Post: #326

Again, this Twitter seems unbiased and well informed: https://twitter.com/agirecudi

Post: #327

I am optimistically thinking that the actual situation is better for the coup participants than the media is reporting.

Post: #328

Visibility in a buttoned up armored vehicle is really crappy, especially at night. It's smarter to play in traffic on the freeway than get anywhere near a moving tank or APC on foot that you're not directly talking to on the radio.

That said, I wouldn't blame any driver for running someone over in a hot sector. Better that than stopping and getting an anti-tank rocket up the ass because you're actually in the kill box of an ambush.

Post: #329

(07-15-2016 07:31 PM)CookieDough Wrote:  

(07-15-2016 07:28 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  Strange - flight tracking for the entire area now seems to have been switched off:

I can still see everything.

flightradar24?

Post: #330

Anyone can translate:

Post: #331

So the coup was not by the secular military but Islamic Gulenists within?

Why the Turkish Coup Will Likely Fail

Quote:Turkey’s coup plotters certainly had the element of surprise working in their favor. The speed in which the military deployed in major cities and took control of critical power nodes showed a high degree of organization and efficiency. However, the coup attempt is already starting to fray, and its chances of failing are high because a polarizing faction is leading it.

There are multiple indications that followers of the Gulen movement embedded within the military are spearheading the coup attempt. The Gulenists are an Islamist movement that has built up significant influence in Turkey since the 1970s. They started with the gendarmerie, where they could take advantage of lax background checks, and gradually worked their way up the military chain of command. When President Recep Tayyip Erdogan felt that the Gulen movement had become too powerful, relations started to fray between the ruling party and the Gulenists. Starting in 2014, massive purges took place to whittle down Gulenist influence in the media and government.

But the Gulenist influence in the military was not fully purged. This may be because of the large amount of blackmail that the Gulenists retained on major military figures to prevent their own dismissals. In essence, an Islamist faction within the military that has deeply alienated the secular strongmen within the armed forces is the one leading the challenge against Erdogan. In other words, it is not a coup backed by Turkey’s secular political, military and civilian opposition. This is already evidenced by signs of a countercoup led by a number of military commanders and the national police, as well as by the main secular opposition Republican People’s Party leader saying it is against the coup.

As we saw in Turkey’s 2015 elections, when the Justice and Development Party won 49.5 percent of the vote, the country is deeply polarized among secularists, Islamists, Kurds and nationalists. Turkey has a number of fault lines that breed opposition to Erdogan’s Islamist-leaning political agenda and neo-Ottoman foreign policy direction, but on the other side of those splits are a substantial number of supporters who legitimately support the president. Moreover, there are many Turks who are anti-Erdogan yet also anti-coup, and who remember the deep economic and political instability of Turkey’s coup-ridden past. This coup attempt is the product of an Islamist division within the military – and divisions within divisions do not spell success for a coup.

Post: #332

It seems like that Erdogan has landed in Istanbul, according to "government sources."

Post: #333

We all know that any time "leaders" are replaced in this part of the world it's a roll of the dice that usually ends up snake eyes. However, in this situation i'd say the odds are better without Erdogan around. He's a slimy piece of shit and as others have pointed out an islamist. He also believes in creating some kind of pan central asian/turkic caliphate and sees himself as the supreme ruler of all that.

He needs to go.

Post: #334

I don't understand on a security, tactical, or otherwise standpoint, how broadcasting the movement of erdogan in real time is a good idea.

Post: #335

(07-15-2016 07:37 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  I don't understand on a security, tactical, or otherwise standpoint, how broadcasting the movement of erdogan in real time is a good idea.

I'm sure they didn't. And my guess is they can't block it, the international radar thing being outside their power grasp.

Post: #336

Post: #337

Appears some military forces have gunned down civilians:

*NSFW*
https://www.facebook.com/muslu.apo.5/vid...027074835/

Post: #338

delete

Post: #339

BREAKING: Coup soldiers are storming headquarters of CNN Turk

Post: #340

Turkish Parliament being struck by bombs:



EDIT: Now hearing reports of loud explosions at Ataturk Airport.

Post: #341

All this disinformation and everything..US CENTCOM must be fucking lit right now.

Like in the movies when a general or admiral is screaming and people are running in every direction. I'd love to be a fly on the wall.

Post: #342

"Breaking- Reports that Erdogan's jet landed in Ataturk Airport. Heavy gunfire, explosions heard near the area. Jets flying low. Crazy."

https://twitter.com/agirecudi/status/754115210252808192

Post: #343

If they're bombing government buildings there is no way this is going to be over any time soon or quashed easily, the military is now committed and are going all the way. It is going to get a lot more ugly I think.

Post: #344

(07-15-2016 07:34 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Anyone can translate:

Not too sure but from what I can decipher looks like something along the lines of:

Press statement, signed by chief of staff.

Some statement about upholding democracy, freedom, human rights. Maintaining/continuing good relationships with other countries.

Could be that initial statement the Military put out?

Post: #345

(07-15-2016 07:47 PM)greekgod Wrote:  All this disinformation and everything..US CENTCOM must be fucking lit right now.

Like in the movies when a general or admiral is screaming and people are running in every direction. I'd love to be a fly on the wall.

Yes, that's what I'm seeing too. So much disinformation out there and contradictory reports. All the news outlets are saying different things. Which means that the Western intel agencies are working overtime to prevent the coup from succeeding. Which means they still have a chance.

Post: #346

"Military having the upper hand again. This doesn't look something small. Not at all."

https://twitter.com/agirecudi/status/754115712193560576

Post: #347

Alexandar Dugin, ex Putin advisor and Eurasianist, claims coup was pro-American, and had to do something with Erdogan's rapprochement with Russia

Post: #348

If the people behind the coup are an Islamist faction in the army, I don't think you necessarily want the coup to succeed. No net gain and potential destabilization of Turkey which means the contagion goes to Europe, fast.

Although it could be the spark that finally forces the cowardly EU to see reality.

Post: #349

(07-15-2016 07:53 PM)Libertas Wrote:  If the people behind the coup are an Islamist faction in the army, I don't think you necessarily want the coup to succeed. No net gain and potential destabilization of Turkey which means the contagion goes to Europe, fast.

Although it could be the spark that finally forces the cowardly EU to see reality.

Can we really trust Stratfor? Isn't that NATO/US based?

Post: #350

(07-15-2016 07:51 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  

(07-15-2016 07:34 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Anyone can translate:

Not too sure but from what I can decipher looks like something along the lines of:

Press statement, signed by chief of staff.

Some statement about upholding democracy, freedom, human rights. Maintaining/continuing good relationships with other countries.

Could be that initial statement the Military put out?