(04-11-2018 01:40 PM)kamoz Wrote:  I’ve long considered a thread on this since there is so much misinformation on the subject, much of which I believe is intentional. I may bite the bullet and go through with it based on current events.

Go for it.
A proper Sept 11, 2001 thread is way overdue on the forum.

(04-11-2018 01:58 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 01:40 PM)kamoz Wrote:  I’ve long considered a thread on this since there is so much misinformation on the subject, much of which I believe is intentional. I may bite the bullet and go through with it based on current events.

Go for it.
A proper Sept 11, 2001 thread is way overdue on the forum.

Seriously, we don't have a 9/11 thread? I thought it just went way back in the archive because nobody posted in it recently.

(04-11-2018 01:40 PM)kamoz Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 12:43 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  Can you help me understand this?
So theory is that Mossad under the cover of art projects spied US federal buildings and mined the WTC buildings? Do these pictures show explosives in carton boxes lined on the walls of WTC?
But what about this last link, this weird gibberish? What is the significance of that?

I’ve long considered a thread on this since there is so much misinformation on the subject, much of which I believe is intentional. I may bite the bullet and go through with it based on current events.

As we have seen play out in recent years and as is indirectly verified by 9/11, the deep state command structure is as follows:

1. Deep State
2. Those that directly serve the deep state (top scientists and the best of the best in a given field).
3. Mossad
4. CIA and other nations intelligence agencies
5. FBI NSA and other unaccountable alphabet soup agencies.

As you go down the list the interaction becomes more and more indirect. ISIS for example is largely run and funded by Mossad, with the CIA probably coming in at second with less involvement and knowing less.

Post 9/11 I believe many in the MSM like many Americans in general were very upset by the attacks and wanted to get to the bottom of them. Hence the numerous suspicious involvements of isreaelis making headline news. Afterwards however they either got memory holed or removed. Also the Israelis obviously just got sent back to israel with a slap on the wrist.

As for the implications of what I posted, these are all direct sources. I think most of what is out there is garbage (I.e. Rebecca Roth, no planes theory, Judy wood (sorry Zel), etc.). 9/11 can be easily explained with existing technology. As for the boxes being explosives, probably not - that picture is a scanned image from a limited release print book this art group released. As for what the gibberish means, I have no idea. Just remember that this was published in January of 2001. The post is really just to get people thinking that either did not remember or didn’t know about these coincidences in particular. With the way present events are shaping up, it’s looking clear as day what’s going on.

Are you familiar with the work of ISGP (institute for the study of globalization covert politics)?
https://isgp-studies.com/

Heavy read, but worth it. It has dedicated section for 9/11 and explains authors view on what happened that day. He uses documents and news to present us a story. In short, it was a joint operation between Mossad, Saudis and american deep state. Terrorists were let to hijack and secret services provided all necessary access, training and what not. Saudis financed the thing. The reasons are many and I don't wish to get into them now in length.

https://isgp-studies.com/911-supranation...ts#summary

https://isgp-studies.com/911-supranation...ects#saudi

https://isgp-studies.com/911-supranation...cts#saudi2

https://isgp-studies.com/911-supranation...ects#osama

https://isgp-studies.com/911-supranation...s#pakistan

Edit.

^ Keeps looking like lying warmongerers.

So the official line is no Jabbat AL'Islam (or w.e they're named) is responsible but Russia and Syrian government based on intelligence they have.

Can we see this evidence?

No?

Ok.

When you mistakenly give away your hand ...

(04-11-2018 10:31 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  A refresher from 2006, Assad has aged considerably (no surprise)....Charlie Rose tries to goad him on the JQ and he answers it no fluff and Rose keeps pushing it. So refreshing, and my support just went way up.

@41:55 "What did the Palestinians have to do with The Holohoax to pay the price?"
He's skeptical as hell being trained as a doctor...

This is the monster...

Just saw this ...

Man, there are some people you look at their eyes, and you think, they have a million skeletons in their closet. Saddam was like that.

But Assad just appears and sounds so rational and normal. I'm sure he has skeletons in his closet (like all politicians), but how can someone watch what he says throughout the years and conclude he would gas women/children on verge of victory just for the sake of it...I've seen people hamster it as: "He's a sociopath, that's why he does it.". But even Sociopaths are cold, calculated people who do things in a very measured way, not something that has almost zero gain for them, and all to lose.


This is a great find. Reminded me of that Iran's Shah interview from 1976 that nomadbrah posted a few months ago.

Has the storm passed, or is this just the calm before?

A few hours research more today and I'm none the wiser. So much conflicting information. So much partisanship. But sometimes that is where the useful info is - on the other side. Very few seem to know just what the hell is really going on here.

Some news:

LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Theresa May has ordered British submarines to move within missile range of Syria in readiness for strikes against the Syrian military that could begin as early as Thursday night, the Daily Telegraph newspaper said.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideas...KKBN1HI34U

Meanwhile, yesterday Russia moved out a dozen of its warships from the port of Tartus (their 'warm water port' and a major geopolitical asset to them). They left a Kilo-class sub there though.

Incoming?

They said it was a 'naval exercise'.


As for the issue of chemical weapons? Well, you may or may not know of bellingcat. Well respected military analysis site to some, propaganda out let to others:

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/201...pril-2018/

On April 7th 2018 reports began emerging of alleged chemical attacks on the city of Douma, in the rebel held pocket of Eastern Ghouta, Syria. Reports indicated that a significant number of people, including children, had been killed by these attacks. This report will assess and verify the open source information regarding these attacks, and draw conclusions from the available evidence.

Summary

A large compressed gas cylinder of a type used in previous aerial chlorine attacks was filmed on top of the building where a large number of fatalities were documented.

The number of dead bodies that can be established through open source data is 34+.

Aircraft spotters reported two Mi-8 Hip helicopters heading southwest from Dumayr Airbase, in the direction of Douma, 30 minutes before the chemical attack in Douma, and two Hip helicopters were observed above Douma shortly before the attack.

The Syrian Government has previously been identified as using Mi-8 Hip helicopters to drop chlorine cylinders on opposition held areas.


Conclusion

Based on the available evidence, it is highly likely the 34+ victims killed in the 1930 attack on the apartment building near al-Shuhada Square were killed as a result of a gas cylinder filled with what is most likely chlorine gas being dropped from a Hip helicopter originating from Dumayr Airbase.


You may find it interesting. Lots of people taking it very seriously. People who are prepared to go to war over such things.

Chlorine gas cylinders called in to question:
https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/stat...96/photo/1


Lots of Anti-Russian sentiment from certain quarters (UK). Lots of Anti-Trump sentiment too.

I tend to think this will blow over. Or that Russia will acquiesce as much as it is allowed to save face. Failing that, we might have a real shit-show on our hands in the next days. Still not the new World War I was predicting. But may be a precursor to it.

The Syrians have their viewpoint. But who listens to them?

The Americans have their viewpoint and seem to still want to police the world.

The Russians have their viewpoint. Whether you believe that is 'bullying' those around them, or just being a 'weakened state' and trying to hold on to power.

The British have their viewpoint. It's a pretty strong one. We seem to think we can police the world as well.

The French? Well, they're sticking their oar in to the swamp as well.

And all the while, Saudi Arabia and China look on from the sidelines, not so much laughing, but hoping for the right outcome for them.

You might like to have a look at this twitter thing too (sorry, don't know how to embed):

It shows Easter in Syria -

https://twitter.com/ilarieyes/status/982...88/photo/1

I've a feeling all that kind of thing might be a distant memory past if this meddling goes on much longer.

More and more I don't see bad guys here (and that is why I am still prepared to stand by Trump and give him a pass for now). I just see a fight that has got well out of hand, even though it had clear objectives to start with. And I see people who maybe thought they could bluff their way out of a major 'row', now realising they may have to make a stand, not only to save face, but perhaps for political survival.

Assad is no saint. Neither is Putin. We can debate until the cows come home about how they are doing all this for 'survival' or 'expansion' and how they may have no choice, or they are just being bullies, respectively.

I don't think The Don is a bad guy. I think he's just up against it. Sharia May and now Tony 'warmonger' Blair coming out of the woodwork are just evil despicable people (I say this neither being Labour or Tory). Same as the House of Saud - don't trust them fuckers either. Russia, Iran, Syria?

The whole shadow play is unfolding before us, and maybe even the main players can not see the whole picture yet.

We certainly don't. This can't go on much longer until someone's hand is forced or exposed for all the world to see. Wait and see! It won't be long now.

There will be a few "I told you so's" from whatever side, maybe even both. Hopefully we can still shitpost on the internet about it and be entertained by our bread and circuses. Life will roll along. Hopefully. Well, for most of us anyway. Not the poor fuckers getting gassed and the others getting blown to smithereens in retaliation, of course.

As always, my views are just for entertainment.

I've a feeling though in the next few days most of us aren't going to need any deep explanations or expositions.

I hope I'm wrong.

We'll see.

(04-11-2018 06:55 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 10:31 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  A refresher from 2006, Assad has aged considerably (no surprise)....Charlie Rose tries to goad him on the JQ and he answers it no fluff and Rose keeps pushing it. So refreshing, and my support just went way up.

@41:55 "What did the Palestinians have to do with The Holohoax to pay the price?"
He's skeptical as hell being trained as a doctor...

This is the monster...

Just saw this ...

Man, there are some people you look at their eyes, and you think, they have a million skeletons in their closet. Saddam was like that.

But Assad just appears and sounds so rational and normal. I'm sure he has skeletons in his closet (like all politicians), but how can someone watch what he says throughout the years and conclude he would gas women/children on verge of victory just for the sake of it...I've seen people hamster it as: "He's a sociopath, that's why he does it.". But even Sociopaths are cold, calculated people who do things in a very measured way, not something that has almost zero gain for them, and all to lose.


This is a great find. Reminded me of that Iran's Shah interview from 1976 that nomadbrah posted a few months ago.

I agree. It's sort of bizarre how ordinary he is, given his upbringing.

As an aside,

I've a now thankfully distant family member that is a sociopath, now he hasn't murdered anyone, but when you look into his eyes you feel he's staring back into yours and there's nothing there when you look back, like your whole being is just being used by the fact he's scanning, looking at you, looking for an angle as to how he could use you, like your just a vessel...its eerie as hell and its like you can feel the coldness when you look at him or even not looking at them, simply being in the room. Of course he will turn on the charm in public and you'd never know it he was that way, but if you know what to watch out for you WILL occasionally spot other ones out in the wild.

The above paragraph probably sounds soft and effected as hell, but I pegged elements of it when I was younger and didn't want to believe it.

It became exponentially worse when he got into college marxist politics, like his good upbringing was unknowingly to us keeping the worst parts of his personality subdued/tamed so you could still have great funny conversations with him.

Now nothing but hardship with the guy. You feel like your going crazy when your around him, there's something also demonic about it (and I'm irreligious)

Films make out sociopathy to be cool and an asset, but it takes more than it gives in real life and I pray you never have to get a taste of it from a boss or the like.

To get back to the video, its quite clear why they never interview Assad anymore, he's too bright for them and comes across to well to the ordinary person.

Please excuse the niqab:

This whole news-cycle and succession of talking heads and useful idiots being dutifully wheeled out by the compliant media to promote war reminds me so strongly of what it felt like in this country when Tony Blair got us to go along with him on his Iraq 'adventure'.

Then, as now the 'man on the street' didn't give two fucks about any of these far-away desert countries and was strongly anti-war. However, the relentless media barrage did its job and many people's position changed over time. The same will probably happen again. All the Trump-haters are now strangely quiet (whatever happened to the 'anti-war Left'?!) and the pro-Trumpers are just waiting with bated breath to see whether they have been duped yet again over what was always a long-shot.

(04-11-2018 06:23 PM)AManLikePutin Wrote:  When you mistakenly give away your hand ...

Maybe it's a Freudian slip.

These are all bloodthirsty punchable cucks.

Tucker is doing God's work once again.

I was cautiously optimistic about Trump when he was running, yet I did not vote for him. The primary reason I sat the election out was I feared his (real) movement would be co-opted by deep state actors who would want war, conflict, and more big government.

It looks increasingly likely that we are headed towards war. And when the deep state and the political media have made up their minds that war is the desired outcome, it usually happens. It is just a matter of implementing their war plans that they have had for many years for any country that acts independently of the US' desires--Syria would be one such country, but of course there are many others (Libya for example when Gaddafi was in power).

I remain positive about Trump's very real accomplishments as president, but his cabinet is packed full of neo-cons. The only thing that could stop the war is a grassroots campaign across the US that sends a very clear message that we don't want war (it would have to be on the level of the Iraq war protests, and even then it's still no guarantee that it would discourage the trump admin). All these "scandals" affecting the Trump admin will go away as soon as the first bombs start dropping. He will appear more "presidential", and his popularity will go through the roof. I fear that the deep-staters know this, and are using war as kind of a bargaining chip to get Trump to play their game.

I was told there'd be death and WW3 and Russian tanks rolling into Europe! Guys, where's the death and WW3 and Russian tanks rolling into Europe?

(04-12-2018 10:47 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

I was told there'd be death and WW3 and Russian tanks rolling into Europe! Guys, where's the death and WW3 and Russian tanks rolling into Europe?

Praying US does not follow the Assad! Putin! Neo-liberal regime change plan.

To build everything up, then go quiet, then use a delayed strike after a few days when its all started to feel a bit weird and then - just hit out of the blue - actually that would be the more powerful psychological move.

Something will happen. There will be action of some kind.

The Russians have had a treaty guaranteeing the defence of the Syrian government against foreign aggression for decades. that treaty guarantees mutual aid and defence up to and including nuclear strikes on foreign superpower aggressors.

On paper WWIII would be the logical extension of Nato attacks on Russia's most important ally just as much as a Russian invasion of Israel would result in the same thing.

No-one is depending on the US showing restraint or circumspection, no one expects it, they are counting on Putin having the right judgement at the critical time.

(04-12-2018 10:52 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

Even more efficient it is when you have won 5 weeks later and roll into town saying:

"Sooo.... we have gassed your children a few weeks ago, but now we want bygones be bygones. We good?"

"Why did you do it?"

"Good question - you see. We were already winning and the head choppers were withdrawing, so we thought, what better way to show them how we win even better if we kill a bunch of civilians and risk attacks by the US which could crush us at any second. Also we were sure that the head choppers would not use any of the hundreds of chemical gas caches that were spread across the country a long time ago. We knew that those guys were really swell blokes and would never ever stage a false flag. So we thought that it was brazen to just do it on our own while we did not even use nerve gas explicitly against combatants who had tortured and killed our own soldiers. In short - we were colossal stupid dicks."

(04-12-2018 10:47 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

I was told there'd be death and WW3 and Russian tanks rolling into Europe! Guys, where's the death and WW3 and Russian tanks rolling into Europe?

10D chess?? That guy in the White House is a ridiculous childish fool. He makes Kim Jong Un look like a serious statesman.

Disgraceful.

(04-12-2018 10:47 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

I was told there'd be death and WW3 and Russian tanks rolling into Europe! Guys, where's the death and WW3 and Russian tanks rolling into Europe?

Obviously war with Russia isn't happening and the american people don't have the stomach for a regime change. But He still shouldn't have used the word gas killing monster. He could have just said what mattis said "we are still assessing the alleged attack" or something else along those lines.

The "gas killing monster" has just completed the take over of damascus suburbs, which means he can now focus his attention at cleaning up homs coutry side and probably Daraa where a russia/US/Jordan ceasfire still stands.

(04-12-2018 11:48 AM)8ball Wrote:  The "gas killing monster" has just completed the take over of damascus suburbs, which means he can now focus his attention at cleaning up homs coutry side and probably Daraa where a russia/US/Jordan ceasfire still stands.

So we've gone from "Trump will start a world-ending war! The jews are in control and it's all over!" to "Trump called someone a mean name."

It's unpresidential, to be sure. But whatever gets the job done I guess. As long as all sides keep their cool.

But I'm starting to agree with the left on this issue - Trump needs to lay off Twitter. He's starting to sound like a fucking idiot, especially since only 5 years ago he was tweeting like a madman how we should stay the fuck out of Syria...

(04-12-2018 10:52 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

I got a chuckle out of this, but Napoleon may not be the best person to turn to for advice on war with Russia

Ha! CBS reporter goes out in Damascus to interview people about the chemical attack and upcoming US strikes, doesn't get the answers he expects.

Fair play to CBS for actually airing it though ...