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RE: #PizzaGate - child sex ring scandal is going viral
Is the Guardian newspaper trying to tell us something ?
They have been writing about Marina for a long, long time...there's something like 20 different articles spread over 10 years talking about this crazy "woman".
I'm just quoting small portions from some of the more suspicious ones, but if you want to read the whole articles, check the links.
Article from 2013
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign...-abramovic
Quote: Marina Abramovic: 'I am not a vampire'
Jonathan Jones
Wednesday 31 July 2013
The renowned performance artist has bared all in an 'Ask me anything' online chat, from her baking soda baths to why she never wanted kids – and the secret of her eternal youth
Abramovic is asked how she appears never to have aged (she was born in 1946) – is she a vampire? She replies that her grandmother and great-grandmother both lived to more than 100 and kept their youthful looks.
Article from July 2016
Months before the wikileaks stuff was published
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign...aster-work
Quote:Marina Abramović says having children would have been ‘a disaster for my work’ ‘I had three abortions,’
Tuesday 26 July 2016
Nicole Puglise
The performance artist Marina Abramović said she has had three abortions during her life because having children would have been “a disaster for her work”.
In an interview with the German newspaper Tagesspiegel translated by ArtNet, she said that children hold women back in the art world.
“I had three abortions because I was certain that it would be a disaster for my work. One only has limited energy in the body, and I would have had to divide it,” Abramović said in the interview published on Monday.
Even way, way back in 2004 the Guardian was writing about the Podesta's and Abramović
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2004.../usa.world
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What makes Tony Podesta travel thousands of miles just for a gallery opening?
John Hooper
Tuesday 20 April 2004
Today, he reckons, he and his wife have the world's biggest collection of Anna Gaskell ("maybe second to Anna Gaskell"). Other contemporary favourites include Gillian Wearing, Marina Abramovic, Sam Taylor-Wood and Olafur Eliasson, whose work Podesta discovered 10 years ago, when the artist was still at the Royal Academy of Arts in Copenhagen.
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RE: #PizzaGate - child sex ring scandal is going viral
There are lots of very old men and women in Balkans that retain their generally youthful appearance over the years. Myself, from Balkan, have met at least three 90 year olds that lived/live basically on bread and water and work around the house and appear pretty much healthy. Its environment and seclusion thing not vampirism (something very different if we talk about this seriously).
Regarding wacko Abramović. I research occult and what I and real veterans (to clarify I am not a veteran) in the field think is that she is just a wacko "artist", doing her modern "art". She certainly has fascination with occult, like many do in the upper classes of society, but nothing about her "art" screams practical knowledge. Occult serves to her as a inspiration, of course Hillary or such other wackos will buy that.
Btw, small offtopic, but regarding Hillary and generally usage of occult in these political elites is that Hillary would had much narrower results in the election, if she and her handlers knew not to mess with Pepe or they could create counter meme magick. Seriously, I am not joking. This is real occult. Trump may had better plan then Hillary for America, but meme magick helped him BIGLY (haha). It is obvious that people in the right and alt right have better understanding of the occult than the leftists and I am pretty sure these first ones that started to use memes in the election, knew what effect it could produce.
Interesting note: I noticed there are people on the net who share my opinion about Hitlerys collapse on 9/11 and its connection to meme magick. She collapsed because she tried to fight against the flow (memes), not just because she is ill.
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RE: #PizzaGate - child sex ring scandal is going viral
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Quote:When I was a little girl in my native Belgium, I was put to work as a sex slave.
My mother sold me, and drove me wherever, whenever she got the call. The boss of this pedophile network was a Belgian cabinet minister. The clients were members of the elite. I recognized people from television. Their faces were familiar to the masses, while I was confronted with the dark side of their power addiction — the side no one would believe existed. I came across VIP's, European heads of state, and even a member of a royal family.
Around my sixth birthday, in 1969, I was taken to an orgy for the first time, in a castle. I was used for an S&M show, on a low stage, chained up with an iron dog collar, and made to eat human feces. Afterwards, left lying there like a broken object, I felt so humiliated, I had to do something to save my soul, or else — and this I knew for certain — I would have withered and died.
I raised myself up, and stood looking at the bizarre crowd of aristocrats dressed up as hippies, swaying to the music in various levels of sexual interaction, busily availing themselves of little pills and pre-rolled joints passed around on silver trays by sober waiters. I trembled in fear, but my body straightened and stilled itself like a bow in suspense before the shot, and I heard my voice as though it were not my own, chiding the adults, telling them that this was wrong – that I was going to tell on them, and that they would all go to jail.
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I was led away to a small room, and strapped onto a butcher's block. The man who tortured me was one of the defendants in the notorious Dutroux case, which, when it broke the news in 1996, was believed it would blow up the Belgian pedophile network. But instead, eight years later, only Marc Dutroux received a life sentence. I should have died that night in 1974 on that butcher's block, but my life was saved at the last minute.
While I had been tortured, the young man had been negotiating with the politician in charge of the network. They made a deal: he would work for the politician, extend his shady services in exchange for my life. This one good deed eventually cost him his own life. In this milieu, any shred of humanity is a deadly weakness.
My life was spared, and I was told to remain silent forever. It took me 40 years before I could speak up.
There's no way powerful politicians abuse defenseless children! It's not like they think they are above the law or don't respect God or anything
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I'm sorry, I do believe there are actual pedophiles involved in #Pizzagate, but that text above sounds as if it were written by a feminist diddling her clit over her production of the S&M literotica episode no. 8107.
A six year old knows politicians and royal families by names and faces, understands and remembers their complicated corruption deals, all the while being tortured and pondering the concept of "saving her soul"? I'd have an easier time believing in telekinesis.
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RE: #PizzaGate - child sex ring scandal is going viral
(12-23-2016 12:37 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote: I'm sorry, I do believe there are actual pedophiles involved in #Pizzagate, but that text above sounds as if it were written by a feminist diddling her clit over her production of the S&M literotica episode no. 8107.
A six year old knows politicians and royal families by names and faces, understands and remembers their complicated corruption deals, all the while being tortured and pondering the concept of "saving her soul"? I'd have an easier time believing in telekinesis.
The more helpless you feel during a traumatic experience, the more likely it is to have long-term psychological effects, e.g., PTSD.
Her six-year-old self may not have literally thought of "saving her soul" back then, but it makes a lot of sense that she'd latch onto any sense of agency she may have had when reliving the memories.
Also, the woman is over 50 years old. The court case she mentions was over 20 years after her abuse. She said that she recognized two of the men after the fact, not that she knew who they were at the time. Which, of course, is quite plausible.
Why would you not recognize the face of someone who tortured you on a butcher's block? I still remember the face of a kid who stole my Pokemon cards in middle school.
She could very well be lying, but nothing you pointed out seems to indicate as much.
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RE: #PizzaGate - child sex ring scandal is going viral
Crazy people exist and crazy people make up stories, though it is not that simple, since a strong predictor of scizophrenia is childhood abuse.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012...izophrenia
If you don't know someone with scizophrenia count yourself lucky, but that's also the reason people don't know what it is. Last decades has been focused on biological explanations with little luck. It is probably like trying to find the explanation for fear in an overproduction of adrenalin. In any case scizophrenia was thought to be the split self before modern biologically oriented psychiatry. That someone when exposed to trauma in addition to identity crisis, might split their self into one projecting to the world and one 'true' self, but as time grows without healing and merging these selfs (all people have different selves relating to our situations) like normal people do, then the split can turn into voices, hallucianations etc. Being subject to abuse is an obvious 'split' which people who have been abused frequently describe, that they leave their bodies or retract themselves from feelings, emotions, but if that abuse continues, if you have to endure it for years, then what?
You can't just say that because someone shows sign of mental illness that there might not be an element of truth underneath it.
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RE: #PizzaGate - child sex ring scandal is going viral
(12-23-2016 05:57 PM)Enigma Wrote: (12-23-2016 12:37 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote: I'm sorry, I do believe there are actual pedophiles involved in #Pizzagate, but that text above sounds as if it were written by a feminist diddling her clit over her production of the S&M literotica episode no. 8107.
A six year old knows politicians and royal families by names and faces, understands and remembers their complicated corruption deals, all the while being tortured and pondering the concept of "saving her soul"? I'd have an easier time believing in telekinesis.
The more helpless you feel during a traumatic experience, the more likely it is to have long-term psychological effects, e.g., PTSD.
Her six-year-old self may not have literally thought of "saving her soul" back then, but it makes a lot of sense that she'd latch onto any sense of agency she may have had when reliving the memories.
Also, the woman is over 50 years old. The court case she mentions was over 20 years after her abuse. She said that she recognized two of the men after the fact, not that she knew who they were at the time. Which, of course, is quite plausible.
Why would you not recognize the face of someone who tortured you on a butcher's block? I still remember the face of a kid who stole my Pokemon cards in middle school.
I'm not going to go through the whole "it's beyond reasonable doubt" thing again, but the short answer to your question is: because memory, and in particular, identification memory, is a hell of a lot less reliable than we think it is. I can guarantee you without having to look at all the cases of the Innocence Project and similar that there are legions of men who have been identified by the victim as the rapist who violated them over a period of minutes or hours, but who are then cleared on the simple fact that the accused's DNA does not match that recovered on the swab test.
This is not just courtroom trickery. It is basic brain function and basic psychology, well-understood since at least the 1870s or so, when the first appeal cases clearing accused wrongly identified started rolling through the English courts. Visual identification is that problematic that there is an entire speech that must be given to a jury if the only real evidence connecting the accused with a crime is a visual identification by the victim: in the UK or Australian jurisdictions it's called a Domican or Turnbull warning.
Particularly unreliable are identifications well after the fact: what often happens is that the impression the person had of the criminal is replaced by the face that the person thinks is the offender, and from that point on the memory is completely -- and irretrievably -- wrong. Recognition evidence depends on a hell of a lot of factors both at the time of viewing and the time of recognising the person; always take recognition a long time after the event with a serious grain of salt.
There's also this: memory does not get better with time. What does get better is our ability to creatively fill in the gaps of our memories.
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RE: #PizzaGate - child sex ring scandal is going viral
(12-26-2016 08:12 AM)Paracelsus Wrote: (12-23-2016 05:57 PM)Enigma Wrote: (12-23-2016 12:37 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote: I'm sorry, I do believe there are actual pedophiles involved in #Pizzagate, but that text above sounds as if it were written by a feminist diddling her clit over her production of the S&M literotica episode no. 8107.
A six year old knows politicians and royal families by names and faces, understands and remembers their complicated corruption deals, all the while being tortured and pondering the concept of "saving her soul"? I'd have an easier time believing in telekinesis.
The more helpless you feel during a traumatic experience, the more likely it is to have long-term psychological effects, e.g., PTSD.
Her six-year-old self may not have literally thought of "saving her soul" back then, but it makes a lot of sense that she'd latch onto any sense of agency she may have had when reliving the memories.
Also, the woman is over 50 years old. The court case she mentions was over 20 years after her abuse. She said that she recognized two of the men after the fact, not that she knew who they were at the time. Which, of course, is quite plausible.
Why would you not recognize the face of someone who tortured you on a butcher's block? I still remember the face of a kid who stole my Pokemon cards in middle school.
I'm not going to go through the whole "it's beyond reasonable doubt" thing again, but the short answer to your question is: because memory, and in particular, identification memory, is a hell of a lot less reliable than we think it is. I can guarantee you without having to look at all the cases of the Innocence Project and similar that there are legions of men who have been identified by the victim as the rapist who violated them over a period of minutes or hours, but who are then cleared on the simple fact that the accused's DNA does not match that recovered on the swab test.
This is not just courtroom trickery. It is basic brain function and basic psychology, well-understood since at least the 1870s or so, when the first appeal cases clearing accused wrongly identified started rolling through the English courts. Visual identification is that problematic that there is an entire speech that must be given to a jury if the only real evidence connecting the accused with a crime is a visual identification by the victim: in the UK or Australian jurisdictions it's called a Domican or Turnbull warning.
Particularly unreliable are identifications well after the fact: what often happens is that the impression the person had of the criminal is replaced by the face that the person thinks is the offender, and from that point on the memory is completely -- and irretrievably -- wrong. Recognition evidence depends on a hell of a lot of factors both at the time of viewing and the time of recognising the person; always take recognition a long time after the event with a serious grain of salt.
There's also this: memory does not get better with time. What does get better is our ability to creatively fill in the gaps of our memories.
You're taking my words out of context.
My question simply rebutted HCE's claim that a six year old would NOT be able to recognize their abusers. The fact of the matter is that, yes, they would be able to.
That does not mean the woman is telling the truth, it simply means that there's nothing in her story that would conclusively prove she is lying.
There's a big difference between poking holes in the testimony of an adult woman who may or may not have been raped once and a young child who may or may not have been ritually abused for a period of years.
As nomadbrah pointed out, the latter would likely be batshit insane. Meaning that their psychological problems do not necessarily disprove what they're saying.
In short, we can neither confirm nor deny what this woman is saying. That's all I was saying.
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RE: #PizzaGate - child sex ring scandal is going viral
Just google Dutroux. Dutroux wanted to create an underground city full of childrens. The prosecutor from the Dutroux affair started to cry in court under the amount of pressure he had to bear to push the case forward. He was eventually removed from the case due to a technicality leading to a 300000 people protest. The boss of Dutroux was a businessman. "I am the monster of Belgium" Nihoul says, and he expects never to come to court - as the information he claims he has about important people in Belgium would bring the Government and the entire state down.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/co...962263.stm
I think this is the biggest problem. If you go deep into this you might end up closing the government. Not long ago in Zerohedge there was a news of a city in Italy which shut down cause they arrested the entire city hall. But it´s still a small price to pay. If you consider it a price. A government shutdown would be a blessing.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-14...sted-fraud
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RE: #PizzaGate - child sex ring scandal is going viral
(12-14-2016 11:27 AM)weambulance Wrote: (12-14-2016 10:43 AM)Sp5 Wrote: (12-14-2016 10:27 AM)weambulance Wrote: You are derailing because you're deliberately saying provocative shit like accusing people of being SJWs, relying entirely on logical fallacies to "disprove" ideas, then refusing to engage direct challengers. You're trying to keep the focus on the drama you're stirring up instead of on the topic. In other words, you're deflecting us from the topic of the thread by putting the spotlight on yourself and your antics.
But that's fine. Keep displaying your epic capacity for reason and logic by constructing more strawmen than the local scarecrow crafter's guild in Halloween season. 
This kind of witchhunt comes from SJW and feminist theory. In particular, the idea that the number of children sexually abused by men is huge. Among other things, this is one reason why guys in custody battles get nuked with abuse charges from their ex-wives.
So, there have been no pedophile rings uncovered in the last few years, huh. It's all just a witchhunt based on feminist theory.
Quote:You have adopted that thinking without knowing where it comes from. I am old enough to remember the history, reference my earlier posts.
I know history too. Not everything is fantasy, and you can feel free to point out where I have adopted any such feminist/SJW thinking. Good luck. Every post I've made in this thread was in response to your "arguments".
Quote:Do you have any facts to offer in support of the theory that Comet Pizza was a center for pedophilia? Do you have a theory about who and where the victims are, where they come from?
Oh look, a deflection and attempt to reframe the argument by giving me homework. That's what you lawyer types do when someone directly challenges what you say, but you can't disprove them directly. I'm saying you're making drama with logical fallacy-filled arguments in a deliberate attempt to derail the thread. I do not appreciate that tactic in this thread or any other. Whether I believe in the thread material is immaterial to that point.
This isn't a courtroom and we're not a bunch of dumbass jurors rendering a verdict. Nobody is building a case to bring to court. You seem to have forgotten that.
Funny how your skepticism of witchhunts was taking time off during the Stanford rape case a few months back, incidentally. "Open and shut case, boys!"
This thread has calmed down a lot. It's like "never mind."
The difference between Pizzagate and the Stanford rape case is obvious. In Pizzagate, there are no victims, not even a theory of where the victims might come from or where they might be now, despite weeks of wide publicity and identification of names and places.
In the Stanford rape case, there was (1) a victim who testified, (2) eyewitnesses who testified, (3) medical evidence of incapacitation through an extreme blood alcohol content, (4) medical testimony of the EMTs and physicians consistent with the testing, (5) the defendant's own incriminating statements. That is what you call "evidence sufficient to deliver a verdict of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt," not a "witchhunt."
There are still no victims, and no theory of who the victims are or where they are.
This is my last post on this thread, I am taking Phoenix's affirmation of abstention from political threads.
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(01-02-2017 06:11 AM)Sp5 Wrote: (12-14-2016 11:27 AM)weambulance Wrote: (12-14-2016 10:43 AM)Sp5 Wrote: (12-14-2016 10:27 AM)weambulance Wrote: You are derailing because you're deliberately saying provocative shit like accusing people of being SJWs, relying entirely on logical fallacies to "disprove" ideas, then refusing to engage direct challengers. You're trying to keep the focus on the drama you're stirring up instead of on the topic. In other words, you're deflecting us from the topic of the thread by putting the spotlight on yourself and your antics.
But that's fine. Keep displaying your epic capacity for reason and logic by constructing more strawmen than the local scarecrow crafter's guild in Halloween season. 
This kind of witchhunt comes from SJW and feminist theory. In particular, the idea that the number of children sexually abused by men is huge. Among other things, this is one reason why guys in custody battles get nuked with abuse charges from their ex-wives.
So, there have been no pedophile rings uncovered in the last few years, huh. It's all just a witchhunt based on feminist theory.
Quote:You have adopted that thinking without knowing where it comes from. I am old enough to remember the history, reference my earlier posts.
I know history too. Not everything is fantasy, and you can feel free to point out where I have adopted any such feminist/SJW thinking. Good luck. Every post I've made in this thread was in response to your "arguments".
Quote:Do you have any facts to offer in support of the theory that Comet Pizza was a center for pedophilia? Do you have a theory about who and where the victims are, where they come from?
Oh look, a deflection and attempt to reframe the argument by giving me homework. That's what you lawyer types do when someone directly challenges what you say, but you can't disprove them directly. I'm saying you're making drama with logical fallacy-filled arguments in a deliberate attempt to derail the thread. I do not appreciate that tactic in this thread or any other. Whether I believe in the thread material is immaterial to that point.
This isn't a courtroom and we're not a bunch of dumbass jurors rendering a verdict. Nobody is building a case to bring to court. You seem to have forgotten that.
Funny how your skepticism of witchhunts was taking time off during the Stanford rape case a few months back, incidentally. "Open and shut case, boys!"
This thread has calmed down a lot. It's like "never mind."
The difference between Pizzagate and the Stanford rape case is obvious. In Pizzagate, there are no victims, not even a theory of where the victims might come from or where they might be now, despite weeks of wide publicity and identification of names and places.
In the Stanford rape case, there was (1) a victim who testified, (2) eyewitnesses who testified, (3) medical evidence of incapacitation through an extreme blood alcohol content, (4) medical testimony of the EMTs and physicians consistent with the testing, (5) the defendant's own incriminating statements. That is what you call "evidence sufficient to deliver a verdict of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt," not a "witchhunt."
There are still no victims, and no theory of who the victims are or where they are.
This is my last post on this thread, I am taking Phoenix's affirmation of abstention from political threads.
Not so fast. Several of us here have law enforcement experience.
Victims of alleged rings like this are rented out by parents, guardians etc. The ring can be hard to crack. That is why law enforcement does sting operations. Almost all the pedos in this part of the country are busted by stings and then one pedo might turn in another. What we see here is an apparent UNWILLINGNESS of law enforcement to investigate. That is really bizarre.
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more evidence of pizza code for pedo?
Saw this article at InstaPundit today.
https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/01/03...epage=true
Turns out Lou Pearlman, who founded the Backstreet Boys and NSYNC boy bands, died this year.
He was accused by some of the boy band members he worked with of being a pedophile (he went to prison for a ponzi scheme).
Why have a pizza in a picture that's celebrating a gold selling record?
I would never have even noticed the pizza before all of this.
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(01-04-2017 03:01 AM)etwsake Wrote: (01-03-2017 10:34 PM)beta_plus Wrote: Why have a pizza in a picture that's celebrating a gold selling record?
I would never have even noticed the pizza before all of this.
Maybe cause he was a giant gross fat fuck and the only thing he liked better than boinking twinks was eating a few XL pizzas afterward?
I'm more perplexed about the spririt cooker lady admitting she had 3 abortions in a matter of fact offhand way.
THREE abortions? THREE? Jesus...you'd think after the first or second, you might start to be a little more careful. By all accounts, abortions are an unpleasant thing to experience. Three seems quite excessive, no?
Some of them use abortion as birth control. They get a "high" from the pregnancy and the drama that surrounds it and the abortion. There are some evil bitches out there. I dated one that fit the profile I just described. Canada has no abortion prohibition whatsoever and the abortion king (((Morgentaler))) opened a ton of clinics here to profit off of this lack of morality. The profile I just described occurs often here.
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