Post: #26

(03-28-2017 02:45 PM)Steelex Wrote:  Atlanta Man which bars do you party at?

I tend to mainly hit the bars on the north side of town, I'm not big on the buckhead or midtown scene.

Atlanta
Monday-The Local, Trackside
Tuesday-Star Bar,East ATL(East ATL is the new hot shit),Buckhead, Trackside
Wednesday-MJQ,Star bar,Buckhead(the Hole in the wall)
Thurday- MJQ, Poncy Highland,East ATL
Friday-MJQ, Poncy Highland, Midtown-Afterparty Westend or East ATL
Saturday-East ATL- Midtown-Westend Afterparty

Miami
Everyday- Midtown, Brickell-Bardot (open till 6am), and all Midtown spots
Everyday- underground Miami clubs that rotate different spots every couple months. Mansion parties if I get invited.
Friday-Sunday-Bardot- Eleven or Space late night if people are visiting from out of town, I don't really like Eleven or Space but out of towners do.

I avoid LIV and SOBE like the plague unless an underground party is going on.

Post: #27

@Atlanta Man

"Wait till around 2 am to approach these girls, pick the hottest one and ask her if she "parties", if she says yes take her to the bathroom and give her a bump-She will follow you anywhere after that- tell her you need to go to your house to pick up more shit and take it from there. "

Is this not weird to the girls that you are taking them to do drugs but not doing any yourself? Or was this more the plan when you used to do drugs?

Post: #28

(03-28-2017 04:37 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  Google top 100 songs 2017 and get to know them, appreciate the new slang and stay up on it, and read synopsis of popular TV shows so you have something to talk about with these chicks.

Oh fuck that shit. I'm not listening to One Direction and Beiber. She can either know Nirvana and Def Leppard or she can eat a bag of dicks!

I'm guess I'm getting old, man. I don't look it or act it, but I'm starting to admit that I'm an old codger. I can be talking to some girl about some movie like "Red Dawn" and then discover we're talking about two different fucking movies. The one with Charlie Sheen and Patrick Swayze, bitch!

Post: #29

(03-28-2017 10:03 AM)Steve McQueen Wrote:  the best wings I ever had were attractive women.

I have a few female friends, some of whom are attractive, others so-so. For some reason, I tend to meet women far more often when I'm out with my women friends, than when I'm out with my guy friends. I don't know why. Lady luck or some such shit lol

@Atlanta Man

Years ago knew a guy that was a drug dealer, he got around quite a lot. It's true, cokeheads will do anything to get their fix, especially the club rats. Coke is also a status thing, and women seem to loooove that shit. Every stripper I ever knew (and I even dated one) was a cokehead. It's an ethical boundary I personally wouldn't cross (supplying drugs in exchange for sex), but to each his own...

Post: #30

(03-28-2017 03:49 PM)Repo Wrote:  @Atlanta Man

"Wait till around 2 am to approach these girls, pick the hottest one and ask her if she "parties", if she says yes take her to the bathroom and give her a bump-She will follow you anywhere after that- tell her you need to go to your house to pick up more shit and take it from there. "

Is this not weird to the girls that you are taking them to do drugs but not doing any yourself? Or was this more the plan when you used to do drugs?

I get this a lot- I say either "I have to drive and I am going to get fucked up later", "I may have a random drug test tomorrow and I don't want to fuck it up", "I did a lot yesterday and I am trying not to overdo it". Focus on how cool you think she is and you wanted to get to know her better, once she is fucked up her overvaluation of herself and confidence will do the rest. The primary reason not to get fucked up is 1)you need a clear head 2) you need your erection 3)Late at night the sober guy is in control (land of the blind 1 eyed man is king) 4) once you get her home, or if the venue is cool you can smoke weed and still handle business.

Having a hot girl butt naked at your house blowing you while you cannot get hard to save your life is a shitty position. I speak from experience. Have sex (I say go for it in the nightclub bathroom) then get high. Also most of the drugs these girls like are a felony charge, don't get fucked up in public walking around with a felony in your pocket.

Post: #31

Careful at The Local on Mondays, The police figured out that it is a coke bar and there have been arrests lately. I told the manager not to hire a cop at the door but he did not listen, two weeks later undercovers busted some guys. Just a heads up, avoid places that hire off duty cops to do the door.

Post: #32

@Atlanta man

Yeah I've been there before. I guess I also hate the idea of giving out expensive (to me anyway) drugs without getting to enjoy them myself, all in hopes of pussy I may or may not get. Maybe if I were dealing I would have a different attitude, but I'm not about that life and, this isnt the forum to discusss haha.

Post: #33

The OP presents two separate issues:

Issue #1: Problem relating to the current generation of young women
Issue #2: Not knowing whether or not to get on the social media train to help with game. Is it harmful not to have social media?

Issue #1 is a no brainer. It's a matter of "learning how to talk to anyone".

First: you already relate more than you can imagine. You live in the same city, may enjoy similar foods, drinks, movies, activities, etc. It's a matter of digging for common ground, just like when you meet people from different countries or cultures.

Learning how to talk to a toddler, an aggressive gym bro and an old lady, will all help you talk to girls, because you learn how to be interesting to multiple audiences.

I love having "shallow" conversations with girls. We talk about what our grandmas used to cook for us when we were kids; what does she think about this guy or girl's style; who she thinks is the hottest female model; how the decor of the room could be improved, and so on.

Second: you don't have to have the same exact interests. If you are an accountant, do you really want to discuss accounting with your girl? Or football? If you aren't yet comfortable with rambling and storytelling, learn to compartimentalize topics to certain specific people - you'll both get the most out of it.

Third: when you become good at storytelling, it becomes a matter of sucking them into YOUR frame, YOUR world, where you are the master.

If you are a good talker and storyteller, you can talk to girls about literally any subject and they will be fascinated by it. You drop cliffhangers and baits throughout the story, and ask them questions that either are easy to answer, so they keep paying attention, or that stirr their emotions ( Can you believe this happened? How would you feel if ____ happened to you? And so on).

This is also related to Issue #2.

I'll reiterate what blck said in his post:

(03-28-2017 09:43 AM)blck Wrote:  "Never go in a fight adopting the opponent's rules"

For the sake of argument, let's say a girl who is an 8 meets Brad Pitt at a house party - the owner of the house was his best friend growing up and he's in town shooting a movie.

She's not going to ask for his IG, she knows who he is. She is not worried they don't have anything in common, she just wants to be a part of his world.

Taking it a notch down, the same girl meets a handsome male model:



She asks him for his IG out of curiosity. He says he doesn't have one. Do you think she's going to reject him? Is she thinking "We probably don't enjoy the same music"? Definitely no for both questions.

Now here's something actually attainable. Suppose you are one of the guys below:



Do you think you're getting the boot because you don't have a FB or IG account? Nah. Not having social media actually adds an element of "Who the hell is this guy?". There's nothing particularly special about them. They are probably around 40, in decent shape. The only x factor is that they are dressed and groomed stylishly - something anyone can attain.

When you have a strong look/status/frame/mouthpiece, you impact your target and take them out of their comfort zone. They are intrigued and want to be a part of YOUR world, whether it's fascinating from the outside (Pitt) or a complete mistery (the guys above). They are sucked into YOUR reality.

This is how cult leaders get a following - people get sucked into their frame.

Because they're on your world, you can talk about literally anything. I'll discuss jiu jitsu, 70's progressive rock music, photography, Flat Earth Theory, and so on. I come on to these topics hot and I know how to get their attention. We are not necessarily looking for the cure for cancer, but bouncing ideas playfully.

So - not having social media will not harm you if you dot the i's and cross the t's with the rest - looks, fitness, verbal game.

You could be leaving pussy on the table, if you are willing to post and game on social media.

My new flatmate has a few thousand followers on Instagram and maybe 10k on Facebook. But he's always posting pictures, quotes, texts and so on. He's always online, sends girls messages, etc. It's not too different from Tinder. But since I don't even do Tinder right now, it's definitely something I'm not willing to do.

On the other hand, say you spend 3h/week on social media going after new prospects. You could be spending those three hours on a night out or a solid day game session.

So how much you actually leave on the table is up to you.

Post: #34

Ringo - what if you are not a male model or Brad Pitt?

I have gamed with the OP, he could easily be a model.

The OP is in Toronto, so I would say the market is a "little" different to places like Brazil and the rest of the world.

Post: #35

Just read this on some skanks blog:

"If they say they don’t have Instagram it means they have a girlfriend. End of story. Everyone has an Instagram account. Another fuckboy signal is if they give you their Insta but say something like ‘I want to see the ones you don’t put on Instagram’ and continue to pester you for more risqué pictures even after you’ve said no. Fuck off"

Post: #36

(03-29-2017 11:07 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  Ringo - what if you are not a male model or Brad Pitt?

Quote:Suppose you are one of the guys below:



Do you think you're getting the boot because you don't have a FB or IG account? Nah. Not having social media actually adds an element of "Who the hell is this guy?". There's nothing particularly special about them. They are probably around 40, in decent shape. The only x factor is that they are dressed and groomed stylishly - something anyone can attain.

When you have a strong look/status/frame/mouthpiece, you impact your target and take them out of their comfort zone. They are intrigued and want to be a part of YOUR world, whether it's fascinating from the outside (Pitt) or a complete mistery (the guys above). They are sucked into YOUR reality.

(03-29-2017 11:07 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  The OP is in Toronto, so I would say the market is a "little" different to places like Brazil and the rest of the world.

I believe you, I have my own issues to overcome here - mainly lack of aggressiveness.

Post: #37

Since Internet became female oriented, every plateform you'll go on will echo the voice of women.
"No IG/SC/FB = Married/Out of the pool" will be the norm in No Time if it's not already.

About what Ringo posted is what I was trying to voice: you either can "compete and attract" or you don't but if you don't you need to bring them on another ground to swoop them.
That's basic strategy.

Post: #38

(03-28-2017 03:45 AM)Banna Wrote:  So it's either:

A) Radically change who I am and get younger with a lot of lingo technology music and shit

B) Say screw my pride and mess with women I don't care as much for looks wise as younger girls.....and plus deal with a lot of their ready made families from the get go.

The first option (younger girls) feels much more appealing than dealing with older women with insecurities/ baggage towards men and stuff I've never had a problem with.

The younger girls still find me physically appealing but how to offset the flakiness right off the bat often due to a hoarde of guys following them around on IG/snapchat inflating their egos as I don't care for that stuff?

Do I have to get on the IG wave too or without it just remaining a dinosaur lol?

Respectfully, you may want to consider different questions -

Am I targeting the right girls at this stage of my life?
Does night game best serve my pussy needs at this stage of life?

Paint me a geriatric blue pill beta newb, but I say Fuck Social Media. Life's too short. I target women who, like me, don't have (much) time for that shit. Or for night clubbing. Consistent club/night game strikes me as simply incompatible with any substantial family/professional/business/life mission.

I am 50+, have a "growth stage" 25 yo #1, just auditioned/nexted a 37 yo, have a 27 yo teed up for audition, and more pipeline than I could possibly have time to date/fuck.

What is working for me AND minimizes my time commitment - FWIW YMMV - is this.

1) Target the Sexual Growth Spurt - My hypothesis, developed over the last year or so I have been back in action, dating 24-50 (I am well north of 50. My lifetime oldest is 37.), is that women hit a sexual Growth Spurt somewhere in their mid-20s, which extends possibly into their thirties. During this time they may start to orgasm with a partner for the first time, discover their first vaginal orgasm, find their squirt, and/or become multi-orgasmic. Evidence is all anecdotal, but I am taking this ride firsthand with my #1 and she has friends going through similar growth. I want to "facilitate" that growth for a (modest) harem of these girls. Still shopping for #2/3...

2) Target Smart/Career Girls - Think early stage career girls, grad students, entrepreneurs - 24-30 - chicks with a (non-family) purpose/mission, like you. Several reasons for this. They are independent by nature and less clingy/needy. Value their time AND YOURS. Not stupid. (Hate putting my dick in stupid.) Better to be around. Growth oriented. (That's likely to carry over sexually.) Appreciate rolling with a grown ass man who can offer a little guidance and is at a higher socio-economic level.

3) Lift Heavy/Diet - Mandatory or its all fucking over at my age. BF<15%

4) Pipeline Online - I know you purists are going to hate, and I feel that, but as a time saving device alone, online is a no-brainer. I have shit pics and a mildly entertaining bio and am matching 18-32 with relative ease. Two dates from online, one bang, one teed up. 50+ unpursued matches.

5) "Walking Around" Game - No set time/place, but when feeling it, hitting that eye contact, approach. Go direct. Mostly. (In the gym or similar environment, indirect.) #1 came from business relationship. Oops!

Post: #39

The flakiness wont be solved by you being on snapchat or ig. The new generation is ADD in general. Girls in particular. The guys who use these also get flaked. Girls just have too much options coming at them from 100 different directions. Its crazy.

A few years ago youd meet a girl and wait two days to text and she'd feel it. Now she probably wont remember who you are.

You dont have to transform into something you dont enjoy imo, but you will have to play up your strengths.

At your age you have experience, travels, maybe a better financial situation/home/set up.
Dress well, tip in the places you frequent well, etc...

As Jack said, get on online dating as well. Your ROI is gonna be lower than younger guys maybe but that only means you have to expand volume.

Post: #40

(03-28-2017 09:33 AM)Steelex Wrote:  How much do you expect to have in common with a girl 17 years younger than you? At 25 she might still be living at home and probably hasn't experienced any of the real grown person responsibilities that shape and mold a person.

Hell I barely have anything in common with girls my own age. You just fake it man, cause you're just there for the bang.

I probably haven't worded what I posted properly.

I am not looking for women I can find some kind of deep understanding with and find a lot of things we share interests in. Or have stimulating philosophical conversations with. Fuck that,lol.

It's more about how to adapt to these changing times in terms of younger women I meet when I go out. How to get from 1st base to a home run with these hot 20 somethings 15+ years younger I've been often making out with the same night, but not converting to bangs.

It seems I've been fast asleep with this IG/snapchat thing. And the lingo too. I've heard the term "fuckboi" quite a few times over the months and I gotta Google the meaning now,lol.

People on Roosh shit all over the women in my city.....but at the end of the day for all the complaining......a lot of these women are still getting fucked. All I want is my proverbial piece of the pie.

Ironically I just parted ways with a girl (she relocated) of that age I had almost nothing in common with whatsoever.

She's into Heavy Metal.....Iron Maiden.... Metallica, Rock music, The doors.....Pearl Jam....Nirvana.

- I grew up on 70s/80s/90s R&B Hip hop Reggae. She actually had no clue who Biggie Smalls or Tupac Shakur were,lol.

She prefers to travel overseas and stay in 15 dollar a night cockroach infested hostel dumps and sleep in tents for a span of a month or two. I'd rather stay in a hotel or some nice apartment.

But she was low maintenance, submissive in and out of bed, a good chef, and had my best interests at heart

Post: #41

(03-28-2017 12:10 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(03-28-2017 03:45 AM)Banna Wrote:  I'm soon to be 42 years old. And I strictly night game for women. No day game. ....no dating sites. And I kinda feel like I'm in "no ma'ams" land right now. Like I don't have anything in common in terms of women.

I was out this weekend and met this stunning 7.5 - 8 Polish girl. I didn't bother inquiring her age. My guestimates is she's max 25 years old. Was locking lips and feeling up her tits on the dance floor.

This is where you went wrong. Everything else was epilogue

As I touched on in a different thread in this particular city.

Having proper logistics in this city in terms of night game can really alter how I'd night game. It's just a bitch to live DT here to me. Now I guess I (reluctantly) must have to get on the IG wave, if I lived there I think I could just night game without it.

Where all the clubs are here in "the entertainment district" if I had a pad within walking distance or a short uber my game with her (and other women in that scene) would've been more direct to pull her back from the get go. It happens a lot!

Good luck finding a girl willing to take a 40 min commute to the burbs with some stranger at 3am in this city!

Post: #42

Thanks a lot guys for all the replies.....I see some things posted where I've got to get with the times. The weather is getting warmer which means more of these lizards here will start coming out of hibernating.

I'm probably going to be going out at least 2 nights a week.

Post: #43

Banna, Have you used tinder?

I am not sure if you know what instagram is. Its just a page where you upload your pics. When you make it, you will have 0 people following you and seeing them. So you will have to read the threads on IG here and build up a following. And even then, girls and leads wont come from it, itll mainly be a DHV with girls that you meet.

Tinder however, is a dating app. You see pics and swipe right on who you like. If they swipe back on your pic, you match and can talk to them. That will generate leads for you.

Get started on IG too if you feel up for it, but you will have to put some effort into growing it and taking good pics for it to have any effect.

But IG wont make much difference in your logistics, or a girl going 30 minutes to see you. Neither will snapchat. Its ultimately just a messaging and occasional DHV tool.

Post: #44

Location location location. If you're logistics are bad then ...what? You hoping she'll bang in the car, the bathroom, the bushes? Would you go deep sea fishing without knowing how to land a marlin if you catch one?
Like everything in life if you don't plan for success then you are by default planning to fail

Post: #45

(03-30-2017 06:44 AM)Beirut Wrote:  Banna, Have you used tinder?

I am not sure if you know what instagram is. Its just a page where you upload your pics. When you make it, you will have 0 people following you and seeing them. So you will have to read the threads on IG here and build up a following. And even then, girls and leads wont come from it, itll mainly be a DHV with girls that you meet.

Tinder however, is a dating app. You see pics and swipe right on who you like. If they swipe back on your pic, you match and can talk to them. That will generate leads for you.

Get started on IG too if you feel up for it, but you will have to put some effort into growing it and taking good pics for it to have any effect.

But IG wont make much difference in your logistics, or a girl going 30 minutes to see you. Neither will snapchat. Its ultimately just a messaging and occasional DHV tool.

No I never have used Tinder, POF or any dating site. I probably never will. I like getting dressed up going out and seeing women dressed to the 9s as opposed to surfing through endless profiles.

I'm soon to be 42 and I highly doubt women in the age group I'm targeting will be interested in a man of my age online. In person I have friends that Tinder and they're all banging 30+s women....often single mom's. I find women at the clubs more attractive than what I've seen online or my friends pulling. 1 well off player just turned 40 I know in this city still pulling 20 somethings on his tinder profile lies about his age by a decade,lol....but he has the look n style to pull it off.

I think if I go on IG I'd use it strictly for in case I meet someone and they are interested in viewing my page. I've no intention of messaging women there to meetup and/or becoming a "follower".

This city is a notoriously tough for many guys but to me it's not impossible as many make it seem on Roosh. Ive made it a point to approach more here and come out of my shell. Like 2 or 3 opens a night....instead of like every 2 months like before I met this Rihanna lookalike and also a new arrival to the city (YAHOO!!!) over the weekend who seem receptive from the few convoy.

My post wasn't a complaint about treatment from women or finding them. It's more about adapting to the times and as this younger 27 year old player who IGs & Snapchats told me this weekend....stay relevant.

Post: #46

I'll give you my take, fellas, but I'm older than most of you at 54, so what I do may not work for you. I do NOT do IG, or any of their other vain, selfie-filled slut parades.
Night game, young women... I watch for IOIs and pick out one I like. I Move up to her, smile, tell her my first name, ask hers. I look at the bartender, say, "she'll have what I'm having ". (Highland Scotch, single malt, neat)
If there's dancing, we might dance. If not, I'll ask her to go walk.
I charm her. I give her my arm. I hold the door. And her coat, if she has one. Basically, I go all traditional on her, which they eat up.
When I do get one that goes all Beiber head on me, duck facing for her selfie shots, droning on about Instagram and Facebook, I thank her for her time and move on. Sometimes she apologizes and grounds herself in adulthood for our evening, sometimes I strike out. I rarely strike out.

Post: #47

Social media doesn't matter. I've never once lost a bang solely because I don't have Instagram or Snapchat accounts. I'm not even that old. I'm not even 30 yet and I've never used Snapchat or Instagram and I dropped Facebook almost a year ago. You don't need social media account(s) to connect with younger women. Make them play your name don't call into theirs. As was said above; a broad isn't going to turn down a good looking/cool dude because he doesn't have an IG handle.

If a girl asks you for IG/Snapchat say "Insta-what??" Tease her about it. Most millenials and Gen Z people are self-aware that their dependence on smart phones, apps, and social media platforms is inherently silly in and of itself and most of them use it ironically anyway.

Technology and cultural trends change, but being an attractive and charismatic person who is fun to be around will never go out of style and will always garner favor from women and peers alike.