Post: #401

(12-13-2016 10:13 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 10:03 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Yes it is really interesting how everything Mr. Alefantis and the Podesta brothers does have a thin veneer of plausible deniability.

Let's recap these completely unrelated co-incidences which there is plausible deniability for:

Podesta's 'weird' choice in art including a full scale modelled after the disfigured corpse of a homosexual prostitute killed by a serial killer, his paintings by a serbian artist showing pre-teen girls half naked and hands tied behind their backs in what looks like an industrial bathroom. How about Podesta's art choice of naked teen boys in his bedroom. Guests are "shocked" reports the Washington Post with a smirk.

How about the co-incidence that Alefantis chooses an artist who usually draws clear images of child abuse to decorate his bathrooms in a pizza place.

Just another weird and edgy thing to do, like taping children to a table and taking their picture. Or repeatedly making references to babies and money and posting it.

Edgy, weird, avant garde even.

Oh look at Mr. Podesta, so avantgarde isn't he Maude, such a nice guy, too bad him and his wife couldn't conceive.

Oh look at Mr. Alefantis, such a fun guy, such an edgy taste in art, who are we to judge his pre-occupation with children, let Uncle Alefantis hug and kiss you dear.

Being creepy is not a crime - there must be a victim for a prosecution to happen. We need something more to blow the lid off this.

What do you mean by this?

This gets more and more absurd, is it some kind of instinct to preserve the existing ordr at all costs, please help me understand it, because I know you guys are good people, but this knee jerk defense is weird. Is it that you have some irrational dislike for "conspiracy theorists"? My guess is most detractors here work in fields and jobs with authority, lawyer, public sector, insurance, finance. You see "conspiracy theorism" as losers who challenge your status quo.

I digress, they are not being "weird", they have art on their walls from artists who paint gruesome pictures of child abuse, here they are:

http://washingtonlife.com/2015/06/05/ins...e-viewing/

Quote:Podesta has turned his Kalorama home into a shrine to contemporary art, ranging from relatively under-the-radar artists such as Serbian painter Biljana Djurdjevic

http://www.biljanadjurdjevic.com/LivingInOblivion.html

Come on Rawgod and Sp5 click the link of Podesta's favorite painter:







Weird?

You know this. People know what it is when they see it, they've only trained you not trust your eyes.

Post: #402

(12-13-2016 05:44 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 05:31 PM)Zep Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 10:35 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Where is the correlation of dead/missing kids or others to the Pizza shop?

All the speculation sounds like the "Satanic Ritual Abuse" prosecutions from the 1980s.

I knew a girl who was satanically ritual abused from those times. The shit she told me would make you vomit. This was pre-internet, how would a twenty year old girl know of such sickening and vile shit?? the answer is, she went through it. When I saw the following interview I thought "yup, that's what the girl told me, nasty shit like this".

Thomas Hamilton, Dunblane. 150 years before the files will be made public. Gun control. Port Arthur. It goes on. So much research done, so little time to disseminate it.

The satanic shit is just a cover, it isn't really satanic, except it is, if you have a concept of god and goodness. TravelerKai understands this.

But for the rest of the heathens it is just a little coat tail they ride on. Oh become powerful by ... ...

My mind is blocked. By dancing to the devil's tune. By believing the devil exists, by selling your soul to the devil. It all starts out as a joke or a leverage but pretty soon, it leads to where real devils lie.

You can control people by undescribable acts of horror. The mind dissasocciates and cognitive dissonance goes wild. If you are there at the start to hold the reigns to all of that, then you can control people, well, especially young children. I mean, who couldn't break a young child's mind in to a thousand pieces, and put it back together again in what ever image someone could imagine. That is satanism. Nothing more nothing less.

The devil walks amongst us, and you don't even need to be religious to see that, just not blind. Unfortunately...

I'm veering off and am going to go back on my self imposed break again, fellas.

I wish you all the best, and hope to see you soon, with a bit more sense...

Damn Rigsby I felt your pain by just reading this. You're one of the world's Bill Cooper, fighting the good fight that so few even know that's going on! Stay strong my friend!

Post: #403

(12-13-2016 10:03 PM)weambulance Wrote:  That's a bold position to take. Do you really think people badly want this to be true? I don't want it to be true. I would much rather live in a world where such evil doesn't exist.

That doesn't mean I'm going to intentionally ignore what I see.

I don't know if people consciously want it to be real. I know I don't; I would imagine that most people don't want it to be real on a conscious level. Then again, most cognitive biases don't operate on a conscious level.

On the other hand, think about how well it works with the alt-right narrative. The Clintons are evil, morally debased, corrupt people, in bed with the worst of the worst. Washington is full of immoral people who want nothing more than to further an elite agenda. Children are often considered completely innocent. It seems awfully convenient that the evil Clintons and Washington elites are behind a horrible attack on innocent children, now doesn't it?

There's definitely cause for significant skepticism. I don't see the emails as providing the "smoking gun" that some here seem to think they do.

Post: #404

This is an example of a fallacy:

Post: #405

nomadbrah: yes of course these are sick people. However, if a creepy-looking guy has a windowless white van and likes to park outside the school and look at the kids you can't just arrest him. It might even be pushing the strict bounds of the law to surveil and investigate him. We can only hope that people in the right places are looking seriously at Podesta and Alefantis. But we have no smoking gun that actual crime has occurred.

Post: #406

(12-13-2016 10:21 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  To me this exactly like the narrative about the Russians influencing the election, that people are actually falling for. Where's the evidence?

The evidence seems to be a series of cryptic emails that can be interpreted in multiple ways and a handful of internet photographs that are equally cryptic.

If there were direct evidence, I'd be far more willing to acknowledge that something happened. At this time, though, there isn't any.

Post: #407

There might not be any vicitims coming to the surface anytime soon but this is a window into the gay mafia. There are alot of baller gays into some freaky shit. Remember that guy that killed Versaci and then killed himself? Jeez that was a long time ago.

Post: #408

(12-13-2016 10:22 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Is it that you have some irrational dislike for "conspiracy theorists"?

I have a rational dislike for conspiracy theorists, because that's what being rational is.

Post: #409

(12-13-2016 10:31 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  This is an example of a fallacy:

Why is this a mistaken belief, one based on unsound argument?

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Post: #410

Jesus Christ at some of you looking for smoking gun evidence of a secret child sex ring involving some of the top elites in Washington DC just from some Googling by a bunch of internet autists.

You guys wouldn't think something is fishy until you see a child getting gangraped infront of you.

The point here is there is so much circumstantial evidence that this warrants proper investigation - financial records, surveillance, internet history, phone call records, the lot.

I've yet to see someone come up with plausible explanations for half the stuff I've mentioned on the previous page. Your minds are refusing to believe the simplest explanation for all these "weird coincidences".

Why would any reasonable man choose this as their profile pic? (h/t Chevy Woonsocket).

Post: #411

^Smoking Gun Evidence? Personally I'll just settle for regular ole evidence...Haven't seen any yet, folks might as well be saying the earth is flat.

Post: #412

^^^ lol

I've seen plenty of evidence.

Post: #413

(12-13-2016 10:55 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  ^Smoking Gun Evidence? Personally I'll just settle for regular ole evidence...Haven't seen any yet, folks might as well be saying the earth is flat.

well, lets put it this way, would you send your kid to 'comet ping pong pizza summer camp'? Even if it was free?

How about Jimmy Saville's music retreat for kid's any year from 1975 to 2010? There was no public evidence then either.

How about Jared Fogle's secret 6 inch sub camp for kids?

Post: #414

(12-13-2016 10:44 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 10:31 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  This is an example of a fallacy:

Why is this a mistaken belief, one based on unsound argument?

G

Because it's made up bullshit. Some Guy on the internet, or as Trump would say, a 400 pound guy in his basement posted it. "Walnut" means a "person of colour" (British spelling noted) lol.

Ya liking some Greek statue is evidence you're a pedo, ok.

For most of us, commenting here is an idle pastime, but this shit has real consequences, a guy showed up with guns at this place Comet Pizza. A small business paying taxes and employing people is getting hounded out of business, because nobody can apply Occam's Razor to the facts.

Alefantis is getting interviewed by Megyn Kelly, trying to save his pizza shop.

Post: #415

Why is Alefantis, the gay lover of David Brock, who owns a pizza restaurant, the 49th most powerful person in D.C.?

Their is 100 Senators for crying out loud.

SP5 why the fuck do you care if a small business owner goes out of business?


Obama has caused thousands of small businesses to go out of business and destroyed entire freaking industry's with his policies like the coal industry.

I don't see you posting about that.

Nope. The only small business you care about is of the guy whose the 49th most powerful person in the world who likes to post creepy pictures of children.

That's what stirs your defense of small business...

Ok. I'm sure you'll fire back with some inane comment about how a bunch of internet dwellers posting publicly available evidence about a bunch of creepy Washington D.C. gay powerbrokers (the most optimistic assessment) who are backed up by the entire Western media is literally the worst thing evah, meanwhile, Norwegian and Canadian police are busting pedo rings, the FBI is saying Pedo activity is at it's highest ever, and Australian 60 minutes is running specials on Elite Pedo Rings in Britain.

But no, it doesn't happen here, and the people posting about it are ruining the lives of simple pizza restauranteurs just trying to make it in a mean world!

(except they happen to be simple small businessman while at the same time more powerful than most U.S. Senators?)

Get the fuck off your high horse.

Post: #416

What evidence would it take for some people to believe it?
If there was video would you say it was doctored?

I don't think these DC Pizza places are the center of it, rather a place that those in the know joke with each other about it.

Evil can't help but brag. Many murders are solved by the dumb murderer telling someone else. Smart evil brags the same, but they use symbolism and get a kick out of using it in plain sight of people who can't see it.

It's like flipping the bird to a cop from behind your drivers door. The cop can't see it but your passenger can.

Post: #417

(12-13-2016 10:55 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  ^Smoking Gun Evidence? Personally I'll just settle for regular ole evidence...Haven't seen any yet, folks might as well be saying the earth is flat.

It wouldn't surprise me if there were something untoward, not at all.

That being said, none of the evidence is remotely convincing. There are some emails that advocates have creatively interpreted and some photos that require some strained connections.

I agree with you, where is the evidence? This would have to be a huge undertaking; it's tough enough getting 1 person to stay quiet, what about 25+?

Post: #418

(12-14-2016 12:29 AM)Sooth Wrote:  What evidence would it take for some people to believe it?
If there was video would you say it was doctored?

If you could show unambiguous photographs or video, then I'd believe. Most of the so-called "evidence" can be better explained outside of the pedophilia matrix. The emails, probably the best evidence, are inconclusive. The artwork, which is a less persuasive piece of evidence, is equally inconclusive. The alleged connections between the perpetrators' pictures and symbols of pedophilia are unpersuasive.

Post: #419

There won't be smoking gun evidence that proves anything is going to happen from pizzagate at this moment. Sp5 is right bout his arguement, there is nothing concrete to link Podestas, Clinton, or Alefantis to anything to a pedo ring.

Pizzagate bring up a funny thing about humans, we have innate ability to see and understand patterns. Some of these patterns are flights of fancy. Other set of patterns lead to concrete solutions or ideas. At this moment to general population, pizzagate is flight of fancy. For those paying attention to world as many red pillers here, we get uneasy feeling that more to this. There are numerous case of pedo rings popping up in recent years through the world. We know everything that the Clinton Foundation touches is for the benefit of the Clintons regardless of the morality. The actions from the emails are similar things discuss in "Is Hollywood run like a Satanic cult?". I pray that this is just bullshit, but my intuition is telling me its not.

All I can say is the moment Trump official become President of United States, watch what the FBI does next. All the links that members of pizzagate are finding is head start that agents will see to get the concrete evidence.

Post: #420

(12-13-2016 11:38 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  well, lets put it this way, would you send your kid to 'comet ping pong pizza summer camp'? Even if it was free?

How about Jimmy Saville's music retreat for kid's any year from 1975 to 2010? There was no public evidence then either.

How about Jared Fogle's secret 6 inch sub camp for kids?

To answer your questions:

1. No, I wouldn't. That's partly because I'd rather have my children bettering themselves intellectually or physically during the summer. The other part is that I really don't want my children unsupervised near gay men, who are statistically more likely to molest them.

2. Absolutely not, but it's not like there weren't some actual accusations during that time either. Saville was (according to Wikipedia, at least) interviewed by authorities. Plus, I tend to be pretty skeptical of the "artsy" types more generally...

3. Jared Fogle was a fat loser who managed to flip his weight loss into a pitchman job. He has nothing of value.

Your questions are all legitimate, but there's an issue of hindsight. Maybe at the time my answers would've been different. I don't know one way or the other.

Post: #421

IF actual, concrete evidence is found during a FBI investigation, I will put in my signature that I was wrong about "Pizzagate."

That's a promise.

Post: #422

(12-14-2016 12:08 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  Why is Alefantis, the gay lover of David Brock, who owns a pizza restaurant, the 49th most powerful person in D.C.?

Their is 100 Senators for crying out loud.

And not one member of the Joint Chiefs or most of the Cabinet. WTF, now-defeated Rep. Eric Cantor was #1. Seems legit.

Why did they put Alefantis in a pure clickbait story? Because that was gay GQ and they had to put as many gay guys in as they could. Are you suggesting GQ knows he's running a child sex ring rather than running popular restaurants?

This is DC. Loaded down with cops, federal agents, and spies from 100+ countries. Ya, that's the place to put a pedo ring.

(12-14-2016 12:08 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  SP5 why the fuck do you care if a small business owner goes out of business?

Because they are paying my pension from the reserves. Because fair is fair. You don't bring people down without evidence.

(12-14-2016 12:08 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  Obama has caused thousands of small businesses to go out of business and destroyed entire freaking industry's with his policies like the coal industry.

I don't see you posting about that.

Nope. The only small business you care about is of the guy whose the 49th most powerful person in the world who likes to post creepy pictures of children.

That's what stirs your defense of small business...

Ok. I'm sure you'll fire back with some inane comment about how a bunch of internet dwellers posting publicly available evidence about a bunch of creepy Washington D.C. gay powerbrokers (the most optimistic assessment) who are backed up by the entire Western media is literally the worst thing evah, meanwhile, Norwegian and Canadian police are busting pedo rings, the FBI is saying Pedo activity is at it's highest ever, and Australian 60 minutes is running specials on Elite Pedo Rings in Britain.

But no, it doesn't happen here, and the people posting about it are ruining the lives of simple pizza restauranteurs just trying to make it in a mean world!

(except they happen to be simple small businessman while at the same time more powerful than most U.S. Senators?)

Get the fuck off your high horse.

If you're going to ride, ride the high horse. Although I can't think of a higher horse than accusing a bunch of people with child sexual abuse without evidence of abused victims.

Where are the victims? Reddit and this thread have posted names and pictures of kids, are they dead? Where are their parents supporting this story? Where is the stream of victims needed to sustain this pedo ring coming from? Where is the link between even one missing kid and this pizza shop?

This shit is the same as the Satanic Ritual Abuse hysteria, comes from the same feminist ideology, but you're internalized it so much you don't recognize it.

Quote:Throughout the American 1980s and beyond, the interrogation of small children for their memories of recent sexual abuse played a role in many a criminal case against accused molesters who had not, in fact, done anything wrong. The social and financial costs have been enormous. To take only the most famous example, staff members of the McMartin Preschool in Manhattan Beach, California, who were accused of every imaginable horror associated with devil worship, had to endure the longest (almost seven years) and most expensive ($15 million) trial in American history before the case collapsed from the weight of its accumulated absurdities. . . .

The momentum comes rather from a combination of broad popular belief and a relatively narrow but intense crusading fervor.

Since 1988, the most successful communicators of both the belief and the fervor have been Ellen Bass and Laura Davis, coauthors of the “recovery manual” The Courage to Heal. A teacher of creative writing and her student, Bass and Davis were radical feminists who lacked any background in psychology. Their knowledge base consisted of stories they had heard from women who clearly remembered that they had been sexually abused in childhood but who had been rebuffed by uncaring therapists and family members. Noting the high numbers of such cases reported within women’s collectives, and further noting that other women in such groups eventually produced incest “memories” of their own, Bass and Davis soon decided that repressed abuse must be even more pervasive than remembered abuse.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1994/12/...d-part-ii/

Post: #423

(12-13-2016 11:52 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  Because it's made up bullshit. Some Guy on the internet, or as Trump would say, a 400 pound guy in his basement posted it. "Walnut" means a "person of colour" (British spelling noted) lol.

Ya liking some Greek statue is evidence you're a pedo, ok.

For most of us, commenting here is an idle pastime, but this shit has real consequences, a guy showed up with guns at this place Comet Pizza. A small business paying taxes and employing people is getting hounded out of business, because nobody can apply Occam's Razor to the facts.

Alefantis is getting interviewed by Megyn Kelly, trying to save his pizza shop.

Agree with you on the guy with the gun, but how are your arguments in the least bit persuasive otherwise?

Top 50 most powerful in DC (according to GQ) with documented ties to the Podesta brothers and other very wealthy and very powerful people, yet you're trying to paint him as a poor small business owner trying to save his pizza shop (as if Megyn Kelly interviewing him means anything about his credibility after hers was hammered over and over again this election season).

Maybe he is, but where is your evidence that he's getting hounded out of business? It's being reported that customers have rallied around Comet Ping Pong:

Quote:The AP reports that residents of Washington, D.C., and surrounding areas are coming out in droves to support Comet Ping Pong, a pizza restaurant in the nation's capital featured in fake news stories about a child sex trafficking ring run by Hillary Clinton.

Our own respected forum member went to Comet for a big event 4 days ago. James Alefantis pictured:



Please provide evidence that Comet Ping Pong is getting "hounded out of business" and a lot more of the forum would be less skeptical of your certainty in this situation. Myself I'm skeptical of the entirety of the pizzagate claims as well as your strawman "400 lb guy in his basement" claims.

Post: #424

GQ is a magazine run by gays, for gays. Of course they're going to put the gay pizza shop guy on their "50 most powerful list."

Also making notable appearances: Stephen Strasburg and Ezra Klein.

Post: #425

So Sp5,

Do you also dismiss Jimmy Saville, the Norwegian, and Canadien busts as conspiracy theory?

Or the Rotherham Ring?

The reason I'm so skeptical about this being "fake news" is it's the same shit the media tried to pull with Rotherham, and that turned out to be WORSE.

When I see WashPo and the NYT start running interference, I think "Wow, there's something to this".

Those who are repeating NYT talking points....have you not been alive the past ten years?

The NYT and WashPo are the two most lying papers on the planet.

My spidey senses tell me next spring is going to bring a big surprise to the pizzagate deniers on here.