(09-23-2018 10:51 PM)browndude Wrote:  The above discussion is getting old. I want to post two questions:

1) Do ya'll optimize name, background etc. for game or stay "true" to yourselves?
- I tweaked my fob friends accent, name, and background (claimed he's from dubai / london) to great effect. Chicks loved his name and accent and said wow so exotic etc.
- I have noticed claiming brazilian + egyptian mixed gets chicks hyper interested and your perceived smv goes up and have used it successfully. I have some reservations from a philosophical perspective and hard to convert these ONS' into anything real after lying

2) Any silver bullet travel destinations?
- Putting my two cents in, Barcelona was straight garbage for me, Mexico city A++ too easy and smokeshows, St Petersburg / Moscow excellent Russian chicks dig bollywood, Berlin decent, Ibiza decent

Yes, I'd love to move on but you'll realize the nature of this thread and our brethren will always cause drama. The shit has to be kept in check lest much more of it happens and diminishes posts like yours.

Moving on, Polish women also love Indian guys if you're cool. Also try the south including Texas (esp if you say you're from NY) and South Carolina.

Let's just say I know at least one Indian guy that has had success with these niches.

(09-23-2018 12:01 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  You should just stay white, you'd be a self-hating Indian instead of an honorary one based on your last post and we have too many of those anyways.....

(09-23-2018 09:29 AM)MANic Wrote:  Interesting that this page has gone to 27 pages. I think the problem with the US is that most of your immigrants are STEM nerds and their kids just continue the cycle.

Indians here in South Africa, West Indies (mostly 4th/5th/6th gen) probably UK and Canada (not entirely certain about the latter two) don't have to deal with the nerdy low T stereotypes. Unfortunately, stereotypes have a massive impact initially. I'd hate to be a FOB (even a handsome one) purely because of the awful stereotype and the admittedly bad accents.

While Indians in those places don't have to deal with the nerdy stereotypes, they do have to deal with other low value stereotypes that make women less open to them. As I have said in the thread previously, in most of the US a well put together Indian can start off with a clean slate at worst an an exotic advantage at best.

Canada is not too kind to Indians in terms of interracial dating from what I have heard and there are targeted stereotypes towards Indians in the UK.

Look if you cannot do well in the US as an Indian guy, the problem is you.

Perhaps, you would know infinitely more about the USA then I do. I've only visited once and when I was much younger. My opinion is just based on the fact that a lot of guys based in the US are running around asking questions like 'should I say I'm Indian' etc. Which indicates some sort of lowered self esteem which I simply don't see here (in South Africa).

(09-23-2018 10:51 PM)browndude Wrote:  The above discussion is getting old. I want to post two questions:

1) Do ya'll optimize name, background etc. for game or stay "true" to yourselves?
- I tweaked my fob friends accent, name, and background (claimed he's from dubai / london) to great effect. Chicks loved his name and accent and said wow so exotic etc.
- I have noticed claiming brazilian + egyptian mixed gets chicks hyper interested and your perceived smv goes up and have used it successfully. I have some reservations from a philosophical perspective and hard to convert these ONS' into anything real after lying

2) Any silver bullet travel destinations?
- Putting my two cents in, Barcelona was straight garbage for me, Mexico city A++ too easy and smokeshows, St Petersburg / Moscow excellent Russian chicks dig bollywood, Berlin decent, Ibiza decent

It' pretty weak man. I personally think claiming any thing elsevis demeaning and degrading to yourself and somethig I would never do. In terms of accent, it's just the awful intonation that South Asians have when speaking English that sounds bad and I would change that not the general accent.

If you really do feel that being "Indian" holds you back their is a compromise, not something that I would suggest but you could posaibly use this.

Girl: "So where are you from?"

Browndude: "Gujarat/Kerala/Tamil Nadu/Punjab"

and then you can go into some spiel about being a seperatist on some shit if the moment is right (seperatist movements are virtually non-existent in the former two states but nobody really cares). I wouldn't suggest it but its almost certainly less likely to give rise to negative stereotypes.

So the same guy(s) who have gone around liking my posts one day are saying I add no value the next, make up your mind. Lately I have not made any thread personal but some guys get sour because on a past thread I admitted that certain jobs that won't make the typical Indian parents proud get a lot of tail, get over it. I am not the one who made things personal here and brought over drama from another thread, all I did was pointed out an issue I saw.

I try to do my best by respecting guys and not making things personal but some members are under the impression that they can push their weight around because they've been here longer, that's not okay but lets relate that to this thread.

I want to dig in a bit to how some of the latest posts on this very thread shows what is wrong with the psyche of most Indian men that results in poor results out there.

For one, the way this whole situation played out with the tech support corner store joke is sad but also very telling.

In all fairness, it isn't just an Indian guy thing either, a lot of other ethnic minorities suffer from it too when trying to fit in.

We are in no position to let guys of any race come in and make decade old used up jokes because they are trying to win a cheap laugh and I don't mean to take jabs at anyone here. If it was funny or original, I'd have laughed. If this happened on the black guy game thread, it would not have earned a lot of fans and look at what race is doing better with game. Quite frankly I think that Indian guys can benefit a great deal by having black friends only for the contrast between one group being quite alpha and the other needing some work there.

It irritates me in the few situations I have personally seen Indian guys rag on their own race and let others make jokes about it in order to fit in or show themselves as having a sense of humor. Unless it is a hot girl you're fucking or a friend from another race that is literally like a brother to you, its not okay to let these sorts of things slide.

You cannot show yourself as docile and easy to step over as a man in general but as an Indian or Asian guy in the US, you definitely can't do that shit because of what is already out there. The same guy who thinks he can easily rag on your heritage without any blowback today will think he can easily snatch that hot girl off your arms tomorrow. There is a fine line between being able to take a joke and laugh at yourself versus throwing your race under the bus just to fit in and make friends.

Stop trying to pass for other races and own up to your Indian appearance.

Don't cave in and be one of those brown guys who tells women you're "Italian", looks real pathetic. If your heritage or ethnicity is Indian, either ignore it until they ask and then say Indian. I have always noticed it being a thing among Indians who'll brag about being mistaken for another race, at its very core it just shows how you feel that your heritage sucks or is less attractive.

My thoughts there are tell them where you were raised and if they keep digging, answer it and move on but don't lie and tell them you're Hispanic or Latin or something. As bad as the stereotypes might be towards Indian guys in a lot of the world, there has to be some degree of owning up to your heritage instead of completely lying about it.

I think I contributed all I could to this thread at this point including my experiences and thoughts. It might have been my mistake to bump it but I just didn't want this gem to get lost in the pages, maybe some members would offer new thoughts.

At this point, I don't think I have anything more to add.

(09-23-2018 10:51 PM)browndude Wrote:  2) Any silver bullet travel destinations?
- Putting my two cents in, Barcelona was straight garbage for me, Mexico city A++ too easy and smokeshows, St Petersburg / Moscow excellent Russian chicks dig bollywood, Berlin decent, Ibiza decent

Would love if it you could post some datasheets on these places. I've said before on this thread that so far it's been overwhelmingly US-centric with very little in the way of international game destination info.

Btw, I spent time in Mexico City as well (Polanco area) and was sorely disappointed by the girls in that city. Outside of the top-tier clubs I found the average talent to be dismally low. The story was dramatically different in Guadalajara, however, where there are tons of slim, European looking girls walking about. It's a night and day difference between the two cities really. But to each his own...

Crash_Bandicoot has posted about his LatAm travels, Arado talked about Russia (his experience was very different than yours, might I add). And I've talked about my time in Colombia (albeit in the Colombia thread).

More recently, this past August I had a great time on the Greek islands as well, where I smashed this gorgeous Italian 13 yrs my junior, and literally had to turn away an Austrian that wanted to go home with me. There was also another Spanish chic 10 years younger than me that wanted to hook up, but I didn't have the time to follow through. There was also the Argentinian I foolishly passed on And then the gorgeous Athenian girl that I almost SNL'ed the night before my flight back home... *sigh* Not to mention the two 20 year old German girls I picked up on the subway, lol.

All of this in just a matter of 6 days. Had I spent longer I could've done some major damage I'm sure.

Wow, I need to hit up Greece. I don’t disagree on Mexico City I.e talent is ok but one of the top 4 chicks I’ve ever fucked was a random club pick up there. On top of that she is basically in love w me a year later. That’s the thing about latinas, they fucking love you. I will be checking out guadalajara asap.

To all the criticism above, bros it’s just a question. Simply discussing what’s more important, staying true to inner self or optimizing bangs.

^Answer: Both

(09-24-2018 07:56 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  So the same guy(s) who have gone around liking my posts one day are saying I add no value the next, make up your mind. Lately I have not made any thread personal but some guys get sour because on a past thread I admitted that certain jobs that won't make the typical Indian parents proud get a lot of tail, get over it. I am not the one who made things personal here and brought over drama from another thread, all I did was pointed out an issue I saw.

I try to do my best by respecting guys and not making things personal but some members are under the impression that they can push their weight around because they've been here longer, that's not okay but lets relate that to this thread.

I want to dig in a bit to how some of the latest posts on this very thread shows what is wrong with the psyche of most Indian men that results in poor results out there.

For one, the way this whole situation played out with the tech support corner store joke is sad but also very telling.

In all fairness, it isn't just an Indian guy thing either, a lot of other ethnic minorities suffer from it too when trying to fit in.

We are in no position to let guys of any race come in and make decade old used up jokes because they are trying to win a cheap laugh and I don't mean to take jabs at anyone here. If it was funny or original, I'd have laughed. If this happened on the black guy game thread, it would not have earned a lot of fans and look at what race is doing better with game. Quite frankly I think that Indian guys can benefit a great deal by having black friends only for the contrast between one group being quite alpha and the other needing some work there.

It irritates me in the few situations I have personally seen Indian guys rag on their own race and let others make jokes about it in order to fit in or show themselves as having a sense of humor. Unless it is a hot girl you're fucking or a friend from another race that is literally like a brother to you, its not okay to let these sorts of things slide.

You cannot show yourself as docile and easy to step over as a man in general but as an Indian or Asian guy in the US, you definitely can't do that shit because of what is already out there. The same guy who thinks he can easily rag on your heritage without any blowback today will think he can easily snatch that hot girl off your arms tomorrow. There is a fine line between being able to take a joke and laugh at yourself versus throwing your race under the bus just to fit in and make friends.

Stop trying to pass for other races and own up to your Indian appearance.

Don't cave in and be one of those brown guys who tells women you're "Italian", looks real pathetic. If your heritage or ethnicity is Indian, either ignore it until they ask and then say Indian. I have always noticed it being a thing among Indians who'll brag about being mistaken for another race, at its very core it just shows how you feel that your heritage sucks or is less attractive.

My thoughts there are tell them where you were raised and if they keep digging, answer it and move on but don't lie and tell them you're Hispanic or Latin or something. As bad as the stereotypes might be towards Indian guys in a lot of the world, there has to be some degree of owning up to your heritage instead of completely lying about it.

I think I contributed all I could to this thread at this point including my experiences and thoughts. It might have been my mistake to bump it but I just didn't want this gem to get lost in the pages, maybe some members would offer new thoughts.

At this point, I don't think I have anything more to add.

Yeah really not sure why beer is getting shit for this. Again, I don't think Dulceacido is a bad guy, if him and doc know each other and rib on each other that's fine. With that being said, I've definitely met a lot of people who are comfortable trolling Indians -- and even worse, Indians who accept the trolling, don't stand up for themselves, and go along with it to seem like they have a sense of humor.

It's definitely a cultural problem. It's not as bad as the in-your-face racism that older members like Cobra or Doc faced, but it's still an issue that holds back Indian and Asian guys in general.

Agreed on how pretending not to be Indian is a weak move. No girl is going to believe you if you say you're half Egyptian half Brazilian, and pretending that you're a Tamil separatist (lol) is nonsensical. Every Indian guy I know who has been successful with game was real about their identity. They didn't make a massive deal about it, but they also didn't go in the opposite direction and deny who they were. I never denied my identity, neither did the whitewashed Indian frat stars, neither did the bhangra captains, neither did any high SMV Indian guy I've met in my life.

The most important thing for Indian guys is really not just making a huge deal out of your background. There are brown guys of many nationalities who do fine with women/fine in life and just see themselves as normal dudes. They don't define themselves by their Pakistani, Persian, Afghan etc identity, they just go about their lives and do the shit that they enjoy. They don't get held back by the fact that their home countries are poor and Islamic, nor do they endlessly worry about whether women are going to judge them for their race.

Dulce and I are ribbing each other of course. It's what men do to each other as a form of building camaraderie and it's also kind of a shit test, to see if the other guy is emotionally strong enough to handle what's being dished. That's the problem with younger guys and girls who've been raised in this stifling, politically correct environment, everyone is hypersensitive and cries racism the moment anyone makes a joke. UUU, the amount of in your face racism I faced as a kid back in the 70s is something none of you younger cats could handle based on how some of you guys are responding to Dulceacido's jokes. If I laugh at Dulce's Indian jokes, then people get mad at me for not being hypersensitive and springing to defend our culture. Similarly, if I make WRT jokes then those guys get upset, really upset in some cases.

Beer, just because I've liked a few of your posts here and there doesn't mean I think you're adding value overall. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. UUU, Beer is getting shit on not just here but elsewhere in the forum as well because he just posts about the same nonsense over and over again. He's using the forum as his personal therapy forum and a lot of guys are getting fed up with it, myself included. I'm particularly annoyed because all he's doing is reinforcing Indian stereotypes with his behavior and he never seems to report about any of the steps he's taking to make his life better. For godsakes,he wants to quit his high paying job and be a bartender, just to get laid. You want to get mad at Indians being made fun of, then get mad at guys like Beer who have zero self-awareness and do everything possible to reinforce all the jokes people make about Indians. This sounds very harsh but there's no sugar coating this and given everything I've gone through in my life, I'm not going to be lectured to on this subject.

Doc is acting really fucking petty right now. I thought it started when I said his friend's joke was not funny but its something else, quite honestly Doc, I could give less of a fuck. You could have had the decency to personally message me instead of dragging things into this thread.

Check the posts, I haven't used this thread as a personal therapy session, you're the one making things personal here. I shared my recent successes on this very thread like my trip to Columbus, you probably even liked it.

But lets relate this whole members being fed up thing to the Indian stereotypes and mentality again.

In all my time on this forum, I never attacked a member no matter how new or how senior they were. Now there have been a handful of times, like this thread, when a senior member attacked me because they had an axe to grind or a grudge they carried from another thread. I get that when you have some thoughts that don't fit the status quo, it will rub guys the wrong way but they can disagree with it respectfully or honestly grow a fucking pair and message me directly that they have a problem. Tell me the problem they have and we'll talk about it.

Now some guys do want to make things that personal, have bad blood because an aspiration of yours rubs them the wrong way and use their seniority to just push people around for having different aspirations in life. Some guys just feel like they can come into threads and out of nowhere making things personal and attacking someone they have disagreed with on another thread because they have more seniority.

It would be the most Indian thing for me to bendover backwards, take it, keep my mouth shut and bow out because some guys are "fed up". I'll say get used to people being "fed up".

Pursuing a path in life different from what your Indian community laid out for you? Lots of people are going to be "fed up".

Not listening to elders who have an aged view on life? Lots of people are going to be "fed up".

Breaking the stereotypes society has of Indians? Lots of people are going to be "fed up".

Fucking hot girls of other races? You can bet your ass lots of guys and even girls are going to be "fed up" and tell you to stick to your own kind.

It is the Indian stereotype and mentality to bow out and bend because people are "fed up", get used to it, when you break the stereotype and go down the different path people are used to seeing then lots of people are going to be "fed up".

So Doc, my only response to this whole fed up think is fuck it.

I have nothing against you or anyone on this thread or forum but I am not dealing with this shit of being personally attacked when all I did was call out a joke I did not find funny, sticking completely with what I said.

(09-26-2018 12:10 AM)a beer is enough Wrote:  Doc is acting really fucking petty right now. I thought it started when I said his friend's joke was not funny but its something else, quite honestly Doc, I could give less of a fuck. You could have had the decency to personally message me instead of dragging things into this thread.

Check the posts, I haven't used this thread as a personal therapy session, you're the one making things personal here. I shared my recent successes on this very thread like my trip to Columbus, you probably even liked it.

But lets relate this whole members being fed up thing to the Indian stereotypes and mentality again.

In all my time on this forum, I never attacked a member no matter how new or how senior they were. Now there have been a handful of times, like this thread, when a senior member attacked me because they had an axe to grind or a grudge they carried from another thread. I get that when you have some thoughts that don't fit the status quo, it will rub guys the wrong way but they can disagree with it respectfully or honestly grow a fucking pair and message me directly that they have a problem. Tell me the problem they have and we'll talk about it.

Now some guys do want to make things that personal, have bad blood because an aspiration of yours rubs them the wrong way and use their seniority to just push people around for having different aspirations in life. Some guys just feel like they can come into threads and out of nowhere making things personal and attacking someone they have disagreed with on another thread because they have more seniority.

It would be the most Indian thing for me to bendover backwards, take it, keep my mouth shut and bow out because some guys are "fed up". I'll say get used to people being "fed up".

Pursuing a path in life different from what your Indian community laid out for you? Lots of people are going to be "fed up".

Not listening to elders who have an aged view on life? Lots of people are going to be "fed up".

Breaking the stereotypes society has of Indians? Lots of people are going to be "fed up".

Fucking hot girls of other races? You can bet your ass lots of guys and even girls are going to be "fed up" and tell you to stick to your own kind.

It is the Indian stereotype and mentality to bow out and bend because people are "fed up", get used to it, when you break the stereotype and go down the different path people are used to seeing then lots of people are going to be "fed up".

So Doc, my only response to this whole fed up think is fuck it.

I have nothing against you or anyone on this thread or forum but I am not dealing with this shit of being personally attacked when all I did was call out a joke I did not find funny, sticking completely with what I said.

Look beer. I don't wish for this tiff to get any nastier than it seems to be getting. My advice for you? Just agree to disagree & keep things moving. When I think about one of your best value-add posts in recent times, it was the one where you spoke about a real-life experience visiting Columbus, Ohio. I think many people in the forum would rather hear about those types of real-life experiences / trip reports rather than theoretical questions like whether or not white collar office workers or bartenders build better social circles and/or get laid with greater frequency. I haven't personally met the legendary doc holliday, but I know someone who has, and doc is a real-ass O.G. in this forum. If there is one cool really thing in Indian culture, it is the whole concept of respecting your elders. So I suggest that you take a deep breath, relax, agree to disagree. Maybe take a break. And maybe change the nature of your posts to real life wins & losses. My suggestion. It's up to you whether or not you want to go that route. I just don't want to see this spiral outta control & see you in the same boat that "Bastard Sword" ended up in.

Jordy thanks for the kinds words. I'm not nearly as special as Jordy is making me out to be at all but Beer I will just say that I think you should listen to Jordy's great post, he is being far more diplomatic than I am. I'm glad you're defending yourself, nothing wrong with that all and I know my words were maybe too harsh but the basic point still stands. You have to have more self awareness and stop bothering everyone with your repetitive posts. I think you have some potential but right now I think you're wasting too much time posting on things that have already been talked about ad nauseum and not talking enough about what actions your taking. I wont say anymore on this subject as I think we've derailed the thread enough but I think Jordy is 100% correct and I think you should take his words to heart.

@beer

Why don't you start a self improvement/approach/fitness fashion thread bro?

I asked this many times already.

We can actually help you there.

(09-24-2018 07:56 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  Don't cave in and be one of those brown guys who tells women you're "Italian", looks real pathetic.

You're just jealous because you do not look "Italian" or "Southern European". Probably an Americanized version of an H-1B engineer from South India with a moustache.

^ Absolutely nothing wrong with fabulously maintained moustache

Honestly I think the best game tip for most Indian guys is to avoid the internet for advice. You’ll get IRT’s extrapolating their personal experience to anyone and everyone else, WRTs saying ignorant bullshit, and a whole load of toxic nonsense. I’d use the internet for barebones advice at best and spend as little time on it as possible — especially Indian guys who are actually trying to educate and improve themselves. The huge deal people online make about being Indian — racist BS from WRTs and self hating drivel from IRT — is easily one of the biggest impediments to Indian men educating and improving themselves.

I think a couple of you really need to build up your self esteem, understand how to take a joke, also how to self deprecate and to gain a hard shell. If you can't take or give out a verbal ribbing, you're not cut out for game.

A really young white girl at work asked me what kind of music I like.

I said "Bollywood" dead looking in her eye. Fun conversation.

Funny thing is, that it's true.

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Of course this music is geared towards a younger club crowd, but I gotta say this Dutch raised Punjabi / Pakistani musician Imran Khan has a swag that can translate well globally. I guess the feel of flash & money in his music videos almost resembles that of say an Arab or Persian guy making it rain in the club. The beats sound a lot like modern American hip hop / trap music. I can almost picture Miami's DJ Khaled doing a quick hypeman intro to something like this.

Thank you for helping cool things down in here Jordy. I won't be starting any logs, I know what I want and a lot of the work needed to get it.

While I have been arguing with Cobra a great deal, I'll say what he posted about Polish women and especially southern women (greatly depends on the state though) is 100% true. Of all the cities, I'd say I probably had the best experience in Charleston, SC. I too have met, seen and even peeked on social media pages of some of the girls I've met to find one token Indian dude hooking up with hot girls.

Almost guarantee it that if you take a hot college girl from a Texas or southern state school (once again, depends greatly on the state), there was likely a token Indian guy in her crew during her college days that seemed to be cleaning up.

Reflecting on my own experience, PMing with some of you back and forth as well as reading the posts on this thread, I feel like I have an idea of the kind of vibe of a place in which race would be an issue versus where it would not. Goes back to the state school girl versus Ivy League girl argument.

We talk about San Francisco being one of the worst cities for men but especially Indian men. I think certain traits outside of gender ratios make the city horrible for even some quality Indian guys.

For one, its that hypercompetitive academic type of atmosphere you get when you flood a city with Ivy League and Stanford grads. Everyone is constantly trying to one-up each other in a passive aggressive way that you have to experience for yourself because it is so tough to describe.

The next thing I've been back and forth with forum members on but you get a lot of cut-throat competitive ethnic people and if you hang around them, its a crabs in a bucket mentality.

While I have Asian and Indian friends, the super-academic type that fit the model minority stereotype tend to also be the ones who are either a bit uncomfortable seeing an Indian guy do well with game or at worst even try to attack you in a passive aggressive way for it. Guarantee they will be the first ones to throw limiting beliefs about race in your face every chance they get.

Compare that to a party island, Charleston and certain areas of NYC where the fun vibe is there.

Its not so cut and dry, people want to actually have a fun time without giving that much of a fuck and everyone is there to live in the moment.

This is why I laugh whenever I hear of guys saying how it is impossible for us to game party girls at a state school. I mean the typical guy of our race can't do it but one who is a fun dude that is assimilated will do just fine.

These girls are literally there to have fun with life and enjoy awesome experiences, they don't care to learn the ins and outs of brown culture and then throw feminism in your face or carry some irrational grudge against Indian men. I mean sure they'll say ignorant shit but it is out of being ignorant, not out of hatred like you get with some self-hating insecure ethnic women.

I'm a brown programmer in the Bay Area, fully reliant on dating apps (Tinder, Bumble, League, Hinge), and I do fine. Maybe 30-40 matches, and 2-3 dates per week when I give a shit. I primarily date white and Latina girls.

I've also done fine in the other major cities I've been to: Los Angeles, Portland, & Miami.

Much of the conjecture in this thread runs counter to my experiences. If a guy doesn't do well in one city, transporting him to another isn't magically going to make him a slayer. SMV and hypergamy are biological absolutes; no matter the man, up his SMV and he'll do better.

Pretty much this.

99% of the shit some people are saying is completely inapplicable to my life. Asians hating Indians, Indian girls mass abandoning Indian guys...all of this shit is stuff that I’ve never seen in my life. I lived in the Bay Area and I did fine too. Online is money out there.

Also agree with your point about SMV — I’ve met incredibly jacked good looking Indians who would kill absolutely anywhere.

If I had a tip fpr Indians generally it would be to actually travel and learn about India(to counteract IRT self hate) and really dedicate time to a sport. Many of the non Indian guys I knew were serious as fuck about athletics which obviously gave them an edge.

Pretty much this.

It is disappointing that after everything a beer is enough still turned up to make the same regurgitating post he's made again and again that everyone says is not really indicative of the overall experience.

Anyway, for the guys cleaning up on dating apps could you provide a general guideline of your pics and the vibe of them. I get dates but not of the quality I want.

Do you have shirtless pics etc?

For you to have knowledge of my "regurgitating" posts but not look far back enough to where I offered advice on how to do well on dating apps, come on now dude. Go read page 18 again and thank me later.

I am always going to share the experiences I have had. From what I have seen yes other ethnic people tend to hate Indians more in a game sense and the self-hate among a lot of ethnic women in the US is strong.

But I'll get to what I really wanted to get to in my post, the silver lining in being a well put together brown guy when it comes to game and it is rarely acknowledged, you're a big fish in a small pond.

I actually think that a well put together Indian guy probably has some advantages over a well put together white guy because of the fact that he doesn't have as much competition. A white guy is generally being compared to most guys of his race and there are just too many high SMV white guys to go around, he really has to stand out and he is fighting in an over-saturated market. The demand is high but the supply is almost as high if not higher.

Even with women I've felt the same way. I generally prefer white girls over brown girls but when I do see a brown girl that looks hot, I'll go for her over the white girl because it isn't as common for me to see high SMV brown girls. It is so easy for a good looking brown girl to stick out compared to a hot white girl who are dime a dozen.

Earlier in the thread I read posts about how almost every brown guy a user has known who was well put together had more than enough options with women, this has been my experience too.

There are more than a sizable number of women out there who are open to and even partial towards guys that look exotic, the demand exceeds the supply. Capitalize on the fact that most brown guys are not well put together.

As for San Fran, I would never recommend it for an Indian guy or for men in general. I am always glad to hear of an Indian guy breaking the trend to do well but I'll say the experiences I along with other guys I know have had.

The biggest takeaway after all the arguments and different experiences anyone should have is that if you have put in enough work on yourself, there is a market out there for you as a brown guy, at least in the western world.