Post: #101

(08-12-2016 02:55 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  As I said back in April in my earlier post: The director has a bad record in making compelling movies (visually he's pretty good but character/story/pacing wise he's awful) and Disney made a huge mistake with going with him.

The extensive re-shoots no doubt were a result of Disney finally realizing they done fucked up and were gonna have a shit movie on their hands if they didn't do something.

The female lead reminds me of so many American/western women in a negative way:

1. Stuck-up
2. Unfriendly
3. Pretends to act hard
4. Has that dead stare in her face (usually these chicks are wearing big hipster glasses)
5. Expects people to take her seriously just because she exists
6. Has no humbling, endearing, or feminine qualities

No one takes super warrior women seriously to begin with but if you make them at least somewhat feminine in behavior, I think it's a lot easier for people to accept. Women who pretend to act like harden men though? Then it just falls apart.

That last shot of the trailer kind of rub me the wrong the way too:

Her: "Are you with me?"

Dude: "All the way."

*Then a shot of her with an odd insecure looking smile looking outward towards nobody; so proud of herself that she secured loyalty/resources without ever earning it. Real leader material there.* - If that wasn't the typical American/western chick in a nutshell, I don't know what is.

There is nothing in that trailer to show or hint what SHE has done to warrant why a group of people, especially warrior men, would follow her on a suicide mission except for that 2 seconds she told someone "they could make a difference."

What does she bring to the table? All I can tell is that she is a non-pleasant messenger and nothing more. She should get out of the men's way and let them do the mission.

I know. It could just be the way the trailer is cut but Disney still wanted to present the aforementioned image intentionally. So, the trailer doesn't get a pass.

We know how it ends anyway roughly: Everybody (or mostly everybody) dies. At least we know why now.

Good point, they should've hired Joss Whedon if they wanted to make a fantasy based film with lead women. That guy has the formula down. Despite being a super cuck, he knows how to write women in a way thats watchable (buffy the vampire slayer, firefly, white queen storyline in X-men)

Intstead, this chick comes off like her jedi training is in feminist studies, while swallowing lightsabers off tinder.

Post: #102

The last 'strong' female character in an action roll I remember liking was 'Ripley' from the first two Alien movies. They made her smart, but not super-human in anyway. She also had enough sense to ask for help in learning how to use the Colonial Marine's weapons in Aliens.

I tried watching Marco Polo on Netflix a while back. I really like historical dramas, especially when an effort (albeit imperfect) is made to actually be true to the real history and culture at the time. Marco Polo at the first viewing was to me a cross between a soap opera, a Kung Fu movie, and softcore Asian porn. It lost me completely when a Chinese gal, while completely nude, went into 'crouching tiger flying vagina mode', dispatching with ease several elite guards who were equipped in a full kit of weapons and armor.

Too much suspending disbelief.... I abandoned the series

Post: #103

The chap pictured below actually has more character depth, development and all-round believability than Rogue One's new female lead.

I sense a profound disturbance in the Force for me to have said that.

Post: #104

Just in case there were a few of you that somehow still liked Star Wars after that shitfest they released last year, don't worry....the SJWs are gonna make sure you hate it from now on!

Here's the tweets from the writers of Rogue One:



Please note that the Empire is a white supremacist (human) organization

— Chris Weitz (@chrisweitz) November 11, 2016



Opposed by a multi-cultural group led by brave women. https://t.co/UUcjwflMWG

— Gary Whitta (@garywhitta) November 11, 2016



Star Wars against hate. Spread it. pic.twitter.com/Dtf5uqpxba

— Chris Weitz (@chrisweitz) November 11, 2016


They're encouraging everyone that's super traumatized by the election results to use the symbol of the Rebellion from the Star Wars movies as a sign of protest. Paired, of course, with a safety pin. Cause that's also the symbol of safe spaces/safe people/non-racists or something. At least that's what it means today, apparently.

I've gave Disney my last dollar a long time ago, but it's nice to see what the writers of this movie think about half the country.

Not that this pile of shit looked like a good movie anyway. Cause, you know, GRRL power and multi-colored rainbow good guys always beat the big bad white man.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/rogue-one-w...29517.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vi...ers-946638

Post: #105

Yeah, the hell with this franchise.

Download it or just boycott it all together. Make the SOBs bleed their franchise to death.

Post: #106

So the US/NATO militaries are the storm troopers?

I don't think the rebels believed in gun-free zones and talking to your enemies and broadcasting your moves to them. But they do have a very strong religion which tends to blow shit up.

Post: #107

Should probably go all Samus Aran/Boba Fett bounty hunter type, and take off her helmet at the end of the movie to reveal..

Oh fuck it, there's no marketing in it if people can't see her face and "relate", so who gives a fuck about the story/characters right?

'Member Alderaan? 'Member the Battle of Endor? I 'member!

Post: #108

The "Star Wars" franchise is lost, it's gone over to the dark side -- SJWism/identity politics. This film marks the second time in two years, a "strong, independent woman" supported by benevolent minority characters come up against what leftists consider to be the ultimate evil...white males.

It's probably too much to hope for that "Rogue One" will bomb like feminist "Ghostbusters," but I hope it makes significantly less money than the last "Star Wars" film did. The only way Hollywood will stop churning out this garbage is once it starts affecting their bottom line. I, for one, will not spend my hard-earned money funding this type of "entertainment."

We have so much talent on our side, we need to start writing/producing our own red pill infused stories/short films and features to counter the subversive crap coming out of Hollywood.

Post: #109

Even if they make money this time it won't matter. The problem is that the only play they have left, appeals to nostalgia, depends on a finite resource: IPs from the 80s and 90s, that a large audience will still remember fondly and where one or two of the names involved is still alive and kicking. They've already run a lot of franchises into the ground and there aren't that many left.

Name me ONE new movie IP in the past few years that people still care about. There isn't one....the movies are terrible and without that nostalgia play they won't get people into theatres.

Post: #110

(11-12-2016 05:48 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  The "Star Wars" franchise is lost, it's gone over to the dark side -- SJWism/identity politics.
(...)
We have so much talent on our side, we need to start writing/producing our own red pill infused stories/short films and features to counter the subversive crap coming out of Hollywood.

Yeah, we need a new hope.
A masculine, high energy, red pill space opera or sci-fi franchise.
There should be enough literary material out there, any ideas?

Maybe give Dune another try? The Foundation series? The Hyperion Cantos? The Culture Series?
A Haldeman, Resnick (!) or Heinlein?

Hollywoods's output of quality sci-fi in recent years was underwhelming.
For example, John Carter (Edgar Rice Burroughs, it should be awesome) was a bit of a disappointment, and my big hope for something new and fresh, the Riddick movies, didn't develop into anything substantial.

Post: #111

(11-12-2016 05:48 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  The "Star Wars" franchise is lost, it's gone over to the dark side -- SJWism/identity politics. This film marks the second time in two years, a "strong, independent woman" supported by benevolent minority characters come up against what leftists consider to be the ultimate evil...white males.

It's probably too much to hope for that "Rogue One" will bomb like feminist "Ghostbusters," but I hope it makes significantly less money than the last "Star Wars" film did. The only way Hollywood will stop churning out this garbage is once it starts affecting their bottom line. I, for one, will not spend my hard-earned money funding this type of "entertainment."

We have so much talent on our side, we need to start writing/producing our own red pill infused stories/short films and features to counter the subversive crap coming out of Hollywood.

We just won an election.

Exposing this movie as a franchise killer before its launch will be child's play.

Post: #112

(11-12-2016 06:41 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  ...A masculine, high energy, red pill space opera or sci-fi franchise.
There should be enough literary material out there, any ideas?

Maybe give Dune another try? The Foundation series? The Hyperion Cantos? A Haldeman, Resnick (!) or Heinlein?

An adaptation of Heinlein's "Sixth Column" would be spectacular. If for no other reason than it would make the SJW shitfest over the adaptation of Card's "Ender's Game" look like a kindergarten birthday party. Most of his later stuff is insufferably blue-pill, but his early short stories and "juveniles" would make for good adaptations.

I was becoming tempted against my better judgment to see "Rogue One". Knowing the producers have this attitude, I'll pass. Just as I will pass on any further Marvel movies and television shows after that anti-Trump video the actors put out a couple weeks back.

ETA: given the crybaby backlash against Trump since the election, you can expect all this SJW propaganda shoehorned into every entertainment product to soon be enhanced with gratuitous swipes at Trump and his supporters/voters, in varying degrees of unsubtlety, as new projects work their way through the production pipelines.

Post: #113

(11-12-2016 06:47 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  We just won an election.
Exposing this movie as a franchise killer before its launch will be child's play.

Agreed. Remember how Jimmy Kimmel tried to white knight for the last movie, all to protect it from the ROK article that went viral. They were so frightened that the feminist narrative would be exposed - and that was before the Trumpening.

They have a lot riding on this film.

Post: #114

(11-12-2016 06:47 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  ...

We just won an election.

Exposing this movie as a franchise killer before its launch will be child's play.

At this point I don't even think we need to be subtle anymore.

Just alter all the advertising to read "vagina and token fight Hitler".

And I mean literally. Take the movie posters and sub in a literal vagina, Token from south park, and Hitler over the relevant characters.

Post: #115

(11-12-2016 06:41 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 05:48 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  The "Star Wars" franchise is lost, it's gone over to the dark side -- SJWism/identity politics.
(...)
We have so much talent on our side, we need to start writing/producing our own red pill infused stories/short films and features to counter the subversive crap coming out of Hollywood.

Yeah, we need a new hope.
A masculine, high energy, red pill space opera or sci-fi franchise.
There should be enough literary material out there, any ideas?

Maybe give Dune another try? The Foundation series? The Hyperion Cantos? The Culture Series?
A Haldeman, Resnick (!) or Heinlein?

Hollywoods's output of quality sci-fi in recent years was underwhelming.
For example, John Carter (Edgar Rice Burroughs, it should be awesome) was a bit of a disappointment, and my big hope for something new and fresh, the Riddick movies, didn't develop into anything substantial.

(11-12-2016 07:19 PM)Alsos Wrote:  

(11-12-2016 06:41 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  ...A masculine, high energy, red pill space opera or sci-fi franchise.
There should be enough literary material out there, any ideas?

Maybe give Dune another try? The Foundation series? The Hyperion Cantos? A Haldeman, Resnick (!) or Heinlein?

An adaptation of Heinlein's "Sixth Column" would be spectacular. If for no other reason than it would make the SJW shitfest over the adaptation of Card's "Ender's Game" look like a kindergarten birthday party. Most of his later stuff is insufferably blue-pill, but his early short stories and "juveniles" would make for good adaptations.

I was becoming tempted against my better judgment to see "Rogue One". Knowing the producers have this attitude, I'll pass. Just as I will pass on any further Marvel movies and television shows after that anti-Trump video the actors put out a couple weeks back.

ETA: given the crybaby backlash against Trump since the election, you can expect all this SJW propaganda shoehorned into every entertainment product to soon be enhanced with gratuitous swipes at Trump and his supporters/voters, in varying degrees of unsubtlety, as new projects work their way through the production pipelines.

I wouldn't adapt anything, as it's much simpler to just write new material for the screen. Anything decent is probably already optioned.

We have loads of talent on our side, and no shortage of ideas. What's missing, frankly, is the huge pile of money needed to get projects off the ground.

Post: #116

I won't be seeing it, just like I didn't see the last one.

Post: #117

Quote:We have loads of talent on our side, and no shortage of ideas. What's missing, frankly, is the huge pile of money needed to get projects off the ground.

I could be wrong on this, but I'd have to imagine there would be a number of wealthy, conservative men who would (or at least should) be interested in funding such projects. Unfortunately, I don't have the extra cash. I would love to work with some other red pill guys on writing/producing content, however.

This could be a great opportunity for us. I mean, how long has Hollywood used the medium of film to spread their degenerate bullshit far and wide? I think the time is right for us to start getting involved in this type of thing, to counteract the SJWism in modern films with our own neomasculine-inspired material. The fact our President is Donald J. Trump would suggest there is certainly a market for things politically incorrect.

We wouldn't have to start with feature-length films; well-written and easily distributed "digital shorts" might be the way to go, initially. Plus, their short length would certainly keep costs down.

Post: #118

Forest Whitaker is in it. Thus, a black person with a fucked up eye will be a central character. That covers two marginalized groups.

Aloha!

Post: #119

Far as I'm concerned, Kyle Katarn was the central figure in obtaining the Death Star layout & getting it to the Rebel Alliance.
No idea who this chick & her diversity compliant set of orbiters are. And more importantly, don't care.

The way the mainstream strategy seems to be going with their lazy rewrites of established canon, won't be long before we get Sicaria. In this version, the rookie agent is now a snivelling beta male who gets his ass schooled by tough Delta Force women & a high level female assassin running covert missions in Mexico.

Post: #120

(11-12-2016 06:41 PM)Belgrano Wrote:  The Hyperion Cantos?

I heard about this awhile back, there's a miniseries in the works for the SyFy channel. SyFy's original movies are hilariously awful, but every now and then their miniseries come out all right. I just hope they don't butcher it, otherwise it will be a longtime before the IP gets used again for something substantial.

Post: #121

(11-12-2016 10:20 PM)Kona Wrote:  Forest Whitaker is in it. Thus, a black person with a fucked up eye will be a central character. That covers two marginalized groups.

Aloha!

That cracked me up lol.
Apparently Forest has ptosis (a drooping upper eyelid). In this movie he could be a positive role model for everyone who has ptosis. Another box is ticked.

Post: #122

(11-12-2016 10:05 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

Quote:We have loads of talent on our side, and no shortage of ideas. What's missing, frankly, is the huge pile of money needed to get projects off the ground.

I could be wrong on this, but I'd have to imagine there would be a number of wealthy, conservative men who would (or at least should) be interested in funding such projects. Unfortunately, I don't have the extra cash. I would love to work with some other red pill guys on writing/producing content, however.

This could be a great opportunity for us. I mean, how long has Hollywood used the medium of film to spread their degenerate bullshit far and wide? I think the time is right for us to start getting involved in this type of thing, to counteract the SJWism in modern films with our own neomasculine-inspired material. The fact our President is Donald J. Trump would suggest there is certainly a market for things politically incorrect.

We wouldn't have to start with feature-length films; well-written and easily distributed "digital shorts" might be the way to go, initially. Plus, their short length would certainly keep costs down.

(short version of my CAPTCHA-eaten post)

Right. And the key would be to find a way to sidestep/disintermediate the Hollywood machine whose guild rules, contracts, and other scummy business practices lock out talent and innovation.

Which I would love to see. It would take someone motivated and wealthy enough to pony up the cash to be the first mover. Sort of like Elon Musk did with the rocket launch industry. And it would also require talent and crew willing to sacrifice ever finding work in the Hollywood machine in the future - which given the number of waiter-actors and frustrated screenwriters and such, might not be a hurdle. Build an alternative un-Hollywood not bound by SAG rules or micromanaged by psychopaths or governed by an arbitrary groupthink that stifles creativity and other points of view in favor of propaganda and "safe" stories.

The point being that they'd have to be prepared to go all the way - the Hollywood machine will block the normal distribution channels for anything produced outside of it, so even sites like Amazon which disintermediate publishing would likely not sell anything from the un-Hollywood side, lest their own original productions (made under the Hollywood machine) suffer for it in retaliation.

A tall order, but I don't think it's impossible. Just need to find the right red-pilled billionaire, who doesn't merely want to produce movies but replace Hollywood itself. And it can't be a losing business proposition in the long run, when you consider how much talent is locked out due to Hollywood favoring those already plugged into the system (through nepotism, inertia, luck, and occasionally actual ability), or how much talent that is plugged in goes to waste because marketing decisions, petty interpersonal issues, nepotism/connections, guild or union rules, or other secondary concerns block them from roles or projects for which they'd be ideal - and how that often translates to needlessly underwhelming results on the screen.

Post: #123

Since trump got elected i suspect mass boycots will be under way, his twitter army - 4chan/8chan, facebook and trump allied media can all coordinate(without the man himself) to take down movies like this and the companies that finance them.


There should probably be a list of companies and upcoming projects for boycott. I was encouraged by the grubhub effect, lets start with ROGUE ONE and FUCKING CRUSH IT.

Lets make this film an example.

Post: #124

(11-13-2016 01:42 AM)8ball Wrote:  ...There should probably be a list of companies and upcoming projects for boycott...

There already is one for SF/F: it's called io9.com.

Anything they hate they either slag on or ignore. Anything they love they squee* over. The latter is your list.

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* - I won't deny it, I vomited a little after writing that.

Post: #125

(11-12-2016 08:37 PM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  I won't be seeing it, just like I didn't see the last one.

Yup. Can't wait to not see it.