Post: #126

(11-13-2016 01:42 AM)8ball Wrote:  Since trump got elected i suspect mass boycots will be under way, his twitter army - 4chan/8chan, facebook and trump allied media can all coordinate(without the man himself) to take down movies like this and the companies that finance them.


There should probably be a list of companies and upcoming projects for boycott. I was encouraged by the grubhub effect, lets start with ROGUE ONE and FUCKING CRUSH IT.

Lets make this film an example.

I don't think there will be a coordinated boycott against crap like this.

I do think, that since Trump has been elected, people will not feel obligated to accept this PC/sjw crap as much as they used to.

People support that shit out of guilt just as much, if not more, than they support it because they think its morally right.

Do you really think so many people actually support gays getting married or they just don't want to be labeled bigots?

Same idea.

Aloha!

Post: #127

(11-12-2016 07:16 AM)etwsake Wrote:  Just in case there were a few of you that somehow still liked Star Wars after that shitfest they released last year, don't worry....the SJWs are gonna make sure you hate it from now on!

Here's the tweets from the writers of Rogue One:



Please note that the Empire is a white supremacist (human) organization

— Chris Weitz (@chrisweitz) November 11, 2016



Opposed by a multi-cultural group led by brave women. https://t.co/UUcjwflMWG

— Gary Whitta (@garywhitta) November 11, 2016



Star Wars against hate. Spread it. pic.twitter.com/Dtf5uqpxba

— Chris Weitz (@chrisweitz) November 11, 2016


They're encouraging everyone that's super traumatized by the election results to use the symbol of the Rebellion from the Star Wars movies as a sign of protest. Paired, of course, with a safety pin. Cause that's also the symbol of safe spaces/safe people/non-racists or something. At least that's what it means today, apparently.

I've gave Disney my last dollar a long time ago, but it's nice to see what the writers of this movie think about half the country.

Not that this pile of shit looked like a good movie anyway. Cause, you know, GRRL power and multi-colored rainbow good guys always beat the big bad white man.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/rogue-one-w...29517.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vi...ers-946638

TBTH, the pre-Disney Galactic Empire and Rebel Alliance had much the same traits. The Empire was Humanocentric while the Alliance was filled with aliens of all types.

That said, I still have a hard time latching on to Disney-era Star Wars...

Post: #128

How dafuq they say the Empire is white supremacist when Darth Vader is one of the most badass black dudes ever. SMH...

Post: #129

(11-12-2016 11:26 PM)King of Monkeys Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 06:41 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  The Hyperion Cantos?

I heard about this awhile back, there's a miniseries in the works for the SyFy channel. SyFy's original movies are hilariously awful, but every now and then their miniseries come out all right. I just hope they don't butcher it, otherwise it will be a longtime before the IP gets used again for something substantial.

They are doing a miniseries of Dan Simmon's Hyperion Cantos? Seems like too ambitious an undertaking on a TV budget.
SyFy is already straining the budget with The Expanse series (first season was pretty good, even if most of the actors didn't fit the image I had in my mind after the books, but that's obviously often how it is with adapted novels), and it seems to me like an adaptation of the Hyperion Cantos would be substantially more expensive to try to do it any kind of justice, even if the budget only has to stretch to a miniseries.

Post: #130

^^^^^^

A miniseries of the Hyperion Cantos? Unless the mini-series is going to be several seasons long and each season would be 10-20 hour long episodes I have a hard time understanding how the story would work.

I agree it sounds like a terrible idea. Somebody thinks there is some easy money to make probably.

Post: #131

Was thinking more about adaptations while commuting today. Pournelle's "CoDominium" universe (if that's the right name) would be a good mil-SF-heavy IP to turn into a red-pill TV series. Particularly the era of "King David's Spaceship" and "Mote in God's Eye". Lots of potential for action, intrigue, and warfare.

It's what the new SW trilogy could be if it were made by actual men.

Post: #132

will be interesting to see how they cuck up han solo as they have a young han solo movie on the way too. seeing as he's the most red pill, masculine character in the SW universe he'll probably end up being trans or bisexual.

Post: #133

wait til tight ass tuesdays, and get a nice HD recording to upload to the internetz.....

thats the response to a resting bitch face female lead in a franchise made by men

the acting looks horrid even in the trailer, like its some kind of hillary clinton summer camp for young aspiring femnazis to teach the intricacies of resting bitch face

Post: #134

Star Wars has been pretty much a complete fraud since May 25th, 1983.

For reference:

The Return of the Jedi: shit (yub yub!)

The 1990s remasters: shit

Episode 1: shit

Episode 2: shit

Episode 3: shit

The Force Awakens: a big feminist bowel movement

It seems as if the reanimated corpses they keep trotting out every decade or so have fooled people into believing this party didn't end well before Ronald Reagan's second term.

Post: #135

(11-13-2016 07:23 PM)MKDAWUSS Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 07:16 AM)etwsake Wrote:  Just in case there were a few of you that somehow still liked Star Wars after that shitfest they released last year, don't worry....the SJWs are gonna make sure you hate it from now on!

Here's the tweets from the writers of Rogue One:



Please note that the Empire is a white supremacist (human) organization

— Chris Weitz (@chrisweitz) November 11, 2016



Opposed by a multi-cultural group led by brave women. https://t.co/UUcjwflMWG

— Gary Whitta (@garywhitta) November 11, 2016



Star Wars against hate. Spread it. pic.twitter.com/Dtf5uqpxba

— Chris Weitz (@chrisweitz) November 11, 2016


They're encouraging everyone that's super traumatized by the election results to use the symbol of the Rebellion from the Star Wars movies as a sign of protest. Paired, of course, with a safety pin. Cause that's also the symbol of safe spaces/safe people/non-racists or something. At least that's what it means today, apparently.

I've gave Disney my last dollar a long time ago, but it's nice to see what the writers of this movie think about half the country.

Not that this pile of shit looked like a good movie anyway. Cause, you know, GRRL power and multi-colored rainbow good guys always beat the big bad white man.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/rogue-one-w...29517.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vi...ers-946638

TBTH, the pre-Disney Galactic Empire and Rebel Alliance had much the same traits. The Empire was Humanocentric while the Alliance was filled with aliens of all types.

That said, I still have a hard time latching on to Disney-era Star Wars...

I think Disney is going to have to reverse course soon. TFA's script was already dated by the time its release, the SJW nonsense has already reached its high water mark.

Rogue One will be a major hurdle for this, if it really is as bad as the moronic writer behaves.

The one thing about Disney is that they care about making money more than anything else, and they won't be bashful in tossing the multicultural bs over in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

I imagine at some point, they'll get the die-hard fans and major EU authors like Timothy Zahn and have them clean up the mess they made and giving fans what they really want.

Post: #136

(11-15-2016 01:33 PM)Meister Eckhart Wrote:  I think Disney is going to have to reverse course soon. TFA's script was already dated by the time its release, the SJW nonsense has already reached its high water mark.

This is part of Hollywood's problem, one that's going to be glaringly apparent in the next couple of years: it takes too long to write, film, and release a major motion picture. Even allowing yourself one year from script to screen is a maniacally difficult deadline to meet; most "tentpole" releases like this sucker have to be booked into theatres 2-3 years ahead. Cultural shifts are starting to happen too quickly for the studios to keep up, in other words.

Therefore, what you see on the silver screen is what the studio thought was hip or culturally acceptable roughly 2 years back, or maybe 1 year ago if major script doctoring is done. It's not possible to heavily mould a film's script in editing because pretty much the entire process of set and location selection, lighting, cinematography and the rest of it are more or less wedded to the script as written. When the studio does fuck around with the script in a major way, trying to change the tone, the results are usually pretty clear for all to see.

Hollywood therefore is going to have to eat some significant money over the next 12 months or so on its returns. Simply put, it's going to come across as propaganda as against what Trump is going to do to the US, and people won't respond to it.

On a related note: Rogue One's take will be an interesting barometer of the US politically. On the trailers alone Rogue One's script doesn't sound that much more impressive than your average Star Wars fan film -- and there are impressive ones out there. The only difference is the scale of onscreen mediocrity afforded by having a big budget.

Unless there is something really hearty and spiritual in this film, something more than you-go-grrlism and improbable female leadership and asskicking, I don't think this one is going to do fantastic returns. The one Star Wars nut I know, a guy roughly in my demographic, i.e. the demographic they need to turn out since the film is basically a riff off the OT, has said he's not terribly impressed with the look of it and is likely to give it a miss. This guy is regular blue pill and a little aspie, i.e. again, Star Wars's key demographic these days. If he represents the wider feel for the film, then I'd say the show has some problems. Putting an ageing Donnie Yen in it as a sort of Star Wars Zatoichi isn't going to terribly impress people I'd have thought, and while they've clearly cast token ethnicities all over the place to try and pull a Cameron-style Titanic effect, my feeling is that it's not quite going to pull it off.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #137

(11-15-2016 08:51 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Unless there is something really hearty and spiritual in this film, something more than you-go-grrlism and improbable female leadership and asskicking, I don't think this one is going to do fantastic returns. The one Star Wars nut I know, a guy roughly in my demographic, i.e. the demographic they need to turn out since the film is basically a riff off the OT, has said he's not terribly impressed with the look of it and is likely to give it a miss. This guy is regular blue pill and a little aspie, i.e. again, Star Wars's key demographic these days. If he represents the wider feel for the film, then I'd say the show has some problems. Putting an ageing Donnie Yen in it as a sort of Star Wars Zatoichi isn't going to terribly impress people I'd have thought, and while they've clearly cast token ethnicities all over the place to try and pull a Cameron-style Titanic effect, my feeling is that it's not quite going to pull it off.

I'm inclined to agree. I consider myself a more involved Star Wars fan, I read the EU books in the 90s as a kid and was really into it. The biggest problem I have is that the story was already told in the EU with Dark Forces, and I would have just preferred that and so would thousands of other fans. Sure it's not "new", but I'd still pay to see it, and I think the casual audience would have been happy with it too because they probably never heard of or bothered to check an old MS-DOS computer game.

Of course, instead of doing that, they pushed the very SJW tainted story instead, and decided to crib from the EU liberally. I think it will fail, because nobody is going to like an annoying Jan Ors Jyn Erso instead of Kyle Katarn as a protagonist. I mean, for supposedly getting rid of the EU, they sure are doing a terrible job at coming up with original stories without it.

Post: #138

Also, since this is kind of the trashcan for Star Wars news right now...

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/cel...7188e3fde4

Quote:A LONG time ago, on a movie set far, far away, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford hooked up — but he didn’t exactly rock her world, the Star Wars actress says.
Fisher, who played Princess Leia in the classic space flick, says in a new book that while Ford, aka Han Solo, complained that she was a “bad kisser,” the married father-of-two wasn’t so hot in bed himself, according to Radar Online.

But Fisher, 60, says she let it slide because “he was really handsome.”

In her tome The Princess Diarist, the actress recalls how she first met the then-34-year-old Ford on the London set of the 1977 blockbuster classic when she was just 19.

While Fisher has hinted in the past that the pair may have fooled around, she gets down and dirty in the book, revealing that he allegedly got her drunk and seduced her during filming, part of which took place in Tunisia.

The pair wound up in bed after Ford, who is now 74, offered to drive a “wine sodden” Fisher home, she says.

The book contains excerpts from a diary that Fisher kept of the affair, Radar said. The website is owned by the same company as the National Enquirer, which obtained the book ahead of its November 22 release date.

In one entry, she says she tried “relentlessly” to make Ford love her and came up with fantasies of Ford proposing to her with a “gold band with diamonds (inscribed) ‘Carrison’.”

In a 2008 interview, Fisher admitted, “I went on the film saying, ‘I’m going to have an affair,’ like it was a kiwi, an exotic fruit — because I’d never had one. I had a crush on Harrison for sure. Harrison is great fun when he’s had a few drinks.”

Fisher added, “I’m going to get in so much trouble ... Once I left the room and came back, and he was in the closet not wearing a lot of clothes.”

A rep for Ford did not immediately return a request for comment.

Harrison Ford, though he sure as fuck didn't look it on film, was 34 years old in 1976, when A New Hope was filmed. He was almost twice Carrie Fisher's age. He was also married with two sons at the time, albeit maybe the marriage was for show by that point since the two of them divorced in 1979.

There is some serious Red Pill going on here. Fisher admits to have been dating Paul Simon from 1977 to 1983. Alpha fux, beta bux, or at best she has been an alpha widow to Ford for the better part of forty years. She was bipolar, never graduated from high school, and had some serious drug issues; she admits she basically went through the entire filming of ROTJ high on cocaine.

Needless to say this story would not have had a happy ending had it taken place today. Fisher in today's world would have gone to the media the moment Ford's popularity blew up and alleged a rape off the back of being drunk. That motherfucker must have some seriously busy guardian angels.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #139

(11-15-2016 10:36 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  ...Harrison Ford, though he sure as fuck didn't look it on film, was 34 years old in 1976, when A New Hope was filmed. He was almost twice Carrie Fisher's age...she admits she basically went through the entire filming of ROTJ high on cocaine...

It was shocking and depressing to see her in Force Awakens - like a hot older neighbor girl you adored as a little kid showing up at your door as a crazy bag-lady. I don't know if it was the damage from decades of substance abuse, or if she was drunk/on drugs during the filming of this one, too, but she looked much older than I would have expected and absently slurred through all her lines. It didn't even seem like she was playing the same character as in the first three movies. It struck me as cruel to both her and the audience to cast her under the circumstances.

As he's gotten older the even-older Ford has developed a bit of a lazy tongue or whatever it is of his own, but he could still actually play the part well enough.

Post: #140

(11-15-2016 10:59 PM)Alsos Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 10:36 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  ...Harrison Ford, though he sure as fuck didn't look it on film, was 34 years old in 1976, when A New Hope was filmed. He was almost twice Carrie Fisher's age...she admits she basically went through the entire filming of ROTJ high on cocaine...

It was shocking and depressing to see her in Force Awakens - like a hot older neighbor girl you adored as a little kid showing up at your door as a crazy bag-lady. I don't know if it was the damage from decades of substance abuse, or if she was drunk/on drugs during the filming of this one, too, but she looked much older than I would have expected and absently slurred through all her lines. It didn't even seem like she was playing the same character as in the first three movies. It struck me as cruel to both her and the audience to cast her under the circumstances.

As he's gotten older the even-older Ford has developed a bit of a lazy tongue or whatever it is of his own, but he could still actually play the part well enough.

She supposedly had a lot of cut scenes as well, with the official word being that it was unnecessary exposition that was chewing up time.

Maybe Abrams was too embarrassed to have her debate in the New Republic Senate.

Post: #141

(11-15-2016 11:07 PM)Meister Eckhart Wrote:  ...Maybe Abrams was too embarrassed to have her debate in the New Republic Senate.

Fisher said the Senate debate scenes were the proudest work of her entire career. "I worked hard to get it exactly right," she mumbled half-coherently. "I took a drunken Ted Kennedy as my model, and went through case after case of cheap bourbon as I practiced getting the slurring and random emphatic yelling down pat."[/i]

Post: #142

(11-15-2016 09:43 PM)Meister Eckhart Wrote:  I'm inclined to agree. I consider myself a more involved Star Wars fan, I read the EU books in the 90s as a kid and was really into it. The biggest problem I have is that the story was already told in the EU with Dark Forces, and I would have just preferred that and so would thousands of other fans. Sure it's not "new", but I'd still pay to see it, and I think the casual audience would have been happy with it too because they probably never heard of or bothered to check an old MS-DOS computer game.

Of course, instead of doing that, they pushed the very SJW tainted story instead, and decided to crib from the EU liberally. I think it will fail, because nobody is going to like an annoying Jan Ors Jyn Erso instead of Kyle Katarn as a protagonist. I mean, for supposedly getting rid of the EU, they sure are doing a terrible job at coming up with original stories without it.

This is exactly my problem with Rogue One as well, this story has already been told, and the games and novels of the 90s are infinitely more faithful to the feel of the Star Wars universe than the hokey Disney-era stuff.

When Disney killed the Expanded Universe, they essentially shat upon decades of carefully-connected lore, in favor of their own big dumb Hollywood version. Sure, there was plenty of stupid EU stuff over the years, but the good was more than worth it. I'd much rather just play Dark Forces again than pay Disney to be insulted with dumb propaganda.

Post: #143

(11-16-2016 06:51 PM)HermeticAlly Wrote:  This is exactly my problem with Rogue One as well, this story has already been told, and the games and novels of the 90s are infinitely more faithful to the feel of the Star Wars universe than the hokey Disney-era stuff.

When Disney killed the Expanded Universe, they essentially shat upon decades of carefully-connected lore, in favor of their own big dumb Hollywood version. Sure, there was plenty of stupid EU stuff over the years, but the good was more than worth it. I'd much rather just play Dark Forces again than pay Disney to be insulted with dumb propaganda.

Yeah, I soured once Vector Prime came out as I thought the Yuuzhan Vong was a really stupid move. Then again, I was also about 12 and had a hard time understanding what the hell was even going on.

I was really disappointed how the Imperial Remnant was more or less swept away so that the First Order could monopolize things. That was another waste, as the EU really fleshed out the mess of trying to hang on to the Empire would be. And from what I've read, the replacement characters are stupid and boring. This "Ciana Ree" that had all this ink spilled was being puffed up seemingly because:
1. She has brown skin
2. She has a vagina

Never mind Ysanne Isard was a woman, but what does Buzzfeed seriously know about Star Wars?

Hopefully by the time Episode IX limps along, they'll realize what the fans actually want and have Admiral Thrawn come out of Hyperspace with his Fleet of the Empire of the Hand, and Ben Skywalker shows up with Mara Jade to rescue us from the horrible protagonist of his (likely) sister Rey.

Post: #144

I personally won't see Rogue One mostly because Disney really destroyed the EU when they bought the rights from Lucas. Yes, there were some bad stories but there was also good ones like the Thrawn trilogy and the Legacy storyline with the Skywalker and Solo descendants. Then again, Disney took bits and pieces they liked from the EU like a Solo child gone to the dark side and the Jedi being rebuilt then dying again!

Say what you will about the prequels and George Lucas as a horrible director but at least he tried doing something different with them.

Also, I thought The Force Awakens was just bland not because of SJW propaganda but it was Episode 4 all over again with the Empire and Rebellion rebranding themselves for a different time. Harrison Ford looked like he was doing paycheck acting and Carrie Fisher has aged horribly. I mean there was another Death Star wannabe and other bland ripoffs.

Post: #145

Hey everybody, let's go see a movie about our favorite topic — D I V E R S I T Y ! ! !

From IndieWire.com:

‘Rogue One’: How Gareth Edwards Made a Gritty ‘Star Wars’ Movie About Diversity

Quote:“It’s been very easy in the past to label it as we’re the good guys and they’re the bad guys,” said Edwards. “And I’m sure like they feel they’re the good guys and we’re the bad guys. And the goal of a lot of films used to be: If we just eliminate the bad guys, we win. But I think a more modern, realistic viewpoint is that no one’s good, no one’s evil and the only real way we’re going to stop wars is to understand each other better, come together and empathize with them. And this film tried to take away the black and white and make it more gray. You even see the point of view of the bad guys and you start to understand what [the Empire] tried to do.”

Post: #146

(11-16-2016 06:51 PM)HermeticAlly Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 09:43 PM)Meister Eckhart Wrote:  I'm inclined to agree. I consider myself a more involved Star Wars fan, I read the EU books in the 90s as a kid and was really into it. The biggest problem I have is that the story was already told in the EU with Dark Forces, and I would have just preferred that and so would thousands of other fans. Sure it's not "new", but I'd still pay to see it, and I think the casual audience would have been happy with it too because they probably never heard of or bothered to check an old MS-DOS computer game.

Of course, instead of doing that, they pushed the very SJW tainted story instead, and decided to crib from the EU liberally. I think it will fail, because nobody is going to like an annoying Jan Ors Jyn Erso instead of Kyle Katarn as a protagonist. I mean, for supposedly getting rid of the EU, they sure are doing a terrible job at coming up with original stories without it.

This is exactly my problem with Rogue One as well, this story has already been told, and the games and novels of the 90s are infinitely more faithful to the feel of the Star Wars universe than the hokey Disney-era stuff.

When Disney killed the Expanded Universe, they essentially shat upon decades of carefully-connected lore, in favor of their own big dumb Hollywood version. Sure, there was plenty of stupid EU stuff over the years, but the good was more than worth it. I'd much rather just play Dark Forces again than pay Disney to be insulted with dumb propaganda.

I loved kotor 1 and 2 and the battlefront 1 and 2 games.(those are all post disney era).

The Star Wars games for the atari 2600 were ok, but it really was a limited system.

Post: #147

On the basis of Rogue One missing the boat because political correctness is already cracking heavily under it's bloated weight.
While that may be true.
Box office no.s pending.

I actually will not be surprised if we see a whole host of movies based around dystopian or totalitarian themes. All as an allegory for a Trump presidency.

SJW's as we know, always double down..


Election Results Spur New Wave of Activism in Hollywood

http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/hollywo...201929204/

As the reality of Donald Trump’s presidency sets in, a new wave of activism has taken hold in Hollywood. Mourning over Hillary Clinton’s loss has given way to soul-searching and a renewed sense of commitment. From organizing protests and forming action groups to harnessing social media as a megaphone, actors are becoming activists — using their celebrity status to draw crowds and attention to progressive causes.

Post: #148

Maybe we should make a libsploitation movie genre with shit films that cater to their stupid fantasies in an effort to extract money from them. Like those guys that sold the 'male tears' coffee mugs.

Post: #149

(12-06-2016 11:14 AM)Silver_Tube Wrote:  Maybe we should make a libsploitation movie genre with shit films that cater to their stupid fantasies in an effort to extract money from them. Like those guys that sold the 'male tears' coffee mugs.

What do you suppose that would look like? I'm guessing such films would need to be something more than the usual virtue-signaling and moral preening of actual Hollywood movies in order to set them apart.

It would have to appeal to the target audience's self-image and worldview, flattering them in some lurid, over-the-top way. Wish-fulfillment on steroids.

Unfortunately, any example I can contrive involves a premise requiring the protagonist to act in a way contrary to SJW ideals (think "Death Wish" retooled for people who eschew firearms and violence generally). Or it would be so smarmy and Mary-Sue-perfect and sensitive to delicate marginalized feelings that nothing exciting or funny or poignant could happen, meaning it would bore even the target audience to tears.

It's an interesting and potentially hilarious thought-experiment, though, if you can somehow tap in to how SJWs think. That's a muse I never want to find, though.

Post: #150

Personally I lost faith in action/scifi films in recent years. Bland and charmless scripts, leftist political narratives, simply one disappointment after another.

Will not watch (in cinema or otherwise).

I can only point out one great action movie in recent years and that is Dredd (2012). Mad Max was also fun, despite the feminist themes.