^ Cheers, H1N1.

(07-03-2016 03:15 AM)Praetor Lupus Wrote:  

(07-03-2016 02:44 AM)N°6 Wrote:  This still makes me laugh.

It's the most good he's ever done in his career.

Maybe we should call for four more years, eh?

He has been great for the gun industry too. Thanks Obama!

(07-02-2016 10:17 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(07-02-2016 06:49 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Female reported attacked by fascists/anarchists

This is why if it comes down to it, I would never fight for Britain but for myself and those like me long enough to get out.

Look at the smug look on the face of the useless liaison officer (woman) as the reporter explains whats going on. She is the type of enabler who allows things like Rotherham to go on with the excuse "oh but if only the white girls didn't lead the men on."

The aggression of the fascists here. The police do nothing and let them go without questioning. I guarantee you these guys have been to every violent incident involving large crowds and other anti-conservative movement. Their bags are full of items you could call a guerillas front line kit.

HA. This video is your reason NOT to stay and fight? All I see are a bunch of pantywaist coppers and some overindulged university cowards wearing masks.

One boxing club could clear that whole park. Get the soccer hooligans involved and it would be a massacre.

Where are you planning on going anyway? It's like this almost everywhere in the West, and being a foreigner elsewhere during global unrest is going to be no picnic.

Nope. It is a symptom of a disease in this country and one which needs a cure.

You read one part of my post and hung onto it: "Ill never fight for it". Metropolitan police are experienced in dealing with these fascists and they allow them free reign to gather in numbers, covered in masks and with hate signs all over the place.

You can google image search right now and see these types of people and what they wear. The same damn thing everytime.

Yet if I were to defend myself from them and others like me I am considered a racist, xenophobic white guy and I will almost certainly lose my job, get harassed and become a target.

They are dangerous because they have learned they are immune from danger. Do you think people would act that way if they knew the hammer would come down full-force and lock them away for years without parole?

The police in that situation enabled the aggressors to get away with it and gave them a safe space to conduct their activities.

The big problems start when police do nothing to quel the violent perpetrators. What happened to Trump supporters when the police didn't act to stop the crowd getting pumped up by the agitators in San Jose? The police knew who they were but didn't strike them down because it was a particular crowd they align with and the powers up top said to not touch them.

As long as UK PLc acts in favour of these people and their cheerleaders I will not support the country when it all comes home to roost.

^I'm not looking for some kind of self incrimination in an open forum but I'll say this.

If your defence of your nation stops short of doing anything without first obtaining police permission and protection then you don't have what it takes to face what's coming down the line and you are indeed better off leaving.

Andrea Leadsom is looking VERY impressive. She may be the best candidate of the lot. She has, until now, had relatively little mainstream exposure, so I was only dimly aware of her qualities. However, with the right people behind her, I am certain she would do an excellent job. She is attractive with nice mannerisms, she has bags of charm, and she has navigated the waters of the past few days extremely shrewdly. Her handling of difficult questions has been simultaneously charming and measured, with none of the slipperiness you expect from politicians. Again, with the right people behind her, she could be an extremely effective Prime Minister.

(07-03-2016 10:08 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  Andrea Leadsom is looking VERY impressive. She may be the best candidate of the lot. She has, until now, had relatively little mainstream exposure, so I was only dimly aware of her qualities. However, with the right people behind her, I am certain she would do an excellent job. She is attractive with nice mannerisms, she has bags of charm, and she has navigated the waters of the past few days extremely shrewdly. Her handling of difficult questions has been simultaneously charming and measured, with none of the slipperiness you expect from politicians. Again, with the right people behind her, she could be an extremely effective Prime Minister.

She's also a Leave supporter.

Theresa May said today that Britain needs more than a Brexit PM. That's true, but only once the deal to leave has been done and is irreversible. Right now a Brexit PM is exactly what I want.

(07-03-2016 10:08 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  Andrea Leadsom is looking VERY impressive. She may be the best candidate of the lot. She has, until now, had relatively little mainstream exposure, so I was only dimly aware of her qualities. However, with the right people behind her, I am certain she would do an excellent job. She is attractive with nice mannerisms, she has bags of charm, and she has navigated the waters of the past few days extremely shrewdly. Her handling of difficult questions has been simultaneously charming and measured, with none of the slipperiness you expect from politicians. Again, with the right people behind her, she could be an extremely effective Prime Minister.

She is pretty much everything Hillary Clinton isn't is a good way to sum it up I think.

(07-03-2016 10:08 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  Andrea Leadsom is looking VERY impressive. She may be the best candidate of the lot. She has, until now, had relatively little mainstream exposure, so I was only dimly aware of her qualities. However, with the right people behind her, I am certain she would do an excellent job. She is attractive with nice mannerisms, she has bags of charm, and she has navigated the waters of the past few days extremely shrewdly. Her handling of difficult questions has been simultaneously charming and measured, with none of the slipperiness you expect from politicians. Again, with the right people behind her, she could be an extremely effective Prime Minister.

Had to look her up as I'm unfamiliar with her name as well as UK politics.
Andrea Leadsom interview: Thatcher, God, and why I should be Prime Minister

Quote: Tim Ross, senior political correspondent
2 JULY 2016 • 10:00PM

“I always retreat to cooking the Sunday roast.”

Andrea Leadsom, who could be Britain’s next Prime Minister, is nothing if not practical.

In times of strife – and it’s impossible not to see the current convulsions in British politics as such - she finds comfort in the familiar routines of family life.

“When in doubt, cook a Sunday roast, get the family around you and you’ll feel fine afterwards,” she says.

“If my boys are there, it’s beef and Yorkshire pudding. If it’s me and my daughter and husband, it’s more likely to be chicken - but when she was younger my daughter used to say her favourite vegetable was crackling.”

Family, Mrs Leadsom says, is the most important thing to her. She has three children and clearly life at home is “happy and relaxed”. All this could soon come under strain.

Mrs Leadsom, 53, is rapidly emerging as the main challenger to Theresa May for the leadership of the Conservative Party – and the country.

In her first lengthy interview since entering the race to succeed David Cameron, the Energy Minister describes the central role her Christian faith plays in her politics; discusses her plan for a fast track timetable to take Britain out of Europe as early as next year; and vows she will not pull out of the contest and allow Theresa May to be crowned leader unopposed.

Mrs Leadsom became an MP in 2010 – after a 30 year career in the City - and immediately set out to win support for radically reforming Britain’s relationship with the European Union, co-founding the Fresh Start group of Eurosceptic Tory MPs.

Then, with the announcement of last month’s EU referendum, she played a critical role in leading the Vote Leave campaign, earning plaudits for her calm and positive appearances in televised debates alongside Boris Johnson and the Labour MP Gisela Stuart.

With victory in the referendum behind her, she now believes it must fall to a Leave campaigner to take charge of the government and steer Britain’s course to leave the EU. But does she think that if she had backed Mr Johnson publicly, he would not have pulled out of the contest?

“I did and do back Boris,” she replies. “He’s a really lovely man. I am surprised and sad that he didn’t stand. But in the end I decided to stand myself because I thought we needed more choice for people about who they want to lead this country.”

Mrs Leadsom is “delighted” that so many of her colleagues now seem to be swelling her band of supporters. Her team estimates that more than 50 MPs are now backing her campaign, putting her in second place to Mrs May, who has nearly 100 backers.

Once MPs have whittled down the current five candidates to a final two, the party’s 150,000 members will choose who becomes the next leader and Prime Minister in a postal ballot, with the winner announced on September 9.

But the Home Secretary’s team are calling on her rivals – Liam Fox, Michael Gove, Stephen Crabb and Mrs Leadsom – to be ready to pull out if Mrs May has an overwhelming lead in the ballot of MPs in parliament next week. This would allow a “coronation” of Mrs May as the new PM, allowing the country to move on and providing stability instead of two months of uncertainty involving a ballot of all Tory members, they say.

Mrs Leadsom is having none of it. “I think absolutely the membership deserve a say,” she says. “They need to get behind whoever it is. I don’t think we can simply have a coronation.

"The Prime Minister resigned because he didn’t back leaving, he doesn’t believe in it, so it would be odd to just appoint somebody who also didn’t believe in it. I just don’t think that would be right.”

She believes the final two candidates must include at least one Leave supporter in order to guarantee that the government honours its pledge to voters to pull Britain out of the EU. “If I was prime minister, there would be absolutely zero risk that Brexit wouldn’t happen,” Mrs Leadsom says.

In fact, she is considering how to execute the quickest escape from Brussels, as her team draws up a fast-track timetable which could see Britain exit the EU as early as next Spring.

“That would be the ideal time-frame. I am looking at exactly how that could work right now,” she says. “There is no doubt that for certainty and to get the most of the opportunity that we have, we need to get on with it.”

If she is successful in her campaign, Mrs Leadsom will be the first female PM since Margaret Thatcher, and only the second woman ever to hold the highest office.

“She was real leadership,” Mrs Leadsom says, recalling the powerful impression that Baroness Thatcher made on her, at first as a child watching from afar, and then in the former PM's later years when they met. She had the “ideal” qualities of toughness and “personal warmth”, Mrs Leadsom says. While she is not a “reincarnation” of Baroness Thatcher, she is happy enough to be compared to the Iron Lady.

“As a person, she was always kind and courteous and as a leader she was steely and determined. I think that’s an ideal combination - and I do like to think that’s where I am,” she says.

“I met her a few times. I was always in awe of her and I don’t think people should be in awe of me. I’m just a normal person. For me, family comes first.

“My real passion is social justice, resolving the lack of empowerment, the lack of skills, the fact that young people can’t get on the housing ladder, they feel they can’t have a decent job, they feel they aren’t in control of their lives.

“I have a real passion for giving [children] the best start in life, so going right back to the beginnings and supporting the early years, which is where your emotional capacity is determined that stays with you for the rest of your life.”

With Mrs May enjoying strong support and Mr Gove struggling to win over his colleagues after his alleged “betrayal” of Mr Johnson, there is a growing chance that the final two candidates will both be women.

“It would be great for young women. There is still a sense in our society, a holding back of girls and young women, and I don’t think there should be. To give young women the confidence to think ‘I can do this’ – as Margaret Thatcher did to me – is great.”

As well as family, faith is also central to Mrs Leadsom’s life – and her politics. Here, she differs from Mr Cameron, who once compared his faith to the reception for Magic FM in the Chilterns – “It comes and goes”.

Mrs Leadsom says: “I am a very committed Christian. I think my values and everything I do is driven by that. It’s very important to me. I actually study the Bible in Parliament with a group of colleagues and I do go to church but I am not a regular. There’s the cross party Christians in parliament group and there are various Bible studies groups, which I find incredibly helpful.”

Does she pray often? “I do pray a lot - all the time - mostly for support and doing the right thing. That’s what I really want – to be seen as principled and honourable and not the opposite; to do the right thing.”

And what about her children if she wins? Is she concerned about the inevitable impact of intense media scrutiny on her two sons, aged 20 and 18 and her 12 year-old daughter?

“I am very worried about it,” she says. “It was a very finely balanced decision and we had a long conversation before I decided to put in my nomination papers. But we are all as a family, really patriotic and keen to contribute. We decided we are at a place where we can cope. We will see if that’s true.”

Would she give up if it all became too difficult? “Absolutely not. You can’t just walk away.”

Tory leadership contenders | Andrea Leadsom

DOB:
13 May 1963 (age 53)
Odds: 4/1

EU vote: Leave

Key backers: Penny Mordaunt, Tim Loughton, Tom Pursglove, William Wragg, Chris Heaton-Harris

Ms Leadsom is the ‘real world’ candidate, with prime Thatcherite credentials. It is no surprise that Tory grandees this week spent hours on the phone persuading her to stand. She will bill herself as the person who will deliver brexit because she is passionate about the outcome.

She was the driving force behind the “fresh start” project, set up in 2011, which carried out hundreds of interviews and research projects which rethought Britain’s entire relationship with the EU.

A mother of three, Ms Leadsom has done a lot of work on boosting early years by helping parents to bond with toddlers. Before she became an MP she was a banker who worked closely with the Bank of England, and so can offer certainty and understanding of the financial markets.

(07-03-2016 06:23 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  ^I'm not looking for some kind of self incrimination in an open forum but I'll say this.

If your defence of your nation stops short of doing anything without first obtaining police permission and protection then you don't have what it takes to face what's coming down the line and you are indeed better off leaving.

You're another one who projects what they think onto another person. Nowhere in my post did I even discuss permission or police protection and the fact you even thought that about my post realises you're have no idea what you're talking about.

(07-03-2016 05:28 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

You're another one who projects what they think onto another person. Nowhere in my post did I even discuss permission or police protection and the fact you even thought that about my post realises you're have no idea what you're talking about.

Quote:As long as UK PLc acts in favour of these people and their cheerleaders I will not support the country when it all comes home to roost.

Do you have a history of confusing people? From this rather simple and straight-forward sentence it's pretty clear what you said.

(07-03-2016 12:06 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

(07-03-2016 10:08 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  Andrea Leadsom is looking VERY impressive. She may be the best candidate of the lot. She has, until now, had relatively little mainstream exposure, so I was only dimly aware of her qualities. However, with the right people behind her, I am certain she would do an excellent job. She is attractive with nice mannerisms, she has bags of charm, and she has navigated the waters of the past few days extremely shrewdly. Her handling of difficult questions has been simultaneously charming and measured, with none of the slipperiness you expect from politicians. Again, with the right people behind her, she could be an extremely effective Prime Minister.

Had to look her up as I'm unfamiliar with her name as well as UK politics.
Andrea Leadsom interview: Thatcher, God, and why I should be Prime Minister

Quote: Tim Ross, senior political correspondent
2 JULY 2016 • 10:00PM

“I always retreat to cooking the Sunday roast.”


Tory leadership contenders | Andrea Leadsom

DOB:
13 May 1963 (age 53)
Odds: 4/1

EU vote: Leave

Key backers: Penny Mordaunt, Tim Loughton, Tom Pursglove, William Wragg, Chris Heaton-Harris

The MP I voted for in the last GE backs her, met the guy a few time and I can respect his decision.

BREAKING: Nigel Farage just resigned as UKIP leader!

Why??? Why would a man who has reached the pinnacle of his popularity and power suddenly resign? Why quit a day after achieving your life's dream?

Maybe someone is holding a gun on the heads of him and his extended family... can't imagine anything else causing this...

(07-04-2016 04:25 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  BREAKING: Nigel Farage just resigned as UKIP leader!

Why??? Why would a man who has reached the pinnacle of his popularity and power suddenly resign? Why quit a day after achieving your life's dream?

Maybe someone is holding a gun on the heads of him and his extended family... can't imagine anything else causing this...

I'm not surprised at all.
Very powerful things are going on behind the scenes in the UK and all across Europe.
Remember that Boris Johnson (as one of the main campaigners of the UK leaving the EU) also refused to run as British prime minister just last week, despite being the favorite.

The global elites are infighting, flexing their muscles, and repositioning themselves as the struggle to reorganize power continues.

More heads will roll in the UK and across Europe before the month is over.


But while we are distracted watching what the politicians and elites do, they are quietly reorganizing their finances, properties and investments to profit from the changes they are about to bring into place.

Farage's political goal always been to get Britain out of EU. That has been accomplished now. I guess he's a bit tired and thinks it's time to spend more time with his family.

Negotiations on how Britain could exit EU is on Tory party's leadership shoulder. And to be honest Farage cannot be anything more than a pressure group on them. I guess he has the ability to perform this position without leadership label.

Also I personally think it's good for UKIP as a party. Many people believe this party is a "one man band". Now it's a good opportunity for UKIP to learn to function as a party without Farage. It's a challenge obviously.

(07-04-2016 04:38 AM)IronShark Wrote:  Farage's political goal always been to get Britain out of EU. That has been accomplished now.

Except that it hasn't been accomplished. We are still in and we haven't hit the eject button yet. The most likely victor in the contest for prime minister has said she won't press the eject button until next year. I get very suspicious about people who procrastinate. Often when people procrastinate it's because they don't actually want to do the job and are looking for a way out of it.

(07-04-2016 04:25 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  BREAKING: Nigel Farage just resigned as UKIP leader!

Why??? Why would a man who has reached the pinnacle of his popularity and power suddenly resign? Why quit a day after achieving your life's dream?

Maybe someone is holding a gun on the heads of him and his extended family... can't imagine anything else causing this...

This is a bit of a downer to be honest. Farage was about the only one who you could trust to say what he actually thought. They should give him a peerage - he deserves it more than any other politician I can think of at the moment. Assuming they actually go through with leaving the EU, he will have achieved a lot more for the country than the last 4 prime ministers at least.

This is devastating news.
And something isn't right.

Watch this interview from the 6 minute mark onward:




He knows full well it isn't over yet.

And listen what he answers after 7:34min.

He's basically saying (1 week ago), that he wouldn't leave UKIP because it would mean he'd fail the UKIP-voters.

Fucking hell.

Farage having lunch with Rupert Murdoch and Liam Fox day before resigning:


   

Interesting if there was a connection.

(07-03-2016 02:44 AM)N°6 Wrote:  This still makes me laugh.

If you want to fail at something, just ask Obama to endorse you!

(07-03-2016 10:08 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  Andrea Leadsom is looking VERY impressive. She may be the best candidate of the lot. She has, until now, had relatively little mainstream exposure, so I was only dimly aware of her qualities. However, with the right people behind her, I am certain she would do an excellent job. She is attractive with nice mannerisms, she has bags of charm, and she has navigated the waters of the past few days extremely shrewdly. Her handling of difficult questions has been simultaneously charming and measured, with none of the slipperiness you expect from politicians. Again, with the right people behind her, she could be an extremely effective Prime Minister.

First time I saw/heard of her was on the nationally televised 'Great debate' just before the referendum - very impressed.

Goddmanit, Brexit won't be happening and here's how it will go:

- The EU politicians keep saying, like they already did since right after Brexit, that "we have to be democratic and go through with Brexit, even though we don't like it"
- all the while behind the scenes, every pro-Brexit-politician with the potential to actually make it go through will be threatened to resign or backpedal on what he said.
- Then the next PM will not invoke Article 50, either outright saying he won't do it even before becoming PM (if it was a Remainer) or by delaying the move further and further until it just becomes forgotten (if he was a Brexiteer).
--> The EU can then say "well, we wanted to go along with the decision but if Britain doesn't have the will to actually pull it through, it's not our fault they're staying". This way, Britain will have been forced to stay in without the dumb masses getting a hint that the EU is a forced undemocratic coalition against their will.


These are the same powers that Trump is up against by the way. Which is why I'll be surprised if much will actually change IF he even enters the WH. He has family, therefore he's susceptible to blackmail.

I used to be pessimistic like that before Trump and Brexit but the last half a year made me question my pessimism and I though maybe I'm seeing ghosts, maybe the whole world isn't as fucked up and controlled like my paranoid mind makes it out to be. Well, I'm back to paranoia mode for good now. Fuck this shit. I'll pack my shit and leave as soon as possible. Not staying for the coming EU-Army to patrol the streets. The EU will have borders at some point. But not the kind we wish for. They'll be in place to prevent flight, not immigration. And the sheeple will cry and ask "why WOULD you even WANT to leave? We have a socialist paradise here, just stay, who cares they force you to - it's for your own good." It's like a dystopian horror novel.

I want off this ride.

I've said it before. I'll say it again. The victory of Brexit was not in securing the exit itself. It was in learning that anti-EU sentiment makes up the majority of the population, and a massive majority if you're counting the people who actually matter. Middle class UK citizens must have turned out in record numbers to offset the jihadists, the millenials, the bloated public service and every other EU trougher that would have voted to stay.

And now other nations are clamouring to get out too.

This is not World War One. It's not World War Two. Getting the jitters because the apple cart has been rocked is silly. So you're not going to get a smooth democratic transition. Shift to plan B.

Actually, the majority was for remain. We were just lucky so many millenials were too fucking lazy and stupid to go to the polls so tough luck on them for not using their democratic rights. Had these dumbfucks gone and voted, it would've been a definite remain result. I'm happy it turned out the way it did, but it was only the majority of those who actually voted that wanted to leave. And not even by a big margin to be honest. Plus it doesn't do anything if Britain stays in regardless, which I'm certain of now that Farage has stepped down, which didn't happen just like that. Article 50 will not be invoked. And if there ever was going to be another referendum, the libshits will have learned their lesson. They'll come out in doves and prohibit any further chance of independence.
I'll wait for Le Pen next year before I resign completely but if that doesn't go as needed we're headed right down destruction lane. I certainly won't get my hopes up anymore. The population is too stupid, the elites are too powerful and I'm too jaded. Fuck this gay earth.

I really wanted Nigel to become UK prime minister but I guess that's that. His legacy is sealed in glory.