Post: #376

Supply and demand. There wouldn't be so much kiddy porn if so many paedos didn't want it. I used to think it was just the occasional nonce, but this is an industry to supply a huge number of sick and evil people.

They're fucking everywhere. Drain the swamp already.

Post: #377

(12-13-2016 07:03 AM)Bushido Wrote:  ^^ Take the UK as an example here.

Nobody came forward about Jimmy Saville until he was dead, such was the fear surrounding his paedo ring. Only now is the full scale of it beginning to be understood. Many prominent politicians and celebs are implicated.

The British police also helped cover up evidence of Pakistani men grooming teen girls for decades in Rotherham.

I'm just giving these examples because people say this stuff is too farfetched but it really isn't. Paedos are actually quite common in various elites worldwide.

There have been a lot of people falsely accused, too. McMartin Preschool, Fells Acres Day Care, Little Rascals Day Care, about 40 people accused in Wenatchee, Wisconsin and more back in the 80s.

So far, all I see is that the Podestas have creepy taste in art.

It would be a shame if some honest small businesses like these Pizza guys get hounded out of business or worse because of a witchhunt.

And, in the end, isn't this a bit like the "Campus rape epidemic," "rape culture," etc.?

Post: #378

(12-13-2016 06:25 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  How many victims have come forward? How many missing kids could be victims?

I know a lot of cops, they are not looking the other way on child sexual abuse.

Dead people can't come forward.

Sad but true. You gotta remember that this is likely an expensive hobby, and these power players will do anything to make sure this stuff doesn't one day get back to them.

Either these same pedos will pay extra above the torture delivered to finish them off or the handlers will do it themselves once they've served their use.

Post: #379

(12-13-2016 09:09 AM)Valentine Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 06:25 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  How many victims have come forward? How many missing kids could be victims?

I know a lot of cops, they are not looking the other way on child sexual abuse.

Dead people can't come forward.

Sad but true. You gotta remember that this is likely an expensive hobby, and these power players will do anything to make sure this stuff doesn't one day get back to them.

Either these same pedos will pay extra above the torture delivered to finish them off or the handlers will do it themselves once they've served their use.

Where is the correlation of dead/missing kids or others to the Pizza shop?

All the speculation sounds like the "Satanic Ritual Abuse" prosecutions from the 1980s.

Post: #380

Try reading even just the first post of this thread again and give plausible explanations for why it doesn't mean there's a link between child abuse and James Alefantis.

Post: #381

(12-13-2016 10:48 AM)Valentine Wrote:  Try reading even just the first post of this thread again and give plausible explanations for why it doesn't mean there's a link between child abuse and James Alefantis.

Who said "pizza" means a girl and "hotdog" means a boy, etc. Where's the source of that? Some random guy on the internet? Oh, that proves it!

Alefantis posted a few weird Instagram pictures, just an asshole trying to be "edgy." We all know child sexual abusers send public signals on Instagram. OMG, where are the kids in the pictures???

Where are the victims? Even U VA/Rolling Stone had "Jackie" as a "victim."

Hey, I have some investments I can sell you people . . . . Congolese mining bonds, guaranteed return of 200% a year.

From one site, part of the "proof"

Post: #382

(12-13-2016 10:48 AM)Valentine Wrote:  Try reading even just the first post of this thread again and give plausible explanations for why it doesn't mean there's a link between child abuse and James Alefantis.

From the Voat sticky on the Pizzagate page:

Quote:Comet Ping Pong in DC is not surprisingly is found in the Podesta emails. It is a restaurant that several high officials are tied with including HillaryJPG, along with a couple other restaurants nearby with possible connections and galleries where Hillary is seenPNG and that billionaire George Soros along with others donated over $20k to..

Link: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1467064

Post: #383

Sp5, if you only think Alefantis pictures and Podesta's art is 'weird' then I have some news for you.

You're full of something basically.

Podesta has art from a Serbian artist depicting obvious child abuse in other of her work, Alefantis has art by an American artist depicting child abuse in other of her work.

This kind of explaining away obvious degeneracy is why no one believes victims when they come forward. Saville was also just a weird guy. Hidden in plain sight.

Post: #384

(12-13-2016 11:06 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Who said "pizza" means a girl and "hotdog" means a boy, etc. Where's the source of that? Some random guy on the internet? Oh, that proves it!

These terms have been known on the internet since forever.

Cheese pizza's true meaning has been known since at least 2010 on Urban Dictionary. I've also seen screenshots of these codewords being taken directly from pedo forums but have since been scrubbed from Reddit and 4chan (like much of the investigation files).

Quote:Where are the victims? Even U VA/Rolling Stone had "Jackie" as a "victim."

1) Dead
2) Or haven't come forward yet, like much of the victims of other pedos e.g. Saville


Interesting that you haven't addressed even half of the points in the opening post.

It seems every few pages a new person joins and expresses their skepticism.

Sp5, if you or anyone else can present reasonable explanations for all of this evidence then I'll take your alternate theory into consideration:

- Why would any business owner post pictures like this on their Instagram? There's no alternate metaphor for these pictures other than suggesting child abuse and murder.
- Why has he got such powerful connections? Why is he listed in the top 50 most powerful people in DC with no further explanation other than "pizzeria owner"?
- Why is Soros funding this lowly pizzeria? We know that everything this guy touches is some nefarious plan, it makes no sense for this to be any sort of legitimate investment as it's far outside his normal field of expertise.
- Why do all the businesses surrounding Comet have pedo logos as noted by the FBI? Why were these logos later removed?
- Why has the Old Media been so protective of James Alefantis?
- Why did the "fake news" propaganda talking point begin just when PizzaGate started to gain traction?
- Why is his name James Alefantis i.e. J'aime les enfants (I Love Kids)?



Please, if you have plausible explanations for all the above then I'll gladly listen as it would certainly relieve my anger at the world that enables this behaviour.

Post: #385

Quote:- Why is his name James Alefantis i.e. J'aime les enfants (I Love Kids)?

His mom's maiden name is Alefantis. This one is just a coincidence. The rest... not so much. Especially what I posted on page 12.

Post: #386

And explain these pictures. There's honestly no other theme he's trying to wolf-whistle here other than "child sex ring".

If I wanted to advertise to sickos but still maintain plausible deniability this is exactly the type of shit I would promote:













Honestly, how much more evidence do you need to warrant an investigation?

Post: #387

(12-13-2016 10:35 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 09:09 AM)Valentine Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 06:25 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  How many victims have come forward? How many missing kids could be victims?

I know a lot of cops, they are not looking the other way on child sexual abuse.

Dead people can't come forward.

Sad but true. You gotta remember that this is likely an expensive hobby, and these power players will do anything to make sure this stuff doesn't one day get back to them.

Either these same pedos will pay extra above the torture delivered to finish them off or the handlers will do it themselves once they've served their use.

Where is the correlation of dead/missing kids or others to the Pizza shop?

All the speculation sounds like the "Satanic Ritual Abuse" prosecutions from the 1980s.

Like the Franklin coverup? It was all made up, right? 1000 children molested by Saville, someone would have spoken, the BBC would have covered it, especially given that many of those rapes occurred right on their premises...

The McMartin school case, the children, some of whom came home with bleeding anuses, all made up too. No tunnels, just figments of those children's imagination, right?

http://www.whale.to/b/stickel.html

http://educate-yourself.org/tg/mcmartinp...1996.shtml

Post: #388

(12-13-2016 01:05 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  snip
You're full of something basically.
snip

Folks are getting a bit heated, understandably given the topic, but there is no need for personal attacks.

Sp5, can you review the standards of evidence as they apply here? I think you are saying there is no "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" for criminal activity, and many in the discussion are saying there is a "preponderance of evidence" (of what though, since simple degeneracy is not a crime) as would be sufficient for a civil case, but perhaps not even that.

My main question is, what does the FBI need before a criminal investigation is begun in a case like this?

Post: #389

Guys, everyone is in on it. There are definitely tunnels here that shuttle THOUSANDS of kids a day underneath it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'Enfant_Plaza

I mean, they designed the ENTIRE CITY around it back in 1791!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Enfant_Plan

So now with that background, it is important to note that the L'Enfant plan for old city ended at what is now Florida Avenue and 18th St, NW.

Right where the fellow in the middle of this pic owns a French bistro and gay bar, named L'enfant Cafe -- since it is at a historical intersection tied to the end of the Old City. His is wearing a shirt declaring his love for the bar he owns:



http://www.lenfantcafe.com/


Now, guess what ....they hold a risque, french-themed brunch at that French cafe (until recently -- had to move to a larger location because it is so popular) titled after a french term for a ragging party, "La Boum." They have expanded that to include evening parties, thus the La Boom Boom Room:


http://laboumbrunch.com/

Apparently, these are risque and do involve nudity and fetish play/wear. Thus, why one would not be allowed to take photos.

http://laboumbrunch.com/laboumboumroom/

Post: #390

(12-13-2016 04:24 PM)Engineer Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 01:05 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  snip
You're full of something basically.
snip

Folks are getting a bit heated, understandably given the topic, but there is no need for personal attacks.

I tried to edit it with no luck too late.

I retract that Sp5, uncalled for.

Post: #391

(12-13-2016 04:48 PM)trian1 Wrote:  Guys, everyone is in on it. There are definitely tunnels here that shuttle THOUSANDS of kids a day underneath it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'Enfant_Plaza

I mean, they designed the ENTIRE CITY around it back in 1791!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Enfant_Plan

So now with that background, it is important to note that the L'Enfant plan for old city ended at what is now Florida Avenue and 18th St, NW.

Right where the fellow in the middle of this pic owns a French bistro and gay bar, named L'enfant Cafe -- since it is at a historical intersection tied to the end of the Old City. His is wearing a shirt declaring his love for the bar he owns:



http://www.lenfantcafe.com/


Now, guess what ....they hold a risque, french-themed brunch at that French cafe (until recently -- had to move to a larger location because it is so popular) titled after a french term for a ragging party, "La Boum." They have expanded that to include evening parties, thus the La Boom Boom Room:


http://laboumbrunch.com/

Apparently, these are risque and do involve nudity and fetish play/wear. Thus, why one would not be allowed to take photos.

http://laboumbrunch.com/laboumboumroom/

That kind of passive aggressive bullshit does not belong on a thread like this.

Already this thread is hanging on by a hair trigger. No need for that.

Post: #392

(12-13-2016 10:35 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Where is the correlation of dead/missing kids or others to the Pizza shop?

All the speculation sounds like the "Satanic Ritual Abuse" prosecutions from the 1980s.

I knew a girl who was satanically ritual abused from those times. The shit she told me would make you vomit. This was pre-internet, how would a twenty year old girl know of such sickening and vile shit?? the answer is, she went through it. When I saw the following interview I thought "yup, that's what the girl told me, nasty shit like this".

Post: #393

(12-13-2016 09:05 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  And, in the end, isn't this a bit like the "Campus rape epidemic," "rape culture," etc.?

Excuse me for replying. I am taking a break from the forum due to temporary insanity. I'm going to make an exception for this, and I hope I will be excused.

This is not like "Campus rape epidemic," "rape culture," etc.? etc. etc.

I appreciate you are maybe playing devil's advocate. Or perhaps you are just a very thorough individual that likes to see hard proof. I understand both stances. This is not conjecture, it is fact. Please see my earlier referenced sources from the United Nations reports. This is going on. It is accepted to be going on. But nobody knows who is doing anything and no on is to blame, your honour!

There is massive, never before seen, industrial level kidnapping of not just young women to become whores, but young children to fuel sex slavery and blackmail - the real nasty stuff. It's worldwide, international and all documented extremely thoroughly by the United Nations - they just (thumb in mouth) don't happen to know who is doing it.

Campus rape culture and rape epidemic is a proven fraud. Never before in the history of humanity have women and children been safer. That's right. Up to a century or two ago it was common for the more vulnerable to be raped and bondaged - it was part of life. These days you can't even get a fucking job feeding the homeless without proving you are not a fucking degenerate pedophile and having your whole internet history poured over etc. etc.

Things have changed. For the better in many ways, but for the worse in some other ways. What we have now is not the indiscriminate abuse of those who are vulnerable by those who just can, but the indiscriminate abuse of those who are vulnerable by those who are in power and in a very good position to get away with it. Podesta. Top level politicians. Movers and shakers. Hollywood Producers. Etc. etc.

Yes, there are less people being abused as a whole on our planet as opposed to a hundred years ago even. But it still goes on and it is just more focused. As the wide eye of the camera and the internet opens up life for all of us to see, it has to be shut down as well, so that we can not see. Gaslighting, psyops, all fair game in this war.

Campus (rape) culture is manufactured. This epidemic is hidden. I wish my reasoning and my arguments were not so disjointed and that I had some semblance of mind to explain better. Feel free to rip my argument apart.

(12-13-2016 09:05 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Where is the correlation of dead/missing kids or others to the Pizza shop?

All the speculation sounds like the "Satanic Ritual Abuse" prosecutions from the 1980s.

You are conflating correlation with regard to pizzagate. Forget about it. No one cares about it. It's been said time and time again, there is probably not anything happening here and if it was then the protagonists are long gone. Pizzagate is a figure head. It came about in the maws of the dirty fight that was the election for the POTUS for 2016.

And as for Satanic Ritual Abuse, well, have you seen the Hampstead scandal recently here in the UK. Fucking outrageous. No one knows if it is true or not. I mean, it can't be true - half the schools in the area were implicated in making shoes out of children's skin, then again it was just kids making it up. Anyone can do that right? for fun? And no comebacks. They are fucking with our minds.

Take a step back. Then take two steps back. Then take a look again, and maybe take another step back. We are 'self-investigating' right? And that is what all good 'self-investigators' do.

I have no horse in this race. I actually despise peadophile hunters and would personally cut their bollocks off if I ever caught them. They are weak and impotent and don't have the guts to take on the big boys - the powers that be. I'm not interested in a couple of greasy skank council estate dwellers. And I don't believe in vigilantism. I believe in the rule of law.

But I support the work of /pol/ and their relentless effort to make some kind of sense of the code words used in the podesta emails. Not once has any explanation been given, because there is none. The whole country dodged a bullet on this one with that cunt hillary being kept from doing more damage to your already damaged and fragile country (still the greatest country on Earth though, I'll give you that).

I'm not sure I have made any sense at all.

Check out the "unodc human trafficking" results on google.

This is real. It is bigger than jimmy savile, bigger than rotherham, bigger than the franklin scandal, than Toulouse, than portugal, than what went on in the catholic church in ireland and beyond, than haute de la garrene, Jersey, stuart sivert, maddy mcCann. It's international, nation wide.

Young girls from EE offered better lives doing cleaning jobs, or if they are stupid doing modeling. But more than that, humanitarian organisations and NGO's directly facilitating the kidnap of young children from war and disaster zones.

One day, when I get my mind back, I will make a data report on all of this and all my collating of the facts of the last 10 years or more research I have done. But so far, you have a lot of very good information to go on in this thread.

SP5 - you are one of the good guys I know that. Sorry for my disjointed retort. I just ask that you maybe try to understand that the world is a big place and a lot of people out there do not have the humanity you have, and just coz you have not witnessed it with your own eyes does not mean that it does not exist.

Still might be a fiction, I will grant you that. But that is a lot of missing kids and a lot of missing young girls, young boys, and you know what? not so young missing mothers and sisters. All kinds get trafficked and whored out. With no comebacks. Practically zero clean up rate.

This is why it is so rife by those so vile. Easy pickings and protected by the sick fuck powers that be.

Fellow RVF'ers please forgive this very sub-par post of mine.

Post: #394

(12-13-2016 05:31 PM)Zep Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 10:35 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  Where is the correlation of dead/missing kids or others to the Pizza shop?

All the speculation sounds like the "Satanic Ritual Abuse" prosecutions from the 1980s.

I knew a girl who was satanically ritual abused from those times. The shit she told me would make you vomit. This was pre-internet, how would a twenty year old girl know of such sickening and vile shit?? the answer is, she went through it. When I saw the following interview I thought "yup, that's what the girl told me, nasty shit like this".

Thomas Hamilton, Dunblane. 150 years before the files will be made public. Gun control. Port Arthur. It goes on. So much research done, so little time to disseminate it.

The satanic shit is just a cover, it isn't really satanic, except it is, if you have a concept of god and goodness. TravelerKai understands this.

But for the rest of the heathens it is just a little coat tail they ride on. Oh become powerful by ... ...

My mind is blocked. By dancing to the devil's tune. By believing the devil exists, by selling your soul to the devil. It all starts out as a joke or a leverage but pretty soon, it leads to where real devils lie.

You can control people by undescribable acts of horror. The mind dissasocciates and cognitive dissonance goes wild. If you are there at the start to hold the reigns to all of that, then you can control people, well, especially young children. I mean, who couldn't break a young child's mind in to a thousand pieces, and put it back together again in what ever image someone could imagine. That is satanism. Nothing more nothing less.

The devil walks amongst us, and you don't even need to be religious to see that, just not blind. Unfortunately...

I'm veering off and am going to go back on my self imposed break again, fellas.

I wish you all the best, and hope to see you soon, with a bit more sense...

Post: #395

There's not even probable cause, because no evidence of a crime, no suspected victims.

Not even a theory of how one missing kid (the vast majority of missing kids are parental abductions or runaway teens) could have been a victim.

Just a list of words posted on the internet, "pizza = girl," and some other stuff with alternate explanation.

For example, it's not suspicious that a guy in Washington DC is wearing a t-shirt saying J'taime L'Enfant when Pierre L'Enfant designed Washington and there is a L'Enfant Plaza, Cafe, Hotel, etc. And they are at the L'Enfant Cafe. Seeing that and the word "pizza" as evidence of anything is

The idea that child sexual abuse and rape is widespread came from feminist theorists.

Quote:Sexual permissiveness has been the hallmark of the ’60s generation. Behavior once considered perverse — illegal in some states — has become normative, even celebrated. It is the Boy Scouts who are on the defensive now. And yet along with the new view of sexual self-expression as a right akin to freedom of speech — is there a single show on prime time that could have passed network self-censorship even in the 1970s? — there has been a largely unnoted flip side: panic that sexual abuse of children is endemic to this society. In the early 1970s radical feminists like psychiatrist Judith Herman began to argue that millions of women had experienced “incestuous abuse” at the hands of their fathers.

https://spectator.org/51492_great-escapes/

Quote:The study of trauma in sexual and domestic life becomes legitimate only in a context that challenges the subordination of women and children. Advances in the field occur only when they are supported by a political movement powerful enough to legitimate an alliance between investigators and patients and to counteract the ordinary social processes of silencing and denial.

The larger movement in question is, of course, women’s liberation, including what Herman calls “a collective feminist project of reinventing the basic concepts of normal development and abnormal psychology…”

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1994/11/...repressed/

Post: #396

My two cents on this:

There's no concrete evidence at all. The alleged evidence is a series of emails that are being seen through a particularly strange interpretative lens. Basically, as Scott Adams rather correctly showed, this is a great example of confirmation bias. We want something to be true so badly (e.g. that there's a pedophile scandal going on on Washington) that we damn the evidence to the contrary and find what we know is true.

That's the exact same issue that feminists run into the the "rape culture" arguments or college cucks use for the "1 in 5" figure.

To me, it seems just a little bit too convenient that all of this information happens to line up against people the alt-right finds distasteful: gays, Hillary Clinton, elites, Washington insiders, etc. Am I sure that there's nothing going on? No, absolutely not. However, if you're going to make claims like this one, that there's a child sex ring operating out of a pizza parlor, you have to find more convincing evidence than some emails that could be interpreted that way or five other ways.

Post: #397

I don't follow this thread closely, but I have to say so far all I've seen from the naysayers is logical fallacies and mockery. I'm not impressed.

Skepticism is healthy and good. Outright ignoring historical fact and using sneering ridicule as an "argument", however, seems either a pointless waste of time or deliberately obfuscatory. And it makes me wonder why people want to stop discussions they don't like, instead of just not participating in them.

Separately...

Quote:There's no concrete evidence at all. The alleged evidence is a series of emails that are being seen through a particularly strange interpretative lens. Basically, as Scott Adams rather correctly showed, this is a great example of confirmation bias. We want something to be true so badly (e.g. that there's a pedophile scandal going on on Washington) that we damn the evidence to the contrary and find what we know is true.

That's a bold position to take. Do you really think people badly want this to be true? I don't want it to be true. I would much rather live in a world where such evil doesn't exist.

That doesn't mean I'm going to intentionally ignore what I see.

Post: #398

Yes it is really interesting how everything Mr. Alefantis and the Podesta brothers does have a thin veneer of plausible deniability.

Let's recap these completely unrelated co-incidences which there is plausible deniability for:

Podesta's 'weird' choice in art including a full scale modelled after the disfigured corpse of a homosexual prostitute killed by a serial killer, his paintings by a serbian artist showing pre-teen girls half naked and hands tied behind their backs in what looks like an industrial bathroom. How about Podesta's art choice of naked teen boys in his bedroom. Guests are "shocked" reports the Washington Post with a smirk.

How about the co-incidence that Alefantis chooses an artist who usually draws clear images of child abuse to decorate his bathrooms in a pizza place.

Just another weird and edgy thing to do, like taping children to a table and taking their picture. Or repeatedly making references to babies and money and posting it.

Edgy, weird, avant garde even.

Oh look at Mr. Podesta, so avantgarde isn't he Maude, such a nice guy, too bad him and his wife couldn't conceive.

Oh look at Mr. Alefantis, such a fun guy, such an edgy taste in art, who are we to judge his pre-occupation with children, let Uncle Alefantis hug and kiss you dear.

Post: #399

(12-13-2016 10:03 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Yes it is really interesting how everything Mr. Alefantis and the Podesta brothers does have a thin veneer of plausible deniability.

Let's recap these completely unrelated co-incidences which there is plausible deniability for:

Podesta's 'weird' choice in art including a full scale modelled after the disfigured corpse of a homosexual prostitute killed by a serial killer, his paintings by a serbian artist showing pre-teen girls half naked and hands tied behind their backs in what looks like an industrial bathroom. How about Podesta's art choice of naked teen boys in his bedroom. Guests are "shocked" reports the Washington Post with a smirk.

How about the co-incidence that Alefantis chooses an artist who usually draws clear images of child abuse to decorate his bathrooms in a pizza place.

Just another weird and edgy thing to do, like taping children to a table and taking their picture. Or repeatedly making references to babies and money and posting it.

Edgy, weird, avant garde even.

Oh look at Mr. Podesta, so avantgarde isn't he Maude, such a nice guy, too bad him and his wife couldn't conceive.

Oh look at Mr. Alefantis, such a fun guy, such an edgy taste in art, who are we to judge his pre-occupation with children, let Uncle Alefantis hug and kiss you dear.

Being creepy is not a crime - there must be a victim for a prosecution to happen. We need something more to blow the lid off this.

Post: #400

(12-13-2016 09:38 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  My two cents on this:

There's no concrete evidence at all. The alleged evidence is a series of emails that are being seen through a particularly strange interpretative lens. Basically, as Scott Adams rather correctly showed, this is a great example of confirmation bias. We want something to be true so badly (e.g. that there's a pedophile scandal going on on Washington) that we damn the evidence to the contrary and find what we know is true.

That's the exact same issue that feminists run into the the "rape culture" arguments or college cucks use for the "1 in 5" figure.

To me, it seems just a little bit too convenient that all of this information happens to line up against people the alt-right finds distasteful: gays, Hillary Clinton, elites, Washington insiders, etc. Am I sure that there's nothing going on? No, absolutely not. However, if you're going to make claims like this one, that there's a child sex ring operating out of a pizza parlor, you have to find more convincing evidence than some emails that could be interpreted that way or five other ways.

To me this exactly like the narrative about the Russians influencing the election, that people are actually falling for. Where's the evidence?