Post: #351

Do other smaller “brown” countries carry the same stigma as India/Pakistan/Bangladesh?

Countries like:

Nepal
Sri Lanka
Guyana
Trinidad
Suriname
Fiji
Mauritius

Does saying you’re from any one of these countries incite the same screwface instant repulsion in the Anglosphere as “Indian”? Or do guys from these countries get the benefit of flying under the radar?

Post: #352

(06-07-2018 11:08 PM)SLSlayer Wrote:  Do other smaller “brown” countries carry the same stigma as India/Pakistan/Bangladesh?

Countries like:

Nepal
Sri Lanka
Guyana
Trinidad
Suriname
Fiji
Mauritius

Does saying you’re from any one of these countries incite the same screwface instant repulsion in the Anglosphere as “Indian”? Or do guys from these countries get the benefit of flying under the radar?

Is their a significant psychical difference?

Post: #353

My mindset has always been to have some degree of pride in your heritage and in most cases, it should truly be insignificant. If you look good, are in touch with the culture of the place you are in, look like you fit in and have great social calibration and game, it should not even matter. I've rarely even seen race come up as much when I have approached girls or even on dating apps.

Then again, I do feel that I have been spoiled, maybe if you put me in a Toronto or San Francisco it would be a completely different story.

If it does come down to that, I propose a few things:

1. Just tell her you were adopted and don't know where your real parents are from. I mean if all you are doing is smashing, she isn't going to meet your family so just smash and move on.

2. Just tell her you are mixed with a whole bunch of stuff, she isn't going to do a 23andme on you and some dumb broad at a bar probably doesn't even know what 23andme is. Here you can name Trinindad, Guyana and a bunch of other small countries since she will be too fucking dumb to know.

Just don't be one of those Indian and Middle Eastern/Persian dudes (who did this even more!) who lies and tells women you are a fucking Italian or Latino. I know if I was an Italian I would be pissed if some sleazy brown dudes were going around hitting on girls and using my heritage to boost their chances, hate it when brown guys do this sort of shit.

Post: #354

It’s not so much the physical difference as it is the stereotypes she can box you in the when you do a cold approach and she has nothing else to go on.

When I tell girls I’m Canadian but my parents are from Sri Lanka, most basic girls have no clue where that is. Most have never encountered a Sri Lankan person in their life. I have the benefit of operating from blank slate versus an Indian guy who is encumbered by negative stereotypes in the Anglosphere.

Post: #355

(06-07-2018 09:59 PM)Arado Wrote:  Anyway, I'd really like to hear how Indian guys born in the West deal with the "where are you really from?" inquiries.

I've never had a white American person ask me that. I'm British born and raised and I still have my British accent. Most Americans - black, white or Hispanic think of me being British.

The only people who ignore my Britishness and bring up the fact that I'm Indian are East Asian FOBs. It was so common that I used to joke with people that I should wear a T shirt with Korean and Chinese writing saying "I really was born and raised in UK. My parents are from India". I went to college in the US and sat in the same classroom as these fuckers for 2 years and they still wouldn't accept me as being from UK. One of the chad type white guys thought I was half white, because I didn't "act Indian".

I am not ashamed at all of my Indian heritage. If somebody has an issue with me because of my race then fuck them. I'm comfortable in my skin. I also don't have an inferiority complex about white people - in fact I manage 3 white guys.

Indian FOBs make me cringe half of the time - there's a few in my office working on an IT project and these fuckers are all out of shape, badly dressed and half of them have moustaches. I respect people who respect themselves - and I've got no time for people who are shamed of their background. My thoughts on Indian-Americans are here.

I remember one time talking to a Korean American woman in a bar. She asked me if I'm Indian and I said "kind of, but I was born and raised in UK". She then asked me if I knew Hindi. I said no and eventually asked her for her number, she didn't give it and walked off. About 30 mins later I see her making out with a FOB Indian. I guess I wasn't Indian enough for her.

On the same day I spoke to a Japanese FOB woman, she told me her ex was Indian and that they split up because he was a vegetarian and he couldn't eat sushi! She then asked me if I could speak any Indian language, I said yes, but I'm not fluent. She also declined my request for her number. I guess I also wasn't Indian enough for her either

The average white American woman either doesn't bring up race or she says "hey, you have an accent" - and then say,"You're Australian, right?"

The way a person carries himself is very important. I'm sure everyone can see that western born and raised Indian walk differently to FOBs.

I haven't had a single racist incident from any white Americans and I've been here 10+ years. I remember one East Asian faggot saying that I look like a terrorist a long time ago but I was drunk myself and only realised what he said after he was already gone.

Post: #356

(06-07-2018 03:59 PM)Arado Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 01:23 PM)kaotic Wrote:  If a black chick yelled that at me I'd smile and call her ancestors African natives, because I like shitlording.

American black chicks can be some of the worse offenders when it comes to race. They're also the type of bitches who graduate in African studies, wear the traditional African garb, and would NEVER go to Africa, hell Africans look down on African Americans. Perpetual victimhood is their jobs.

The reason white people appreciate that because, when people think Americans - they think "white" especially overseas.

So an American identity is usually defined as white and conservative for that matter.

If that Latina has issues regarding your friends, then she doesn't matter to begin with.

When minorities take offense to that it's a projection of their own self identity insecurities.

The thing with hanging with white people in conservative parts is that your own race and others will call you white washed, lost, etc and in political cases, uncle tom sometimes. Once again, their own insecurities come out to play.

Fact is, when liberals ask "where are you from?" "uh california" "I mean where are you REALLY from" - the subtle racial prejudices shows. Liberals are some of the biggest undercover racists.

In the end man, all you can do is laugh at all that bullshit and let someone else worry about that shit.

Regardless if it happens to you often or not, you brush that shit aside and keep on going.
...
Personally I think if you're first generation that's born in the states, you should be American FIRST, Indian second.

Ive noticed that when a girl is intent on knowing my race and does NOT accept "American," or "LA/Chicago/NYC/SF/etc" as an answer to "where are you from?", then either she is really into Indian guys and it is easy to pull her (rare, but it has happened), or it will be near impossible.

The ones I do best with are the ones who totally ignore race and judge me on individual characteristics.

However, OUTSIDE the Anglosphere, you will get the "you aren't American/Can/Aust/UK, where are you really from?" question much more often. Has anyone found a good way to respond to this in a way that acknowledges the question, but doesn't let the conversation get bogged down in topics related to India? This has happened enough times in areas not super friendly to Indian guys (FSU, East Asia) that I think there should be a way to prepare for these encounters.

These types of women you just have to go for broke & blow them out with the type of charisma & balls that would put a Hollywood actor to shame. But I don't know that every guy is built for that. Nor is every woman worthy of this type of effort, lol. Again a lot of these types of experiences you alluded to can be regional & on a case-by-case basis.

Post: #357

(06-08-2018 01:37 AM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 09:59 PM)Arado Wrote:  Anyway, I'd really like to hear how Indian guys born in the West deal with the "where are you really from?" inquiries.

I've never had a white American person ask me that. I'm British born and raised and I still have my British accent. Most Americans - black, white or Hispanic think of me being British.

The only people who ignore my Britishness and bring up the fact that I'm Indian are East Asian FOBs. It was so common that I used to joke with people that I should wear a T shirt with Korean and Chinese writing saying "I really was born and raised in UK. My parents are from India". I went to college in the US and sat in the same classroom as these fuckers for 2 years and they still wouldn't accept me as being from UK. One of the chad type white guys thought I was half white, because I didn't "act Indian".

I am not ashamed at all of my Indian heritage. If somebody has an issue with me because of my race then fuck them. I'm comfortable in my skin. I also don't have an inferiority complex about white people - in fact I manage 3 white guys.

Indian FOBs make me cringe half of the time - there's a few in my office working on an IT project and these fuckers are all out of shape, badly dressed and half of them have moustaches. I respect people who respect themselves - and I've got no time for people who are shamed of their background. My thoughts on Indian-Americans are here.

I remember one time talking to a Korean American woman in a bar. She asked me if I'm Indian and I said "kind of, but I was born and raised in UK". She then asked me if I knew Hindi. I said no and eventually asked her for her number, she didn't give it and walked off. About 30 mins later I see her making out with a FOB Indian. I guess I wasn't Indian enough for her.

On the same day I spoke to a Japanese FOB woman, she told me her ex was Indian and that they split up because he was a vegetarian and he couldn't eat sushi! She then asked me if I could speak any Indian language, I said yes, but I'm not fluent. She also declined my request for her number. I guess I also wasn't Indian enough for her either

The average white American woman either doesn't bring up race or she says "hey, you have an accent" - and then say,"You're Australian, right?"

The way a person carries himself is very important. I'm sure everyone can see that western born and raised Indian walk differently to FOBs.

I haven't had a single racist incident from any white Americans and I've been here 10+ years. I remember one East Asian faggot saying that I look like a terrorist a long time ago but I was drunk myself and only realised what he said after he was already gone.

That's why I said in my original post that this happens much more often outside the Anglosphere. If you are in East Asia or Russia/Ukraine, the people will focus on your ethnicity to a much higher degree than in the Anglosphere and will view you as Indian rather than US/UK/Aust/Canadian. I agree with posters above, that a girl in the Anglosphere super fixated on race has some axe to grind. Those girls are usually either a layup (they have some ethnic fetish) or not worth the hassle. Once you leave the Anglosphere, though, most people won't accept that you are Western. My question is how do you deal with that situation.

I've still had plenty of success abroad, but it's usually due to language skills, social circle, or some type of situational DHV. Cold approach nightgame pickup has been an uphill battle in countries where Indians aren't that popular - this is the type of situation where I most often got the racial inquiries but there weren't any of those mitigating factors that countered whatever negative perception they had.

Post: #358

(06-08-2018 01:37 AM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 09:59 PM)Arado Wrote:  Anyway, I'd really like to hear how Indian guys born in the West deal with the "where are you really from?" inquiries.

I've never had a white American person ask me that. I'm British born and raised and I still have my British accent. Most Americans - black, white or Hispanic think of me being British.

The only people who ignore my Britishness and bring up the fact that I'm Indian are East Asian FOBs. It was so common that I used to joke with people that I should wear a T shirt with Korean and Chinese writing saying "I really was born and raised in UK. My parents are from India". I went to college in the US and sat in the same classroom as these fuckers for 2 years and they still wouldn't accept me as being from UK. One of the chad type white guys thought I was half white, because I didn't "act Indian".

I am not ashamed at all of my Indian heritage. If somebody has an issue with me because of my race then fuck them. I'm comfortable in my skin. I also don't have an inferiority complex about white people - in fact I manage 3 white guys.

Indian FOBs make me cringe half of the time - there's a few in my office working on an IT project and these fuckers are all out of shape, badly dressed and half of them have moustaches. I respect people who respect themselves - and I've got no time for people who are shamed of their background. My thoughts on Indian-Americans are here.

The average white American woman either doesn't bring up race or she says "hey, you have an accent" - and then say,"You're Australian, right?"

The way a person carries himself is very important. I'm sure everyone can see that western born and raised Indian walk differently to FOBs.

I haven't had a single racist incident from any white Americans and I've been here 10+ years. I remember one East Asian faggot saying that I look like a terrorist a long time ago but I was drunk myself and only realised what he said after he was already gone.

Great post.

I'll say from my very own experience, minorities in general have been far more racist towards me than whites.

What I think is going on is what Kaotic mentioned earlier in the thread, it is that degree of insecurity and victim's complex with one's self that projects into hatred and wanting to hold others back. That is why you will see people that fit this sort of a demographic wanting to talk endlessly about race and play victim all day, wanting someone to hear their cry.

It is more of a "if I can't be accepted, neither will anyone else who is close to me". Now for a lot of minorities, it makes them burn on the inside when they see someone who is also a minority doing well financially, making friends, being accepted by mainstream society as a cool guy and everything. These same people will call that person a sell out and Uncle Tom.

But really, I think it is more of a class issue than race issue, I've rarely faced these problems from upper middle class and wealthier minorities.

This whole victim's mentality I see which projects itself into hatred is a thing between lower class minorities raised in urban areas and FOBs trying to fit into American society. It is more of a class thing because I think the victim's mentality persists among the less successful in life whether it is regarding race or not. I feel like this is part of the reason why poverty is so toxic outside of just the financial aspect of it, it is the fact that you are in a crabs in a bucket situation full of others who have a victim's mentality and want everyone to join them on their soapbox.

What's even worse is that these people (regardless of race) will play victim yet attempt to sabotage anyone near them, throwing all morals out the window.

In a way I kind of understand now and can somewhat empathize with white-washed ethnic women who want to avoid men of their own race and exclusively go for white guys. Even though I come out not benefitting from that whatsoever, I can see why some women would want to go with a cool stable white guy because why should she subject herself to countless hours of listening to a mental wreck talking about the evils of white society and playing victim?

Post: #359

(06-07-2018 10:58 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  Over the years I've found that Indian guys seem to only have the highest ceiling amongst conservative whites and conservative social circles when it comes to going interracial, maybe I am wrong here.


Liberal whites are racist and as shallow as they come, it is liberal Hollywood and media that assassinates the image of most ethnic men.

Other ethnic people, especially other Asians and brown people, are probably amongst the most racist against Indians out there if anything.

It makes me almost worried for the future to see if the amount of conservative whites in the USA goes down, I feel as if Indian men are fucked in regards to game. I mean I guess latinos are accepting and cool but colorism is a pretty big issue in that culture too.

Agree with most of this. Conservative whites tend to see American principles as ideal. General cleanliness/civic duty, right to own guns, small government, etc. Liberal whites view themselves and their culture as being ideal. If you don't like the same shit as they do, spout the same progressive nonsense, and keep up with whatever pop culture bullshit is trending these days, you're SOL with them. I've found it infinitely easier to befriend redneck-type white people (gun owning, outdoorsy, lower-middle class) than rich liberal snobs.

I do disagree that minorities are on average more racist than whites. Yes hood minorities can be pretty disparaging towards Indians and have issues of their own, but minorities who are middle-class and better have by and large treated me great. The only wealthier minorities I've had issues with were the ones who were trying too hard to kiss ass with whites. For example I knew a black guy who would shit talk the local white liberals all the time, but still go out of his way to hang out with white people. This guy didn't like these people, he just wanted to be part of the "popular crowd". Shit like that is pathetic and deserves no respect.

I haven't seen much of a victim mentality from minorities either. A Mexican friend of mine remarked that being brown made it a little harder than women, but this guy still did fine for himself (college wrestler, tall, very personable guy). I knew a black guy who freaked out in an uber while blackout drunk and started calling the driver a racist (completely unprovoked). I have known a couple Indians with massive inferiority complexes, along with a couple who were super racist towards black people. Overall, though, I've had better experiences with minorities than I have with whites. For every one self-hating minority I've met, I've met three white liberals with whack personalities who were completely untrustworthy.

I've seen many Indian guys with Latinas and Asians, and I myself did great with black girls back in college. Conversely, I've seen a tiny, tiny minority of Indians succeed with the wealthy liberal WASP crowd. Make of that what you will.

Post: #360

(06-08-2018 12:24 PM)Bastard Sword Wrote:  [quote='a beer is enough' pid='1797777' dateline='1528430336']
I've seen many Indian guys with Latinas and Asians, and I myself did great with black girls back in college. Conversely, I've seen a tiny, tiny minority of Indians succeed with the wealthy liberal WASP crowd. Make of that what you will.

The Indian dudes I noticed who did the best with the wealthy liberal WASP crowd were definitely wealthy (often times doctors) & were smooth talkers that grew up around a lot of WASP's in the first place. A lot of their parents were physicians and so they grew up with money & around money. Some of these guys were pretty athletic too.

But despite that I also noticed dudes of a somewhat similar profile that might've dated interracially in the past, but got pretty ethnocentric when it came time to marry a chick.

Post: #361

(06-08-2018 09:40 AM)Arado Wrote:  That's why I said in my original post that this happens much more often outside the Anglosphere. If you are in East Asia or Russia/Ukraine, the people will focus on your ethnicity to a much higher degree than in the Anglosphere and will view you as Indian rather than US/UK/Aust/Canadian. I agree with posters above, that a girl in the Anglosphere super fixated on race has some axe to grind. Those girls are usually either a layup (they have some ethnic fetish) or not worth the hassle. Once you leave the Anglosphere, though, most people won't accept that you are Western. My question is how do you deal with that situation.

I've still had plenty of success abroad, but it's usually due to language skills, social circle, or some type of situational DHV. Cold approach nightgame pickup has been an uphill battle in countries where Indians aren't that popular - this is the type of situation where I most often got the racial inquiries but there weren't any of those mitigating factors that countered whatever negative perception they had.

At the end of the day, you can't change what you are. Lying about your ethnicity or trying to explain it away is weak as fuck. Your genetics are Indian, your history is Indian, your culture is at least partially Indian. Just be the baddest Indian they've ever seen. Do you really think a Russian or Chinese girl is going to care about your race if you're in fantastic shape, well-dressed, and clearly confident? I know you already have had success with these women, but trying to hide your ethnicity is a losing strategy.

I'm also very surprised that Russia is bad for Indians, I thought Bollywood was huge there. I'm following a girl on Instagram who hosts Bollywood classes in Moscow, it's full of white Russian girls. And Bollywood isn't like yoga, which can be easily stripped of its association with actual Indian people. It would be like a girl who loves Kpop and does Kpop dancing and still doesn't fuck with Asian guys, just doesn't make any sense.

Post: #362

That is the point I was making about minorities, most I have known who were middle class or wealthy have not been racist unless we are talking FOBs or those desperately trying to be popular so they want to put others down. I've had a great experience with minorities who were middle class or above.

On the other hand, minorities I knew who grew up urban or were a part of the hood urban culture have been some of the most racist and unpleasant people I have ever had to deal with. Very rarely have I made friends with thuggish type of black guys and I do not ever see that changing. Likewise, people from this crowd in general are the most racist and hateful people I have met.

It does kind of confuse me as to how I can get along well with some broke guy from a rural upbringing but from an urban one, it is a different story.

Post: #363

I also hate to get on the stop pedestalizing white women train but I have to ask you guys, why does it HAVE to be a WASPy chick from a top 1% income bracket?

What's wrong with some white girl from a rural area?

What about one from a middle class upbinging?

What about a foreign one?

I mean guys bitching about rich WASPy white girls being picky is the same as some guy going to India and bitching about how light skinned high caste Indian women are picky, why not game 99% of other women in the country?

Post: #364

Doesn't gotta be, my dick don't discriminate.

I meet girls from all walks of life, from a 1st generation Indian hottie who runs her own aesthetic/cosmetic line and is balling, to a semi dirt poor Mexican sweetie.

I think the discussion was about what's the most difficult prey for brown men, either way, I agree white girls aren't top tier to me personally.

On minorities, I agree, the "where are you really from" question comes more from minorities and FOB's then anglo's assimilated races like mexicans.

Post: #365

(06-08-2018 03:12 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I also hate to get on the stop pedestalizing white women train but I have to ask you guys, why does it HAVE to be a WASPy chick from a top 1% income bracket?

What's wrong with some white girl from a rural area?

What about one from a middle class upbinging?

What about a foreign one?

I mean guys bitching about rich WASPy white girls being picky is the same as some guy going to India and bitching about how light skinned high caste Indian women are picky, why not game 99% of other women in the country?

The WASPs I'm describing come from a specific geographic and cultural background. Usually live in suburbs of liberal areas (white enclaves in generally diverse areas), are upper-middle class or higher, were usually in Greek Life in college. If you live in a high-profile liberal city (SF, LA, DC, Toronto), you're likely to run into plenty of women like this. It doesn't even have to be within the context of game, if you live in certain areas or work in certain industries you'll be surrounded by people like this.

The only reason I'm discussing them is because I regularly have to deal with them, and in places like the ones I listed, they're widely seen as being at the top of the SMV pyramid. If I was constantly surrounded by middle-class black girls or working-class Latinos, I wouldn't care, but dealing with this demographic is a reality of life in many places. NYC is different as it is incredibly diverse and much less uptight. Even an overwhelmingly white place like Boise or Austin would have a different vibe. In many parts of these big liberal cities, moreover, this WASP culture is viewed as being popular, cool and desirable. Huge sections of nightlife and entertainment will be more or less geared towards them.

In these cities, conservative or lower-income white women are absolutely worth pursuing, but you're far more likely to run into liberal WASPs. These people also have a way of infecting the general vibe/culture of a place. There's a reason why people in Denver, Austin, and Portland complain about Californians coming and ruining the place. They entirely belong to this subset of society and are notorious for how superficial they can be.

I also completely agree that you'll get open hostility from ghetto minorities. A lot of lower-end black clubs have a horrible vibe and people there will try to clown you. I've had random urban black dudes try to shove me around at clubs and talk shit on the street. You are right in calling this a class issue as middle class blacks have always treated me great. IMO hoodrat women from minority backgrounds are going to be just as hard as liberal WASPs if not worse.

Post: #366

(06-08-2018 01:16 PM)Bastard Sword Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 09:40 AM)Arado Wrote:  That's why I said in my original post that this happens much more often outside the Anglosphere. If you are in East Asia or Russia/Ukraine, the people will focus on your ethnicity to a much higher degree than in the Anglosphere and will view you as Indian rather than US/UK/Aust/Canadian. I agree with posters above, that a girl in the Anglosphere super fixated on race has some axe to grind. Those girls are usually either a layup (they have some ethnic fetish) or not worth the hassle. Once you leave the Anglosphere, though, most people won't accept that you are Western. My question is how do you deal with that situation.

I've still had plenty of success abroad, but it's usually due to language skills, social circle, or some type of situational DHV. Cold approach nightgame pickup has been an uphill battle in countries where Indians aren't that popular - this is the type of situation where I most often got the racial inquiries but there weren't any of those mitigating factors that countered whatever negative perception they had.

At the end of the day, you can't change what you are. Lying about your ethnicity or trying to explain it away is weak as fuck. Your genetics are Indian, your history is Indian, your culture is at least partially Indian. Just be the baddest Indian they've ever seen. Do you really think a Russian or Chinese girl is going to care about your race if you're in fantastic shape, well-dressed, and clearly confident? I know you already have had success with these women, but trying to hide your ethnicity is a losing strategy.

I'm also very surprised that Russia is bad for Indians, I thought Bollywood was huge there. I'm following a girl on Instagram who hosts Bollywood classes in Moscow, it's full of white Russian girls. And Bollywood isn't like yoga, which can be easily stripped of its association with actual Indian people. It would be like a girl who loves Kpop and does Kpop dancing and still doesn't fuck with Asian guys, just doesn't make any sense.

No one is talking about hiding their ethnicity or lying. I never advocated that in this thread. But as Kaotic said,

(06-06-2018 01:23 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Personally I think if you're first generation that's born in the states, you should be American FIRST, Indian second.

There is nothing wrong in clearly stating that I'm American, taking pride in it, and not letting some stranger define who I am based on their need to fit people into neat boxes. No one said anything about hiding their ethnicity, but outside the Anglosphere, alot of girls have no idea that Indian-Americans/Canadians/Brits even exist. And let's be real - allowing them put you in the same category as all the FOBs is not going to help your prospects.

Did you read my previous posts? All I'm trying to do is solicit some opinions from other posters on this forum about how to deal with these types of situations when traveling outside the Anglosphere and the "where are you from?" question comes up. Most of the posters on this thread keep referencing their experiences in the Anglosphere, so maybe people just don't have enough experience abroad to understand the angle I'm coming from.

I've written many posts on this thread and the forum in general about Russia which I guess you didn't see - as I wrote before, Indians CAN do well there but they have to target Russian girls that are into brown guys. I've probably spent more time in Russia than all the other posters on this thread combined and spoke the language so unless someone has experience living in these countries on a day to day basis, and facing the xenophobia, then I'm not really interested in their generic "get in fantastic shape, well-dressed, and clearly confident" game advice. Not when I've gotten a dramatically better reception when traveling from there to other countries. Russia was the type of place where everyone laser focused on my ethnicity.

Genghis Khan had a good post summing up the "does race matter?" discussion so I don't want to rehash this. All I'm curious about is hearing from Western raised South Asian posters on their experiences handling the "where are you from?" question outside the Anglosphere. Not interested in a lecture about taking pride in my ethnicity.

Post: #367

This thing regarding WASP women has gone on long enough on this thread so I will make this post for you guys and anyone reading. I've noticed the following things about Indian guys and just guys in general who I have seen do well with this group and I'll add a key piece of advice at the end.

1. They were on the taller end, at least 5'10.

I have never seen an Indian guy shorter than 5'10 do well with these girls unless status was associated with him to some degree (nightclub owner, etc.). These girls are surrounded by 6'2 white guys so that is your competition.

2. They looked good, even if they were not classically handsome.

Everything was on point from style to physical appearance, these girls care more about looks than any other demographic out there.

3. They culturally fit in.

If you grew up around FOBs or urban minorities, you are facing an uphill battle. For one, these girls do not care about your work ethic or how rough you had it growing up, that just comes off as "poor" and "not cool". The only guys who can play this angle are black guys and even then, I find it is more of a niche game. You have to make yourself a part of her world and once again, be a guy she can show off to her friend.

4. They did not take themselves too seriously.

I feel like this is where ethnic guys fail, if you take yourself too seriously around these girls, you'll bore them. These women do not take life seriously, they know they can fuck up big time and be just fine. They love to make a fool out of themselves at bars and post it on social media to all of their followers who see it as cute. Do not take them seriously or yourself seriously around them.

5. But they were still some prideful dudes.

Whether it was about their heritage or about themselves in general, irrational confidence is a must. These women and their crowds will test you and you will fail with them on some cases, but you have to have a strong frame and a big abundance mentality.

The other key thing is that these women are suckers for popularity, social life and fitting in above all else.

If you really want these girls to envy you, have a lot of friends and be a social guy, at the very least they will get curious. I've gotten IOIs and interests from California girls who moved to NYC when they saw me out with a big crew, they wanted to know what was going on although they were interested in my friends too. It is the biggest nightmare for these women to have to deal with social isolation or not being in first place socially.

One dude I knew was gaming this hot blonde that went to UCLA, he negged the fuck out of her and said "I hear its kind of dry and all the fun goes on at USC, sorry you had to go through there". Dissed her alma mater, put her on the defensive and she was trying to qualify herself to him while being pissed at the same time. Most of these girls place a lot of value on their alma mater and sorority which they were a part of, it works well to neg them on this. My friend negged an Alpha Phi from USC by telling her that he prefers southern girls because they "know how to do Greek Life just right", you could tell he had this girl insecure!

These women put their lives on the line for image, the social media game and popularity well after high school. If you were the kind of guy who was popular in high school, you should be able to do well with them but if you were not, it is a learning curve. Most of these women are forever stuck in the high school popularity contest mode, high school truly never ends for these people.

If you can capitalize on this by either getting some status, having some pull at nightclubs/bars and building your popularity, I think you should be set along with knowing how to neg them. The white guys cleaning up with these women are basically doing this, it is why you see kids of rich people trying to bartend at nightclubs, because they want to smash these kinds of girls. I don't recommend throwing a career away on something like this but I guess if you want it desperately enough, why not.

Now if you are foreign to the idea of this or don't look your best, it sure as hell is a learning curve!

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(06-08-2018 03:58 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  1. They were on the taller end, at least 5'10.

I have never seen an Indian guy shorter than 5'10 do well with these girls unless status was associated with him to some degree (nightclub owner, etc.). These girls are surrounded by 6'2 white guys so that is your competition.

Women in general like tall guys, so this isn't news. Shorter guys will have to put in more effort and/or bring more to the table to have a fighting shot.

That said, many (not saying you specifically, beer) in the manosphere have this weird (and frankly, homoerotic) fixation on the "6'2" chad thundercock" that swoops in and bangs every woman. But while we're trading anecdotes and observations, here's some of mine:

1) One of the hottest WASP white girls I know is with a short Asian Filipino dude, barely 5'7" and not even athletically built. Just a chill, fun guy to be around. And she's a real catch too - Ivy League educated, pulls in 6 figs, extremely loyal etc. They met through social circle.

2) Consistently, the minority guys I see with cute girls of other groups, are just average guys, often no taller than 5'8" (IIRC kaotic is around that height too). And this is from 15 years in LA and 5.5 in NYC. I myself have pulled through day and nightgame all sorts of women in the 7 and 8 range in NYC, and I'm barely 5'7". This notion that to date cute girls outside your race, you have to be in the top 1% in looks or forget about it, is frankly amateurish and cartoon-like. I've seen way too many counterexamples over the years to believe it any more. Of course, all else being equal, that model-looking guy will easily do the best and rack up notches effortlessly, but how often are you going head-to-head in competition with a Ryan Gosling look-alike? I'm currently part of a few different Whatsapp groups with a number of Asian guys, for example, and there are some right now at this very moment cleaning up with 8s and up in the Baltics. I would share pictures but I don't think they'd be ok with it, but suffice it to say you do not need to be in the top 1% of looks to pull decent quality women, as long as you're strategic in the demographics of women you choose to game and are willing to persevere at least a little bit.

I suspect many in this thread (and this forum) skew young/fresh out of college so they understandably believe the same dynamic that was in play there (frat bros cleaning up with the hottest sorority girls) is how all the world works. But American unis are quite particular in that regard - spend some time in the real world, travel a bit and you'll see there's many ways in which to get quality women interested in you, be it for a quick fling or an LTR.

Tl;Dr; all else being equal, a taller, better looking dude will pull more, but it's not very often that "all else" is 100% equal from the girl's perspective, when she's evaluating guys. Lots of variables are in play in any given context at any given moment in time.

(06-08-2018 03:58 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  2. They looked good, even if they were not classically handsome.
3. They culturally fit in.
4. They did not take themselves too seriously.
5. But they were still some prideful dudes.

Agreed with all of the above.

Post: #369

See! Now we're getting somewhere on strategy and what it takes to bang women in general.

It needs to be hammered home, that alot of the stigma and insecurities are self manifested.

Post: #370

(06-08-2018 03:39 PM)Arado Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 01:16 PM)Bastard Sword Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 09:40 AM)Arado Wrote:  That's why I said in my original post that this happens much more often outside the Anglosphere. If you are in East Asia or Russia/Ukraine, the people will focus on your ethnicity to a much higher degree than in the Anglosphere and will view you as Indian rather than US/UK/Aust/Canadian. I agree with posters above, that a girl in the Anglosphere super fixated on race has some axe to grind. Those girls are usually either a layup (they have some ethnic fetish) or not worth the hassle. Once you leave the Anglosphere, though, most people won't accept that you are Western. My question is how do you deal with that situation.

I've still had plenty of success abroad, but it's usually due to language skills, social circle, or some type of situational DHV. Cold approach nightgame pickup has been an uphill battle in countries where Indians aren't that popular - this is the type of situation where I most often got the racial inquiries but there weren't any of those mitigating factors that countered whatever negative perception they had.

At the end of the day, you can't change what you are. Lying about your ethnicity or trying to explain it away is weak as fuck. Your genetics are Indian, your history is Indian, your culture is at least partially Indian. Just be the baddest Indian they've ever seen. Do you really think a Russian or Chinese girl is going to care about your race if you're in fantastic shape, well-dressed, and clearly confident? I know you already have had success with these women, but trying to hide your ethnicity is a losing strategy.

I'm also very surprised that Russia is bad for Indians, I thought Bollywood was huge there. I'm following a girl on Instagram who hosts Bollywood classes in Moscow, it's full of white Russian girls. And Bollywood isn't like yoga, which can be easily stripped of its association with actual Indian people. It would be like a girl who loves Kpop and does Kpop dancing and still doesn't fuck with Asian guys, just doesn't make any sense.

No one is talking about hiding their ethnicity or lying. I never advocated that in this thread. But as Kaotic said,

(06-06-2018 01:23 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Personally I think if you're first generation that's born in the states, you should be American FIRST, Indian second.

There is nothing wrong in clearly stating that I'm American, taking pride in it, and not letting some stranger define who I am based on their need to fit people into neat boxes. No one said anything about hiding their ethnicity, but outside the Anglosphere, alot of girls have no idea that Indian-Americans/Canadians/Brits even exist. And let's be real - allowing them put you in the same category as all the FOBs is not going to help your prospects.

Did you read my previous posts? All I'm trying to do is solicit some opinions from other posters on this forum about how to deal with these types of situations when traveling outside the Anglosphere and the "where are you from?" question comes up. Most of the posters on this thread keep referencing their experiences in the Anglosphere, so maybe people just don't have enough experience abroad to understand the angle I'm coming from.

I've written many posts on this thread and the forum in general about Russia which I guess you didn't see - as I wrote before, Indians CAN do well there but they have to target Russian girls that are into brown guys. I've probably spent more time in Russia than all the other posters on this thread combined and spoke the language so unless someone has experience living in these countries on a day to day basis, and facing the xenophobia, then I'm not really interested in their generic "get in fantastic shape, well-dressed, and clearly confident" game advice. Not when I've gotten a dramatically better reception when traveling from there to other countries. Russia was the type of place where everyone laser focused on my ethnicity.

Genghis Khan had a good post summing up the "does race matter?" discussion so I don't want to rehash this. All I'm curious about is hearing from Western raised South Asian posters on their experiences handling the "where are you from?" question outside the Anglosphere. Not interested in a lecture about taking pride in my ethnicity.

Arado, what kind of xenophobia did you face in Russia? I'm genuinely curious. Living in Russia as an Indian is a rare perspective.

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I don't doubt that a short and lesser attractive ethnic dude can get hot white girls but it would have to be done through social circle game or from a position of status. The guys on here talking about how they only knew ethnic guys that got hot girls due to social circle game, it is because that might have been the only avenue for those guys given their lack of looks.

If you want to get the kinds of girls we are speaking about through cold approach and online dating, looks and height matter.

But moving on to a more international discussion.


I've been reading the thread as someone who eventually wants to travel more internationally, have to say I love me some foreign women. I have no intentions of ever leaving America and settling down elsewhere so could care less for assimilating into the society. So far, here is my takeaway if anyone wants to correct me then feel free to do so.

You would be wise as a brown guy to avoid any kind of brown countries (South America and certain Eastern European countries) if you want to make it easy on yourself to get laid.

Assuming I get brown fever in the future, is there any idea as to how big of a setback you're facing with game in these places? Like would it help to go to Southern Brazil or Argentina where people are whiter to help out your exotic bonus?

While I am still having a tough time believing that people there would mistake an Indian guy as a local, it is something I want to know more about myself. A bit shocked to hear about Russia since I've had great experiences with the few Russian women.

I also have an idea, don't really use Tinder myself anymore so I don't pay for it but I do know that it used to have an international feature to where you can change your location to anywhere in the world. Am thinking either me or some brave soul on this thread can try and experiment to see how their results varied from city to city on an international level.

Post: #372

(06-09-2018 02:37 AM)Bastard Sword Wrote:  Arado, what kind of xenophobia did you face in Russia? I'm genuinely curious. Living in Russia as an Indian is a rare perspective.

Mainly not being allowed into places unless I was with a group of white people, hostility from girls when cold approaching, frequent ID checks from police on the street, zero willingness to accept I was American and overall unfriendliness of the people. On rare occasions you also have skinhead gangs attacking non-whites certain days of the year. This was where I non-stop got the "where are you REALLY from?" inquiries and never figured out a good way to respond without coming off as qualifying myself, that's why I keep asking on this thread how other Western born Indians deal with this question when traveling.

Remember, the same factors that make the manosphere/alt-right praise Russia as a bullwark against cultural degeneracy also create a strong in group preference and hostility towards outsiders. However, as discussed on the JP thread, in group preference is perfectly healthy and part of human nature, so I don't really resent them for it. I just wished I could have had more guidance at the time in terms of how to strategically target my gaming to avoid personal frustration and wasted time.

Like I keep saying, Russia is doable but as a brown guy you can't just do what your other white friends there do and expect to get the same success. Obviously looks maxing, style, and game help everywhere but in some countries you have to be strategic.

Post: #373

(06-10-2018 12:20 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  You would be wise as a brown guy to avoid any kind of brown countries (South America and certain Eastern European countries) if you want to make it easy on yourself to get laid.

Uhmm... not quite, but not entirely wrong either.

You mentioned South America so I'm assuming you have at least some curiosity about Latin women in general, so let's expand the geographic area for them to include all of Latin America - this would bring Mexico, countries in Central America and also places like Dominican Republic into the fold.

I had a great time in the DR and also in Mexico, and likewise in Colombia. I haven't been to other places in LatAm yet but plan to return sometime later this year.

Keep in mind that LatAm isn't just all brown - there's substantial variation to be found in the types of women you can find there. Literally, there's very dark skinned beauties in the DR (heavy African influence) to blonde, blue eyed women in Argentina, Southern Brazil etc. (migration from Europe in the aftermath of WW2).

Depending on where you go, you may have a positive DHV from being exotic, a negative DHV (i.e., the "wrong kind" of exotic, so to speak), or get a totally neutral reception. Colombia I felt was pretty neutral for me, but women were super friendly and if you dressed well and carried yourself confidently, they'd be willing to give you a shot for sure. I banged legit 8s here 10+ years younger than myself that I picked up through day and nightgame.

I also had a good time in Mexico, but was disappointed in the quantity of talent in Mexico City. OTOH, Guadalajara has noticeably more attractive women. If you like white-skinned, slim brunettes you'll like this city. I was actually picked up by a girl at a trendy bar here and she came on to me pretty strong, lol. But yes, Mexicanas are also very friendly and down to earth.

Argentina - have not been, but here's my impression of them: they're like the Slavs of LatAm. Hot as fuck, but hella prudish. They likely won't care about your US passport or the fact that you're exotic. One of my black friends went to BA and had a good time, but did experience blatant racism in Cordoba. He did mention though that talent was through the roof.

Brazil - they've been super friendly and flirty to me every single time I've encountered them here, which is why I'm goin to get my ass down there for sure sometime this year

Peru is known for having a very strong WG factor, and while I haven't been there myself, I haven't gotten anywhere with the few Peruvian girls I've tried to game here, stateside. Other Latin women have been much more open to me, so I'm inclined to believe there's something to this.

(06-10-2018 12:20 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  While I am still having a tough time believing that people there would mistake an Indian guy as a local, it is something I want to know more about myself. A bit shocked to hear about Russia since I've had great experiences with the few Russian women.

I also have an idea, don't really use Tinder myself anymore so I don't pay for it but I do know that it used to have an international feature to where you can change your location to anywhere in the world. Am thinking either me or some brave soul on this thread can try and experiment to see how their results varied from city to city on an international level.

Tinder pipelining is the standard MO for lots of guys on this forum to try and line up dates before they go somewhere. That said, it's questionable how reliable a signal that can be, depending on the place you intend to go to. There have been reports of guys lining up dozens of dates on Tinder, only to have ALL of them flake. Conversely, there's been reports (and I've experienced this myself) of not getting many matches but still doing very well on the ground.

Go ahead and try it out, it can't hurt. But nothing beats putting boots on the ground.

Oh and one other thing - knowing the local language will go a LONG way towards improving your odds with the hottest women wherever you go. It's a universal when it comes to gaming trips, so don't be lazy.

Haven't been much to EE, but I believe Arado and Crash_Bandicoot have traveled there extensively and can shed more light.

Post: #374

(05-22-2018 04:03 PM)Mr_Nobody Wrote:  YOU GUYS ARE UGLY AS FUCK[/size][/b][/u].

I might have taken this shit seriously if white people didn't look like pasty pieces of shit that can't sit under the sun without looking like a roasted pig.

Fucking hilarious that everything from the media to doors to high finance are stacked towards them and they are still so fucking pathetic they have to go to Cambodia to bang children while video-taping their wives getting of with black guys.

That is seriously fucking pathetic!

Post: #375

Some of the people on this thread are winding me up. With all due respect : a beer is enough stop fucking focusing on race so much. No one fucking cares. I don't care if 1000 Indian sex tourists descend on Bangkok and start raping the women, I don't want to hear you start moaning about how Indian men are ruining it for everyone.

Do you see White bastards cribbing because the complete filth of their society has invaded south east asia?

I also don't understand where all this hate for the Anglosphere is coming from?

I am a goddamn FOB straight from the motherland living in Sydney which has a huge number of POMS and White Europeans from everywhere coming as backpackers and they all chill as fuck. Australian women in the city are fucking FINE and they are extraordinarily polite. When people start generalizing on others the Aussie women are generally the ones who are always polite at least on the surface and English people are quite nice.

I will concede American women are a complete shit show, that fucking nasal accent winds me up like no other.


The Irish view me as bonafide exotic. I was walking in an Irish bar once absolutely shitfaced and a couple of women grabbed me straight up and told me I was cute. Interesting, lol that never happened to me before. I find it so hard to understand that accent though and they are really weird.