Post: #126

Joe Rogan board snark :

Quote:Her will was strong, but it was the journey that kaled her.

Rest in peas

she'd found herself in quite a pickle

yeah but she's as cool as a cucumber now

Most vegans can't make that type of arduous climb - because they run out of juice.

She lacked the strength, but she had plenty of moral fiber.

Was waiting for this story to turnip

Well, the mountain is cucumbersome.

She was a gluten for punishment.

well at least she wasn't squashed in an avalanche

Frozen from head to tomatoes

Would it have killed her to have eaten just one steak...?

Looks like she had a date with destiny

She didn't give two figs what any of us thought about it.

Everest is known for its kale force winds.

She picked a funny thing to steak her life on.

Oh the irony a vegetarian meatcicle.

All because she wanted to PLANT a flag on the summit of Everest.

Looks like she was a real peach of a gal.

90% of the Rogan board is telling her "How you like them apples?"

At least she went out doing what she loved. Letting people know she was vegan.

I hope there's a really nice service for her before she's berry'd.

it was time for her to meat her maker

So she parsley'ed out?

Father Thyme got her in the end.

Lots of corny jokes in here.

Altitude sickness is no joke. It deprives the brain of oxygen, leaving the victim - a vegetable.

Post: #127

The Mom is on the front page of CNN. She's trying to place blame as to why her iron deficient vegan daughter died of altitude sickness at 20,000 feet in a third world country and no one saved her.

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Post: #128

The Sherpa's last name is Sherpa.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/24/world/ever...-climbing/

Is that common?

Aloha!

Post: #129

I was at the base of the Himalayas last month and the altitude was crazy. I would be eating and wear myself out and have to stop and catch my breath. One or two flights of stairs and I out of air. That shit is no joke..... I bet thats what obese people feel like everyday. No wonder they stay obese and turn to candy corn Oreos for comfort.

Post: #130

(05-25-2016 04:33 PM)RIslander Wrote:  The Mom is on the front page of CNN. She's trying to place blame as to why her iron deficient vegan daughter died of altitude sickness at 20,000 feet in a third world country and no one saved her.

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Did anyone put a gun to her daughter's head and make her climb Everest?

Newflash: trying to climb Everest is dangerous. On average, it's significantly safer to go to war. And sometimes you can't be saved. Welcome to real life.

Post: #131

(05-25-2016 04:45 PM)Kona Wrote:  The Sherpa's last name is Sherpa.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/24/world/ever...-climbing/

Is that common?

Aloha!

Yes.

Sherpa is an informal job title that's a lot easier to say than high altitude mountain guide.

The majority of Sherpas have Sherpa as their surname.

Post: #132

Probably the best opinion on the matter I've heard yet.

OPINION: Another unnecessary death on Everest?

Quote:Climbers or clients? Aussie mountaineer Andrew Lock OAM – the first Australian to climb all 14 of the world's peaks higher than 8000m – shares his thoughts on the latest tragedies on Mount Everest.

Quote:I WAS SADDENED to hear that an Australian woman died on Everest in the last few days and that a second member of the same team also died, separately but in the same summit attempt.

I've done about 10 media interviews in relation to this latest incident, all asking how highly experienced climbers could succumb to the altitude in this way. I would question however, whether the victims were highly experienced climbers, or highly experienced clients. And that is a very big difference because irrespective of how many times they’ve been guided on other mountains, clients depend on others for appropriate leadership, risk management and care. At high altitude, that includes a depth of understanding of altitude’s physiological impacts and various manifestations.

Positive guided climbing experiences in western countries, due to proper industry regulation, create an expectation that most guides are consummate professionals. As they should be. There is no such regulation in the Himalaya. There is neither the requirement for, nor assessment of, training, qualifications, experience, risk management or leadership skills amongst the leaders, guides and support teams. Similarly, as yet there is no requirement for either guides or clients to have prior 8000 metre experience before going to Everest. As a result there is a multitude of companies offering ‘guided’ ascents of very different standards to clients of greatly varying experience, on Everest and many other peaks.

The actual cause of these unfortunate deaths is as yet unclear, although no doubt altitude contributed. Whatever the physiological cause though, the real question is why the signs and symptoms weren’t recognised early enough to prevent the deaths. One person slipping through the net, maybe. But two?

Learning to climb under one’s own skills and experience, without guides, seems to have gone largely out of fashion. Ok, that’s the way things have evolved. But if anything is to be learned from these fatalities, it is this. Everest is just as high as it has always been, as are the other 8000ers.

The fact that it is being overwhelmed by unregulated, indeed unaccountable commercialism, does not make it safer. Low end operators may claim impressive summit statistics but without guides who possess skills and experience to an international standard, combined with a high guide to client ratio, there may not be sufficient leadership and individual oversight to identify emerging issues before they become a problem, let alone respond to them when they do. If you choose to hand responsibility for your ascent and safe return to others, be sure that the company you go with is of the highest standard. That isn’t being discriminatory; it is being practical and honest from a leadership and risk management perspective. It will cost more and you still won’t have a guarantee of success. But you’ll certainly have a better chance of coming home.

Andrew Lock OAM is the first and only Australian – and the 18th person in the world – to climb all 14 of the world's 8000m mountains, including reaching the summit of Mount Everest twice*. He was the first Australian to lead a commercial expedition to the summit of Mount Everest. Andrew was awarded the Australian Geographic Society's 2009 Adventurer of the Year.

As I stated earlier, Narcissism was the killer here, emboldened by grrrl power.

Post: #133

(05-25-2016 04:33 PM)RIslander Wrote:  The Mom is on the front page of CNN. She's trying to place blame as to why her iron deficient vegan daughter died of altitude sickness at 20,000 feet in a third world country and no one saved her.

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I can't wait for the first cunt that blames the Sherpas or the mountain for being misogynistic.

Post: #134

This is funny, but it would have been funnier if they got trapped on the mountain and she was forced to eat a Sherpa to survive.

Post: #135

(05-26-2016 02:54 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  I can't wait for the first cunt that blames the Sherpas or the mountain for being misogynistic.

Everest oppressed her with it's phallic-symbol privilege.

Post: #136

(05-26-2016 05:42 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  This is funny, but it would have been funnier if they got trapped on the mountain and she was forced to eat a Sherpa to survive.

It is funny that someone died but would be even funnier if they had resorted to cannibalism? I must have missed the punchline.

Post: #137

(05-25-2016 04:33 PM)RIslander Wrote:  The Mom is on the front page of CNN. She's trying to place blame as to why her iron deficient vegan daughter died of altitude sickness at 20,000 feet in a third world country and no one saved her.

I think RIslander read the article's title but never read the article or watched the video.

Here it is - http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/25/world/...index.html

The mother never tries to place blame on anyone. Her attitude was the opposite. The husband blames himself but the mother disagrees. At the end of the video the mother says there was nothing they could do because they were above 8000 meters.

The mother just wants to know more about what happened and get her daughter's body home. Let's not forget she is a parent that is coping with the death of a child. She is actually handling it quite well. The CNN typist tries to stir up some controversy but the guys on this forum should be smart enough to see through the spin of a reporter from the Communist News Network.

As others have already said, some of you are trying very hard to squeeze this story into your narrative. This degrades the credibility of this forum. "Red Pill" was supposed to be about truth. It's not supposed to be some kind of distorted groupthink where men are so consumed by their hatred of feminists and SJWs that they forget how to think rationally.

Post: #138

^I get what you're saying but even though I don't find it funny I don't see why I should feel sorry for her. She was a delusional idiot who wanted to prove some nonsense point which she failed to do, in fact she did quite the opposite.

I don't intend to read the CNN article, so can't comment on that.

Post: #139

(05-26-2016 11:50 AM)marty Wrote:  ^I get what you're saying but even though I don't find it funny I don't see why I should feel sorry for her. She was a delusional idiot who wanted to prove some nonsense point which she failed to do, in fact she did quite the opposite.

The girl tried to prove she was morally superior to us by being a vegan and climbing Mount Everest.

Meanwhile, TLOZ does NOT try to show his moral superiority by walking people through the One Year Non-Alcohol Challenge. Nor does scotian in his Six Figures In Six Months thread.

It's not that we have no hearts and cannot recognize morally superior work out of jealousy. It's that we've been exposed to such excellent work with no claims of moral superiority, that we've become immune to false claims of moral superiority.

Post: #140

Climbing mountains where the body struggles to survive just breathing and barely moving into a tent, is a choice.

Some mother fuckers are crazy and want to say, fuck you world, I did what I wanted and it made me happy.

That's cool you accomplished it, but don't get mad when others call it insanely stupid.

Even the most legendary climbers have died on that mountain after they climbed it the first time.



One thing about hikers, trekkers, climbers - it's an addiction.

I free climbed 2-3 times a week at a local indoor, using shoes and chalk. I absolutely loved it, instead of drinking I'd go climb with friends at midnight.

Eventually I got hurt and never went back - it's been about 2 years. Sooner or later I might go back.

(05-25-2016 04:59 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  I was at the base of the Himalayas last month and the altitude was crazy. I would be eating and wear myself out and have to stop and catch my breath. One or two flights of stairs and I out of air. That shit is no joke..... I bet thats what obese people feel like everyday. No wonder they stay obese and turn to candy corn Oreos for comfort.

A relative of mine trekked through the Himalayas got caught up in this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Nepal...m_disaster

Then got to Everest Base Camp - and ended up getting choppered out because he got altitude sickness.

He's done Kilimanjaro, Mt. Whitney a bunch of times, and has done 100's of mountains and hikes locally.

Shit's not a joke, he even told me, he'd never even think about climbing Everest, let alone go back to base camp.

Post: #141

You struggle because you're not used to it. Lack of blood cells. If you lived there for a year and trained around it you would be in better shape than most people going up there. It is trivialised by Social media and morons with technology blindness.

Hey! We can go up into space? If I throw enough money at this rock surely I'd make it?...Right?

Post: #142

People should probably invest in a good EPO cycle before climbing the mountain, it's not like they can't afford it.

Post: #143

Neither veganism nor being female killed this unprepared woman. An over-reliance on the abundance of climbing technology (i.e. supplemental oxygen), indigenous male assistance (Sherpas) and an absolute misunderstanding of the importance of physical training/conditioning and high-altitude acclimation, combined with her lack of actual experience, her hubris and desire for social validation, all combined caused her untimely demise. I do wonder if she ever took the time to climb any other single mountain or just decided "No, Everest sounds cool, thats the big one right?"
RIP
I have known people more prepared who died doing much less.

Post: #144

^She climbed 4 of the 7 summits before Everest. Please read the thread before commenting.

Post: #145

Actually, the mother does sound like she's trying to place blame for her daughter's death to me. She seems convinced someone screwed up and got her daughter killed. Source - reading her direct quotes in articles online.

As for her prior climbing experience, the highest mountain I see she climbed before Everest was Aconcagua. Aconcagua summit elevation - 22841 feet. Everest - 29029 feet. Not exactly in the same ballpark. And of course the death rate on Aconcagua is much, much lower. Something like 3 a year die there, for a death rate of ~0.1% of climbers. Everest is right around 5%.

Quote:As others have already said, some of you are trying very hard to squeeze this story into your narrative. This degrades the credibility of this forum. "Red Pill" was supposed to be about truth. It's not supposed to be some kind of distorted groupthink where men are so consumed by their hatred of feminists and SJWs that they forget how to think rationally.

Great, are we going to get this accusation in every single thread where someone gets a case of the ass now?

The woman very clearly said why she went up that mountain. She wasn't a climber who happened to be a vegan, she climbed Everest because she wanted to prove how strong vegans are. She wanted to make a social point about her lifestyle, a lifestyle whose adherents are well known for being extremely annoying and self righteous in their proselytization. I think most people would agree it's not a great reason for doing something very dangerous.

What you seem to miss here is it's the irony of her death that has people stirred up, not hatred.

Post: #146

I suggest watching the video to get the mother's perspective. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/25/world/...index.html

Or post her mother's quotes without any of the CNN reporter's commentary. My opinion is that the mother just wants to know what happened. Maybe you assume she is trying to place blame but I don't see that.

(05-26-2016 02:27 PM)weambulance Wrote:  The woman very clearly said why she went up that mountain. She wasn't a climber who happened to be a vegan, she climbed Everest because she wanted to prove how strong vegans are. She wanted to make a social point about her lifestyle, a lifestyle whose adherents are well known for being extremely annoying and self righteous in their proselytization. I think most people would agree it's not a great reason for doing something very dangerous.

How do you know she wasn't a climber who happened to be a vegan and made a few comments about proving that vegans weren't weak? How do you know that her primary purpose for climbing Everest was proving a point about vegans? I seriously doubt that her and her husband weren't very passionate about mountain climbing.

All I've seen is her having a few talking points about vegans not being weak when her university interviewed her about the climb. Maybe she was a radical vegan who felt morally superior to non-vegans and tried to force her beliefs on others. Many vegans are like that but nobody has provided evidence of her being like that in this thread yet.

There is a lot of talk about her being a delusional idiot and that she thought she was morally superior because she was a vegan but none of that comes from the articles. All that talk seems to be the assumptions of guys in this thread and they haven't provided sources. I assume the Daily Mail used the most controversial quotes they had but her quotes simply aren't that controversial. There is no moral superiority or trying to force her beliefs on others.

The media leads you to believe that her only purpose for climbing the mountain was to prove a point about veganism because that story sells but it probably isn't the full story. Things aren't so black and white in real life. Basically, everything BB said in the first page of this thread...

(05-21-2016 11:16 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Just because the Daily Mail found her motive for being on the mountain worthy of an attention-getting headline doesn't establish some kind of causality that you should use to support your pre-established narrative.

Perhaps the veganism ties in somehow, but from what I can see reading the story, there's nowhere near enough info to toss out an "I told you so."

We've all seen this last year or so how the media likes to hype and twist the facts with sensationalism. Let's not jump for their bait without checking closer just because we impulsively agree with their slant in this case.

(05-26-2016 02:27 PM)weambulance Wrote:  What you seem to miss here is it's the irony of her death that has people stirred up, not hatred.

I see the irony but I also see the "desire to fit everything into a certain narrative that is depressing" as both BB and Ringo have stated in this thread and as countless forum members discuss in real life even if they don't say those things in the forum. I'm now mostly referring to things outside the scope of weambulance's comments such as other guy's comments about this women's death being funny, comments suggesting she had never climbed another mountain before, conclusions that her death is the result of her being a woman or a vegan even though 3 men died on Everest within a few days of her death, etc.

Post: #147

I'm not going to comment on the death of the woman, that's been done to "death" already, excuse the pun.

I will however express my desire in that one day summiting Everest becomes a criminal offence. And not in order to save lives, but because I like others have seen the pictures that result from it's popularity (Tons of trash, oxygen tanks etc), and the vast amount of tourists that try to summit it simply for bragging purposes. George Mallory is famous for the quote "because it's there". In today's world, the answer is more like "Because I can brag about it on social media".

Myself and my climbing partner decided a long time ago that given the money and the choice, we wouldn't take it. Being at the highest point in the world isn't so appealing when you can only stand at the summit for a limited amount of time due to a queue:



And when the path is littered with all kinds of unnatural objects. I would prefer the place be completely untouched by man. That is true respect to the mountains.

"Leave no trace".

Post: #148

Oh, we can play the what if game all day. Maybe she had a pet unicorn named Sprinkles that she planned to fly down from the summit too.



I have no reason to doubt her words. She was directly quoted as saying the reason she was climbing the 7 peaks was to prove how strong vegans are. Why are you so convinced she wasn't doing it for exactly that reason? You're accusing us of jumping the gun, while fabricating excuses out of thin air as if the absence of hard proof for her decision means there must actually be some other explanation.

You'd have a point if she wasn't quoted so clearly. But she was. Was this what you read here? "Oh, a woman died up there... and I see in paragraph 37 that she was a vegan!? Well no fucking kidding she was going to die, don't vegans die every day just getting out of bed? I know I have to wade through a pile of vegan corpses in the park every day to get my lunch burrito."

The best explanation is things are exactly as they seem. She said why she was doing it. She died ironically. Did she die because of her veganism, in the sense that it weakened her body? Maybe, but I have no idea, and I don't care either.

As for this narrative you speak of, there have been dozens of different takes on this event in this thread. It's not as if we dogpiled her, all shouting the same "I told you so, vegan witch!". Some people made dark jokes about her veganism. So? Dark humor is common in the real world, especially amongst people who deal with death a lot. Maybe a handful of people actually think she absolutely died because she was a vegan, and not because she fucked up or was unprepared.

I will say that it is not unreasonable to suspect that an outspoken, hardcore vegan might not fully appreciate the danger of the task she was undertaking. Why? First of all, veganism is a willful disconnection from reality when it isn't done for necessary health reasons (disease management). Humans are omnivores, that is a fact. So if they refuse to accept and embrace reality out of some weird wishy washy morality based around, I don't even know, I guess anthropomorphism or nutritional pseudoscience, they might well refuse to recognize the realities of how dangerous nature can be.

I've met a fuckton of people just like that: totally cavalier about how dangerous nature can be, while playing as if they were all spiritual and connected or whatever bullshit. I lived in interior Alaska for years, and all the hippie chicks coming up from OR and WA were that way. Right up until they shit themselves face to face with a grizzly with no defense, and decided to start listening to the rest of us.

Before anyone accuses me of slagging the woman who died, that is not my intent. But anyone with much experience outdoors has met people like I described, and it's a pretty short jump to that conclusion given the story. Last I checked, this is an internet forum, and we're in the Everything Else subforum at that, which is mostly about bullshitting over news items, not constructing copper bottomed scientific proofs.

Also, with most of these "shoehorned into a narrative" complaints, there are actually like 5 people out of 50 doing it in the occasional thread, while the vast majority of the comments are more reasoned. And yet I keep hearing the complaint as if it's a fucking forum pandemic. It's getting old already.


Edit - Removed redundant phrase

Post: #149

(05-26-2016 04:01 PM)AntiMediocrity Wrote:  George Mallory is famous for the quote "because it's there". In today's world, the answer is more like "Because I can brag about it on social media".

And when the path is littered with all kinds of unnatural objects. I would prefer the place be completely untouched by man. That is true respect to the mountains.

"Leave no trace".

This. Fucking this.

Hence idiots littering and fucking natural places up.

Or idiots who get onto 100+ year old objects and destroy them by accident.

Post: #150

weambulance - I'm not playing a "what if" game. All my thoughts and comments are based on precisely what the woman and her mother said. I'm not going to assume that I know more about her especially when I know the media wants to sell a story.

Where is the evidence of this elaborate campaign she had to prove to the world that we are evil and wrong for eating meat? She made a few comments about proving vegans aren't weak when her university interviewed her about the climb - big fucking deal.

I've met vegetarians who avoid talking about being a vegetarian because they don't want to get into arguments so it is reasonable to assume that some vegans aren't trying to demonstrate moral superiority and change everyone's opinions about eating meat.

I'm not a fan of the "guilty until proven innocent" mentality and if someone dies then I'm giving her and her parents the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. So show me some evidence that supports this women being a radical lunatic and I'll call her a radical lunatic. However, we are 6 pages into this thread and all you got is some quotes about her wanting to prove vegans aren't weak but you got nothing suggesting that she felt morally superior or forced her beliefs about not eating meat on others.