Post: #301

(02-20-2018 07:30 PM)BlueMark Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:21 PM)Dusty Wrote:  Now do it for just white people in those countries.

I don't know if there's an easy source for those numbers across all countries, for all races, for both gun and non-gun homicides. If someone else here has a lot of time, go right ahead.

Here's the original post I was referring to:
/thread-67241...pid1740164

My point is that this graph shows how futile it is to focus on gun homicides and tying that to the gun culture. It's really an issue of the USA being (on average) a more violent society, but I wouldn't be surprised if the non-gun violence is mostly from inner cities too.

An interesting fact is maybe that Maine, Minnesota and New Hampshire have low murder rates on par with European and almost with North East Asian countries, so there you can see that gun culture and homicides might not be tied.

Post: #302

(02-21-2018 12:25 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

Interesting theory and guess what - the demolition of the school has been decided - heh heh:

http://www.businessinsider.com/marjory-s...018-2?IR=T

Quote:The building where the Florida school shooting took place will be torn down

Guess Uncle Sam has all the taxpayer money in the world. Couldn't they sell it and get a few million out of it? Nah - it must be destroyed.

Would not surprise me if the story above is true.

Post: #303

(02-21-2018 01:05 AM)Samseau Wrote:  If you filter America's crime stats to just Whites, it looks like any other European country. But even then the stats are misleading because Hispanics are often counted as White despite not being from heritage America.

Filter to Non-immigrant Whites and you'll see why focusing on guns is retarded.

Arabs and Muslims are also counted as white in the US.

Also I might add - the crime rate of Whites in the US will be higher than in Europe because there are far more drugs flooding the market and the economic system is more extreme with the bottom 15-20% in IQ having x-times the difficulty than in countries like Germany or Sweden. Sure - many of low-IQ local Germans will be unemployed now, but they can eek out a more satisfying existence than in the US where there are more pressures for them. If you have lived both in the EU and the US, then you know what I am talking about.

The same Americans living in the Netherlands or Belgium would not be doing crime at the same rate.

Post: #304

The sad fact about the conspiracy theories from here back to JFK is that from this point on it really doesn't matter if they're true or not.

Someone could massacre 100 kids and leave a solid trail of evidence a mile long that makes it utterly clear that they were either a lone wolf attacker OR a deep state pawn.

Like I said in the Trump thread. At this point the battle lines have all but hardened. Nobody is interested in the evidence, and sadly that's with good cause.

Let's imagine you're a liberal. You have a conservative neighbour with whom you share a mutual hatred and have exchanged mutual death threats. One day someone shoots up your house and you assume it's your neighbour, but an investigation clears him because he had an alibi. Do you give a shit? Of course not. You want that motherfucker's guns confiscated, NOW!

On the flip side. You're a conservative and you have a liberal neighbour with whom you share mutual death threats. One day your neighbours house gets shot up. You suspect that your neighbour might have done it himself as a pretext to have you disarmed but you don't know for sure. Your neighbour is apparently pissed and is also apparently certain you're to blame. He wants the police to take your guns. Do you offer them up? HELL NO! You just KNOW that sonofabitch is going to come shank you the second you're unarmed!

At this point in history nobody believes anybody on the other side is acting in good faith. Dialogue is over. Evidence is over. Bipartisanship is over. All that's left is propaganda and war, in itself or by other means.

Don't give up your guns if 10 kids are killed or 100 or 1000. God forbid there are actual deep state agents killing kids, the second you give up something meaningful in recompense they will kill ten times as many to extract ten times the recompense.

I say again. The answer to the left is that you will not give up your guns to a political opponent who has repeatedly made it clear that they want you and everyone like you DEAD!

Post: #305

(02-21-2018 01:05 AM)Samseau Wrote:  If you filter America's crime stats to just Whites, it looks like any other European country. But even then the stats are misleading because Hispanics are often counted as White despite not being from heritage America.

Filter to Non-immigrant Whites and you'll see why focusing on guns is retarded.

Yep slightly higher than Western Europe, but nothing crazy. And way lower than E Europe (and the rest of the world save E Asia). Genetics>gun availability when it comes to crime.

Banning so called "assault weapons", which are used in like 1% of murders, is completely idiotic. We cannot cuck on this issue, because every time there is a shooting they will push for more incremental gun control. In reality the left wants confiscation and has no respect for the 2A.

Post: #306

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Post: #307

If there really were crisis actors, why are none of the real students speaking up and saying something like "I have never seen these people at school, I don't know any of them, and none of my friends and classmates know them or have heard of them either", especially since they are all over the news right now?

Same is true for the hired shooter theories, if there was more than one shooter, you'd think somebody would have noticed, students as well, but especially forensics.

Post: #308

Another link from the peaceful country of Soviet Canuckistan. Lunatic decides to go on a rampage, shoots 7 cops before being captured.

It ain't da guns.

Post: #309

Australia is such a bad example for gun control and reduced homicide rates as well.

Our murder rate in 1989-1990, six or seven years before the 35 Port Arthur deaths, was 1.82 ((307 homicides divided by 16.81m people) x 100,000). It is now 1 per 100,000. It's not nearly as dramatic a turnaround as folks say. And we were coming down from a very low murder/homicide rate to begin with.

http://archive.is/heMyp

Factors that probably decreased the murder rate above and beyond any gun control:
- Police surveillance improved dramatically (and generally I'm fine with that, if it's used properly)
- Social media and the proliferation of recording devices make it super-hard for suspected violent criminals to evade capture
- Digital footprints and the need to interact with technology also make it nigh on impossible for someone to hide themselves indefinitely
- Education programs to educate on matters like coward/one punch deaths
- Increasing incomes/corporatization. Fuck up with a violent crime like assault (which can lead to manslaughter at times) and you're done professionally, so people modulate their behavior accordingly
- Two-thirds of adults are overweight in Australia now. As if they want to start fights. They're already fighting heart disease

Post: #310

(02-21-2018 07:04 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  If there really were crisis actors, why are none of the real students speaking up and saying something like "I have never seen these people at school, I don't know any of them, and none of my friends and classmates know them or have heard of them either", especially since they are all over the news right now?

Same is true for the hired shooter theories, if there was more than one shooter, you'd think somebody would have noticed, students as well, but especially forensics.

Where would they speak out? The news? MSNBC already has their go to girl to provide all the feedback they need. And she checks all of the diversity/social justice boxes. I’m referring to the border jumper girl with the buzz cut.
Racially ambiguous? Check
Gender ambiguous? Check
Potential dreamer? Check
That girl (she’s already been posted here) is a liberal dream come true. They won’t dare question anyone or anything as long as she’s providing the narrative.

Post: #311

Porscheguy Wrote:Where would they speak out? The news?

Their personal Twitter and/or Facebook pages.

Post: #312

Former Milwaukee sheriff says student protests have Soros' fingerprints on them, including the use of paid crisis actors.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...ho-protest

Post: #313

(02-21-2018 11:02 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 07:04 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  If there really were crisis actors, why are none of the real students speaking up and saying something like "I have never seen these people at school, I don't know any of them, and none of my friends and classmates know them or have heard of them either", especially since they are all over the news right now?

Same is true for the hired shooter theories, if there was more than one shooter, you'd think somebody would have noticed, students as well, but especially forensics.

Where would they speak out? The news? MSNBC already has their go to girl to provide all the feedback they need. And she checks all of the diversity/social justice boxes. I’m referring to the border jumper girl with the buzz cut.
Racially ambiguous? Check
Gender ambiguous? Check
Potential dreamer? Check
That girl (she’s already been posted here) is a liberal dream come true. They won’t dare question anyone or anything as long as she’s providing the narrative.

Have any of the newspapers making the guy talking about crisis actors look stupid gone to the trouble to prove that they are in fact students?

Or are they just making the idea of crisis actors sound loony?

It wouldn't be that hard to verify if that is what they really wanted to do.

Post: #314

debeguiled Wrote:Have any of the newspapers making the guy talking about crisis actors look stupid gone to the trouble to prove that they are in fact students?

Or are they just making the idea of crisis actors sound loony?

The burden of proof is on those yelling "Crisis Actors!", not on the media.

Post: #315

(02-21-2018 12:22 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Have any of the newspapers making the guy talking about crisis actors look stupid gone to the trouble to prove that they are in fact students?

Or are they just making the idea of crisis actors sound loony?

It wouldn't be that hard to verify if that is what they really wanted to do.

Yes. CNN of course:

(CNN)David Hogg has become a strong voice among survivors of the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

Quote:The attention has given him a powerful platform -- but it has also made him the subject of smear campaigns and demonstrably false conspiracy theories.
Either he has been "coached" by his father, a former FBI agent; or he is a "pawn" for anti-gun campaigners; or, the most far-fetched, he is not a victim but a "crisis actor," paid to travel to disaster sites to argue against stricter gun laws.
"I'm not a crisis actor," Hogg told CNN's Anderson Cooper on "AC360" Tuesday. "I'm someone who had to witness this and live through this and I continue to be having to do that."
"I'm not acting on anybody's behalf," the 17-year-old added.
As the false theories continued circulating Tuesday, US Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida, came to the student's defense on Twitter.

"Claiming some of the students on TV after Parkland are actors is the work of a disgusting group of idiots with no sense of decency," Rubio wrote.
Hogg and many of his classmates have been outspoken about the need for stricter gun laws since they witnessed the massacre that killed 17 students and staff members at their Florida high school last week.

Since then, memes and YouTube videos have surfaced making outlandish claims that some of the students are "actors" working for anti-gun groups who travel around the country to the sites of mass shootings.
Some are also claiming that Hogg's father, a former FBI agent, coached his son to speak out against President Donald Trump --- an allegation that Donald Trump Jr. appeared to endorse on Twitter.
On Tuesday, Hogg criticized those who amplified the claims and said it was disturbing that Trump Jr. liked the Twitter post.

"Unlike the people who are tweeting that stuff about me and my dad, I haven't lost hope in America and my dad hasn't either," said Hogg with his father by his side.
Responding to claims he is in favor of repealing the Second Amendment, Hogg said he doesn't "want to take a constitutional right away from American citizens."
He believes Americans can own a gun if they are mentally stable, don't have previous major convictions and are "not going to go out and commit these atrocities."
"We have a right to live just as we have a right to bear arms," he said.
Echoes of Sandy Hook
Hogg's experience is similar to what happened after the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, that left 26 dead -- most of them young children. Some conspiracy theorists said the shooting was faked by the government and accused victims' families of being paid actors.
"They don't think anything bad ever happens, they don't think anyone ever gets hurt," Len Pozner, whose 6-year-old son was killed in the shooting, told CNN in 2016. "They think whenever they see anything on the web or on television that is a crime or mass casualty event, that has to be a hoax."
Pozner said he had received threatening voicemails and other online hatred in the wake of the shooting. In 2016, a Tampa woman was indicted on four counts of making threats against Pozner.
In response to the false accusations, he created an organization called the HONR Network, a non-profit dedicated to "stopping the continual and intentional torment of victims."
Back in 2016, Pozner said he didn't think the hatred would ever stop.
"I don't think so, I don't think it will ever go away," he said.

I don't think that kid is a crisis actor but I do think he's been coached - by his dad or others. On another note, it's pretty fucking sad that the son of an FBI agent turns out to be some pre-queer soy boy like Hogg. Bet the parents have been separated a while.

Post: #316

I don't know if there is proof of Hogg being a student, but there is video of him in California, and video of him coaching victims for the camera.

Post: #317

(02-21-2018 04:53 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  At this point in history nobody believes anybody on the other side is acting in good faith. Dialogue is over. Evidence is over. Bipartisanship is over. All that's left is propaganda and war, in itself or by other means.

Ive said it before but it's the MSM that's winning (and complicit) in this divisiveness. I blame them as they profit from the blood shed

Like fighting dog handlers whipping the two dogs into a vicious frenzy makes for a better show regardless which one wins.

Two dogs getting along is poor theater. (Unless theyre fucking.. then its porn )

Reality TV and social media should be charged as co-conspirators for turning the surface of current US culture into human cock fighters maniacally snarling at each other through the chicken wire fence that is the internet

Nothing makes the MSM giddier than when an animal from either side makes it through that fence and spills real blood and they (MSM) can then milk the outrage teat on the carcass for all its worth

(New personal record for mixing of metaphors )

Post: #318

While I do not believe in the crisis actor story, there is no doubt these children were specifically chosen to push the anti-gun narrative. It's fucking sick that these kids will whore themselves out on their classmates deaths, and that CNN will stoke fear and division for money.

#cnnbloodmoney

Post: #319

(02-21-2018 01:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  While I do not believe in the crisis actor story, there is no doubt these children were specifically chosen to push the anti-gun narrative. It's fucking sick that these kids will whore themselves out on their classmates deaths, and that CNN will stoke fear and division for money.

#cnnbloodmoney

CNN got "turned out" with first Gulf War. The rest of "news" media simply followed them from the public service sector they were intended to be to the for profit whores they are now.

Like whores they figured if Im gonna fuck I may as well get paid. Now that they're all whores they gotta compete for who moans the loudest

Post: #320

(02-21-2018 01:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  While I do not believe in the crisis actor story, there is no doubt these children were specifically chosen to push the anti-gun narrative. It's fucking sick that these kids will whore themselves out on their classmates deaths, and that CNN will stoke fear and division for money.

#cnnbloodmoney

I do concur here. As I said above, Emma Gonzales is a liberal activist’s wet dream. It doesn’t surprise me that a few of these kids are whoring themselves out. They carry this momentum into prestigious universities, then grad school, and finally high paying make work jobs. They’re natural politicians who instinctively know that you should never let a crisis go to waste.

Post: #321

(02-21-2018 01:00 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  Ive said it before but it's the MSM that's winning (and complicit) in this divisiveness.

Oh, I don't know about that. I think their credibility is at its lowest point in a long time.

Ten years ago "false flag" was a fairly esoteric term, now its a meme.

That's not to say they are ineffective, just trusted to a far lesser extent than at any other point in our lives.

Post: #322

(02-21-2018 01:48 PM)Hypno Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:00 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  Ive said it before but it's the MSM that's winning (and complicit) in this divisiveness.

Oh, I don't know about that. I think their credibility is at its lowest point in a long time.

Ten years ago "false flag" was a fairly esoteric term, now its a meme.

That's not to say they are ineffective, just trusted to a far lesser extent than at any other point in our lives.

Im hopeful its turning but unfortunately the numbers (in dollars) indicate otherwise.

They dont give flying turd about credibility. Its not about journalistic integrity...its about profit at any cost
Pew Research on Cable News Revenues

Quote:According to Pew Research Center analysis of Nielsen Media Research data, viewership increased for cable news channels in 2016. In prime time, combined average viewership for the three major news channels (CNN, Fox News and MSNBC) increased by 55% to 4.8 million viewers. (Audience data for the three major financial networks – CNBC, Fox Business and Bloomberg – are not available.)

Quote:...revenues increased to $5.5 billion for CNN, Fox, MSNBC in 2017 (sic)

Post: #323

(02-21-2018 01:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  While I do not believe in the crisis actor story, there is no doubt these children were specifically chosen to push the anti-gun narrative. It's fucking sick that these kids will whore themselves out on their classmates deaths, and that CNN will stoke fear and division for money.

#cnnbloodmoney

The story here as in 9-11 is not that the media knew it would happen, but that they tend to go for "reliable witnesses" and that means their own employees or people who are at least media affiliated.

These kids are chosen because they're already being raised/groomed to be the next generation of media people.

Remember that all the assholes in media were young once too. Teenagers are not stupid, they can play the part if need be.

What should be disturbing to the right is they don't realize how well organized the left is through a myriad of non-profits, school boards, basically any kind of non-commercial organisation is going to be taken over by leftists.

Post: #324

I was just running an errand and the TV in the waiting room at the office I visited was on CNN. For the entire 20 minutes I was there the broadcast was pushing gun control propaganda. The corporate globalists are pushing this really hard.

Post: #325

Interesting article from Heartiste:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/02/...-violence/

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/compar...nd-europe/

Here an interesting study of mass shootings when compared Europe and the US. Keep in mind that most European countries have highly restrictive gun laws.

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/compar...nd-europe/





Both EU as well as the US have plenty of Islamic terror. Norway had Breivik which spiked their numbers.



The general homicide rate of the US is not directly related to the gun-ownership rates:



I somewhat agree with Heartiste on this one:

Quote:Lies lies lies lies lies…all in service to the ultimate goal of disarming law-abiding White Gentiles who are the ONLY group in America capable of organized revolution against the globohomos.

That is why the globalists have started to flood the West with non-Whites, so that resistance will be much more difficult.

And a quote from this book supposedly written by an ex-secret service agent:

https://www.amazon.com/Behold-Horse-Milt...929385225/



That is certainly going on well - the support of the public goes on step by step. You have to remember that the globalists act within plans spanning decades and centuries. With each shooting that is not prevented or some psycho is egged on, also given weapons, the big agenda advances one more step. It is just as with the homosexual agenda - it was brought up initially only in movies as a minor point, but accelerated ever more until it is now viewed as superior to heterosexual married marriages.