(05-07-2017 01:20 PM)911 Wrote: SILVER LINING:
Marine le Pen in her concession speech talked of deep-down changes and renewal at the Front National. She's probably going to dissolve the party and set up a more inclusve anti-globalist patriotic party that will head the opposition to Macron.
(05-07-2017 01:35 PM)balybary Wrote: I suppose Mikado is not a French citizen
Quote:Too soon for France
The results of the French election will be announced soon, and I expect the globalists and their pet media to celebrate Macron's victory in much the same way that they did when Golden Dawn was defeated in Greece and the Freedom Party was defeated in Austria. But they shouldn't, nor should nationalists despair in the least, because this is not the election cycle in which Europe's nationalists were expected to come to power.
I wrote this in 2015. It still applies today:
Quote:The Fascists and the National Socialists came to power in the 1930s because they were the most credible options available to the Italian and German publics at the time. Don't confuse the beginnings with the ends; 1933 was not 1941 or even 1939. Fascists were not elected with the idea that they would throw in with German imperialism (it is usually forgotten that Mussolini was an ally of France and Great Britain and only threw in with Germany after Great Britain betrayed Italian interests), and the National Socialists were not elected because they promised they would invade the Soviet Union, slaughter the Jews in Eastern Europe, and get Germany into a war with the USA.
One can't learn anything useful about the future prospects of revolutionary parties by what other revolutionary parties did AFTER they came to power, one can only learn about their prospects by looking at what the other parties were doing BEFORE they came to power.
The worst thing about the established anti-nationalist European parties is that they have failed so spectacularly that even the violently murderous anti-immigrant parties will be preferred to them by even the most sane and civilized elements of the electorate. In a time of invasion, it doesn't matter how dangerous the only party willing to defend you might be, what matters is that they are the only ones willing to defend you, your family, and your children.
As for those who are historically ignorant enough to point out that Golden Dawn only won 18 seats in the Greek parliament with 7 percent of the vote and therefore will never come to power, I will type very, very slowly and point out that in 1928, five years before they took power, the National Socialist Workers Party won 12 seats in the German parliament with 2.6 percent of the vote.
Two election cycles. And then you will see an absolute sea change in Europe. And if the EU attempts to entirely abandon even the pretense of democracy in defense of the invasion, the change will come even faster. And harder.
What is remarkable about the election today is that the French people have already turned against the established anti-nationalist parties, rejecting both in the first round of voting. But while they are willing to reject both sides of the establishment, they are not yet ready to turn to the nationalists. In this, Macron plays much the same role as Trump; he is a nominal outsider who, despite his elite connections, was not a player in either establishment party.
Macron will fail abysmally, of course, which is why I expect the Front National, possibly led by Marine Le Pen's more telegenic niece, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, to come to power in the next election cycle.
Americans who cannot fathom this reluctance to vote for the nationalists in light of the events in Paris and Nice would do well to recall their own history. Did Americans turn against immigration, foreign interference, and the establishment parties immediately after 9/11? Of course not. It took 15 years, and three full presidential cycles, before they were ready to turn to the God-Emperor, and even then it was a close-run thing.
National electorates are like very large ships. It takes them a while to change direction. But, once they genuinely turn - and I am not counting choosing one color faction of the bi-factional ruling party instead of the other - that's when real and substantive change can take place.
Of course, I could be wrong. And if I am wrong, and Marine Le Pen does manage to pull of an upset today, that will send a absolutely cataclysmic message to the masters of the collapsing European Union.
(05-07-2017 01:57 PM)911 Wrote: I'm gutted but really not that surprised given the weak 1st round result. Very few of the people I know voted for MLP, even Fillon voters.
It's way too early, but le Pen might need to step down and hand the reins to someone like Dupont-Aignan who has no baggage and who will take more of the anti-globalist votes. The main ally of Macron is Melenchon, establishment mole who is splitting the anti-establishment vote. He's played his role perfectly in this election.
(05-07-2017 11:25 AM)balybary Wrote: In the USA, the social justice warrior movement has reached his peak at the end of the Obama's presidency. Now the SJW movement is on a downward spiral in the USA, and this is a good thing.
(05-07-2017 02:11 PM)Libertas Wrote: Marine dissolving the FN and doing something new may be good, but ultimately I think she's going to have to step aside relatively soon.
It's clear the Le Pen brand is very, very toxic to generations of French voters, the older ones more so than the younger ones, as a result of her father's stupidity.
The nationalist movement in France is probably going to need a new expression, a break with the past, and a new face to go with the name.
(05-07-2017 01:54 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote: It sucks to see all the wrong people jubilant and happy about this, but it was expected.
I recall my interaction with a group of French tourists in Krakow in February 2016, only 3 months after the Paris massacre. When I asked them what they reckons of FN and Le Pen, this was the answer: "O no way, they are terrifying...they'll just make the terrorism problem worse?" I asked how come ? , they responded: "Le Pen wants France for French people mostly. It's dangerous and gives excuses to more terrorists."
LEPEN WANTS FRANCE FOR FRENCH PEOPLE MOSTLY = DANGEROUS EXTREMIST
Same with one of my current flatmates who is French and is grinning no end today. Impossible to have a political discourse with them, they genuinely think they've just voted against return of Nazism. It all stems to the culturally marxism reason. They don't dislike Le Pen because they actually believe she would be the next Hitler, they genuinely believe mass immigration not to be a concern. I asked my French friends if they believe both countries would run as normal if we swapped the 10M ethnic Swedes with 10M population of Somalia, so all Somalians live and run Sweden and vice versa, and all believed it's not the PEOPLE that make the country, but rather the borders. For that reason, they completely dismiss the scary demographic change looming and of course the islamic problem that accelerates with it.
(05-07-2017 02:34 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:(05-07-2017 02:11 PM)Libertas Wrote: Marine dissolving the FN and doing something new may be good, but ultimately I think she's going to have to step aside relatively soon.
It's clear the Le Pen brand is very, very toxic to generations of French voters, the older ones more so than the younger ones, as a result of her father's stupidity.
The nationalist movement in France is probably going to need a new expression, a break with the past, and a new face to go with the name.
I don't believe this is true. The media will smear anyone who professes any anti-globalist affiliation, no matter their name. If "Mr. Libertas" became the head of FN tomorrow, the media would have article discovering his Nazi past, extreme right wing beliefs, promotion of violence, tax scandals, gaffes and whatever else before the end of week.
(05-07-2017 02:34 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:(05-07-2017 01:54 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote: It sucks to see all the wrong people jubilant and happy about this, but it was expected.
I recall my interaction with a group of French tourists in Krakow in February 2016, only 3 months after the Paris massacre. When I asked them what they reckons of FN and Le Pen, this was the answer: "O no way, they are terrifying...they'll just make the terrorism problem worse?" I asked how come ? , they responded: "Le Pen wants France for French people mostly. It's dangerous and gives excuses to more terrorists."
LEPEN WANTS FRANCE FOR FRENCH PEOPLE MOSTLY = DANGEROUS EXTREMIST
Same with one of my current flatmates who is French and is grinning no end today. Impossible to have a political discourse with them, they genuinely think they've just voted against return of Nazism. It all stems to the culturally marxism reason. They don't dislike Le Pen because they actually believe she would be the next Hitler, they genuinely believe mass immigration not to be a concern. I asked my French friends if they believe both countries would run as normal if we swapped the 10M ethnic Swedes with 10M population of Somalia, so all Somalians live and run Sweden and vice versa, and all believed it's not the PEOPLE that make the country, but rather the borders. For that reason, they completely dismiss the scary demographic change looming and of course the islamic problem that accelerates with it.
The population has been lied about :
+ Islam
+ all cultures being equal
+ Western cultures being the worst and the most oppressive
+ Christianity being worse than Islam
+ Jesus or Buddha being as good as Mohammed
+ all races being equal
+ no difference in IQ in races and does not matter (if you say that by the way, then you do nothing to close to the gap, but just continue to demand equal outcomes by far different predeterminants - Ashkenazi Jews and Asians will intellectually outperform Whites, and Whites will outperform all other races - that is a fact that is viciously attacked. Personally I think that gaps can be closed over generations, but it takes active effort just how Ashkenazi Jews boosted theirs to 113.)
+ a mix of highly different cultures and races bringing a melting pot of culture despite the fact that some tribes cannot possibly compete well in the West and will want to conquer the rest of world
I see only a big war coming about. The globalists will not allow for Europe to become Muslim caliphates or republics. So they will destroy the budding future Caliphates in a different way. But before that happens you will see a true rape culture happen in Western Europe. There will be daily riots, those places will become militarized shitholes. The globalists succeed it seems with their shitty Cudenhove-Kalergi plan and Barbara Spectre can rejoice as their plans are running smoothly - though it will be to the detriment of the 600.000 Jews living in France now - most of them will have left in the next decades (but their traitor-elite-class will stay, so it would not matter frankly).
I don't think that Le Pen can win next time either. Electronic voting will push the results easy any way they want. If they add the electronic voting with biometrics from home, then it is game over anyway, because then they can even fake a 95% voter participation rate and pull off any stunt they want.
I think that this was one of the last chances to stop it all. There will be 700.000 to 1.000.000 more migrants and young African and Muslims in voting age in the country in a few years. Even if a nationalist party wins because diversity has become unbearable, there will be too many far-left and those with migrant background who will vote for the further destruction of France.
Even if Mikado's visiting sister gets shot by a Jihadi in Paris, he will simply say that he wasn't a true Muslim and then go the mosque to pray for the pedophile psychopath who has unleashed that sick cult on the world. (though to be fair without the plans and designs of the globalists those people would not be in Europe or there would be very few of the most secular variety here).
And the left is equally moronic and will collect funds at the memorial services of their dead for more refugees. Mental conditioning takes a lot of time to reverse and some are never able to do it in that lifetime.
It is fitting that their greatest movie star has left France for Russia. The smart money will do the same in the next years and will move to Argentina, Eastern Europe, Russia or Asia.
(05-07-2017 02:11 PM)Libertas Wrote: Marine dissolving the FN and doing something new may be good, but ultimately I think she's going to have to step aside relatively soon.
It's clear the Le Pen brand is very, very toxic to generations of French voters, the older ones more so than the younger ones, as a result of her father's stupidity.
The nationalist movement in France is probably going to need a new expression, a break with the past, and a new face to go with the name. If Le Pen wants to help the nationalist movement she should use her influence along with other movements to set up a new focal point for nationalism and then ultimately stand aside.
Alternatively, things could just get so bad she could win later, like Nigel Farage seems to predict, but I'm not so sure.
Also take note that the fake news learned a lot this election, from the constant use of the "far right" tag that was essentially a Trumpist/Adamsian linguistic kill shot to the marvelous astroturfing of liddle Macron. They are learning.
(05-07-2017 11:25 AM)balybary Wrote: In the USA, the social justice warrior movement has reached his peak at the end of the Obama's presidency. Now the SJW movement is on a downward spiral in the USA, and this is a good thing.
I disagree. The SJW's are very energized now and in some respects the "social justice" infestation and preaching is getting even worse after Trump's win, because it gave them confirmation bias that their "systemic oppression" narrative is real. And because they think they're moral while everyone else is benighted, they are bringing out all effort to destroy everything.
They're out of power for now and making very stupid blunders, but I'm not underestimating them, which is why the GOP is making me want to gag because as usual they're doing their best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and don't understand that these people cannot be reasoned with.
(05-07-2017 02:11 PM)Libertas Wrote: Marine dissolving the FN and doing something new may be good, but ultimately I think she's going to have to step aside relatively soon.
It's clear the Le Pen brand is very, very toxic to generations of French voters, the older ones more so than the younger ones, as a result of her father's stupidity.
The nationalist movement in France is probably going to need a new expression, a break with the past, and a new face to go with the name. If Le Pen wants to help the nationalist movement she should use her influence along with other movements to set up a new focal point for nationalism and then ultimately stand aside.
Alternatively, things could just get so bad she could win later, like Nigel Farage seems to predict, but I'm not so sure.
Also take note that the fake news learned a lot this election, from the constant use of the "far right" tag that was essentially a Trumpist/Adamsian linguistic kill shot to the marvelous astroturfing of liddle Macron. They are learning.
(05-07-2017 11:25 AM)balybary Wrote: In the USA, the social justice warrior movement has reached his peak at the end of the Obama's presidency. Now the SJW movement is on a downward spiral in the USA, and this is a good thing.
I disagree. The SJW's are very energized now and in some respects the "social justice" infestation and preaching is getting even worse after Trump's win, because it gave them confirmation bias that their "systemic oppression" narrative is real. And because they think they're moral while everyone else is benighted, they are bringing out all effort to destroy everything.
They're out of power for now and making very stupid blunders, but I'm not underestimating them, which is why the GOP is making me want to gag because as usual they're doing their best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and don't understand that these people cannot be reasoned with.
(05-07-2017 01:54 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote: It sucks to see all the wrong people jubilant and happy about this, but it was expected.
I recall my interaction with a group of French tourists in Krakow in February 2016, only 3 months after the Paris massacre. When I asked them what they reckons of FN and Le Pen, this was the answer: "O no way, they are terrifying...they'll just make the terrorism problem worse?" I asked how come ? , they responded: "Le Pen wants France for French people mostly. It's dangerous and gives excuses to more terrorists."
LEPEN WANTS FRANCE FOR FRENCH PEOPLE MOSTLY = DANGEROUS EXTREMIST
Same with one of my current flatmates who is French and is grinning no end today. Impossible to have a political discourse with them, they genuinely think they've just voted against return of Nazism. It all stems to the culturally marxism reason. They don't dislike Le Pen because they actually believe she would be the next Hitler, they genuinely believe mass immigration not to be a concern. I asked my French friends if they believe both countries would run as normal if we swapped the 10M ethnic Swedes with 10M population of Somalia, so all Somalians live and run Sweden and vice versa, and all believed it's not the PEOPLE that make the country, but rather the borders. For that reason, they completely dismiss the scary demographic change looming and of course the islamic problem that accelerates with it.
How can you reason with these people? They genuinely seem to believe women wear burqa as it's a choice and allowing it shows their "progressive" and "liberal" and "religious freedom" values. Frankly, as horrible as it may sound, I keep asking, why do I seem to care more about their country and culture' future than they do?
Until we get a better control and grip of the media and the information war, we won't have meaningful victories. It may be too late when that , if ever, happens.