing short of corporate recklessness. If I was a stockholder or on their board Id be pissed and looking to replace this chuckle head. The brand comes first.
This is PR 101. Something smells wrong

Also I'd like to hear the manager's side of the story. Its seems unrealistic that she called 911 on the 2 guys simply for a SWB (sitting while black). Just doesn't make sense. Something else happened, or was said that prompted this. Its Philly. This cant be the first time the white lady manager saw a black man sitting in her store. Id like to hear her side at least before passing judgement.

I will however say racists or not Starbucks coffee is shit.

Post: #236

(04-20-2018 01:14 AM)britchard Wrote:  'I don't know anything about Australia and I'm American, therefore no Australian can really know anything about America'.

This is what this whole argument started as.

In order to understand America, you need to permanently live here for at least five years. I am saying this as a naturalized citizen. Outsiders can't have a full grasp on this topic no matter how much they read and get educated about American society.

However, I have to admit that Leonard is one of the most well-informed outsiders. I have been reading his posts for a long time and sometimes I wonder where this guy gets his information from. He is not only well-versed in US national politics but also state-level stuff.

I had a run-in with Leonard several months ago. Although his writing style is snarky most of the time, I don't think he is an ill-intentioned member of this forum. The same thing can be said about SamuelBRoberts. Both guys may seem aggressive but if you pay attention, it's because they have very low tolerance for bullshit. If your arguments are solid, they will accept them and engage in constructive discussion.

In this regard, it is impermissible to silence people for their views no matter how unorthodox their views are. A month ago the whole forum piled on that Icarus guy who was a solid contributor to this forum. We are setting a very bad precedent here which will haunt the forum for a long time.

On the other hand, I completely understand TravelerKai. You just can't sit and pretend that nothing happened. I don't want him to join WIA, Moma, and other remarkable black forum members that only post in one thread because of this misunderstanding. The forum is in a dire need of catharsis and silencing viewpoints will make things worse.

The most concerning thing to me in all this drama is that forum members hold grudges against each other. This is a recipe for meltdowns like this. We say that we are above women but holding grudges is the most womanly thing a man can do. If someone's behavior bothers you, tell them on the spot, not several months later when that person is in a vulnerable position.

I hope cool heads will prevail and the forum will purge itself of this toxicity and identity politics. Otherwise, we will become what we have been fighting against, SJWs.

Post: #237

(04-20-2018 02:17 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  There are several additional things that strike me as weird about this.

Whatever happened to "We are waiting for all the facts to come in before making statement'? The CEO's blanket apology and subsequent "Sensitivity Training Day" closure across all stores seems pre planned not to mention ill advised. To willingly self paint the entire company and its 238000 employees as racists in need of a half day gulag stint for reeducation is nothing short of corporate recklessness. If I was a stockholder or on their board Id be pissed and looking to replace this chuckle head. The brand comes first.
This is PR 101. Something smells wrong

Also I'd like to hear the manager's side of the story. Its seems unrealistic that she called 911 on the 2 guys simply for a SWB (sitting while black). Just doesn't make sense. Something else happened, or was said that prompted this. Its Philly. This cant be the first time the white lady manager saw a black man sitting in her store. Id like to hear her side at least before passing judgement.

I will however say racists or not Starbucks coffee is shit.

The idea that a female Starbucks manager in a major east coast city is actually a closet KKK member just dying to punt the lesser races out of her store just beggars belief.
That said, I'm not super-surprised that Starbucks would trip over themselves in an effort to prove how non-racist they are. The kind of person who would work at Starbucks corporate is the same sort of person who probably believes that everyone should be undergoing "sensitivity training" regularly to ward off the dangers of implicit bias and white privilege.

As for who was in the right, the point I kept making before we got dragged off into the Leonard Trial and Inquistion and how much I have to do to advance the causes of the White Race before I'm allowed to post my thoughts on an internet message board was this: It doesn't matter in the slightest whether the manager was in the right, or the two men were.

Maybe the manager was power-tripping. Maybe she was in a pissy mood that day and decided to take it out on some random people who were in her store and not paying anything.
Maybe the men were being disruptive, and threatening and aggressive when asked to leave. Maybe she felt like she had to call the cops to get them out of there because they wouldn't leave otherwise.

Who the fuck knows? Who the fuck cares?
Shit like this happens every day all over the country. Power tripping managers and unruly customers are considered a fact of life at customer service jobs. If you've worked anywhere in fast food, or retail, or customer service, you've seen this shit happen. It's completely unremarkable.

Except this time, the media has decided that we're all supposed to get really mad over it. Maybe they're doing it to stir up the black vote for the midterms, as somebody's suggested. Maybe they're doing it so that somebody can get a nice payday. Maybe, most likely in my mind, because they know racial conflict of any sort gets lots and lots of website hits and eyeballs on the news.

This is outrage culture at its most typical. The media wants you mad about this, because it benefits them. The smart thing to do is just ignore it.

Post: #238

(04-20-2018 02:35 AM)speculator Wrote:  I hope cool heads will prevail and the forum will purge itself of this toxicity and identity politics. Otherwise, we will become what we have been fighting against, SJWs.

Thanks for this post, Speculator.

I was thinking of starting a "conflict de-escalation" thread in the private forum but couldn't think of a way to do it that wouldn't just throw oil on the fire.
I said my piece on race relations back in January when I with argued Cobra, the forum made its views clear (Seems to be going heavy with the civic nationalism route) and as far as I'm concerned that's the end of that. I've limited my political posting pretty heavily then, and I regret posting anything in this thread at all.

The forum's in kind of a weird place due to the way free speech has been suppressed over the rest of the internet: outside of places with zero value like Gab (Is Gab even still around?), this is one of very few places left where you can write your views in public without having to worry about suffering serious consequences, like the loss of your job and your social circle. Yes, Roosh got his start game-blogging, but he also wrote the book "Free Speech Isn't Free", and got chased around the entire planet by a mob of lunatic SJWs. That was a hugely important event in the history of the forum, and it changed a lot of things. So while this is a place where we talk about self-improvement and game, it's also a place where we can speak our mind, and it's one of the last places left we can do that. That's something of enormous value to everyone, even if you don't like the ideas being expressed here.

As it is, though, the forum is rapidly becoming a place for arguments and drama, and as a result it's losing a lot of its value. There's a lot of pile-ons (Where one member will start fighting with another, and a third member will jump in on support of one side) and personal attacks. This isn't good for anybody. It's driving good posters off. It's wasting time and adding stress to the lives of the participants. And I'm not just talking about other people, I know I've been more of a dick to people in the crypto section than was deserved. (Particularly Samseau, I was unnecessarily an asshole to him.)

The best thing would be for the mods to jump on threads like these before they get out of hand, but I think Roosh is the only active mod and he's obviously got a lot of shit going on, so it's up to us to moderate ourselves. I'm not sure what the best way to do that is, but I think a good way to start would be for everyone here to try to avoid personal attacks, to avoid dog-piling and getting involved in arguments you aren't a part of, and to remember that if you don't like a poster, you can always just hit the ignore button and move on with life. It's only the internet, after all.

Post: #239

(04-20-2018 02:50 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  ....
Except this time, the media has decided that we're all supposed to get really mad over it. Maybe they're doing it to stir up the black vote for the midterms, as somebody's suggested. Maybe they're doing it so that somebody can get a nice payday. Maybe, most likely in my mind, because they know racial conflict of any sort gets lots and lots of website hits and eyeballs on the news.

This is outrage culture at its most typical. The media wants you mad about this, because it benefits them. The smart thing to do is just ignore it.

The issue of reversing Citizens United and McCutcheon to get money out of politics have been ongoing debates. But what we never hear about is getting money out of the news media.

Its hard to imagine that there was a time that news reporting was an exalted profession and integrity in journalism was actually a thing

Think about it. If news was no longer allowed to be profit driven and was soley a "public service" (as the original FCC charters intended broadcast news to be) how different would our society be?

(04-20-2018 02:50 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  The smart thing to do is just ignore it.

Word

Post: #240

I have no opinion on LDN and the current situation but what's this thing about disregarding people's opinions just because they haven't met anyone? A level of skepticism regarding claims made online is healthy, but I hope folks don't start blanket disregarding people's opinions or put people on ignore lists just because they haven't been vetted by other folks before.

Regarding Bosch saying he wasn't coming back but did - This is a good thing. Too many great posters leave and never return, to the detriment of the forum. Hopefully other posters like excelsior also will return some day.

Post: #241

(04-20-2018 12:50 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 09:24 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Maybe he's an independent journalist, writing a tell-all on the alt-right?
Editor: Well Leonard, it's been two years. Is that book done yet?
Leonard: No, I was too busy posting in the "Funny Animal Images" thread.

It should be known that I treat everyone who posts in the Delete thread as a government agent.

Fuck..

Post: #242

(04-19-2018 11:25 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 11:10 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  TK, what is this about? As far as I can see Leonard never even posted in that Barbara Bush thread. Like most of us, he just liked a few comments wondering why someone would pick on her

I put Leonard and CC both in the same sentence. Read it again.

Plot twist. I may reside in Australia, yet I'm not actually Australian.

Post: #243

(04-19-2018 11:06 PM)iop890 Wrote:  Leonard if you were a real Tasmanian then I guess you wouldn't mind driving down to 49 Tasma Street, North Hobart, picking up a bottle of Heartwood whisky and mailing it to me as proof. In exchange I won't reimburse you for the bottle or shipping but I will verify that you're there and we can put this whole matter behind us.

That's a long drive.

It's even longer than the two hours it takes to circumnavigate Ireland twice.

How about I buy you some of the local cheese and post that instead?

Post: #244

(04-19-2018 08:10 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(04-19-2018 07:19 PM)Kona Wrote:  You do know he lives in Australia right? Thats far from everywhere.

Kona, you live on a island in the middle of the pacific ocean and you have never disrupted the harmony of the forum except when you call out bullshitters trying to scam money out of us like naughty nomad. I highly respect you, especially when you protect & watch out for us like that. You are a defender of the male brotherhood here, not a disrupter.

Well respect noted, and returned.

I hope some of you guys realize, that when a few dudes started out in this forum, the meetups were not popular. In fact, really the only people eager to meet were the traveling scamster types. The aforementioned naughtyxnomad, lumiere, etc. There was one kid I recall who was raving about his Argentina meeting with a group of pick up artists. He thought it was so cool how a guy named sashapua took a likening to him, and that all he had to do was buy Sasha a plane ticket and that was it. Then there's the McQueen days. Let's hang out in las Vegas and be tough and cool, just pay me.

Maybe that leads to some apprehension?

None the less, maybe something good can come out of these cops shooting black guys at Starbucks.

What if I hosted the RVF Fishing Tournament/Honolulu Strip Club Tour?

Teams of three ( I call Samseau and Forney or Davis Aurini if Samseau is busy) fish for two days, then have a big cookout at a pavilion on the beach I'll rent. I can talk to some folks about lodging discounts. If you do it right, at the right time, you can get to Hawaii from anywhere in America or Asia or Australia for 700 or less.

Hell, someone with know how could do a kickstarter to make it easier. This way we all know who's real, who's good fishermen, and who's handy with the strippers.

Aloha!

Post: #245

I haven't read much of this thread, but if I was gonna lie about living somewhere, I sure as heck wouldn't choose Tasmania. That's like bragging about fucking Rosie O'Donnell. That said, I do have a few hot cousins in Hobart and considered moving there to bang them where it's socially kosher.

Post: #246

(04-19-2018 08:07 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Has anybody ever done a meetup with a Jewish member?
If not, how do we even know that jews exist?

I tried telling you all that Jews are all just projections from the same higher dimensional alien into our spacetime for the purpose of feeding, but did anyone listen to me? Nooo....

Post: #247

(04-20-2018 12:14 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  I would like to get back to the topic.

Does the story not sound strange to you if you believe all the accounts?

I'm still waiting for the statement from the guy who was supposed to be meeting them for this real estate deal that had been months in the making, apparently. You know, like "imagine my surprise when I showed up to Starbucks and they were being taken away in handcuffs. It's 2018!"

edited to address this point from PT:

Quote:Also I'd like to hear the manager's side of the story. Its seems unrealistic that she called 911 on the 2 guys simply for a SWB (sitting while black). Just doesn't make sense. Something else happened, or was said that prompted this. Its Philly. This cant be the first time the white lady manager saw a black man sitting in her store. Id like to hear her side at least before passing judgement.

Agreed. Maybe the 2 guys did provoke an incident but, SJW-ism being what it is, it is being kept quiet for the sake of the narrative. I have read that in San Francisco, if you are mugged, the general reaction from people is "that poor mugger, he must be so desperate". Similarly, if a Starbucks is loaded with white upscale progressives, maybe their interpretation of the event is skewed towards the SJW narrative.

Post: #248

delete

Post: #249

I'm all for free speech and I've never once called for anyone to have their voices suppressed. Problem is that guys like Neubache just want to have an open forum for their views and when they get challenged, especially on their race bs which is permeating more and more threads, they get outright hostile, demanding that they not be challenged ever. Like speculator stated, its driving away quality veteran posters, leaving us stuck with trite, hostile, low quality trolls. This is why Neubache is being challenged to prove that he's not a troll. Neubache, I'm still waiting for you to respond as to whether the three guys I suggested are acceptable for you to talk to. Again, you don't have to do shit, I don't care, but if you want to repair much of the credibility that you've lost here outside of your fanbase, it would probably be best that you move forward with your own proposal. Or you can do what I suspect that you want to do which is to let it fade into the ether which will then leave no doubts as to your status here. As a self professed "alpha male" surely you'll live up to your proposed idea, no?

Post: #250

Eugenics Wrote:I know we're practicing and discussing soft science here but the intelligent amongst the community can make better arguments than ad hom and argument from authority.

The Jordan Peterson fan in me replies that arguments from status are fundamentally appeals to Order, while arguments complaining about status are fundamentally appeals to Chaos. In fact, Leonard's primary flaw is his constant opining on topics he knows precious little about, especially when shitting on Black Americans from his 0% Black-populated Tasmania. He doesn't have the knowledge, but he wants equal status as those who do possess the knowledge.

And the C.S. Lewis fan in me replies, "The smart person doesn't walk up to the idiot to yell I'm Just As Smart As You, nor does the beautiful woman yell to the plain woman I'm Just As Pretty As You." Leonard Neubache, despite his lip service to the contrary, is going out of his way to tell everyone He's Just As Good As TravelerKai.

But he isn't. And it's not even close. And RVF's commitment to self-improvement requires practically every member to acknowledge this.