(06-25-2016 06:09 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  The cucks from within UKIP are already rearing their nasty heads and attacking Nigel Farage. This virtue signalling epidemic has to be torn out at the roots. The developing politics have to be watched closely, and Douglas Carswell should be forced to step down. This is attack is unforgivable by Brexit supporters, especially at this juncture, and should be seriously considered to be subversion. Most of all, this man cannot be trusted to represent the interests of UKIP's base.

The attack is incredibly suspicious.

Nigel Farage accused of 'morally wrong' Brexit campaign by Ukip MP Douglas Carswell

Douglas Carswell defected from the Tories to run for UKIP before the last election; when UKIP's raison d'etre is gone, the party is basically gone, I'd say he's looking to stay on the political gravy train and virtue signal to get back into the Tories. Hence that sickening display.

(06-25-2016 07:54 AM)eye Wrote:  First of all, I'm a Belgian.

Apologies to any other Belgian forum members, but:

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/express...iannangeli

Lol.

(06-25-2016 10:48 AM)Libertas Wrote:  http://www.express.co.uk/comment/express...iannangeli

Lol.

“Britain has always been there for Europe. You made huge sacrifices to save us from Nazi dictatorship.

“The British have a very strong sense of freedom and Brussels has messed with that. That’s the biggest lesson that will come out of a Brexit.”

So it could be that once again the British save Europe from totalitarianism. I was wondering whether they still had that sense of freedom - it seems that a wafer thin majority still do, but 48% are willing to surrender their freedom either for the sake of virtue signalling or for monetary gain.

What the hell happened to the Scots? I always thought they were down to earth, no-nonsense people. But now most of them seem to be firmly in the grip of magical thinking. All day I've been hearing that rancid old cow Sturgeon calling for a second independence referendum and how she's going to begin negotiations with the EU so they can stay in even if England leaves. But the cognitive dissonance is just killing me. How much 'independence' do they think they will have as a country of 5 million people in the EU, with 27 other countries and a total population of over 700 million? Plus, with the depressed price of oil and the loss of subsidies from England if they leave the UK, and possibly heading into a global recession/depression their finances are going to be in the toilet. The whole thing just beggars belief.

   

I havent been to Scotland for 16 years, but I have a hard time understanding what happened. The oil guys my dad worked with in Aberdeen, the busted dudes in Glasgow with pretty little lasses, and the family reunion I went to in the hills around Crieff.

All the people, good nature and take no bullshit people.

Has it really changed this much. I can't see any of these guys voting to stay, unless it meant sticking it to the English.

Quote:didn't know what (((this))) is until tonight.

It means you are identifying a Jew.

2Wycked you missed the thread about it:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-56237.html

Hitlers reaction to Brexit

Quote:The oil guys my dad worked with in Aberdeen

It seems unlikely Scotland would leave with the current price of oil. So the talk of the First Minister is posturing for the time being.

(06-25-2016 11:58 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Quote:The oil guys my dad worked with in Aberdeen

It seems unlikely Scotland would leave with the current price of oil. So the talk of the First Minister is posturing for the time being.

Also no free movement into the UK.

(06-25-2016 08:06 AM)Malone Wrote:  Assisted by their useful idiots, the millenials. Who despite what Gary V says, are by and large a wasted generation.

Millennials still help building GaryVee his multi million dollar business. And yours? It may also depend on which countries' millennials are we talking about. I honestly have no idea if the millennial bashing thing is a global or regional thing for you. Yes, I know the very young women she is talking about are technically gen Z, the generation coming after millennials.

(06-25-2016 08:06 AM)Malone Wrote:  But a great victory was had in spite of the globalist agenda. Now let's see if we can keep it.

Who are these globalists, really? We are interested in this with @hydrogonian. @hydrogonian, I've read through the last 20 pages of this thread, the term globalists came up a few times, that's why I'm asking.

I'm asking about names of private persons (not corporate entities) with their respective net worth (estimates are OK, if they control their assets through a corporation that's OK, but I'm interested in the names of the ultimate beneficiary private persons).

Occam's razor says if you can explain a phenomenon with the simplicity, or ignorance of the average people, you don't have to make up mental constructs like NWO, wold government, shit like that. Yes, I know you said globalists, globalist agenda, which may be different in your dictionary than the New World Order, world government, sorry if I wrongly connected the two issues mentally. Just trying to bring this to its logical conclusion.

(06-25-2016 08:49 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 07:54 AM)eye Wrote:  Or how about this gentleman?



Is he a globalist for you (whatever that means), or a cool self made business person you also enjoy flying on his airline, enjoying his interviews in media, and think he could be a cool drinking buddy? (We, many here don't drink.)

Few here will have any idea who that is. Furthermore, if he isn't politically relevant you should probably not try to explain. Though, you seem to be trying to sell a "globalist"(whatever that means...yeah, who knows really? amirite?) as a "cool guy".

It's a weird tactic. You're now starting to remind me the weird European villains from the Austin Powers movies. Not because you are a villain, but because you say strange things but don't perceive the social incongruity due to some type of European social weirdness.

The villain on the photo is Michael O'Leary, CEO of Ryanair. Whatever his position is on issues, he is a polarizing, strong personality, many, including me find him very entertaineing. He is a thing (businessman and media personality) is Europe and as you can see, he supports the Remain campaign.

(06-25-2016 08:49 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 07:54 AM)eye Wrote:  Finally, here is something interesting for you: A bittersweet #Brexit celebration
Indian-Portuguese couple (seems they have, they shouldn't have much to do with the UK, right?) arguing the Brits just make it harder with their involvement for EU citizens to live with their non-EU spouses in the EU.

C'mon bro... I was enjoying this before you went down the "look at the suffering people" empathy non-reasoning path. You won't find much sympathy for that perspective here. In short, perhaps it will encourage Brits to breed with more Brits in the future.

They celebrate Brexit with you, though for different reasons. The world is round. Well, as for Brits would breed with more Brits... I guess if we polled the British males on this forum, much of them'd rather breed with Eastern European women. And who would breed with British women? I don't know.

(06-25-2016 10:03 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Quote: Ken Wilbur is an old, subversive faggot with an outdated, idiosyncratc new age model on the back of which he managed to sell books to a very small contingent of pot smokers mostly over 15 years ago.

His model, while creative, is a product of his imagination and politics. Nothing he says validates or invalidates what normal people would hold to be truth.

Anyone who falls for his "truth" has no historical context for his subjects of myth, religion, and legitimate ancient cosmology. They're simply either uneducated, weak minded, smoke too much weed, or all three.

Actually I think he has some interesting things to say... We have a thread about him. You should comment about him there.

Indeed. Though I can agree with your notion that somehow, somewhere he went wrong. I mean, he is still best friends with ex-rabbi and famous child molester Marc Gafni? Weird stuff! Though, Ken Wilber himself is still an interesting read in his own right.

(06-25-2016 10:45 AM)Last Parade Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 07:54 AM)eye Wrote:  First of all, I'm a Belgian.

Apologies to any other Belgian forum members, but:

Fine. I'm only Belgian for the purpose of this discussion.

I followed this closely. I have a thought that may echo others' so apologies if this has been posted already.

My thought is regarding the media. When the people don't have a voice, the the left wing (democrats in the USA and maybe labour in the UK) media controls it. The masses, especially the uneducated are controlled by the sheer spectacle of the media. It's been that way for centuries. However, where this all falls flat is when the people speak up.

Now, if it was Trump that some right wing politician that tried to push an agenda or legislation, the media could rip every inch of the specifics and throw dirt on them. In this, case I think that's what happened. A lot of left wing media and press dirt swinging for the stay vote.

Fast forward to Thursday, the tables have turned. Now, I'm not saying this means that Trump gets some kind of boost or even that other EU countries are next to exit. What I'm saying is that the media's positioning has now changed at least in the short term. They were forced to change position because of the peoples' vote. They can discredit a politician but not the citizens who voted.

I noticed how the leftist media has quickly accepted it rather than draping the public with the thin veneer of denial they created. That's because they can't. They are forced into a corner however short term it may be. They blasted Niger Farrage and the UKIP until Thursday but that leverage is now gone.

It's really a sweet thing to see them trying to inch themselves out of the corner but being thrown back their by a mere argument that it was the people who decided. What this has done is transferred the challenge over to the Hillary campaign which will have the same issue to get over. Brexit has dragged the democratic party into that corner and brought the people's voice as paramount as well as front and center in the US whether it's heard yet in November or not. I think this will help a lot of independents make up their minds. Even if that's 5%, it will help Trump, even marginally.

(06-25-2016 12:39 PM)eye Wrote:  Well, as for Brits would breed with more Brits... I guess if we polled the British males on this forum, much of them'd rather breed with Eastern European women. And who would breed with British women? I don't know.

From that article:

"One young man told me the white women he had sex with made him feel sick. ‘They stink, have rough skin and look like old dogs. No wonder they have to pay for a man' "

Man, that's brutal.

(06-25-2016 01:53 AM)Guriko Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 01:47 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  Whenever I see maps like this, I just think they should chop that gangrenous limb of leftism to the north free.

Trump can build a wall as a sign of friendship.

There already is a wall, in part: it's called Hadrian's wall and was built by the Roman Emperor of the same name in 122 AD to keep the Picts (the barbarians who lived in Scotland 2,000 years ago) out of England, before more effective means of placating them like council estates and ketamine were discovered.

Unfortunately, it's a bit disheveled these days:



Perhaps Trump will shore it up some 30 or so feet as a gesture of goodwill to the UK when he secures the presidency in November?

eye Wrote:Who are these globalists, really? We are interested in this with @hydrogonian. @hydrogonian, I've read through the last 20 pages of this thread, the term globalists came up a few times, that's why I'm asking.

I'm asking about names of private persons (not corporate entities) with their respective net worth (estimates are OK, if they control their assets through a corporation that's OK, but I'm interested in the names of the ultimate beneficiary private persons).

Admittedly, my knowledge concerning globalists is limited compared to most political contributors on the forum. But start with George Soros. Any of the fat cats in Brussels. Funders of SJW agendas and open border policies.

Not sure if ...

Quote:Can I be a real person without being a leftist or rightist, like a centrist or just an observer, analyst, or negotiator without any personal agenda?

False premise. You are saying that a rightist is not a "real person?" And, sweetums, we ALL have personal agendas. That's why we are human. True objectivity is a nostrum sold by the elites.

(06-24-2016 06:54 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  Back in the 90`s when I was a high school student teenagers were not this stupid back then. wtf happened?

Progressivism.

All through the 90s I heard, "Every time the pozzies lose an election...they go back to work and teach your children."

My buddy is telling me they have 1 million signatures and the idea of a 2nd vote probably be raised in parliament.

I'm really hoping it doesn't go that route, it would really cause a divide in Britain. And they would also be busing in minorities to vote after filling their heads with propaganda.

A few thoughts on the Scots. I think I can explain them.

Back when England first voted on whether or not to join the "Common Market" of the new fledging EU, the vote was reversed from what it is today.

The English voted in. The Scots voted to stay out.

Fast forward 40 years.

English vote out. Scots vote to stay in.

Seems to me there is a bit of penis-envy going on with the Scots. They are like the minority of Britain and vote simply to spite their English neighbors.

They remind me of American Blacks. They are always bitching about Whites. Yet most refused offers to go back to Africa even with assistance from the USA (back in the 18th and 19th centuries). It's that love-hate relationship. Most American Blacks would never admit it, but they really appreciate what Whites give them (as shown through their actions).

Likewise, the Scots are the same, always bitching and blaming their problems on the English to the point of irrationality. They are like a wife who publicly claims to hate her husband, is always bad-mouthing him, is a total bitch, but whenever anyone suggests a divorce to her she says she'll do it but never does. She wouldn't know what to do with herself if she left him, she would have nothing else to bitch about.

It's psychological co-dependency. That's the situation American Blacks and Scots are in.

In reality, if the Scots left the UK and joined the EU and get flooded with millions of refugees, watch how fast they will start crying and want to return to the English, whom they've always been publically opposed to. Co-dependents are always hypocrites, claiming to hate that which they actually love and need.

The English had to deal with the mass immigration of the EU, but the Scots remained blissfully ignorant and really had no clue. They simply voted against the English because that's what they've always done.

Looking at the results: http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

We see that Scots voted about 600K more to remain than leave. This means without Scotland, the remain side is down 600K votes from the grand total. This means instead of 52% voting leave, without the Scots the total is over 55% voting leave.

But the Scots aren't the true enemies of the English. They are just there to be a pain in the ass, and they get their satisfaction by being assholes to the English. They don't actually want things to change, which will be evident in the near future even if they decide to leave.

No, the real problem in England is the cancerous Islam that voted to remain, who genuinely want to take over and rape and plunder the Island. These people are 10x more hostile than the silly Scots, who again voted never to join the EU just to protest the English back in the 1960's. The Scots don't give a fuck about the EU, they simply have to claim their identity by "not being English."

So if you're an Englishman, you probably don't need to worry about the Scots, it seems to me they are bitching as usual. Far more dangerous are your brainwashed youths and extremely hostile Muslims in London. Take care of that, and you can return to the Scots being the Scots, the same bunch of rebellious assholes as the Romans discovered them.

Fact is, the Scots could never leave the UK, because no one except the Irish and English can understand them.

(06-25-2016 02:19 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  My buddy is telling me they have 1 million signatures and the idea of a 2nd vote probably be raised in parliament.

I'm really hoping it doesn't go that route, it would really cause a divide in Britain. And they would also be busing in minorities to vote after filling their heads with propaganda.

It's their choice how ugly they want it to get. The 2007–08 Kenyan crisis would be a fair example, but worse -- that was from a disputed result, not the losing side imposing its will regardless.

George Soros is the multi billionaire who finances the muslim "refugees" invasion into Europe,
he plans to bring in at 1 million "refugees" per year into Europe

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/6165...ban-Europe

His NGOs have helped and financed the muslim "refugees" to come to Europe and parasite the social services.

But the more realistic number is few millions "refugees" per year

(06-25-2016 10:45 AM)Last Parade Wrote:  Douglas Carswell defected from the Tories to run for UKIP before the last election; when UKIP's raison d'etre is gone, the party is basically gone, I'd say he's looking to stay on the political gravy train and virtue signal to get back into the Tories. Hence that sickening display.

Douglas Carswell seems to be a full on plant, ready to hand over the political capital of UKIP to the cucked establishment Tories. Brexit voters should be vigilant, and furious:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gove
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Grayling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Hannan

Remember...."They" NEVER give up. Ever. This is the first return shot in what has been a generations-long battle for the very soul of the West. The Evil was surprised and shocked that their decades-long program of welfare, unlimited immigration, thought control, and state subjugation did not lead to an easy Bremain victory.

They will not make that mistake again.

They will do everything known to mankind to invalidate, remove, discredit, and erase the results of this expression of the people's sovereign will. THEY will stop at nothing to ensure this decision is never implemented. Their evil has NO bounds. NONE. Be on your guard, Brexians.

As a movie once said..."The battle for Brexit is over. The battle for the existence of the West is about to begin."

(06-25-2016 01:47 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  Whenever I see maps like this, I just think they should chop that gangrenous limb of leftism to the north free.

(06-25-2016 01:53 AM)Guriko Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 01:47 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  Whenever I see maps like this, I just think they should chop that gangrenous limb of leftism to the north free.

Trump can build a wall as a sign of friendship.

Westeros is based on Britain, there is a wall over there, the people on the North whom voted to remain are technically the White Walkers.

(06-25-2016 03:09 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 03:03 AM)Bushido Wrote:  ...
They want to reverse this decision. They are posting this shit 24/7 all over Facebook and Twitter. What should our response be?

I wonder if they try some shit like that in USA when Trump wins, some shit will go down, the NRA will have the biggest number of members and the numbers of guns sold will rise, if they try to deny Trump the presidency after he wins then we will have a civil war.

(06-25-2016 03:41 AM)AntiMediocrity Wrote:  

(06-25-2016 03:03 AM)Bushido Wrote:  800k signatures for a petition to force a second referendum.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

I really hate petitions. Even ones that I'm in favour of. It's simply a case of a vocal minority being able to control events, and no-one else having any influence whatsoever.

In this case:

17 million people wanted to Leave.
16 million people wanted to Remain.

My numbers could be askew but I'm not willing to visit any pages to confirm my numbers, I only recall 33 million having voted.

But in the case of a petition, that gives the opportunity for 16 million signatures. Petitions tend to need only anywhere between 50,000-1,000,000 signatures depending on the scenario, so they only need a fraction of that. The 17 million other individuals can't do jack shit, as per petition design.

Combine that with the fact that petitions can be done on the internet instead of having to actually leave your house, and any old Tom Dick and Harry can sign it, even if you're not directly impacted by the situation. Those who are impacted and want to "anti-sign" it, cannot of course.

Fuck petitions. When Europe is Islamicised, and the Feminists + LGBT community have their human rights revoked their resulting petition will be burned at the ground under cries of "Allah Akbar".

Lets have a vote until we get the outcome we desire. That is democracy for these people.