Post: #51

Technically though, he is a dine and dasher---which is illegal. The woman is under no legal obligation to pay for his meal and if she refuses to do so, then he committed theft.

Whole thing is still laugh-out-loud hilarious though.

Post: #52

(03-20-2017 08:24 AM)Buck Wild Wrote:  Technically though, he is a dine and dasher---which is illegal. The woman is under no legal obligation to pay for his meal and if she refuses to do so, then he committed theft.

Whole thing is still laugh-out-loud hilarious though.

So 2 friends go to a restaurant, one gets pissed off and leaves the place not paying for anyone.

The remaining friend refuses to pay the bill, the restaurant calls the cops and what? They charge him for his part, then launch a criminal investigation?

Somehow I doubt that this is a criminal investigation. The friend would have to pay for the bill and then start a civil lawsuit to get the money back. Maybe he could win that money back legally, but certainly not via a criminal investigation.

Maybe a lawyer here could enlighten us?

Note also how the article is worded:

Quote:Police say Gonzales is also facing two pending cases of petty theft, and is accused of failing to pay for a haircut at a salon back in February.

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By the way - one of his dates - you were right guys:



She catfished him with this pic:



I somewhat understand that the cops may help her out to get his name and address in order to launch a civil lawsuit. The media being the corrupt bastards that they are published his pic because he was guilty of petty theft and dine-and-dashing at a hair salon:



If he had only let the women pay for his meals, then the media would get in trouble for plastering his face across the world.

Maybe he should sue those internet fatties for fraud due to picking pictures in which the hambeasts look 80 pounds lighter.

Post: #53

This is one of the other dates. It only shows the back of her head, but it's safe to say she's busted.

Between the haircut, earings, and neck wrinkles, I can safely say WNPFM (would not pay for meal).

Post: #54

(03-19-2017 07:43 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  We got talking easily enough, him explaining the club to me, completely-ignoring any conversation with Gamma as he set up his stationary shooting perch. I inwardly-winced as I noticed him carelessly point his rifle in both of our directions as he lifted it onto the table. Someone will eventually correct him, and he will never, ever forgive the momentary loss of face.

That's the crucial line in this piece, folks. The Gamma Never Forgets.* Any perceived loss of face will be with them forever, and they will perpetually seek out vengeance upon you for it.

I once heard a Gamma ask for dating advice, and he opened with the following statement: "I'm what you might call an Alpha Male..." Being familiar with his utter failure to do anything but creep women out, I was flabbergasted by this statement. It was like watching somebody walk up to God and say "Oh, I like making my own stuff, too. I could give you some pointers if you like."

Now keep in mind, he wasn't actually asking for advice. He was asking to be patted on the head and affirmed in some way. He proceeded to describe some pathetic failures of beta orbiting and oneitis, and he wanted the man he was asking to affirm that he was still an Alpha Male despite all of this. He was challenging the man to describe his failures as anything other than successes.

These people are incredibly destructive. Avoid them at all costs, and if you're forced to associate with them, pretend that they're an Alpha for the duration of your engagement.

*I've been toying with writing a poem with this title.

Post: #55

(03-19-2017 01:39 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

Quote:Apparently he's been doing this for over a year.

Women have been doing this for over a century.

Post: #56

(03-20-2017 01:53 PM)Hypno Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 01:39 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

Quote:Apparently he's been doing this for over a year.

Women have been doing this for over a century.

Women have been doing this shit for an eternity.

But men should be better. There's nothing beta about being a gentleman. Don't be a pig, fellas. This guy is a pig.

Post: #57

There are women who do this all the time. They strategically go on five dinner dates a week, so they never have to cook or buy supper. When you read their posts on it, they complain like it is a "tough job" to sit around at a dinner table with boring dudes. This guy is just doing the same. He does not care about the sex, he wants a good meal and to GTFO. IF the table were turned, many men would agree to a woman simply spending time with them and have her ghost out before the 3rd course. No woman would ever agree to the opposite, though; it displays a difference in sexes 100%.

The dude is a troll king. It takes balls to be that brazen on a consistent basis. His luck will run out eventually when he leaves the wrong girl with the bill. The wrong girl I mean who has a daddy who is powerful in LA and will throw resources at the system to make his life miserable.

-- Edit--

I just saw those ugly ass dates LOL.

If those women were realistic, they would have known that a dude like that was out of their league. He is many points higher up on the ladder than both of them. I don't feel sorry for them at all.

Post: #58

This blew up on my local newsfeed on FB.

Of course the typical girls, "what a dick" "asshole" "he's probably gay"

Then shitlords including me, calling him a hero, the stories hilarious.

Standard white knights and females say it isn't cool - easy retorts with getting catfished, women paying their "fair share" etc.


Bumble I think (maybe unofficially) out out a PSA.

Basically white knighting saying if you were bailed on by this guy, Bumble will pick up the tab.


If you can't laugh at this story and white knight for these girls, that speaks volumes.

First off, fuck the cliche standard dinner date, that shit is wack.

Secondly, make shit fun and interactive, grab a drink.


One thing I agree on, if the chick's chill, and you bail on your portion, that's lame.

To me it sounds like he's getting a thrill out of doing it.

Post: #59

(03-20-2017 02:42 PM)kosko Wrote:  The dude is a troll king. It takes balls to be that brazen on a consistent basis.

It takes balls to rob a bank. I won't do that either.

And you're right. Eventually some father or brother will find this guy and beat his dick into the dirt. And it won't be so funny to him then.

Yeah women do it. And they're cunts for it. Be better than them, brothers.

Post: #60

(03-19-2017 07:43 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  ...but I can see that Gamma's gun is as good as mine....

Just following up on this Gamma discussion, should anyone be interested:

My mate Bill and I returned back to our town last night to unload the truck and have a few days break before we head out west again, so I checked in on my Gamma Stepdad yesterday afternoon, since I know he's still struggling with knee problems and can't currently drive.

"Great timing!" he said. "Can you give me a lift out to the flying field tonight?" He explained there was some big Event on and wanted to attend, which I thought was odd, because it had previously-sounded like he'd thoroughly-burnt his bridges out there due to his attempted coup of leadership.

When I suggested that he should ring one of the guys and see if he could get a lift, he made his standard pained eyes shut wincing expression, and tilted his head back and to the left, which my sister and I know by now as his reliable tell for whenever he's about to lie.

"Oh, they'd have their cars loaded up and [Friend 1] and [Friend 2] said they're not going."

I'd previously told Bill I was going to cook a roast for him and my mate and his son who are currently living at my place, so when I came back home and started to tell him that I'd get everyone fed early and then drive my stepdad out for an hour or so, , he didn't even let me finish. "Cool, but don't invite him for dinner."

Feeling guilt via familial obligation, I said "Well, I haven't rally seen him for weeks, so I really should..."

"... but you don't have to. It's hard to enjoy a good meal when the air's polluted by the smell of shit coming out of someone's mouth."

Interestingly, he's only met my Stepdad twice, and only then in passing, but he took an instant dislike to the guy, since Gammas have this remarkable ability to repulse people without much effort. Note that between his first and second meeting, Bill had already started doing an exaggerated parody of Gamma's Lying Tic when I ask him a simple yes / no question, like "Is your side tied down?" This was an accurate enough impersonation to make my sister laugh until she had tears in her eyes when she saw it.

So, when Bill asked me where I was taking Gamma and I told him "They're flying Toy Helicopters," he could only sneer and make a wanking motion with his hand.

"It's worse than that. They take it all far too seriously."

Bill snorted. "Gay."

Later that evening, I delivered Gamma out there, with me working as carry mule as he hobbled along his crutches. Oddly, both friends he said weren't going were there after all.

He planted himself on one of those Fat Boy Fold Out Chairs, (complete with fat arse size drink holder), and I stood backed and watched proceedings for a bit, given the people watcher than I am, and soon realised I was the only man out there who was both physically-fit, and who didn't have his hands jammed deep into his pockets, guarding his testicles. Mine were behind my back, parade rest.

One younger guy with a weak moustache came walked over to Gamma lacking any sense of greater purpose in his movement. He was doing the Beer Shield thing, but with a can of Coke that he rested on top of his gut. He didn't exactly initiate the conversation as much as trip into it: "Hi Gamma. I haven't seen you for ages."

Gamma said hey, and an awkward conversation between someone with no social skills and someone whose social skill is complete self-focus followed. Gamma made sure to point out he wasn't here in Official Capacity, but just an observer: "I didn't feel like taking charge of this event. I thought I'd let someone else have a go."

After about five minutes of observation, I realised that: a) there was only one girl - an ugly tomboy - out of about 100 people; and, b) this was where
the nerds were. The real nerds: not the fake Hipster Millennials who have laid claim to Nerd Culture.

A high school mate's younger brother was one of these, and he always had his little pack of pimply-nerdlings around him, with much discussion of Monster Manuals and Armour Classes. My mate's girlfriend at the time refused to even walk up the hallway past the Brother's room: "It smells like Cheetos, Clearsil and Baby Oil."

I instantly flashed back to this: this event was obviously what guys who spent High School playing D&D and Not Getting Laid did after graduation. Note that they wouldn't have even tried to get laid, knowing non-porn, non-masturbatory-aid women are out of their league.

This club was - based on Vox Day's Hierarchy again - mainly Omegas, aging Deltas with Dead Wives and Young Deltas who would probably abandon it at the first whiff of pussy.

I could very easily see how a Gamma could do very well in this kind of club - up to a point. As I've mentioned before with the concept of Lindy West having fans, she only has to cast a net over people who are even sadder than she is. I then flashed back to taking Gamma at the Shooting Range in December, where the place was full of genuine Alpha Men and can see how he's punching above his weight class trying to fit in with those guys.

After about 10 minutes, I had that overwhelming sense of really wishing you were somewhere else you get from hanging around nerds, that women instinctively-possess, so I told my Stepdad I'd head back into town, and to call me when he needed a lift home.

"I'll be able to get a lift with someone," he said. "But you can't go yet. [Some Random Fucker] is about to fly."

Gamma always does this. Whatever he's feeling, you must be feeling too. Whatever information he has, you similarly know, which means a lot of conversations with him start at the midpoint of a normal conversation, and you have to guide him to work backwards to understand context."

The Tomboy Girl helped me out here.

"The club's special guest is about to fly. He's a world champion. They flew him in from America."

"Oh yeah?" I asked, trying to feign interest, to not hurt Gamma's feelings, but I managed to do this by following up with "Does he fly real ones?"

Gamma looked resentful, almost spilling his potato chips as he turned towards me, then turned into Emma Watson before my eyes, : "Flying model helicopters takes far more skill and precision than flying real ones."

... which is as Gamma a statement as anyone could make.

A few minutes later, as the toy helicopter was looping around the field, with rainbow-coloured led lights flashing in sync to a dance music track playing over the PA System, I could only remember what Bill said:

"Gay."

Soon after, I made my excuses and left, understanding Gamma isn't the only one who should socialise with people of his own socio-sexual rank.

80 minutes later, he called me to be picked up.

On the drive back, he mentioned the big shooting event that was scheduled for the rest of the weekend, and, once again, bragged about taking over the scoring and social media side of things, and 'his new webpage' for the club.

"Do you need a lift in the morning?" I asked.

"No, Tommo took me out last weekend, and I just rang him a few minutes ago since I knew he'd be going out and he said he'd pick me up at 7:30."

As I dropped him home and asked him if I could borrow some sawhorses in the morning, since I wanted to repaint the mailbox today.

He said "Well, I'll be really busy all weekend and I don't have time to look for them, so you'll have to let yourself into the shed and hunt around."

I went around at 8:20 this morning. Gamma was still there.

"Weren't you going shooting?"

"Tommo never showed up. He obviously forgot about me."

"Did you ring him to see if he's ok? Probably had a sick kid."

"It doesn't matter. It's probably going to rain anyway." (It's not, or I wouldn't have just primed the mailbox).

"Things can happen," I said. "I can run you out there."

"There's no point. The safety regulations require you to start at 8:30 and we'd never get there in time." (We could, given it's all back roads).

"You could still go and watch."

"Nah, there's other things around here I really wanted to be doing around here anyway..." (I bet you he doesn't do a thing), "...so I'm not that worried." (He is, based upon sour five year old girl pout he's wearing whilst he's saying all this).

I mentioned that I'm heading out to a nearby town in the morning, so could drop him off at the range on the way for Day 2.

"There's no point now, since it's a two-day event. My scores wouldn't count."

"You could still have fun shooting for the day." (If you weren't a sour gamma whose entire existence resolves around showing everyone that you, not they, are the King).

"I don't think my gun is really good enough anyway for this level of competition," he said. "I was thinking of selling it anyway and I'll trade up later in the year."

I offered him a fair price. The gun that was as good as mine will be now be mine when the paperwork is completed. I'm trying to remember when I first predicted this. It couldn't be more than a year ago.

I returned back to my place to find Bill had decided to extend my back fence by 300 mm. He'd already pulled off of his truck and pre-sorted the pop rivets. This is just the sort of thing that happens if you leave him alone for 20 minutes, and he was already showing my mate's son how you can tear tin in a straight line without using shears, who was now enjoying helping by doing something that seemed violent, noisy and destructive.

Bill looked up. "You were gone a while," he said. "Like you got stuck talking to [Gamma]."

Just before I left, I'd mentioned Gamma was going Shooting, though it was obvious he'd already pissed off everyone in the club, and didn't really fit in with the guys anyway.

"Yeah, I did," I said. "They forgot to pick him up," I said.

"Yeah." Bill gave a dismissive snort. "They 'forgot'."

The lesson I'm taking from the last two days is this: Vox Day Alphas and Betas can function well together, which is how I'd label Bill (Alpha) and I (Beta), and the pair of us could even get on OK with the more functional Deltas. Hell, I can even put up with the Lambdas in most social situations.

Gammas and Omegas though... Dysfunctional and Functional simply don't mix well, and they're best avoided, though Gammas can fool you because of their capacity for superficial excellence or success in some areas. I think a good warning is to always watch how women react to particular men in a social or group setting.

For those of you who have overcome your Gamma tendencies, change is possible. It's just admitting there's a problem to begin with. (Remember, I was a very passive-aggressive child until reality woke me up at early adolescence, and only use it occassionaly now when I'm mirroring female behaviour in an argument, though I think it's best delivered as obvious parody).

Post: #61

< Interesting, but I strongly doubt that you are a Beta neither in Frame nor in raw sexual market value. You are a Sigma - maybe a nice Sigma. Most introverts turn Sigma with sufficient strength/Red Pill/ Game.

Post: #62

We all know the women aren't paying for his share, nor is the restaurant making them pay for their own. The restaurants taking the hit on the entire bill and the waiters are getting stiffed. There's the real hypocrisy.

Post: #63

(03-24-2017 08:36 PM)RIslander Wrote:  We all know the women aren't paying for his share, nor is the restaurant making them pay for their own. The restaurants taking the hit on the entire bill and the waiters are getting stiffed. There's the real hypocrisy.

Bingo.

You can almost picture it, can't you? Woman realizes what happened, quickly whips up some fake tears and runs to restaurant management to tell her tale of woe, then management comps the entire meal. The same thing would never happen if the roles were reversed. The man would be stuck with biting the bullet and paying the bill (both her share and his), washing dishes, or having the cops called on him.

Personally, I think the story's pretty goddamn funny. I'm not saying I would do this myself, but if I were really strapped for cash, I can't say I'd completely rule out the possibility.

There are many girls who "date for dinner," going out with men they have little interest in outside a free meal. Turnabout is fair play.

Post: #64

I would feel bad. Except I don't.

Women do much worse and laugh about it all the same.

Post: #65

(03-24-2017 07:37 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 07:43 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  ...but I can see that Gamma's gun is as good as mine....

Just following up on this Gamma discussion, should anyone be interested:

...

This whole post...



That said, do we have a gamma thread? If not, then why not? It's not only hilarious but instructive. I don't care if it's just Bosch's stories (though I'd have some of my own to add). I have a perfect picture of this guy in my head, I suppose because all gammas are so fundamentally similar.

If you have any doubts about whether you're dealing with a gamma, just ask them un-ironically whether it's hard being the best at (x) and not having any real competition. Their pathetically veiled false modesty will shine through with the intensity of a thousand suns.

Post: #66

(03-24-2017 07:54 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  < Interesting, but I strongly doubt that you are a Beta neither in Frame nor in raw sexual market value. You are a Sigma - maybe a nice Sigma. Most introverts turn Sigma with sufficient strength/Red Pill/ Game.

Nah. Not me. Whilst I initially-wondered if I was Sigma, I think there's an obvious danger with that particular ranking: it's too flattering to one's ego and too easy to adopt without an unflinching examination of your strengths and failings. Even Vox recognised this:

Quote:Gammas often like to think they are sigmas, failing to understand that sigmas are not social rejects, they are at the top of the social hierarchy despite their refusal to play by its rules.

I mean, I've known a lot of people in my life, and I think I could only identify two Sigmas who matched Vox's breakdown from experience, one of whom was the Ram Z Paul type I've spoken about on here ages ago, who always had incredibly-hot women hanging off him, and was forever annoying the footy player types, none of whom could figure him out, because his behaviour made no sense to them.

Look, these categories require us to discard our ego, so I'll type myself so anyone interested in the topic can understand the type of calls you need to make.

Let's take a closer look at Vox's breakdown of Alpha and Sigma Behaviour. I'll bold what I coldly and realistically think applies to me.

Quote:Alpha: The alpha is the tall, good-looking guy who is the center of both male and female attention. The classic star of the football team who is dating the prettiest cheerleader. The successful business executive with the beautiful, stylish, blonde, size zero wife. All the women are attracted to him, while all the men want to be him, or at least be his friend. At a social gathering like a party, he's usually the loud, charismatic guy telling self-flattering stories to a group of attractive women who are listening with interest. However, alphas are only interested in women to the extent that they exist for the alpha's gratification, physical and psychological, they are actually more concerned with their overall group status.

I'm always surprised if any girl says I'm 'good-looking'. I successfully-floated around the edges of multiple cliques through school, including the sporting ones, a trait I still use at parties. I listen to the stories of others without interrupting, and offer my own for contrast. (Note my Gamma Stepdad always tries to interrupt the conversation of whomever is the most socially-dominant in any situation). I'm uninterested in status games and the traditional signifiers of such, as such, you'll rarely see me butting heads, needing to be 'win'. However, women do flirt and smile and giggle and touch me all the time during conversation, deliberately try to extend the conversation, and open me in public. I think this is less to do with Alpha than more that I'm an easy-going conversationalist.

So, no, I'm not an Alpha.

Quote:Sigma: The outsider who doesn't play the social game and manage to win at it anyhow. The sigma is hated by alphas because sigmas are the only men who don't accept or at least acknowledge, however grudgingly, their social dominance. (NB: Alphas absolutely hate to be laughed at and a sigma can often enrage an alpha by doing nothing more than smiling at him.) Everyone else is vaguely confused by them. In a social situation, the sigma is the man who stops in briefly to say hello to a few friends accompanied by a Tier 1 girl that no one has ever seen before. Sigmas like women, but tend to be contemptuous of them. They are usually considered to be strange. Gammas often like to think they are sigmas, failing to understand that sigmas are not social rejects, they are at the top of the social hierarchy despite their refusal to play by its rules.

I can ingratiate myself to most groups quickly, so don't think i'm necessarily an outsider, as people tend to want me in their cliques. I get along fine with Alphas, as I don't threaten their leadership. Whilst I do confuse people, I think it's more a Lone Wolf nature based on not needing other people the way most people do, and a curious nature of always exploring other ways of doing things, assuming there might be a better way no-one has thought of yet. When girls say they find me unusual, it's more about me not playing by their expected rules, so they find me more frustrating than strange. Anyone trying to get close to me might find me hard to put a finger on. I know I'm not Gamma, because I can recognise Gamma in others, and, it's annoying enough I'd slap it the hell out of myself if I saw it there.

So, whilst we're getting closer, no, I don't think I'm Sigma.

Which lives me with Beta or Delta, and Delta definitely isn't me. This is Beta:

Quote:Beta: Betas are the good-looking guys who aren't as uniformly attractive or socially dominant as the Alpha, but are nevertheless confident, attractive to women, and do well with them. At the party, they are the loud guy's friends who showed up with the alcohol and who are flirting with the tier one women and cheerfully pairing up with the tier two women. Betas tend to genuinely like women and view them in a somewhat optimistic manner, but they don't have a lot of illusions about them either. Betas tend to be happy, secure in themselves, and are up for anything their alpha wants to do. When they marry, it is not infrequently to a woman who was one of the alpha's former girlfriends.

I do very well with women. I'm quite happy in a role as second-in-command, and don't feel threatened or resentful if the Alpha gets more attention than me, including from an attractive woman. Musically, this is why I'm quite happy to have someone else sing my songs, so they can get all the attention that I don't particularly want, or need. I tend to be a facilitator at a party, wanting everyone to have a good time, so, yeah, I'd bring beer. I'd flirt with Tier One Women and close them most of the time. I do genuinely-enjoy the company and friendship of women, but I realistically-understand what they are and what they're capable of. (See my theories of how women crave to exist in a purely-emotional state, or my Four Rules for predicting Female Behaviour). Whilst, like all of us, I have my anxious or annoyed moments, I bounce back quickly. When Bill (an Alpha) suggested we were extending my fence this morning, I thought "Good idea," and together we got it up. I recognise he has very good leadership abilities in terms of organisation, knowledge and ability to effectively transmit that knowledge, so know he's where he should be.

I'm closest to Beta than Sigma, and definitely hate the social hoops that go with being alpha.

------

I'll admit there's potentially-more unexplored complexity to Day's theory. Whilst I think Vox's breakdown is brilliant at identifying archetypes that are easily-recognized by the socially-experienced, I'd also suggest the Jungian possibility of Dominant and Auxiliary traits existing within the same person.

So, whilst I have a mate who is Dominantly Gamma (instantly unlikable; resentful of other's success; obsessive / stalkerish; low notch count ), he is Auxiliary Alpha, particularly in terms of Muscularity, Behaviour and Body Language, (6ft4; built; very deep voice; nods upwards instead of downwards; superficially attractive to women until he starts a conversation with them; only ends up fucking deeply-dysfunctional ones).

There's a particular Youtuber I've noticed who is a Dominantly-Delta (intelligent; agreeable; not destined to change the world; good husband material for an average girl) and whom I genuinely-believe might graduate to Beta in another five years or so as he deepens into maturity; but whom has Auxiliary Gamma Tendencies that show up whenever he's triggered, (resentful; bitter; can't let shit go; believes he's a sigma).

You can see how more fluid I suspect these categories are. I'd love to be able to run some studies of Vox's Theory, but, of course, they're unfundable and unpublishable under I Fucking Love Science! academia.

So, for myself, I see two possibilities here within this extended conception:

Theory One

I was a child who was a Dominant Sigma / Auxiliary Gamma, ('I do my own thing because everyone else is so much dumber than me'), who had the Gamma slapped the fuck out of me by the intrusion of hard reality during early adolescence, forcing true perspective ('I do my own thing because I don't understand or fit in with other people due to my high intelligence, which isn't an achievement in and of itself').

Bluntly, I got the fuck over myself, and realised I was down in the mud, just like everyone else.

This forced me to learn how to get along with people during my teen years. Note that the more I studied sociology and psychology, the more I practiced active mindfulness of dysfunctional traits and erased or largely-negated them from my behaviour.

As such, I likely negated both extremes of my behaviour and settled, quite-happily, into the Dominant Beta / Auxiliary Alpha State, my tempered childhood arrogance meaning I don't feel the need to be the alpha in any social situation. Maybe I do a little better with women than your standard beta, and can dominate a room in the absence of a True Alpha, but that's most likely because of my physicality and the fact that I'm quick-witted enough to keep girls frustrated.

Theory Two

I'm still a True Sigma, who has learnt how to successfully-fake the appearance of Beta behaviour for my own benefit, to the degree that even I've forgotten who I actually am.

Theory One is far less obnoxious to me. I guess, in the end, I'm still choosing the more ego-flattering one.

Post: #67

For fuck sake somebody is gonna have to make a list of all the goddamn acronyms and code words for this forum.

Fucking sigmas and gammas and lambdas and zetas and thetas. I don't know what any of this shit means.

Post: #68

(03-25-2017 12:30 AM)BrewDog Wrote:  For fuck sake somebody is gonna have to make a list of all the goddamn acronyms and code words for this forum.

Fucking sigmas and gammas and lambdas and zetas and thetas. I don't know what any of this shit means.

Nah, this is just Vintage Manosphere stuff. It's easy to have missed.

Heartiste thought of Men as an Alpha / Beta dichotomy. Vox Day, very perceptively, broke it down much further into multiple categories:

http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com.au/201...archy.html

Post: #69

(03-25-2017 12:33 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 12:30 AM)BrewDog Wrote:  For fuck sake somebody is gonna have to make a list of all the goddamn acronyms and code words for this forum.

Fucking sigmas and gammas and lambdas and zetas and thetas. I don't know what any of this shit means.

Nah, this is just Vintage Manosphere stuff. It's easy to have missed.

Heartiste thought of Men as an Alpha / Beta dichotomy. Vox Day, very perceptively, broke it down much further into multiple categories:

http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com.au/201...archy.html

I don't know that I can memorize all those categories. I just come here to talk about pussy and beer.

Post: #70

(03-25-2017 12:33 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(03-25-2017 12:30 AM)BrewDog Wrote:  For fuck sake somebody is gonna have to make a list of all the goddamn acronyms and code words for this forum.

Fucking sigmas and gammas and lambdas and zetas and thetas. I don't know what any of this shit means.

Nah, this is just Vintage Manosphere stuff. It's easy to have missed.

Heartiste thought of Men as an Alpha / Beta dichotomy. Vox Day, very perceptively, broke it down much further into multiple categories:

http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com.au/201...archy.html

Frankly I never accepted VoxDay's additional breakdown completely because he used the terms Alpha/Beta and introduced Deltas for many men.

I find Roissy's / Heartiste's terms of lesser Alpha, lesser Sigma and higher Beta much better.

AB - I think due to your life experiences and occupation in the field of psychology you are way too much overanalyzing things.

1. Your frame is Red Pill and unbendable while being attractive to women. Red PIll Gammas may have unbending strong frame, but no one wants them. Betas submit to the female frame - verdict for Sigma.

2. VoxDay's assessment of a good-looking Beta getting laid easily is true, but will he maximize his lay potential. You also clearly stated that women open you, they are extremely attracted to you and you can lead a crowd in absence of an extroverted Alpha, but due to being introverted most simply don't overly like it. Heck - the entire RSD crowd consists of introverted guys, who have forced themselves to become extroverts in certain circumstances (and yes - some do have real Game skills and learned charisma).

Either way - the verdict for yourself as a combination of your entire physical attributes, charm, Game, Frame, understanding can only be at the very least lesser Sigma. You are mellow enough to follow, but that in itself is not something negating your general status. No one is Alpha all the time.

At best you fluctuate between Sigma and Beta like Alphas do between Alpha and Beta. I don't use the term Delta, because that is just a lesser Beta.

I use the term Gamma or Omega, because those groups are a category on it's own and it makes sense.

We probably won't be getting a fixed scientific nomenclature for those terms anytime soon since society currently prefers to even deny genders.

For example - does an Alpha stop being Alpha while being 77? His sexual market value is limited, but his frame, personality and Game remains.


Either way - you are a Sigma who is way too critical of himself. VoxDay equates it automatically to a socio-hierarchy which has quite a few pitfalls. For example:

A natural highly intelligent Gamma becomes a Hollywood writer/actor. He easily outbangs every Alpha in sight, but his perception of the Red Pill/Game do not change. His LTRs all fail quickly and the women don't like him for himself.

Personally I use the term similar to Roissy - it is at one time a sign of socio-sexual level, at times a sign to the frame and dominance of that person in contrast to women (less towards other men since many highly masculine dominant Military men are 100% Betas in marriage and kill themselves after the wife leaves them - that is a Blue-pill indoctrinated Beta).

Clearly - those terms are somewhat flexible depending how you use them and for what circumstance.

Post: #71

I see your point Zelc, but I think the issue then comes down to, personally, which Writer's Theoretical Construct do you find more intellectually-intriguing, and valid enough to allow further experimentation, leading to a curious mind being able to offer further theoretical expansion upon their theories?

It then comes down to whether each of us finds Vox or Roissy more perceptive when it comes to analysing human behaviour, and Roissy has simply never intellectually-intrigued me that way, particularly as I was arguing a couple of years ago that Evo-Psych as a predictor of female behaviour has had its day, as female dysfunction is normalised.

I'm happy for him to be out there, but Vox speaks louder to me. Obviously, the reverse is true in your case.

I will however take the fair criticism of being too over-analytical on this forum and work on that aspect of myself. I suspect the more serious, analytical side of my personality is best left to my music, research and personal writings, very little of which I have any impulse to share with society by this stage of my life.

Post: #72

(03-25-2017 05:20 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  I will however take the fair criticism of being too over-analytical on this forum and work on that aspect of myself. I suspect the more serious, analytical side of my personality is best left to my music, research and personal writings, very little of which I have any impulse to share with society by this stage of my life.

Please consider sharing your work sometime before you lay on your deathbed, that at least our posterity may appreciate it.

G

Post: #73

The cad!Betcha he didn't even let them have sex with him.

Post: #74

I will never treat a girl to dinner until after sex. Doing it on a first date or a girl asking to get dinner instead? NEXT.

Guys remember this girl?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...rants.html

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRHbc7QhGS0/...otherspoon

Still broke, now living off beta bucks. Looks like the wall is near.

Post: #75

Clicked on this thread expecting something just above fart jokes (metaphorically) and stumble on AB and Zel laying down Gestalt altering intellectualism. I fucking love this forum!