Yes, you've told us about so called 'self hating' ethnic women a lot.

Whilst some of them exist, the overwhelming majority of Indian women stay with indian men. We are well known as one of the most insular groups out there.

Now, I am not interested in having this discussion with you because many people have told you this but your post goes back to the same point now with zero value add.

With all due respect and others have told you this you have become annoying and your mentality is completely fucked with your weird assertions that Indian women with fair skin are harder.

Back on topic of people have online dating tips I would be very interested in hearing them

Cheers

(10-03-2018 08:54 PM)Western tiger Wrote:  Pretty much this.

It is disappointing that after everything a beer is enough still turned up to make the same regurgitating post he's made again and again that everyone says is not really indicative of the overall experience.

Anyway, for the guys cleaning up on dating apps could you provide a general guideline of your pics and the vibe of them. I get dates but not of the quality I want.

Do you have shirtless pics etc?

I have three bathroom mirror pics and two selfies. Then a brief self-description of my interests and a link to my Instagram. I also link my Spotify account. To my credit, I'm tall, with a good career, a lifter's frame and a bunch of tattoos. If I were short, poor, weak, and tattoo-less my online dating results would be very different.

Yeah, I see what you mean. What kind of girls do you match with?

Professional women or...?

Well I was in LTR's for most of the last year with two girls - each a musician with a day job in media. But between them, I went on a dating run with-
-A white teacher
-A blonde festival-type stoner
-Another white teacher
-An Indian cop (LOL)
-A club THOT with implants

I considered all these girls cute or pretty.

I match and date all kinds. I've given up trying to figure out what kinds of girls go for me, it's a pretty heterogenous group. I think that 'targeting' this demographic or that is a fool's errand and a waste of time. Better to go for girls who go for you and spend the bulk of your time building up a life you want to lead.

I agree.

I thought I had some decent pics but apart from two really hot matches I get nothing I'm interested in.

I live in a big city where speed dating seems to happen once a week. Lol, maybe I'll give that a go

If you don't have a thick enough skin to hear another guy's experiences and hearing that a sizable number of ethnic women, at least in the US, would readily fuck a white guy before a brown one then don't come on this thread.

Everyone is going to have a different experience and they'll share that, deal with it.

But moreso lets get back to this rude confrontational attitude.

I mean chill the fuck out rookie and if you genuinely wanted to know how to do well in online dating, you would have referred back to the page I told you about instead of being so damn sour over me saying a sizable number of ethnic women in the US prefer white guys.

We are all more than happy to talk online dating but if that is what you actually want to talk about, then make a post about that rather than taking shots at me because seeing some pale white guy fuck a hot brown girl makes you that angry. If you don't want to have that discussion then don't bring it up and at least go to the page I told you about to get the advice you want.

Now if you want to drop the shit and talk online dating instead of going against someone out of your weight class, lets do that.

BTW, you're welcome.

Quote:Minorities can most definitely slay on online dating and have great results, I've seen it with my own eyes and had a good deal of success with both Bumble and Tinder. What's weird is I heard it myself many times that women hate Indian men online and that whole squat, almost bought into it because at first I wasn't having much success with Bumble. Then I looked at profiles of my roommates and compared them to mines which was just selfies and boring pics. I think with a profile that is done well enough, a minority can have results on the same level as a tall good looking white guy assuming he is good looking himself. Even saw a viral post a while back of some brown guy with an FC Barcelona jersey who was getting matches out the ass on Tinder, not sure of where to find it now though, will have to look for it.

It is all in the story your profile tells and I think this is where white guys usually shine, they're usually willing to go out of their way to put together a real strong profile.

What I have noticed about guys who suck with online dating is that they are hideously ugly or lack the cool factor needed to succeed on a lot of these apps. You have guys that take bathroom selfies or pics of low quality that end up failing on these apps and blaming it on race but I've seen white guys who didn't fit the mold fail hard too. Your pics have to tell a story and have to say that you are a cool fun guy because the women on Bumble and Tinder are all about the fun factor.

While I can write a post about it, the one thing I'll point out is that anytime you come across a profile on Bumble of a hot girl, really observe the pic rather than just the girl herself. I used to notice how some of the girls who were insanely hot were not just hot, they had really well done pics. The pics were high quality and that is almost mandatory if you are a guy trying to get matches on these apps because you have those quick few seconds to get their attention.

For anyone struggling with online dating, I urge you to invest a lot in the quality of the photo. Any high quality photo won't do, it almost has to be a certain type that is a match for the app itself (pun not intended). Next time you are on these apps, really observe the profiles of the girls that stick out as hot to you, not just how hot they are. Observe how their pics are being done and if you have friends that are cleaning up on these apps, observe the way they do their pics.

Quote:Since we're on that topic, I do want to share some Bumble specific tips for Indian guys who are serious about having success on the app instead of whining about how white guys have it easier.

1. Be honest with yourselves and don't have unrealistic expectations.

If you're overweight, have very plain facial features and don't look good then I would pass on this app. I would tell a white guy the same thing, you need good looks in order to do well on dating apps. Way too many FOBs with guts, mustache and 70s clothing complaining about getting no matches on Bumble and how they can't compete with a Chris Hemsworth lookalike, be real with yourselves first and foremost.

Even if you are a above average or handsome as an Indian guy, don't expect to constantly match with hot blondes on that app because that doesn't even happen for a lot of handsome white guys. On the other hand, do expect to get matches from decent looking women from across the color spectrum. Most of my matches were either ethnic women or white women with brown or dark hair, no complaints on my end.

2. High quality pics, no exception.

I see way too many brown guys using selfies, this does not work. Unless you are ripped and extraordinarily handsome, don't rely on selfies. On the other hand if you look great without a shirt on then one high quality mirror selfie will do but a shirtless of you on the beach taken by someone else is far better. Have a photographer friend or real photographer take high quality photos of you that look generic instead of coming off as a try hard. A well done photo makes you look real and natural so try to have one done at a park or somewhere in public.

3. Pics of you with other people, preferably of other races, no exceptions.

Bonus points if you can get one with your friends of other races, preferably white but any other race will do. Pics of you with other people shows social value and the fact that you actually have friends. My main pic on Bumble was me at a Halloween party with two girls and two guys, it was high quality and got me matches like crazy. I was also dressed as Khal Drogo and managed to pull that off quite well, you need to be in good shape in order to do it though.

Pics of you with other people show women that you are a fun guy to be around and they can expect a fun time being around you. I'd say you make most of your pics to be pics with other people and one or two pics to be pics of just yourself. Make pics of you with other people your primary pic so women are forced to scroll down to see the rest of your profile and take an extra second to make a decision.

4. Get a vibe for the good pics by observing the good profiles.

As I mentioned earlier, the next time you are on Bumble and see a profile of a girl that really sticks out to you as hot, observe how the pics are done. Look at how they are presenting themselves and look at the quality of the photos. Lots of people make those quick split decisions based on the colors and photo quality, make them play to your advantage. If you can find a friend that kills it on the app, observe what kinds of photos they are using. Slowly start to experiment until you get the quality pics yourself, lots of trial and error involved there.

I see a few profiles struggling where guys get model pics done but the pics just look sort of bland, try to get a feel for high quality but also natural. I'd recommend using photofeeler and taking the pics that get the highest ratings.

5. Get the language and vibe of Bumble, it is geared towards the young and cool crowd.

The guys I found who killed it on Bumble were also the guys who were popular with women in their younger years. In many ways, Bumble is a high school popularity contest brought to real life. The guys who get the language and vibe of the app can pick up on what approach to take with it.

I'll say that the guys I know who have wrecked havoc on Bumble are the kinds of guys with over 1k Instagram followers who get 500+ likes per pic, they get the language of popularity. Now I was late to the game and still don't have a killer Instagram account but I learned from guys that did, they pick up on what kinds of pics to use and what kinds of bios to put on a profile. Try not to take yourself too seriously on the app, have a light-hearted sense of humor.

^I genuinely don't know what you're talking about when it comes to brown women "selling out" so to speak.

Pretty much every group mostly dates and bangs within their community. I guess there are some exceptions with black guys going for white girls and Asian girls going for white guys (and frequently for Mexicans, blacks, Indians, Persians where I live). But with that being said 99% of the Indian girls I know go for Indian guys. Here and there there are pockets that are dating white dudes but even those girls banged Indian guys in the past.

Stop conflating whatever weird pocket of Indian girls you're around with Indian girls everywhere. I could care less about a couple white guys banging Indian women. If anything good for them. Self hating PEOPLE with complexes can get fucked wherever they are.

What you're writing doesn't trigger anyone, it's just factually incorrect.

No one gives a fuck about OkCupid studies, I don't care if FOB Indians are doing worse online relatively than white people are.

(10-04-2018 05:01 AM)Salesian Wrote:  Well I was in LTR's for most of the last year with two girls - each a musician with a day job in media. But between them, I went on a dating run with-
-A white teacher
-A blonde festival-type stoner
-Another white teacher
-An Indian cop (LOL)
-A club THOT with implants

I considered all these girls cute or pretty.

I match and date all kinds. I've given up trying to figure out what kinds of girls go for me, it's a pretty heterogenous group. I think that 'targeting' this demographic or that is a fool's errand and a waste of time. Better to go for girls who go for you and spend the bulk of your time building up a life you want to lead.

where the fuck did you find an attractive female Indian cop? San Jose? That's the only place I've seen Indian American police officers in my life.

At what point do we ban this guy for his own good?

(10-04-2018 09:15 PM)Western tiger Wrote:  At what point do we ban this guy for his own good?

And I get told I am adding zero value? That's your fucking response?

After I go through and pull a post to help your with your online dating woes, that's your response!

I am almost forced to ask, whose fucking alt is this?

I think you forgot to tip your hat mate

That said I do agree with you that Indians especially foreign born ones embracing self depreciation grinds my gears. It really is pathetic for the point in time that we currently inhabit

^I think we can all agree with that. Yeah I'll joke about FOBs and bobs and vagene and Indian tech support every now and then, but yeah I've seen Indians fall into aggressive self deprecation. Random people online will make racist comments about Indians and you'll see a host of Uncle Toms saying "as an Indian, I agree with this". Imagine if there were trolls constantly bitching about how racist white people were, and with every comment you got white people saying "yeah, we're all racist pieces of shit".

With that being said the endless circle jerking about self-hating Indian women doesn't really help either. People need to stop believing that life is some kind of an endless pussy paradise for white guys.

By the way, when a girl says she prefers a certain type, it's usually untrue. My girl is Asian, she told me she doesn't like Asian guys and finds their features feminine. I ask her about all the guys she'd been with before me -- surprise surprise, all of them were Chinese. Light-skinned Indian girls giving you a bad vibe doesn't mean they look down on Indian men. For all you know an Indian guy fucked them up the ass and then didn't contact them again.

This shit about Indian girls being self hating is just IRT nonsense. I've seen it in a couple spots on the web (here, some subreddits) and usually call it out wherever I find it.

(10-05-2018 12:48 AM)UUU Wrote:  ^I think we can all agree with that. Yeah I'll joke about FOBs and bobs and vagene and Indian tech support every now and then, but yeah I've seen Indians fall into aggressive self deprecation. Random people online will make racist comments about Indians and you'll see a host of Uncle Toms saying "as an Indian, I agree with this". Imagine if there were trolls constantly bitching about how racist white people were, and with every comment you got white people saying "yeah, we're all racist pieces of shit".

With that being said the endless circle jerking about self-hating Indian women doesn't really help either. People need to stop believing that life is some kind of an endless pussy paradise for white guys.

By the way, when a girl says she prefers a certain type, it's usually untrue. My girl is Asian, she told me she doesn't like Asian guys and finds their features feminine. I ask her about all the guys she'd been with before me -- surprise surprise, all of them were Chinese. Light-skinned Indian girls giving you a bad vibe doesn't mean they look down on Indian men. For all you know an Indian guy fucked them up the ass and then didn't contact them again.

This shit about Indian girls being self hating is just IRT nonsense. I've seen it in a couple spots on the web (here, some subreddits) and usually call it out wherever I find it.

I agree not only the uncle Tom's but some guys living in the country do it online some do I see some nerd losers online posting some dumb shit all the time how the sucks wish I was living "abroad" wierdos check the American woman "assualted" in India thread it has some comments by those kind of guys but not everyone is that way so we may be reacting a bit.

I agree on the "sellouts" thing to some extent. While there are some Nazi boot licking hos but you are ignoring the other portions of girls who either only stick to us or won't mind dating/banging a brown guy. But the pale whitebois who they go for aren't Hemsworth lookalike either mostly nerds or average Joe's who either are a bit tall or some other shit to satisfy her provider needs. But I see a slight increase in girls sticking to a brown guy because of this anti white sentiment in the West and brown pride all that.

Well you can argue and waste a lot of time feeling bad cause a beta who can't get a girls of his own race found a brown Nazi or bang a big booty latina or a busty middle eastern/Persian it's sad tho even some of the Arab/Iranian/latinas other "brown" have some inferiority complex and flat out refuse to date their own men.
But the constant hating is only hurting yourself I feel the same way when I see a guy with an inbred face and glasses date a hot Punjabi or a Pakistani.

If you want to return the favour to a eurocuck go on an EE trip and bang some hotties and man the girls there are starting to have a black/brown/refugee fetish i hear so there is that.

^ Indians born in India like myself have a completely different mentality. They don't interact with westerners much and racial politics like that is absent in America so they don't see a problem in calling a spade a spade and how or words can be interpreted in a different way.

IMO, right now it is a curse but in the future when there is a substantial middle class in India it is quite possible that they could force others to bend to their worldview but it is difficult to predict how the chips fall in these kind of things

(10-05-2018 01:41 AM)Western tiger Wrote:  ^ Indians born in India like myself have a completely different mentality. They don't interact with westerners much and racial politics like that is absent in America so they don't see a problem in calling a spade a spade and how or words can be interpreted in a different way.

IMO, right now it is a curse but in the future when there is a substantial middle class in India it is quite possible that they could force others to bend to their worldview but it is difficult to predict how the chips fall in these kind of things

I am one myself also

^ good to know

Who knew we'd meet another Indian on a low key white supremacist website lol

We really are popping up everywhere!!

(10-05-2018 01:54 AM)Western tiger Wrote:  ^ good to know

Who knew we'd meet another Indian on a low key white supremacist website lol

We really are popping up everywhere!!

Actually, one day I was on stormfront for lolz and I came across a thread by a guy from Mumbai lmao

Buying into it or shit talking?

I feel we are still overrepresented in the shittier corners of the internet which is not surprising since most of the normal people are just out and about living their lives

(10-05-2018 02:14 AM)Western tiger Wrote:  Buying into it or shit talking?

I feel we are still overrepresented in the shittier corners of the internet which is not surprising since most of the normal people are just out and about living their lives

He was like light skinned Indians are rapists and savages and dark skinned ones are good something like that weird yeah it's retarded and only enhances the defeated attitude of guys whom you see bending over backwards before westerners

Braindead idiot to say the least.

You know I think I may be too old (28) to do this but for some of the people in their early twenties a really good experience would be getting your RYA Yacht master license.

After that you can go to quarterdeck for a week long course and if you finish that they guarantee employment on yacht week Croatia for the summer. It apparently pays around 550 euros a week so it will fund your backpacking around Europe.

If people are really in love with the sea it could lean towards a permanent career but for others it's a nice way to spend a year if you're willing to put your career on hold for a bit

So I wanted to go back to my experiences with game and why brown guys can do amazing in some parts of the US, maybe even the world, than others. I know we kind of thought about it earlier in the thread ourselves but no one wanted to take a stab at it, here it is.

I think that in a given area, the most common ethnic group there affects the culture and the mentality which plays out in the game. Groups that are prone to being insecure about themselves will have self-hate and that will play out in the form of racism, women that are very picky about race and hostility.

I recall my good experience in Columbus as well as the fact that I've had some of the best game experiences in Charleston. Even when I was in NYC, I stuck to the areas where the younger professionals from all across the country gathered and avoided places like Long Island, Staten Island and most of New Jersey like the plague. The reason being I've heard horror stories about East Coast whites and their racism, though I did find a few of their women (especially Italian American) to be hungry for darker cock from personal experience, I think that was more of an anomaly.

A while back I remember a book that talked about the price of whiteness and how certain immigrant groups in the US had to prove their whiteness by being racist towards black people. Now I think that sort of mentality of being insecure about your whiteness kind of leads those groups towards being racist for generations or at least seeing this race caste system.

I think that same sort of mentality can be applied to modern day Latinos and even a few brown groups, it no doubt rubs off on the women of that group which is why you see so many Latinas and Middle Eastern girls turning into white worshippers if they are not running tight with their ethnic clique. It creates this subtle racial hierarchy in a given area where people think about race constantly and see others primarily as their race, if that's the case we all know that a chubby white guy is going to beat out a handsome Indian guy.

This may as well be the case in certain places in the world like Latin America where a chubby blond guy is going to have more success with the hot girls in that part of the world than a Siddarth Malhorta lookalike.

Forum members have given me a ton of shit for this but I genuinely believe that ethnic people, especially the brown ones (Middle Eastern and Hispanic), are the most racist group of people in this country. A lot of the good looking women of that group are extremely status hungry and have the caste system implanted in their heads instead of just going for cool quality guys like your typical Midwestern white girl would.

But lets examine a city like Charleston or Columbus which is kind of the opposite of that. We should also examine whites who see themselves as "American" first, the mentality that persists across such areas.

The whites there largely see themselves as "American" and if there is racism towards Indians, it comes in the form of ignorance if anything instead of genuine hatred or an idea of "I don't want to darken my gene pool". It is in these sorts of areas where people see themselves as "American" where an Indian guy has a really high ceiling.

If you beat the stereotypes, you are given a chance.

"Americans" are a lot more secure in themselves than someone who is white and sees themselves as "Irish" or "Italian", likely growing up in an area where racism was a daily thing based on an extremely tribal mentality. It is why I think outside of certain parts of NYC, the east coast is extremely toxic for an ethnic guy to game in.

It even speaks to the fact that South Carolina appointed an Indian woman as their governor and has given the US both Aziz Ansari and that guy from 100 ft Journey, no doubt all of these people reached their true influential potential due to the environment. They likely made friends that brought out the best in them instead of having to stick with their dangerous ethnic cliques that would have dragged them down, making it crabs in a bucket.

No doubt its a complicated discussion to have but one I think has a huge impact on game given how much location matters if you are a minority.

I was just out in SF the other night. This is what I saw:

-A scrawny, nerdy white guy with a decent looking African immigrant girl
-An okay-looking Asian guy with a hot sorority type white girl
-A tiny, dark Indian guy with a pretty hot white girl
-An okay looking Latino guy with an Asian girl who looked like a model
-Me -- an okay-looking Indian guy with a good looking Asian girl (my GF)

Do any of these things fit in with your weird racial theories?

No, Mexicans and Middle Eastern people are not the most racist people in America. I've had plenty of good Mexican friends, always got along with them great. Never really had ME friends but I knew plenty of Indians who did.

If you don't vibe with a certain group of people, stop extrapolating that to all Indians. I don't get along with extremely fratty bros. I know plenty of Indians who do.

No, I don't see Mexicans or ME's turning to white worshippers. In fact I see the complete opposite. The hottest girls in my college were Mexican, 99% of the time they were dating other Mexicans. Same goes for Persians but probably to an even greater degree.

California has Indian mayors and politicians despite it being "horrible" for Indian guys.

You're wasting your time by constantly circle jerking about this stuff. Think about the genuinely productive things you could be doing instead of writing endless internet posts on race. Most of this stuff is blatantly false and is entirely based on your own particular experience.

We talk about this stuff because this stuff matters. The kind of environment a woman is raised in as well as the kinds of crowds she is around has a big impact on the kinds of guys she goes for. If you're smart as a guy in terms of game, you'll go to places and countries where your kind of a look will get you some of the better looking women without there being much obstacles.

Friends and having career success in an area does not say much, Indian guys will always find career success in the western world. We are talking about getting to sleep around with the most women and having the highest game ceiling in a given area, California (at least not the Bay Area) is not that place and I've talked to enough Indian guys to know it should be avoided.

You should be putting in all of the effort to improve yourself but it would be foolish for an Indian guy to pick a country like Brazil over say a place like Denmark. In the former, he will always be picking up scraps due to the hunger local women have to be as white as possible. In the latter, women will be a lot more objective and in some cases even partial towards a cool dude with that exotic look.

Now I know I've been hard on ethnic women in the US because from my experience, at least my college days, the sexiest Latin and brown women all went for white guys. From what I have noticed it is generally true as well if these women are assimilating into American culture which most women are.

That being said, I do think that it is possible to meet a sizable number of brown and ethnic women who are assimilating into American culture, hot and don't have as much bias against ethnic guys. I think that there might be even a few out there that are partial towards a well put together brown guy too.

It all depends on the kind of environment she grew up in.