Post: #126

(01-06-2017 09:20 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I've used the "herding cats" analogy elsewhere.

The alt-right doesn't have troops to lead. What it has is something approaching a foul mouthed near-omniscient AI with MPD that floats around the internet obliterating anything it senses has an ego.

I don't think it's quite that useless. I'm sure an influential leader-type with a big audience could band a couple dozen competent, intelligent people together to work toward a common goal. That's actually a lot of power to wield, if you know what you're doing. And if you have 200k followers, you have a ready audience for whatever useful thing you're working on. You know, unless you change direction for no apparent reason and piss off half your audience.

Vox Day is the only person in the alt-whatever I know of who's doing anything like trying to actually disrupt the leftist media complex. Andrew Torba deserves a mention for Gab, but I have no idea if he's in the alt-whatever.

I do not, however, have an encyclopedic knowledge of the alt-whatever so maybe there are people doing useful shit I don't know about.

(01-06-2017 09:29 AM)Thersites Wrote:  I'm newibe in sense, but I know MikeCF's contribution to the forum for years. His missteps he iss making right now are prime targets to bunch a fucking gamma with nothing better to do. We all make mistakes as human beings for are imperfect by nature. Give him some space and help the man out if you have the skills and talents he needs.

Help him with what? He's not doing anything.

Quote:Lack of define leadership was one of the advantages for Alt Right against the media and other leftist groups by denied an centralized target to subvert and smear. Right now we are seeing that problem of lack of leadership and competing ideologies at play. Here is to hoping that left starts attack to give something for the alt right to rally against.

If we're just going to be reactive, we will lose. The left is the definition of proactive. Those fuckers never sleep. They're befuddled right now but I have no doubt if we fail to cement our gains and lay the groundwork for more in the immediate future, the leftist hordes will be right at our throats again by 2020.

Post: #127

(01-06-2017 10:47 AM)weambulance Wrote:  If we're just going to be reactive, we will lose. The left is the definition of proactive. Those fuckers never sleep. They're befuddled right now but I have no doubt if we fail to cement our gains and lay the groundwork for more in the immediate future, the leftist hordes will be right at our throats again by 2020.

The left doesn't have to do anything to win in the end. The demographic tide is rising inexorably and is going to bury us in a decade or 2 even if the left does absolutely nothing at all from now on. Call it the left's "passive income" from investments made over the past 70 years.

Post: #128

I don't think that's a foregone conclusion. Predictions like that always assume there will be no fundamental changes that break the trends. And they also assume we'll just go down quietly.

Certainly if we just sit around and let it happen we're pretty much fucked. And that's my point.

Post: #129

I don't buy this demographic stuff - I know I harp on about it a lot, but it's not like you have hordes of third world Muslims pouring in. Lots of the hispanics (the ones with all or nearly all european genes) will be part of the white majority within a few decades, just like the Italians and Greeks etc, and just as they are already outside the US. Milo, for example, wouldn't have been 'white' white a century ago in the States.

Post: #130

(01-06-2017 08:26 AM)Gmac Wrote:  You understand Mike was a pillar of the RVF community who contributed to this forum for many years right?

This kind of shaming is frowned upon in general, but especially so since you have an active relationship with Mike. It's best if we use logical arguments and critiques here instead of speaking down to the membership.

This also goes to Lika. If you have something to add, please do, but one-sided sharing of insulting hater tweets against Mike is not useful. There should generally be useful commentary or argument attached to what we share, especially in this thread because of its sensitive nature.

Post: #131

(01-06-2017 08:26 AM)Gmac Wrote:  You understand Mike was a pillar of the RVF community who contributed to this forum for many years right?

context, I also remember his meltdown/exit. No judgments, but its relevant to the whole picture of Mike's presence on RVF.

Post: #132

(01-06-2017 11:36 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 08:26 AM)Gmac Wrote:  You understand Mike was a pillar of the RVF community who contributed to this forum for many years right?

context, I also remember his meltdown/exit. No judgments, but its relevant to the whole picture of Mike's presence on RVF.

Regardless, it would be ugly for this to become a "Mike hater thread", which is the direction it's going. Let's keep it to analysis and commentary. A good rule of thumb is not to say anything that you wouldn't mind saying to him face-to-face.

Post: #133

I will be very brutal here, folks.

First of all, I have followed Mike's blog and Youtube channel for a long time. I admire his work.




Now, is he a perfect human being? No.

He is a human, and he makes mistakes from time to time. Just like you, or me.




Could he handle the situation with BA better? No doubt.

Should he be more careful when hiring people (Feldman and BA)? No doubt.



He is a smart guy, and he certainly did learn something.




It is sad to see that RvF is diving into two camps on this matter. One camp think he is some sort of a deity which can't make mistakes, and the other hates him because he did a few mistakes.


I am in the middle. Like I said before, Mike is certainly a good guy, and I am well aware that he can make a wrong move sometimes. Like...everyone else. And second, I am not a purist. If a person does, or says something that I disagree with, I will not hate him (or her). I am a pragmatic person, like Donald Trump, who says ''We need to be good with everyone''.



Be like the Donald. In medio tutissimus ibis.

Post: #134

Do you really think people "hate" Mike because he "made a few mistakes"? Because from where I'm sitting, that's a gross oversimplification of the situation, to the point that it's basically a strawman argument.

If you gain notoriety and build your brand on seeking the truth and exposing the shady shit other people in the media do, you can hardly expect people to ignore it when you start doing exactly the same shit you criticized your targets for doing.

As a simple example of the dissonance in Mike's behavior right now, look at the tweet he just made:

In light of the post-Baked Alaska spin and twitter history purge Mike indulged in--and still is, as far as I can tell--how can I possibly take him seriously when he says something like the above?

Much worse than the hypocrisy is trying to whitewash the positions he took and things he said in the past. It's one thing to say you were wrong about something and change your mind. I can respect that. I've changed my mind about a lot of shit since I joined this forum. But pretending you never said it at all? That's just pathetic, especially since there are screencaps of many of the controversial tweets! What's next, "paid Soros shills" photoshopped those old tweets? Give me a fucking break.

It's almost starting to feel like he's trying to set up some kind of redemption arc with all this ridiculous behavior.

I don't care if people agree with me about any of this. The evidence is all there if you're willing to see it, and we're all men here. Make up your own minds. But don't misrepresent the situation to try to persuade people there's just nothing to see.

Post: #135

We are on the same page man. I intentionally simplified my previous post, to summarize my point of view. I did not, and I do not have any intention to hide anything. Although, I regret using the word ''hater''. There is maybe a better word, but I do not know it (I am not a native English speaker, so...).


When I mentioned BA (in this sentence)...

Quote:Could he handle the situation with BA better? No doubt.

...I did not deny that he (Mike) did whitewash his Tweet feed. I did not deny that Mike should be more careful with his language. As you pointed out, he screwed up. But again, he is a human, and he is prone to make mistakes like that. Especially now, when he got a daughter and got noticed by Trump. I basically tried to urge the forum to give him some slack, that's all! Nothing more, nothing less!



And, speaking of the Tweet you posted...I would rather see how the situation will develop, before I jump to any conclusions. He either did not see the full Tweet (can happen), or he did it out of malice.

Post: #136

More back on topic re-feldman tweets. I'm always amazed at how free spoken people are on twitter, especially when they have income connected to their feed. Its like the equivalent of those menu/quote chalk boards that restaurants put in front of their doors...except they are virtually un-eraseable.

Would I put up a restaurant chalkboard for the day that says "Soup of the day, Matzo ball soup. Jew price $3.99 Goyim price $5.99" No. You would just hand people the jew or goy menu when they sat down to eat. Its like people have forgotten to how to just be offensive in private.

Post: #137

^ Yes Dr. Howard. It's like how most people on reality TV shows grow accustomed to the cameras and forget they are on, which is the intent of the show producers all along, and is the intent of the Twitter-lords also. Trump is great at Twitter and reality TV because he never forgets the camera is on. Seems like Feldman and Cernovich may have lost a bit of awareness here. But for those of us looking carefully for their true personalities, this is a windfall profit.

Post: #138

The premise that Mike may be joining the Trump team in some capacity is huge. We need to cut him a lot of slack. There would be strict requirements if true.

He's obviously been under massive strain recently and looks like he needs some rest. Things have not gone too well and we should try to avoid saying that he might be cucking or selling out. There are obviously going to be major hurdles for him to clear to become a 'made man' in the Trump ranks...

Post: #139

(01-06-2017 02:38 PM)rotekz Wrote:  The premise that Mike may be joining the Trump team in some capacity is huge. We need to cut him a lot of slack. There would be strict requirements if true.

He's obviously been under massive strain recently and looks like he needs some rest. Things have not gone too well and we should try to avoid saying that he might be cucking or selling out. There are obviously going to be major hurdles for him to clear to become a 'made man' in the Trump ranks...

Bad timing if that is the case. The lack of sleep induced by crying newborns makes people insane. If I were under big business developments at the same time as having a new baby I would fork out for a nanny...probably not a hot one if I wanted to stay married, a hot one if I hated my wife.

Post: #140

(01-06-2017 02:52 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 02:38 PM)rotekz Wrote:  The premise that Mike may be joining the Trump team in some capacity is huge. We need to cut him a lot of slack. There would be strict requirements if true.

He's obviously been under massive strain recently and looks like he needs some rest. Things have not gone too well and we should try to avoid saying that he might be cucking or selling out. There are obviously going to be major hurdles for him to clear to become a 'made man' in the Trump ranks...

Bad timing if that is the case. The lack of sleep induced by crying newborns makes people insane. If I were under big business developments at the same time as having a new baby I would fork out for a nanny...probably not a hot one if I wanted to stay married, a hot one if I hated my wife.

Crying newborns makes men insane.

Fixed.

It's been scientifically proven too. I just bought new headphones myself but it's not always enough. My firing range ear protection can take the sting out of it somewhat, but even then... I get tired of wearing cans on my head all day long.

I'm just glad my mother in law is with us, so I don't have to change a diaper or do anything baby related at all. That helps alot. I had to help with the first one a little bit because I had no choice and those were dark times I tell you. Dark. Whiskey is about the only thing that dulls that cacophony.

God did not design men to deal with crying babies. Gotta make sure you have adequate female coverage before they come, get a plan in motion fellas. Don't wait until they get here.

Post: #141

This motherfucker intentionally says 'attacks us" when in actuality it should be "attacked me and only me"

This seems like personal vendetta that you need to sort out on your own. I'm here to read sensible threads from time to time, not join a retarded pitch fork mob like all the other blind sheep here.

Post: #142

(01-06-2017 08:56 PM)Bullfucker Wrote:  This motherfucker intentionally says 'attacks us" when in actuality it should be "attacked me and only me"

This seems like personal vendetta that you need to sort out on your own.

Mm hmm.

Post: #143

(01-06-2017 08:56 PM)Bullfucker Wrote:  This motherfucker intentionally says 'attacks us" when in actuality it should be "attacked me and only me"

This seems like personal vendetta that you need to sort out on your own. I'm here to read sensible threads from time to time, not join a retarded pitch fork mob like all the other blind sheep here.

Post: #144

(01-06-2017 08:56 PM)Bullfucker Wrote:  This motherfucker intentionally says 'attacks us" when in actuality it should be "attacked me and only me"

This seems like personal vendetta that you need to sort out on your own. I'm here to read sensible threads from time to time, not join a retarded pitch fork mob like all the other blind sheep here.

Not for long you won't.

Post: #145

(01-06-2017 09:15 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 08:56 PM)Bullfucker Wrote:  This motherfucker intentionally says 'attacks us" when in actuality it should be "attacked me and only me"

This seems like personal vendetta that you need to sort out on your own. I'm here to read sensible threads from time to time, not join a retarded pitch fork mob like all the other blind sheep here.

Not for long you won't.

You are a fvcking moron. You are exactly like the sheep that follow these moronic PUAs. Why the hell do you care who I insult or call out on their bull$hit? You seem like one of the lowly dregs that purchase the ebooks that keep bull$hit artists like Roosh or Roissy in business.

You are naively misunderstanding what I am saying. I am saying that all PUAs regurgitate the same knowledge that all of us already know.

As for Roissy, I agree with many of his sociopolitical points. However, when it comes to pickup advice, he is just as full of it as the people from Street Attraction. PUAs lie about their results and supposed sexual escapades that they continually brag about in anonymity on the internet. I do not have empirical evidence obviously, just common sense. When they write about how they banged this slut or that slut, I do not buy it. Why should I take their nonsense at face value? Why should I not be skeptical? Like I mentioned above, anyone can brag about how they are players on the internet. That does not mean they are telling the truth. Again, like I said initially, it is a fact of the human condition that a man will choose the easiest path that yields him with the maximum results. What is more likely? That one of the aforementioned PUAs is banging girls in Ukraine or Russia, or that he is pumping out lie after lie whilst sitting on his couch popping cheetos into his mouth? Unfortunately, you lack common sense and clarity.

The same goes for Rollo. Most of these guys have conservative viewpoints that I agree with, but at the same time, they are incredibly unreliable like I described above. Not to mention the fact that they are all hypocrites who tie themselves up in a knot of contradictions. On one end, they want a conservative and traditional lifestyle. On the other hand, they are out and about trying to bang as many Western skanks as possible.

"Don't try to bring down guys that are better..."

These idiots are not better than anyone. The only thing they know how to do is brainwash sheep like you into adopting an overcompensating worldview with regards to women and society in order to get more traffic to their web sites. I never said that they do not have anything sensible to say. However, you are a fvcking fool if you take everything they say at face value and internalize a "philosophy" that is based upon contradictions, half truths, and hyperboles. The reality is that all PUAs are full of $hit and lies.

Unfortunately, you are too deluded and misguided to acknowledge any of this.

A shame really

Post: #146

^^^
Which banned member was that? No way a completely new person with eight career posts was going off like that.

Post: #147

It was probably Feldman himself.

Post: #148

(01-06-2017 09:38 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  ^^^
Which banned member was that? No way a completely new person with eight career posts was going off like that.

My guess would be BadWolf.

Post: #149

I'm far from being a specialist from the political & alt right threads on here, but I've been reading what's going on with Mike since he's been around here for awhile! When I read that he's being deleting tweets talking about a certain group of people... while his brand stands for criticizing the liberal media... while he knows who runs it? It's simple: the boy Mike received a phone call... or a tap on the shoulder letting him know what's up!

Anyway that's my opinion as an outsider. I've heard Patrice O'neal talk about this very shit so many times that I think the same pattern is going on with him. When you have a wife & kids... and can keep on making great money while doing the same 360 you've been doing ... with very little consequences... it's hard to pass up. If he did indeed receive the heads up... I probably would've done the same thing he's doing... stay comfortable & rich!

Post: #150

Whatever Mike was on this forum, Twitter and the Manosphere in general will be taking a backseat to his real priority- his new family, a child changes everything. Anything that has any chance of removing food from that kids mouth is getting the axe/deleted immediately- Baked Alaska, Feldman, Poorly thought out tweets- you name it, if it does not benefit his family it is out immediately.